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Giants traded JPP for Ogletree and the 84th pick in draft

Milton : 3/22/2018 4:09 pm
Giants received Ogletree, 69th pick, and 108th pick
Giants gave up JPP, 102nd pick, 135th pick, and 176th pick.

Using the Trade Value Chart, that adds up to the Giants gaining Ogletree and the 84th pick (middle of 3rd round) and losing JPP.
weird way to look at that  
Heisenberg : 3/22/2018 4:11 pm : link
really weird.
Thats what I see too  
KWALL2 : 3/22/2018 4:12 pm : link
Not a very exciting move because Ogletree is overpaid.
not  
Mr. Nickels : 3/22/2018 4:12 pm : link
EXACTLY.
need to add the salary cap impact  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/22/2018 4:12 pm : link
which is also a positive
Good  
AcidTest : 3/22/2018 4:12 pm : link
analysis.
Got out of one bad contract  
JonC : 3/22/2018 4:13 pm : link
for another, but perhaps the personality changes will be worth it.
.  
Danny Kanell : 3/22/2018 4:14 pm : link
Ergo, you bought me a falcon..  
Ryan : 3/22/2018 4:15 pm : link
.
The Giant's linebackers have sucked for what seems like forever and  
wgenesis123 : 3/22/2018 4:17 pm : link
when they get a good one all you can do is bitch about his paycheck!
Yes  
ZogZerg : 3/22/2018 4:21 pm : link
And you can look at it as
We got a 3rd to get rid of a high priced defender and only gave a 4 and 6
To get one.
We did OK.
Also...  
GuzzaBlue : 3/22/2018 4:21 pm : link
Ogletree 26yo
JPP 29yo

Which is more relevant when you look at the contracts. JPP will be in his 30's eating up $15M+ per year for two years. Ogletree approx. $10M per year in his mid-twenties.

JPP also has injury concerns and IMO overrated now especially when you consider the new D alignment.
RE: The Giant's linebackers have sucked for what seems like forever and  
Essex : 3/22/2018 4:22 pm : link
In comment 13880922 wgenesis123 said:
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when they get a good one all you can do is bitch about his paycheck!

He really is not that good, though. You see that is the trick of this game, the guys you pay are the guys that have to perform to that paycheck; you can't make many mistakes with resource allocation with the hard cap and still be a contender.
RE: Got out of one bad contract  
mfsd : 3/22/2018 4:22 pm : link
In comment 13880909 JonC said:
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for another, but perhaps the personality changes will be worth it.


That, plus it’s hard to assign exact value to the need for an ILB to be the “QB of the defense”, but DG and Bettcher obviously made that a major priority
Rams already had to free up cap space to sign FAs in 2018  
Gothamist : 3/22/2018 4:26 pm : link
If they even had space in 2019 2020 would they want an over 30 JPP at $20M per?
Does this sum it up?  
Ira : 3/22/2018 4:29 pm : link
We give up a more talented older player who is a bad fit and has a disability for a less talented (but still talented ) player who is younger, a better fit and healthy and isn't as much overpaid - plus the 84th pick. I'm good with it. It should work for us.
We are also now plus  
BlueHurricane : 3/22/2018 4:31 pm : link
2.5 fingers. Win win.
why  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/22/2018 4:36 pm : link
do I have the image of Charlie talking about Pepe Silvia in my head now?
3rd round - 66 and 69  
Chuckstar : 3/22/2018 4:51 pm : link
Gettelman can show his mettle here where Reese failed. We can fill JPP and DRC vacancies here with some decent talent.
Or use the extra pick for additional OL depth.
I have nothing against ogletree but I think people are mixing up  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/22/2018 4:51 pm : link
"New guy that isn't the LBs we know suck" and "highly paid" with "good" or "really good". And the standard here is so low that people are gonna lose their minds when ogletree makes a single run and chase play.
RE: Does this sum it up?  
GuzzaBlue : 3/22/2018 4:52 pm : link
In comment 13880950 Ira said:
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We give up a more talented older player who is a bad fit and has a disability for a less talented (but still talented ) player who is younger, a better fit and healthy and isn't as much overpaid - plus the 84th pick. I'm good with it. It should work for us.


Basically in a nut shell, however is Ogletree that much less talented at this point in time? JPP is a shell of himself early in his career. He used to be a pass rushing force and very good run defender. Now he's a very good run defender and average at best pass rusher. Ogletree is more effective IMO.
Salary cap space for 2019  
idiotsavant : 3/22/2018 4:55 pm : link
Plus roster space for a rookie. Young, energetic, rookie to mold.. like clay...
Good free agency  
idiotsavant : 3/22/2018 4:57 pm : link
Role players added.

Looking to add playmakers in the draft .

This makes sense. Trade down though?
JPPs best days are behind him  
JohnB : 3/22/2018 4:59 pm : link
It was smart to move him now.
The trade for Ogletree and release of JPP  
GeofromNJ : 3/22/2018 5:01 pm : link
is simply because the Giants (for better or worse) are moving to a 3-4. They needed a linebacker and JPP wasn't going to play like LT or Carl Banks with only 1 1/2 hands.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/22/2018 5:04 pm : link
Ogletree was added because:

(1) we don't have any linebackers who can cover and we're in the same division as the Eagles - that's a problem.

(2) He's a leader and has played in both 3-4 and 4-3.
RE: ...  
pjcas18 : 3/22/2018 5:08 pm : link
In comment 13881051 Eric from BBI said:
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Ogletree was added because:

(1) we don't have any linebackers who can cover and we're in the same division as the Eagles - that's a problem.

(2) He's a leader and has played in both 3-4 and 4-3.


and (3) he has a bad contract, so the Rams were looking to unload him for a relatively low return.

He was cuttable pretty painlessly after the trade since his guarantees accelerated on the Rams cap, but the Giants restructured him to make cap space in 2018 and the result is he's no longer painlessly cuttable.

A lot riding on his play.

RE: ...  
EricJ : 3/22/2018 5:09 pm : link
In comment 13881051 Eric from BBI said:
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Ogletree was added because:

(1) we don't have any linebackers who can cover and we're in the same division as the Eagles - that's a problem.

(2) He's a leader and has played in both 3-4 and 4-3.


also.. you could not draft an Ogletree in the 4th round.
RE: ...  
bw in dc : 3/22/2018 5:13 pm : link
In comment 13881051 Eric from BBI said:
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Ogletree was added because:

(1) we don't have any linebackers who can cover and we're in the same division as the Eagles - that's a problem.

(2) He's a leader and has played in both 3-4 and 4-3.


#2 is very important for a team, especially the D, where there was essentially a mutiny. It was like the Bronx Zoo with the Yankees - only the Jints couldn't win...
Thanks God I was a US History teacher  
TheMick7 : 3/22/2018 5:13 pm : link
during my career.I could never teach or understand Milton's School of New Math!
What are Ogletree's cap hits  
Giantfan in skinland : 3/22/2018 5:41 pm : link
in 2019 and 2020 under his revised deal?
Ogletree  
ryanmkeane : 3/22/2018 5:41 pm : link
is the best linebacker we've had since like...2007. I'd overpay for him if it meant we can have an actual good football player that plays linebacker.
RE: What are Ogletree's cap hits  
pjcas18 : 3/22/2018 5:44 pm : link
In comment 13881120 Giantfan in skinland said:
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in 2019 and 2020 under his revised deal?


RE: Thats what I see too  
paesan98 : 3/22/2018 7:33 pm : link
In comment 13880903 KWALL2 said:
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Not a very exciting move because Ogletree is overpaid.


don't see how you can say he's overpaid. we haven't seen him play one down for us yet.
RE: .  
Britt in VA : 3/22/2018 7:46 pm : link
In comment 13880914 Danny Kanell said:
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hahahaha
RE: Got out of one bad contract  
Joey in VA : 3/22/2018 8:36 pm : link
In comment 13880909 JonC said:
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for another, but perhaps the personality changes will be worth it.
one is 26 and has ten fingers, one is 29 and has an indeterminate number of digits. I call it a win.
We get Ogletree, the 86th  
DonQuixote : 3/23/2018 9:34 am : link
and room under the cap to sign another premium player next year.
And he is younger  
Carl in CT : 3/23/2018 9:50 am : link
And also has two hands.
Two players that are about as effective as the other  
Andy in Halifax : 3/23/2018 9:54 am : link
Both not on ideal contracts, but one much worse than the other. One is significantly younger.

We got the better of the two bad contracts AND the draft pick value without downgrading the player. I'd say that's a home run for DG.
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