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Eli Manning is 37, not 30

EddieNYG : 3/22/2018 4:00 pm
I'd be disappointed if we don't come away with Eli's replacement whether it be Darnold, Rosen, Allen or even Mayfield at pick no. 2.

I feel like many fans and media are acting like Eli Manning is 30 years old and we have 5-10 more years with him with all this trade down talk.

If Eli was 30, than I would be on board with trading down to a QB needy team to move up.

But we're a QB needy team. Franchise QBs don't grow on trees. Davis Webb was not drafted by this regime.

I just don't get the trade down talk by fans or the media.
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RE: RE: Curious, how much of Brees $50 million contract  
Big Blue '56 : 3/22/2018 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13880891 Danny Kanell said:
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at age 39 is guaranteed?



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may I second  
bc4life : 3/22/2018 4:12 pm : link
the welcome back
RE: if u don't think  
EddieNYG : 3/22/2018 4:14 pm : link
In comment 13880889 bc4life said:
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the QB is the guy at 2, you pass. #2 is nota need pick if value is not there.


That's how I feel too.

Giants should take a QB at 2 if they love the player.

The only reason the Giants should pass on a QB is if they don't like any of these guys. Not because of Eli Manning and definitely not because we have Webb on the roster.
He could play a long time  
5BowlsSoon : 3/22/2018 4:15 pm : link
If he is handing the ball off to Barkley all day long.
RE: RE: if u don't think  
OBJRoyal : 3/22/2018 4:25 pm : link
In comment 13880915 EddieNYG said:
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In comment 13880889 bc4life said:


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the QB is the guy at 2, you pass. #2 is nota need pick if value is not there.



That's how I feel too.

Giants should take a QB at 2 if they love the player.

The only reason the Giants should pass on a QB is if they don't like any of these guys. Not because of Eli Manning and definitely not because we have Webb on the roster.


Now that makes sense!! Not the same old they have to take a QB!! I trust that DG and Shurmer will know when its the right QB, whether thats at #2, in a different round, or maybe its Webb.

Many ways to rebuild this team....
We all want a QB for the next 15 years...  
TommytheElephant : 3/22/2018 4:27 pm : link
But if that QB is not in this draft, We cant draft a QB at #2
RE: Thanks.  
jvm52106 : 3/22/2018 4:28 pm : link
In comment 13880861 Bill L said:
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I was worried that my gift was going to be age inappropriate but I feel better now.


Ok, I fucking laughed out loud on that one.. Nicely done.
RE: RE: RE: Curious, how much of Brees $50 million contract  
jvm52106 : 3/22/2018 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13880899 Big Blue '56 said:
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at age 39 is guaranteed?



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Good to see you 56..
Wii say Pat Kirwin  
jvm52106 : 3/22/2018 4:30 pm : link
said (about 10 mins ago) that he ahs heard from some folks just how highly teh Giants have viewed Webb's work and how much he has followed in Eli's prep, work and way he conducts himself.

I am starting to believe the Giants are hoping Webb, with a couple of more seasons behind Eli, will be the guy.
I'm glad some of these  
rebel yell : 3/22/2018 4:33 pm : link
mouth breathing posters aren't running this organization. Deep breaths, folks.
RE: Wii say Pat Kirwin  
Big Blue '56 : 3/22/2018 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13880953 jvm52106 said:
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said (about 10 mins ago) that he ahs heard from some folks just how highly teh Giants have viewed Webb's work and how much he has followed in Eli's prep, work and way he conducts himself.

I am starting to believe the Giants are hoping Webb, with a couple of more seasons behind Eli, will be the guy.


Thanks John..I have much confidence in Shurmur and his ability to develop QBs or make them productive. Only HE knows about Webb
Gambling the team on Eli  
mdc1 : 3/22/2018 4:40 pm : link
having it moving forward lacks good judgement. Second point is that it needs to be done regardless if you think he does have a few more years. He should be forced to compete with the new guy if we draft one AND the NEW SYSTEM.

You can't play forever. We should trade Eli for more picks.
RE: Gambling the team on Eli  
mdc1 : 3/22/2018 4:42 pm : link
In comment 13880985 mdc1 said:
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having it moving forward lacks good judgement. Second point is that it needs to be done regardless if you think he does have a few more years. He should be forced to compete with the new guy if we draft one AND the NEW SYSTEM.

You can't play forever. We should trade Eli for more picks.


The new coach and GM will then be able to "OWN IT" and not be use "Eli" as an excuse if something goes sideways. Unfortunately, that moron Reese and owners would not let our team fail fast to rebuild it properly.
37? I thought he was dead, the way people are talking  
SHO'NUFF : 3/22/2018 4:56 pm : link
37, limited wear and tear...he has at minimum 2 decent years left. I've been saying, Eli's replacement is either on the roster already or playing in college as a freshman.
I say he's 38...  
bw in dc : 3/22/2018 4:58 pm : link
He's going to be 38 and about 8 months when the season starts. So I round up.

Picking a QB at 2 is a marriage between franchise and QB.  
wgenesis123 : 3/22/2018 5:00 pm : link
You don't want to get married and think I will learn to love he later that way I won't get caught without one. You keep looking around until you find someone you love enough. Maybe you date someone who isn't your dream girl but don't invest yourself so deeply and she surprises you. You still don't get married until your sure. Picking at 2 is to large of an investment of yourself, it has to be a marriage.
RE: I say he's 38...  
Big Blue '56 : 3/22/2018 5:00 pm : link
In comment 13881033 bw in dc said:
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He's going to be 38 and about 8 months when the season starts. So I round up.



January 3, 1981
RE: RE: I say he's 38...  
bw in dc : 3/22/2018 5:15 pm : link
In comment 13881041 Big Blue '56 said:
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He's going to be 38 and about 8 months when the season starts. So I round up.





January 3, 1981


Thanks - type 37 and 8 months.

Still 38 going on 39 in my book... ;)
Hes like the oldest starting qb in the nfl  
Bill L : 3/22/2018 5:23 pm : link
Thats why were panicking more than those other teams.
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Micko : 3/22/2018 5:27 pm : link
Yes. Brees and Brady got paid and can can still play so therefore Eli should as well. Problem solved.

I do hope Webb is the answer and they have a strong conviction about this. If so, trade the f down. It could be a wild ride.
We have no idea how they view Davis Webb or the QBs in the class...  
GFAN52 : 3/22/2018 5:29 pm : link
and have them graded. If for example they have one like Darnold head and shoulders above the rest, they may feel they don't want to force a pick if Darnold is locked into the 1st pick.
We get it  
Tim in VA : 3/22/2018 5:31 pm : link
You'll be disappointed if they don't draft a QB at #2. At this point it has been discussed ad nauseum so maybe you should research ways to handle your disappointment should it not happen the way you want it. Something.
I agree  
mattyblue : 3/22/2018 5:48 pm : link
with you Eddie, Eli is old getting older fast. Cant understand how you can not take a QB here. Teams are trading the farm to get up and we arent going to take a QB? If so Gettleman is cowardly.
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RomanWH : 3/22/2018 5:55 pm : link
Brett Favre was 41 when he last played in the NFL. Tom Brady will be 41 this August. Peyton played until he was 39. Drew Brees just turned 39. Brunell played until 41. Flutie until 43. Testeverde until 44. Warren Moon retired at 44. George Blanda retired at 48.


Favre Peyton Brady???  
mattyblue : 3/22/2018 6:01 pm : link
You really think Eli has ever been in the same class as them?
Eli's not young anymore  
RomanWH : 3/22/2018 6:03 pm : link
But let's not make him out to be ancient. This isn't like a RB where we're talking about the drop off around the 30 year old mark. He's a pocket passer that other than a boneheaded coaching decision, never missed a start. He's taken some beatings but never missed time due to concussions or injuries. Give Eli a clean pocket and some healthy NFL receivers, and you'll see some vintage Eli.

I strongly believe working with a QB friendly offensive system can and will extend his career. I mean, look at what Shurmur was able to do with career journeyman Case Keenum. Now he gets a HOF caliber QB. I can't wait for Eli to prove the doubters wrong.
RE: Favre Peyton Brady???  
RomanWH : 3/22/2018 6:07 pm : link
In comment 13881154 mattyblue said:
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You really think Eli has ever been in the same class as them?


You missed the rest of the post about Brunell, Testeverde, etc.? And since when did I say anything about Eli being in the same class as anyone else? My post stated facts. There were a number of NFL qbs who played at an age older than Eli. That much is undeniable.
How old was Elway when he won his first Superbowl?  
Sarcastic Sam : 3/22/2018 6:10 pm : link
The answer, right after this commercial break.
Good example Sam  
RomanWH : 3/22/2018 6:13 pm : link
Elway retired at age 38 after winning his second SB.
RE: Good example Sam  
Sarcastic Sam : 3/22/2018 6:14 pm : link
In comment 13881175 RomanWH said:
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Elway retired at age 38 after winning his second SB.


Dude. Spoiler alert.
Too many people that randomly are posting ages  
chuckydee9 : 3/22/2018 6:36 pm : link
Yes some QBs have played passed 37-38.. but their last effective year was not much further away than 37-38.. Manning was barely effective at 38 and by 39 lost his starting spot to Brock Osweiler.. only a few of those QBs were effective past 38-39.. so yes.. you shouldn't trust a QB to be a franchise solution at 37 years old.. also the Elway story is really nice but his last 2 seasons he didn't carry the team he was carried by the running game and defense.. Currently the Giants are not talented enough to carry a QB to SB.. you have the 2nd pick in the draft.. if there is a franchise QB there.. you pick him.. and move forward.. if you don't think any are franchise level QB then you trade down with Broncos or draft the Best player...
Yeah  
Zepp : 3/22/2018 9:00 pm : link
Too bad there are t many franchise QBs willing to take a risk on. Sorry. You have to come away with a sure fire star not filll a need. With sloppy seconds.

RE: Too many people that randomly are posting ages  
bw in dc : 3/22/2018 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13881211 chuckydee9 said:
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you shouldn't trust a QB to be a franchise solution at 37 years old.. also the Elway story is really nice but his last 2 seasons he didn't carry the team he was carried by the running game and defense..


Elway was actually very productive his last two years. At 37 threw 27 TDs, both Smith and Sharpe has 1K receiving.

And was on pace for more he last year - finished at 22 - until he missed three games with injury.

He could have easily kept playing because the football Gods blessed him with a canon. Eli is nowhere the athlete or the arm talent that Elway was...
People need to adjust the scale a bit  
Giantfan in skinland : 3/22/2018 9:17 pm : link
The modern athlete is not comparable to guys that played even as recently in the Elway era. The rules have changed to protect QBs. And the medicine, fitness and training, and *cough* other stuff *cough* these guys have access to is allowing them to play longer than ever before. I have no idea how many years Eli has left, but I don't think we can use the distant past as an example of what to expect from the current crop.
I say we should retire everyone  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/22/2018 9:19 pm : link
after they turn 28 -- maybe by firing squad -- so that that they don't annoyingly resurface and get older

I mean these dudes are just old, man -- make way for the younger guys -- or there'll be no way they can keep up with them
RE: People need to adjust the scale a bit  
bw in dc : 3/22/2018 9:24 pm : link
In comment 13881456 Giantfan in skinland said:
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The modern athlete is not comparable to guys that played even as recently in the Elway era. The rules have changed to protect QBs. And the medicine, fitness and training, and *cough* other stuff *cough* these guys have access to is allowing them to play longer than ever before. I have no idea how many years Eli has left, but I don't think we can use the distant past as an example of what to expect from the current crop.


True - the rules are different. But so are the athletes on defense who get to the QB quicker because there are smaller, , faster and quicker DEs than ever. So arm strength and accuracy are still as important as ever - that has not changed...

So to me, that is a problem for Eli...
Eli is 33-46 over the last 5 years and 0-1 playoffs  
twostepgiants : 3/22/2018 9:36 pm : link
Thats from ages 32-36.

How are we banking on 37-40 being any better than that?
RE: Eli is 33-46 over the last 5 years and 0-1 playoffs  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/22/2018 9:39 pm : link
In comment 13881480 twostepgiants said:
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Thats from ages 32-36.

How are we banking on 37-40 being any better than that?


Because some folks are living in denial.
RE: Eli is 33-46 over the last 5 years and 0-1 playoffs  
djm : 3/22/2018 10:24 pm : link
In comment 13881480 twostepgiants said:
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Thats from ages 32-36.

How are we banking on 37-40 being any better than that?


That maybe the team is better?
What a bunch of ingrates.......  
GeorgeAdams33 : 3/22/2018 10:26 pm : link
Eli will be fine.

mattyblue......

He needed the money.......
How are  
mattyblue : 3/22/2018 11:09 pm : link
We ingrates? For not wanting Eli to play until hes 50?
All of the sarcastic posts are ridiculous  
BestFeature : 3/23/2018 12:18 am : link
So because other QBs have played into their 40s it means it'll happen to Eli? And he's been straight up garbage the last two seasons. Sure, maybe it's just the line. I don't want to take that gamble.
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Britt in VA : 3/23/2018 8:38 am : link
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The JPP trade reinforces the idea that the new regime has no sentimentality when it comes to keeping players. Which is good. But it also adds weight to their decision to keep Eli Manning around as a football decision and not an emotional one.

RE: Eli is 33-46 over the last 5 years and 0-1 playoffs  
dep026 : 3/23/2018 8:45 am : link
In comment 13881480 twostepgiants said:
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Thats from ages 32-36.

How are we banking on 37-40 being any better than that?


I dont get this. Is Eli responsible for that record or is the team? Sure he played a part of it, but I dont see people rushing to get former Giants via free agency. Most players who were on those teams are no longer in the league. Think about that for a second.
the Jets figure prominently in this  
gmenatlarge : 3/23/2018 8:58 am : link
can the Giants pass on a QB which the Jets then select and is their Eli for the next 15 years while the Giants enter QB hell? It has to weigh heavily on the Giants...
RE: the Jets figure prominently in this  
Britt in VA : 3/23/2018 9:11 am : link
In comment 13881823 gmenatlarge said:
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can the Giants pass on a QB which the Jets then select and is their Eli for the next 15 years while the Giants enter QB hell? It has to weigh heavily on the Giants...


I highly, highly doubt the Giants worry about the Jets QB situation.
The Jets aren't even in our conference.  
Britt in VA : 3/23/2018 9:11 am : link
The Giants are going to do what's best for the Giants, period.
RE: RE: the Jets figure prominently in this  
gmenatlarge : 3/23/2018 9:12 am : link
In comment 13881844 Britt in VA said:
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can the Giants pass on a QB which the Jets then select and is their Eli for the next 15 years while the Giants enter QB hell? It has to weigh heavily on the Giants...



I highly, highly doubt the Giants worry about the Jets QB situation.


Maybe you forget they play in the same building and live in the same town where the media will never let it go.
Yeah, I forgot that.  
Britt in VA : 3/23/2018 9:13 am : link
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There's nothing we can do as fans  
family progtitioner : 3/23/2018 10:41 am : link
If the Giants don't think the QBs in this draft are worth the 2nd pick, then that's it. They do have a serviceable QB in Manning and maybe they like Webb. Who knows? always more drafts and if they suck again they can draft in the top 10 and trade up.

Now Cleveland? They need a QB in the worst way and I think even if they don't like any of the QBs for the #1 overall, they're forced to take one. That fanbase will arrive at the stadium with pitchforks and torches if they pass on a QB this year. Along with the Bills, that team has had the most dreadful QBing these last 10-15 years in the NFL.
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