Josh Allen, the JPP of quarterbacks would be a lock for #2.
I disagree, we all know how patient Reese is with his draft picks. Reese would pass on all the QB's at 2 saying that they had a higher grade on Webb than any of the QB's in the draft. He would take Chubb at 2 despite numerous massive trade offers to move down because we all know Reese doesn't trade down.
Josh Allen, the JPP of quarterbacks would be a lock for #2.
I disagree, we all know how patient Reese is with his draft picks. Reese would pass on all the QB's at 2 saying that they had a higher grade on Webb than any of the QB's in the draft. He would take Chubb at 2 despite numerous massive trade offers to move down because we all know Reese doesn't trade down.
Gettleman's never traded down either. Just saying. Accorsi only did it once in his Giants tenure. It seems to be an organisational bias more than anything, take the highest graded player on your board (with a nod to need) when you're on the clock without any real consideration of the admittedly overblown concept of value
Why do you guys feel the need to constantly bash the guy ...it's really petty as hell. They guy spent 23 years with this organization and deserves alot more respect for his contributions.
Eli would be gone, and the Giants would have resigned Geno Smith as our starting quarterback. Erick Flowers would still be the starting left tackle, and we would have gotten stories about how hard he's been working so far this offseason.
Remember when Reese let Petitgout go, and everyone was in such an uproar. Or what about that terrible move trading up for Landon Collins?
Yeah, he made some questionable calls as do all GM's, but 2 Super Bowl rings, short fucking memories.
I think most BBIers would remember those events very differently. As I remember, most on BBI felt the same about Petitgout leaving as they do now about Pugh leaving. IMO, Pugh is a better player, but both had injury issues that kept them off the field, and consequently most felt it was better to let them walk than to overpay them. As for Collins, the majority on BBI was elated that the team traded up to get the best SS in the draft (particularly, when at the time the team had a bunch of spare parts playing the safety position)
that both of you guys (and you even have the word 'Sarcastic' in your handle!) missed his sarcasm regarding the Collins pick.
And he's absolutely right. Everyone on this site LOVED Reese after he took over for Accorsi because of the moves he was making... just as everyone is doing for Gettleman now.
that both of you guys (and you even have the word 'Sarcastic' in your handle!) missed his sarcasm regarding the Collins pick.
And he's absolutely right. Everyone on this site LOVED Reese after he took over for Accorsi because of the moves he was making... just as everyone is doing for Gettleman now.
Like he said... fickle.
Now that I go back and reread, I can see the not so obvious sarcasm
Not about whether people liked it or not at the time, Â
it's more that people here are painting the picture like Reese couldn't get out of his own way which is total bullshit. He was a very good GM, who had a bad run, like most do when you've been with an organization for too long, unless you've got a top tier quarterback.
RE: Not about whether people liked it or not at the time, Â
it's more that people here are painting the picture like Reese couldn't get out of his own way which is total bullshit. He was a very good GM, who had a bad run, like most do when you've been with an organization for too long, unless you've got a top tier quarterback.
but i totally understand why DG let him go he never played a full season or wasnt carrying some injury the FA market at OL is expensive as the giants found out with solder he was the best player on a bad OL and was flexible could have been used anywhere along the line if needed they replaced him with a good OG and LT that will free up flowers to move to the right side where i see a fluker type move to RG with probably wheeler or a draft pick starting at RT
pugh wasnt his pick and had no ties to him,on a pure evaluation level DG thinks he can get a more durable guy for a lower price then set about drafting his guys instead and norwell proves he can find better OL than reese did
DG had already decided he was going to resign jones and let richburg walk regardless of how the market was and 49ers overpaid him,if he returns to his rookie form he wouldnt be bad but if he plays like he did last 2 years then they vastly overpaid for him and he will end up cut next offseason
RE: Not about whether people liked it or not at the time, Â
it's more that people here are painting the picture like Reese couldn't get out of his own way which is total bullshit. He was a very good GM, who had a bad run, like most do when you've been with an organization for too long, unless you've got a top tier quarterback.
Reese was a hard head that fell in love with certain positions, while devaluing/neglecting other (until it was too late). It was the ones that he neglected that came back to bite him in the ass, and which put this team into a downward spiral.
that can be reasonably stated as one that Reese 'neglected' would LB. That's it. He's used high draft picks on every other positional group (well, except QB of course).
RB - Wilson
OL - Pugh, Flowers and Richburg
TE - Evans
WR - OBJ and Shepherd
DL - JPP and numerous DTs in the second
CB - Apple and even Ross
S - Collins and Kenny Phillips
There's a pretty big difference between 'neglect' and just not picking the right players.
he reacted to losses too often and he waited too long to replace the OL snee and diehl where on the slide and he didnt draft until after they left in every case he played catchup he also had too many busts robinson,austin,wilson,ross,prince etc and relied on 4 and 5th round players to start far too often he waited till 6th round to draft bisnowaty on a team whos clear gapping need was OL and even then wheeler looked the better play as an UDFA then he did neglect isnt the right word for it maybe but its still the correct sentiment he reached to fill holes to often
waiting till the 6th round to draft an OL on a team whos OL was that bad is neglect,never replacing tuck,osi or pierce was also neglect as is throwing huge FA money after your draft selections bomb
he reacted to losses too often and he waited too long to replace the OL snee and diehl where on the slide and he didnt draft until after they left in every case he played catchup he also had too many busts robinson,austin,wilson,ross,prince etc and relied on 4 and 5th round players to start far too often he waited till 6th round to draft bisnowaty on a team whos clear gapping need was OL and even then wheeler looked the better play as an UDFA then he did neglect isnt the right word for it maybe but its still the correct sentiment he reached to fill holes to often
waiting till the 6th round to draft an OL on a team whos OL was that bad is neglect,never replacing tuck,osi or pierce was also neglect as is throwing huge FA money after your draft selections bomb
I'm sorry but I can't reply to this because I can't read it. I don't know where one sentence stops and the other begins.
I disagree, we all know how patient Reese is with his draft picks. Reese would pass on all the QB's at 2 saying that they had a higher grade on Webb than any of the QB's in the draft. He would take Chubb at 2 despite numerous massive trade offers to move down because we all know Reese doesn't trade down.
Dwayne Harris, Shane Vereen and JPP would all be here w extensions
The coach would be Jen McAgoof, Ben’s Alter ego (a wig )
Dumpster dive at LB
Draft
1. Darnold
2. RB
3. CB
4. LB
5. OG
6. DE
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Josh Allen, the JPP of quarterbacks would be a lock for #2.
I disagree, we all know how patient Reese is with his draft picks. Reese would pass on all the QB's at 2 saying that they had a higher grade on Webb than any of the QB's in the draft. He would take Chubb at 2 despite numerous massive trade offers to move down because we all know Reese doesn't trade down.
Gettleman's never traded down either. Just saying. Accorsi only did it once in his Giants tenure. It seems to be an organisational bias more than anything, take the highest graded player on your board (with a nod to need) when you're on the clock without any real consideration of the admittedly overblown concept of value
Worthless load of shit? Speak for yourself.
That may have been his biggest flaw. And Reese could “reach” for a player in Rounds 4-7.
Yeah, he made some questionable calls as do all GM's, but 2 Super Bowl rings, short fucking memories.
Yeah, he made some questionable calls as do all GM's, but 2 Super Bowl rings, short fucking memories.
Yeah, he made some questionable calls as do all GM's, but 2 Super Bowl rings, short fucking memories.
Yeah. Everyone hated the Collins trade.
And he's absolutely right. Everyone on this site LOVED Reese after he took over for Accorsi because of the moves he was making... just as everyone is doing for Gettleman now.
Like he said... fickle.
And he's absolutely right. Everyone on this site LOVED Reese after he took over for Accorsi because of the moves he was making... just as everyone is doing for Gettleman now.
Like he said... fickle.
It's both if you ask me.
pugh wasnt his pick and had no ties to him,on a pure evaluation level DG thinks he can get a more durable guy for a lower price then set about drafting his guys instead and norwell proves he can find better OL than reese did
DG had already decided he was going to resign jones and let richburg walk regardless of how the market was and 49ers overpaid him,if he returns to his rookie form he wouldnt be bad but if he plays like he did last 2 years then they vastly overpaid for him and he will end up cut next offseason
RB - Wilson
OL - Pugh, Flowers and Richburg
TE - Evans
WR - OBJ and Shepherd
DL - JPP and numerous DTs in the second
CB - Apple and even Ross
S - Collins and Kenny Phillips
There's a pretty big difference between 'neglect' and just not picking the right players.
waiting till the 6th round to draft an OL on a team whos OL was that bad is neglect,never replacing tuck,osi or pierce was also neglect as is throwing huge FA money after your draft selections bomb
waiting till the 6th round to draft an OL on a team whos OL was that bad is neglect,never replacing tuck,osi or pierce was also neglect as is throwing huge FA money after your draft selections bomb
I'm sorry but I can't reply to this because I can't read it. I don't know where one sentence stops and the other begins.