If Reese were still GM

would have been very awkward.

Josh Allen, the JPP of quarterbacks would be a lock for #2.

JPP no doubt would still be here. And all OL would be the exact same.

In comment 13881509 Marty866b said:

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Josh Allen, the JPP of quarterbacks would be a lock for #2.

I disagree, we all know how patient Reese is with his draft picks. Reese would pass on all the QB's at 2 saying that they had a higher grade on Webb than any of the QB's in the draft. He would take Chubb at 2 despite numerous massive trade offers to move down because we all know Reese doesn't trade down.

wouldn't have traded JPP.

With the first round pick.

Dwayne Harris, Shane Vereen and JPP would all be here w extensions

The coach would be Jen McAgoof, Ben’s Alter ego (a wig )

fitzpatrick for sure

not because of money but because he told Solder that if he signed here he would be playing RT.

that worthless load of s**t is gone! DG is already a more productive GM that Reese. DG is trying to fix the mountain of mistakes made by Reese.

Re-sign Pugh, Richberg, and Cockrell
Dumpster dive at LB

Draft
1. Darnold
2. RB
3. CB
4. LB
5. OG
6. DE

In comment 13881537 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 13881509 Marty866b said: Quote: Josh Allen, the JPP of quarterbacks would be a lock for #2. I disagree, we all know how patient Reese is with his draft picks. Reese would pass on all the QB's at 2 saying that they had a higher grade on Webb than any of the QB's in the draft. He would take Chubb at 2 despite numerous massive trade offers to move down because we all know Reese doesn't trade down.

Gettleman's never traded down either. Just saying. Accorsi only did it once in his Giants tenure. It seems to be an organisational bias more than anything, take the highest graded player on your board (with a nod to need) when you're on the clock without any real consideration of the admittedly overblown concept of value

In comment 13881599 Fishmanjim57 said:

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that worthless load of s**t is gone! DG is already a more productive GM that Reese. DG is trying to fix the mountain of mistakes made by Reese.

Worthless load of shit? Speak for yourself.

But I'm sure he would not have dumped JPP after being responsible for his ugly contract

for a player.

That may have been his biggest flaw. And Reese could “reach” for a player in Rounds 4-7.

Why do you guys feel the need to constantly bash the guy ...it's really petty as hell. They guy spent 23 years with this organization and deserves alot more respect for his contributions.

Eli would be gone, and the Giants would have resigned Geno Smith as our starting quarterback. Erick Flowers would still be the starting left tackle, and we would have gotten stories about how hard he's been working so far this offseason.

Remember when Reese let Petitgout go, and everyone was in such an uproar. Or what about that terrible move trading up for Landon Collins?

Yeah, he made some questionable calls as do all GM's, but 2 Super Bowl rings, short fucking memories.

In comment 13881808 barens said:

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Remember when Reese let Petitgout go, and everyone was in such an uproar. Or what about that terrible move trading up for Landon Collins? Yeah, he made some questionable calls as do all GM's, but 2 Super Bowl rings, short fucking memories.

I think most BBIers would remember those events very differently. As I remember, most on BBI felt the same about Petitgout leaving as they do now about Pugh leaving. IMO, Pugh is a better player, but both had injury issues that kept them off the field, and consequently most felt it was better to let them walk than to overpay them. As for Collins, the majority on BBI was elated that the team traded up to get the best SS in the draft (particularly, when at the time the team had a bunch of spare parts playing the safety position)

In comment 13881808 barens said:

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Remember when Reese let Petitgout go, and everyone was in such an uproar. Or what about that terrible move trading up for Landon Collins? Yeah, he made some questionable calls as do all GM's, but 2 Super Bowl rings, short fucking memories.

Yeah. Everyone hated the Collins trade.

that both of you guys (and you even have the word 'Sarcastic' in your handle!) missed his sarcasm regarding the Collins pick.

And he's absolutely right. Everyone on this site LOVED Reese after he took over for Accorsi because of the moves he was making... just as everyone is doing for Gettleman now.

Like he said... fickle.

In comment 13882286 T-Bone said:

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that both of you guys (and you even have the word 'Sarcastic' in your handle!) missed his sarcasm regarding the Collins pick. And he's absolutely right. Everyone on this site LOVED Reese after he took over for Accorsi because of the moves he was making... just as everyone is doing for Gettleman now. Like he said... fickle.

Now that I go back and reread, I can see the not so obvious sarcasm

it's more that people here are painting the picture like Reese couldn't get out of his own way which is total bullshit. He was a very good GM, who had a bad run, like most do when you've been with an organization for too long, unless you've got a top tier quarterback.

In comment 13882404 barens said:

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it's more that people here are painting the picture like Reese couldn't get out of his own way which is total bullshit. He was a very good GM, who had a bad run, like most do when you've been with an organization for too long, unless you've got a top tier quarterback.

It's both if you ask me.

but i totally understand why DG let him go he never played a full season or wasnt carrying some injury the FA market at OL is expensive as the giants found out with solder he was the best player on a bad OL and was flexible could have been used anywhere along the line if needed they replaced him with a good OG and LT that will free up flowers to move to the right side where i see a fluker type move to RG with probably wheeler or a draft pick starting at RT

pugh wasnt his pick and had no ties to him,on a pure evaluation level DG thinks he can get a more durable guy for a lower price then set about drafting his guys instead and norwell proves he can find better OL than reese did

DG had already decided he was going to resign jones and let richburg walk regardless of how the market was and 49ers overpaid him,if he returns to his rookie form he wouldnt be bad but if he plays like he did last 2 years then they vastly overpaid for him and he will end up cut next offseason

In comment 13882404 barens said:

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it's more that people here are painting the picture like Reese couldn't get out of his own way which is total bullshit. He was a very good GM, who had a bad run, like most do when you've been with an organization for too long, unless you've got a top tier quarterback.

Reese was a hard head that fell in love with certain positions, while devaluing/neglecting other (until it was too late). It was the ones that he neglected that came back to bite him in the ass, and which put this team into a downward spiral.

that can be reasonably stated as one that Reese 'neglected' would LB. That's it. He's used high draft picks on every other positional group (well, except QB of course).

RB - Wilson

OL - Pugh, Flowers and Richburg

TE - Evans

WR - OBJ and Shepherd

DL - JPP and numerous DTs in the second

CB - Apple and even Ross

S - Collins and Kenny Phillips

There's a pretty big difference between 'neglect' and just not picking the right players.

we'd probably make the mistake of going Barkley. He was a sucker for measurables+character.

he reacted to losses too often and he waited too long to replace the OL snee and diehl where on the slide and he didnt draft until after they left in every case he played catchup he also had too many busts robinson,austin,wilson,ross,prince etc and relied on 4 and 5th round players to start far too often he waited till 6th round to draft bisnowaty on a team whos clear gapping need was OL and even then wheeler looked the better play as an UDFA then he did neglect isnt the right word for it maybe but its still the correct sentiment he reached to fill holes to often

waiting till the 6th round to draft an OL on a team whos OL was that bad is neglect,never replacing tuck,osi or pierce was also neglect as is throwing huge FA money after your draft selections bomb

In comment 13882829 msh said:

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he reacted to losses too often and he waited too long to replace the OL snee and diehl where on the slide and he didnt draft until after they left in every case he played catchup he also had too many busts robinson,austin,wilson,ross,prince etc and relied on 4 and 5th round players to start far too often he waited till 6th round to draft bisnowaty on a team whos clear gapping need was OL and even then wheeler looked the better play as an UDFA then he did neglect isnt the right word for it maybe but its still the correct sentiment he reached to fill holes to often waiting till the 6th round to draft an OL on a team whos OL was that bad is neglect,never replacing tuck,osi or pierce was also neglect as is throwing huge FA money after your draft selections bomb

I'm sorry but I can't reply to this because I can't read it. I don't know where one sentence stops and the other begins.