Osi, Tuck, JPP. How do you rank them?

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then JPP

Osi, & JPP in that order.

and that's not an insult to JPP.

Would be:
Tuck
Osi
JPP

2011. We expected double digit sacks from him every year and he not failed to produce them but was often hurt and often had his big production against weaker opponents (Cleveland two years ago) or when we were out of the race. After 2011, I can't think of one important game where he performed.

Osi was a good pass rusher and that was it. Tuck was an every down player and got hurt too often. But, in terms of impact, he showed up in both our Super Bowl wins and in the playoffs. So Tuck goes on top, followed by Osi and, way down the list, JPP.

2. OSI
3. TUCK
4. JPP
5. VERNON
6. KIWI

2-5 arguable. Osi, Tuck and JPP each had stretches of dominance. Vernon has been consistently great so far - could wind up to be the best since Osi.

We went through decades without a killer set of bookend DE's - to have such riches for some 15 years now... it's been a blessing. Being able to ROTATE a fresh, dominant THIRD DE?

The NASCAR defense?

It's been wonderful. Worrying it's over.

#1. Tuck a distant second.

Oddly enough, JPP was probably the most talented...

Was a very good 2 way DE and a team leader.

Osi was a great playmaker, created a lot of sack fumbles, but ran upfield too much and was taken advantage of in the running game.

JPP was better than either of them for 1 season, and only 1 season.

Its close between the 3. But I have to go

Tuck
Osi
JPP

Yeah, he had Stra to play off early, but remember early on? He was a fucking lawnmower over there - that game he got like 6 sacks off that Eagle rookie tackle?

Great, great player. Easily forgotten among brighter stars.

I think that's what he needs . He might get it , might not come close who knows

However JPP played the run for us better then Osi although Osi finished sacks better and stripped the QB so many times and even took a few to the house, just game changing plays by Osi. Also owned premier LTs like Walter Jones etc .. JPP had the tree branch arm swatting down passes though that Osi didn't have.

Tuck can def be argued as #1 but all these guys are pretty close. Helps Osi and Tuck that they were 2x SB champs vs JPPs 1 , a great 1 none the less

Tuck
Osi
JPP

Tuck was the best all-around end, the closest to the kind of player Strahan was. Osi was a tremendous pass rusher. Despite what some people say about him, he wasn't bad against the run, but he was much better at rushing the passer. JPP was marvelous in 2011 but fairly ordinary with flashes of great plays here and there afterwards.

In comment 13880765 x meadowlander said:

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Yeah, he had Stra to play off early, but remember early on? He was a fucking lawnmower over there - that game he got like 6 sacks off that Eagle rookie tackle?

He also completely dominated a great LT, Walter Jones, in the 2005 Seattle game. That was a real eye-opener.

and if he didnt start his career playing behind the other 2 he probably would have been yet another Reese drafted player that doesnt see a second contract.

He was absolutely brutal against the run in 2008 coming off his injury though , but seemed to kink that issue out by the 2010 season

Osi #3. Maybe I didn’t give him his due.

Tuck, Osi, and then JPP a distant 3rd. Tuck was an all around stud. Osi was a premier pass rusher. JPP was a good player who had some big momments, but he was never the consistent for that Tuck was nor near the level of Osi as a pas s rusher.

In comment 13880780 2cents said:

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and if he didnt start his career playing behind the other 2 he probably would have been yet another Reese drafted player that doesnt see a second contract.

spot on

In comment 13880778 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 13880765 x meadowlander said: Quote: Yeah, he had Stra to play off early, but remember early on? He was a fucking lawnmower over there - that game he got like 6 sacks off that Eagle rookie tackle? He also completely dominated a great LT, Walter Jones, in the 2005 Seattle game. That was a real eye-opener.

Agreed that it goes Tuck,Osi and JPP. All very close (Jets would kill for any)
Regarding Osi, where would he have played in a 3-4? Does Chubb somewhat remind you of him?

I think the other two had better overall careers here, though.

JPP is the most physically gifted, easily could have been the best, but he's had seasons where he mailed it in and has never reached his potential

Osi was great getting after the QB, but was a terrible run defender who too often was sucked inside and consequently couldn't seal the edge

Tuck is closer to Strahan than he is to JPP or Osi. I think many underappreciate just how good Justin Tuck was. If he could have stayed healthy, I think he would be wearing a gold jacket eventually. He could do it all, play inside, play outside, play the run, get after the passer.

Justin Tuck was the reason the 4 Aces package was so effective. Spags could move him inside on passing downs, and he could still get to the QB.

Osi was a great pass rusher, but he was really bad against the run. JPP, on the other hand, wasn't as good a rusher (although, in his prime, still pretty damn good), but was far better against the run.

His performance in SB 42 often gets overlooked the guy was a monster

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Tuck is closer to Strahan than he is to JPP or Osi. I think many underappreciate just how good Justin Tuck was. If he could have stayed healthy, I think he would be wearing a gold jacket eventually. He could do it all, play inside, play outside, play the run, get after the passer. Justin Tuck was the reason the 4 Aces package was so effective. Spags could move him inside on passing downs, and he could still get to the QB.

That can take you in circles. Without Osi and Tuck on the outside the 4 aces doesn't work either. The reason it was so effective is because you had 4 legit pass rushers. One guy wasn't the reason.

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Alas, he was rarely that player.

of that group.

His best was FAR better.

And he was a better 2 way player than both guys.

In comment 13880927 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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That can take you in circles. Without Osi and Tuck on the outside the 4 aces doesn't work either. The reason it was so effective is because you had 4 legit pass rushers. One guy wasn't the reason.

Tuck gave us the flexibility to move inside and still be effective. Osi and Strahan weren't doing that.

with JPP being a very very distant 3rd

In comment 13880941 KWALL2 said:

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of that group. His best was FAR better. And he was a better 2 way player than both guys.

he was not a way better 2 way player than Tuck. And he wasn't a better pass rusher than Osi. And his best was only seen in limited time periods. He didn't bring it enough as JonC pointed out.

No disrespect to JPP and especially Osi. (Loved Osi.) But Tuck. ‘Nuf said.

get in the Giants Ring of Honor?

Osi
JPP

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In comment 13880927 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: That can take you in circles. Without Osi and Tuck on the outside the 4 aces doesn't work either. The reason it was so effective is because you had 4 legit pass rushers. One guy wasn't the reason. Tuck gave us the flexibility to move inside and still be effective. Osi and Strahan weren't doing that.

And Osi and Tuck made it impossible for teams to counter tuck inside because you had two great rushers outside, either one requiring a double-team.

In comment 13880765 x meadowlander said:

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Yeah, he had Stra to play off early, but remember early on? He was a fucking lawnmower over there - that game he got like 6 sacks off that Eagle rookie tackle? Great, great player. Easily forgotten among brighter stars.

They both played 11 season - Osi had 85 sacks/Tuck 66; Osi had 35 forced fumbles/Tuck20; Osi 5 TDs/Tuck 0; Osi had 18 PDs/Tuck 32; Osi 14 Fumble recoveries/Tuck 6...

Playoff sacks: Osi 5.5/Tuck 5.5

Sorry, but the production signals Osi just made more plays. To say Tuck was "easily" the better player is laughable...

Tuck for effort.
OSI for speed.
JPP at his best had 10x the freaky body control of either of them.

But Tuck will be remembe'red on St Crispin's.

At the Top of His game, Tuck was one of the best players in the game---for a short while.

I love Osi, but he was strictly a pass rusher.

Both Tuck and JPP could move up and down the line with rare versatility, inside and edge...and devastating Pass Rushers.

For a brief moment in time, Tuck was the best in my opinion.

Tuck
Osi
JPP

Strahan better than all of them. :) I miss that guy.

He never left the field and he played his ass off.

The idea of him not playing hard is BS. He hustled.

he was a dominant 2 way player. Vs the run he was outstanding especially vs top OL like Smith and Williams in DAL and WAS.

Tuck- when healthy he was very good at both run and pass, 66.5 sacks, 56 TFL
JPP- He was like the second coming of Tuck, but fell off even before he blew himself up. Still solid, but not near what he was and not as good as Tuck imo.
Osi- a distant 3rd imo. 85 sacks, a mere 18 TFL. Even as a pass rusher I felt he was inconsistent.

Osi,JPP

Tuck, Osi, JPP

In comment 13881264 Banks said:

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Tuck- when healthy he was very good at both run and pass, 66.5 sacks, 56 TFL JPP- He was like the second coming of Tuck, but fell off even before he blew himself up. Still solid, but not near what he was and not as good as Tuck imo. Osi- a distant 3rd imo. 85 sacks, a mere 18 TFL. Even as a pass rusher I felt he was inconsistent.

Chew on this. Osi was a better play maker...

They both played 11 season - Osi had 85 sacks/Tuck 66; Osi had 35 forced fumbles/Tuck20; Osi 5 TDs/Tuck 0; Osi had 18 PDs/Tuck 32; Osi 14 Fumble recoveries/Tuck 6...

Playoff sacks: Osi 5.5/Tuck 5.5

Kareem is it on you??

All day. All day.

Also, Tucks rookie year chasing down LDT and Osi blocking punts like the waterboy both showed us that rookie promise. For JPP is was a preseason game vs the jets where he jumped off sides but lateraled backward and got into his stance before the whistle was even called. Showed his backflips translated into his stance. Showed such flexibility.

Imo JPPs biggest mistake was bulking up even more in 2012

I went to training camp in Albany that year and talked to Tuck and JPP side by side , Tuck looked like a lean sculpted machine compared to JPP, was much much thinner, made JPP look thick. JPP prob should have stayed lighter, imo he carried the extra weight fine and it allowed him to play extra snaps but he lost a lot of his freakish flexibility imo. An underrated attribute in the NFL trenches .

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SB46 - ( New Window )

Osi looking ready to KILL in that Anthem!!

Oddly Aaron Hernandez in the time gap between Tuck and Osi
Skip to 1:08 for Tuck and Osi at 1:15 SB 46 national anthem - ( New Window )

Then Osi, followed by JPP

Tuck had a motor that didn't stop. Was routinely involved in tackles 15-20 yards downfield.

The complete player we all believed JPP would become Osi the pro type rush end that any team would be glad to have today. JPP looked like the second coming of Zeus but he just disappeared to levels that are truly impossible to explain. In the the end it’s Strahan, Tuck, Osi and JPP a distant 4th from those three.

Tuck was an all around player, Osi was a dominant pass rusher who had an elite first step and created turnovers.

I think Osi has the best career tbh, and Tuck was a close 2nd

package. #1 (2nd to Strahan since the 80's)

Osi a phenomenal pass rusher. #2

then,
JPP who could have been better than both, but he wasn't. JPP should have been a game changer, but never developed.

Osi, Tuck, and JPP a distant third.....

JPP's 2011 season was more a product of Tuck, Osi, Bernard, Canty, Kiwi and Joseph....

In comment 13880765 x meadowlander said:

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Yeah, he had Stra to play off early, but remember early on? He was a fucking lawnmower over there - that game he got like 6 sacks off that Eagle rookie tackle? Great, great player. Easily forgotten among brighter stars.

Winston Justice. I’ll never forget it.

Osi, Tuck, JPP.