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What do Gettleman's moves say to you?

That’s Gold, Jerry : 3/22/2018 3:26 pm
Here's what they say to me and, naturally, you are free to disagree.

1) Lack of talent - not necessarily even referring to my pet peeve, the OL, but also to other areas such as LB and running back which were ignored for years. Gettleman has been aggressive in addressing these shortcomings as well as trying to shore them up for the switch to the new D. It also tells me that there were a lot of guys on this roster who never should have been on this roster. I heard someone say on Twitter about how could EF make the move to RT when his footwork was so bad at LT. Frankly, I do not see EF on this team come September but that is just my opinion. Nevertheless, DG's moves say to me he looked at the roster and was not pleased.

2) Bad Contracts - the JPP contract was a horrible signing, was a very, very bad contract and had to be discarded. That Gettleman got as much as he did is a tribute to him. We've probably got two other bad contracts...Vernon and Jackrabbit...but at least these guys are younger and relatively healthy. They have a chance to make amends. JPP did not...he is not going to get better. There are still some contracts that need to go but we might have to wait because the players are injured...Marshall and Harris. I see both as post June 1 cuts.

Lastly, I think this says DG will pay for production. You don't produce, you won't be around. I know some have said his hard line stance pisses some off. Well, so did TC's, initially, and that worked out. So I have no problem with DG's approach.

Have at it...
Says  
PaulN : 3/22/2018 3:27 pm : link
He is trying to improve the talent and improve the cap situation.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/22/2018 3:28 pm : link
poor chemistry, poor asset allocation, poor drafting
He's trying  
Pete in MD : 3/22/2018 3:29 pm : link
to make team better.
..  
BleedBlue : 3/22/2018 3:29 pm : link
improve the talent
wants obj and collins long term
thinks we can be competitive right away.

if it was a total rebuild i dont think we would have given solder huge money and eli would by hook or crook shown the door...

he believes we can win now(as do i)

draft barkley, sured up OL, finally gave us a linebacker worth a damn...

#34 is a huge pick...prob used on OL help.

still think he will sign a FA CB or two
It's good to have GM  
bc4life : 3/22/2018 3:30 pm : link
hire his own HC
I know the Reese bashing  
bc4life : 3/22/2018 3:32 pm : link
is the thing to do, not undeservedly. But, his moves are underscoring his earliest statemens upon taking the job - draft process need revamping.
RE: ...  
huygens20 : 3/22/2018 3:34 pm : link
In comment 13880743 Eric from BBI said:
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poor chemistry, poor asset allocation, poor drafting


Asset allocation— people want to draft Barkley at #2 after paying Stewart.
Paying Stewart is the problem  
JonC : 3/22/2018 3:38 pm : link
not drafting Barkley.
Stewart is a stopgap  
bc4life : 3/22/2018 3:39 pm : link
Won't have anything to do with Barkley. He is a veteran presence, and some of the reps and short yardage.
He's trying to compete right away, with an eye towards future  
Eric on Li : 3/22/2018 3:39 pm : link
and his main area of focus has thus far been on toughening up the fronts on both sides of the ball.
RE: He's trying  
Eman11 : 3/22/2018 3:39 pm : link
In comment 13880746 Pete in MD said:
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to make team better.


Yup.

That and he's pretty good at his job of not letting on in any way what his plan is. Two trades without an inkling of a leak before hand bodes well for how he guards his draft picks.

It sure seems to me no one has any idea who he wants or what he plans on doing.

I like it. Keep everyone guessing and have them think he might take the guy they want. If he doesn't like a QB, that approach will make the #2 even more valuable. As long as he doesn't drop out of the top 5, I'm happy.
RE: ...  
Eric on Li : 3/22/2018 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13880743 Eric from BBI said:
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poor chemistry, poor asset allocation, poor drafting


Didn't we know that when the team won 2 games and the old GM got fired?
RE: RE: ...  
Dr. D : 3/22/2018 3:41 pm : link
In comment 13880770 huygens20 said:
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In comment 13880743 Eric from BBI said:


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poor chemistry, poor asset allocation, poor drafting



Asset allocation— people want to draft Barkley at #2 after paying Stewart.

what does Stewart have to do with Barkley? Stewart is a cheap vet brought in for short yardage, mentoring, depth, etc. Bringing him in has almost nothing to do with whether they draft Barkly.
OOOH... OHHH... I KNOW... I KNOW!!!!  
T-Bone : 3/22/2018 3:43 pm : link
THAT REESE SUCKED!!!!

YES!!! I knew I could get this right! *fist pump*
Get rid of the  
SHO'NUFF : 3/22/2018 3:45 pm : link
malcontents...Eli Apple next?
Working hard  
Thegratefulhead : 3/22/2018 3:48 pm : link
To change culture and talent. Good job so far.
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arcarsenal : 3/22/2018 3:48 pm : link
What I've learned...

1. Fixing the OL ASAP is priority numero uno.
2. There is a focus on bringing in leaders and specific personalities in order to fix the locker room culture
3. There is no loyalty or sentimentality at play
4. That there's still much to be done
5. That no one should make assumptions or trust beat writer info - because it's very clear that Gettleman is not letting accurate info get beyond closed doors.

The team is in complete  
Beer Man : 3/22/2018 3:49 pm : link
Transition mode
Apple  
bc4life : 3/22/2018 3:51 pm : link
malcontent. He's got some issues upstairs don't know if heis malcontent.

Be interesting to see what off seasom time to clear head. Some mentoring New DC, position coach, advice from Meyer - will do to get him back on track.

Might be a better fit in new scheme. It's management & leadership - a lot of what you have to do with employees has to do with their heads, not the physical aspects of the job.

Most concerned about the pissing contest between him and Collins.
That the team needs to be blown up  
jeff57 : 3/22/2018 3:53 pm : link
.
I don't see JJ or OV  
Pep22 : 3/22/2018 3:54 pm : link
as bad contracts...I think JJ will rebound to be the upper tier CB he is and OV is a fine player than was banged up a bit last year.
Still up in the air  
Go Terps : 3/22/2018 3:54 pm : link
I'm hoping he gets even more aggressive in moving guys. The goal should be to eliminate as much of the 2017 roster as possible, and to accumulate draft picks and cap space at every available opportunity.

More likely this is part of a retool in an attempt to make a last run with Eli.
says to me..  
firedbytheboss : 3/22/2018 3:55 pm : link
they're drafting a QB.

You need an OL. Period. For Manning and for whoever they draft. Can't put a kid in there with a shit OL. He felt the best way to solidify the OL for next 3 years was build around a vet LT.

They are dumping salary for a gradual rebuild. Nothing they have done says they hope to win next year. Even Stewart. It's a stop gap.

DG is no dummy. he is getting ready to build the next Giants dynasty. Pick a QB. Let him learn for a year and build for him to take over.
That he's  
ryanmkeane : 3/22/2018 3:56 pm : link
not going to sit around waiting for players to get better, he's going to make sound decisions that put the best players on the field for us
He is a better pinacle player than Reese and one by one he is playing  
wgenesis123 : 3/22/2018 3:58 pm : link
all the trump cards that Reese could not pull the trigger on.
secksy moves?  
LG in NYC : 3/22/2018 3:59 pm : link
I think so
Think both DG and PS are  
TMS : 3/22/2018 3:59 pm : link
together on finding players who want to be out there and love football. Secondly they look for skill sets that fit in with the rest of the our defensive and offensive schemes determined by our talent. Not just measurable athletes with attitude problems and a ME ME attitude. There are a lot of those out there.
Eric on Li  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/22/2018 4:01 pm : link
Moves to me make it clear that it wasn't just rhetoric from Gettleman but he is serious about chemistry. And cutting the cord a year after the $62M contract is a big deal.
Original question  
TMS : 3/22/2018 4:08 pm : link
Shrewd savy talent and team evaluator backed up by Abrams who has the same skills. Love this combination so far. Professional and realistic . Like that nobody knows our business.
Upgrading propetual areas of wekness (oline/LB) is a priority  
UberAlias : 3/22/2018 4:09 pm : link
and that he is willing to use all avenues of opportunity to do so (much more aggressively than the previous).
That and culture needs to purging  
UberAlias : 3/22/2018 4:09 pm : link
.
I think the only thing that's clear  
Keith : 3/22/2018 4:11 pm : link
is taht he's trying to improve the team, but I believe that he's also trying ot change the veteran voices on the squad as well.
they say to me  
UConn4523 : 3/22/2018 4:14 pm : link
that the people who said the Giants hiring DG would just be more of the same were idiots then and idiots now.
Moves say a few things.  
Biteymax22 : 3/22/2018 4:14 pm : link
The JPP trade was obviously important for clearing room next year, so that tells us the Giants are serious about extending Beckham and or Collins.

The free agent signings so far have shown me he puts more emphasis on depth and role players than Reese did.

Free agency also showed he puts a high value on special teams. If you look at Latimer he was signed as a special teams guy with offensive upside, the DBs signed were special teams guys.

None of these moves give me any indication of what we are going to do at #2 in the draft, and after seeing us lose the players we wanted because everyone knew what we were going to do, I'm happy about not knowing.
RE: Still up in the air  
TMS : 3/22/2018 4:16 pm : link
In comment 13880842 Go Terps said:
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I'm hoping he gets even more aggressive in moving guys. The goal should be to eliminate as much of the 2017 roster as possible, and to accumulate draft picks and cap space at every available opportunity.

More likely this is part of a retool in an attempt to make a last run with Eli.
Hope you are right. Teams now do it all the time. Our injuries were off the charts last year. But if they come back this year with this new group of players and coaches. Anything can happen. Go Giants
He is trying to improve the team with you talent  
NYSports1 : 3/22/2018 4:24 pm : link
so the next franchise qb he is taking will have a good cast. He signed Solder to protect Eli this year for his goodbye tour season and help protect the new franchise qb for the next couple of years after that. DG knows this team is brutal and he has to allow Eli to have a walk off season as instructed by Mara who royally screwed up last season and wants to make it up to Eli and the upset fans who cried.
Good post  
Metnut : 3/22/2018 4:28 pm : link
and I agree, he's looked at the tape and seen the same ugly garbage that we've seen. I think he also looked at 2016's tape and must've thought that trying to replicate that defensive performance with the same players/scheme in 2018 wouldn't happen.

The more I think about NYG's situation, the more I hope we trade down. Getting a monster haul of picks, including a 2019 1st, gives us a chance to take one more run with Eli (after an infusion of younger talent), evaluate Webb, and ammo to trade for a QB. The best of both worlds.
RE: He is trying to improve the team with you talent  
TMS : 3/22/2018 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13880940 NYSports1 said:
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so the next franchise qb he is taking will have a good cast. He signed Solder to protect Eli this year for his goodbye tour season and help protect the new franchise qb for the next couple of years after that. DG knows this team is brutal and he has to allow Eli to have a walk off season as instructed by Mara who royally screwed up last season and wants to make it up to Eli and the upset fans who cried.
Could all be true. But hope we make a run . Don't you ?
What do Gettleman's moves say to you?  
Torrag : 3/22/2018 4:51 pm : link
Twofold and quite obvious really.

He's trying to improve the roster and the locker room culture.

So far, so good, imo.
My feelings...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/22/2018 5:01 pm : link
1 - He's taking an unemotional look at the previous roster. While that's helpful in weeding out some players, Gettleman isn't exactly Bill Belicheck yet. He still brought in Mike Shula, Jonathan Stewart, and obviously wanted Andrew Norwell. I'd rather someone who doesn't form emotional attachments at all than someone who forms them just for "his guys".

2 - He's combining his philosophy of roster building with the needs of the schemes of the head coach and defensive coordinator. They're not trying to put square pegs in round holes, especially on defense. They're going out and finding players who fit the scheme.
He doesn't want to watch  
Reb8thVA : 3/22/2018 5:09 pm : link
another year of shitty football either.
We finally have a GM  
bluesince56 : 3/22/2018 5:15 pm : link
who knows what he is doing!
Says to me  
mavric : 3/22/2018 5:25 pm : link
he's restructuring the entire team to fit a new scheme. Players who don't fit the new scheme are going down the road and players are being brought in that do fit. Also, because of limited cap space, he is trying to amass some early draft picks.

My bet: He'll trade out from the #2 overall pick (most likely Denver, but could be Buffalo) and pick up a couple more early round picks this year and probably a first next year and a token 3rd or 4th. Just a hunch
It’s as simple as he’s  
Dave on the UWS : 3/22/2018 5:40 pm : link
doing what he said he would. Improve the roster by ALL means possible. And for those who think he’s “loading up” for one more run with Eli- get over it already. Eli is on the team for this year because of his contract - period. Next year is a different story. And if they draft a QB and he looks ready day 1 , I wouldn’t guarantee that he’s here Sept 1.
He has total faith of  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/22/2018 5:58 pm : link
The owner. This is aggressive (and needed) stuff.
Without turning this into a referendum on Eli...  
hitchchops2 : 3/22/2018 6:30 pm : link
...his not being cut is possibly the strangest thing DG has done (not done) yet. I am not fully aware of all the cap ramifications of such a move, and that might explain it, but to me having a QB on a rookie contract is the quickest way to rebuild. It seems obvious this will be Eli's last year, so I guess we will reap those cap benefits next year, but if we draft a QB and hit 777, we might waste a year of cheap salary keeping Mr. Manning.
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