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Chubb has to be the pick now based on value

huygens20 : 3/22/2018 10:38 pm
3-4, 4-3 be damned.


QB
DE/edge
CB
OT
WR/athlete


that's the ranking of impact players you need to draft.


If darnold isnt there, Chubb is the guy based strictly off value alone.
There  
mattyblue : 3/22/2018 10:40 pm : link
seems to be a number of threads on this not to far down. This doesn’t seem necessary
all things being equal  
huygens20 : 3/22/2018 10:41 pm : link
I believe that


its a 3 or 4 player draft outside of QBs


Ward
Nelson
Barkley
Chubb



you pick the pass rusher. Most important player after QB.
3  
mattyblue : 3/22/2018 10:43 pm : link
Separate threads going add it there.
Position importance  
allstarjim : 3/22/2018 10:44 pm : link
Is not the only factor. This is not a zero sum game.

If they go non-QB, they would probably go the highest grade on their board. That's likely to be the Penn State RB.
RE: 3  
huygens20 : 3/22/2018 10:45 pm : link
In comment 13881563 mattyblue said:
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Separate threads going add it there.



if this "message board" didnt look like something out of 1999 and organized up, it would be alot easier to have meaningful conversations here
If it’s so  
mattyblue : 3/22/2018 10:47 pm : link
appalling to you why don’t you go on Reddit, or Giants.com, really anywhere but here would be great
Absolutely NO Chubb unless you go to a 4-3  
giantstock : 3/22/2018 10:48 pm : link
Heard that CHubb is much weaker as an OLB. There is no reason to be this desperate unless you go to a 4-3.
You know what  
Breeze_94 : 3/22/2018 10:53 pm : link
earlier I said Chubb wouldn't make sense b/c he isn't a perfect scheme fit- he is good enough to play in the 3-4, I just don't love the idea of picking a guy at 2 overall and then playing him out of his natural position.

BUT...if the Giants are not taking a QB, then Chubb is the guy who makes the most sense. In fact, he is the ONLY guy who makes complete sense in terms of need, positional value, and talent at #2.

QB, LT, Edge Rusher, and CB are the big 4 positions. RB and LG are not great values at #2. That rules out Nelson and Barkley, although both are special talents. Chubb is also a blue chip prospect on the same level as Barkley and Nelson, and as an edge rusher he plays arguably the 2nd most valuable position in football. Great pass-rushes win championships, especially in the history of this franchise.

I think the Giants board probably goes something like

1. Darnold
2. Chubb
3. Barkley
4. Nelson
5. Rosen/Mayfield

Don't think they have any intentions of moving out of the top 5 because they want to land one of Chubb/Nelson/Barkley if the Browns take Darnold, which they likely will.
No  
AcidTest : 3/22/2018 10:54 pm : link
he doesn't. I'd rather not take Chubb at #2, but he certainly isn't a "remote thrower."
They may trade Collins and the # 2 to Move up to #1  
Vanzetti : 3/22/2018 10:55 pm : link
And Chubb still might not be there. That’s how good he is
My preferences at #2  
DennyInDenville : 3/22/2018 10:55 pm : link
1.) Darnold 2.) Barkley
RE: RE: 3  
Eman11 : 3/22/2018 10:56 pm : link
In comment 13881566 huygens20 said:
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In comment 13881563 mattyblue said:


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Separate threads going add it there.




if this "message board" didnt look like something out of 1999 and organized up, it would be alot easier to have meaningful conversations here


Bullshit.

There's no reason to start another Chubb thread when there are already two of them on page one. Well, except maybe being lazy and not taking the time to scroll down a little.
Yeah, go to one of the other threads.  
robbieballs2003 : 3/22/2018 10:56 pm : link
We're only allowed to have 500 separate Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Nelson, and Barkley threads.
Chubb has to be the pick. Barkley has to be the pick.  
Ira : 3/22/2018 11:02 pm : link
Darnold has to be the pick. Rosen has to be the pick. Mayfield has to be the pick. Allen has to be the pick. We have to trade down. If the past week or two has shown us anything, it's that none of us knows what Gettleman is going to do, but I think we're learning to have confidence that he'll probably get it right.
The reason players fall in the draft  
Rjanyg : 3/22/2018 11:06 pm : link
Is because we forgo best available player for the " important positions " approach.

QB, Pass Rusher, LT, CB are highly important positions and I will not argue that point. I want to say that Neslon and Barkley are superior talents in the entire draft and because of the value placed in the 4 positions mentioned above, these guys will fall to teams lower in the 1st.

Well okay, but only because you said so.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/22/2018 11:14 pm : link
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RE: The reason players fall in the draft  
huygens20 : 3/22/2018 11:16 pm : link
In comment 13881594 Rjanyg said:
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Is because we forgo best available player for the " important positions " approach.

QB, Pass Rusher, LT, CB are highly important positions and I will not argue that point. I want to say that Neslon and Barkley are superior talents in the entire draft and because of the value placed in the 4 positions mentioned above, these guys will fall to teams lower in the 1st.


Do you not believe that Chubb, Barkley, Nelson are graded the same relative to each other ?
RE: Well okay, but only because you said so.  
huygens20 : 3/22/2018 11:17 pm : link
In comment 13881600 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Brb let me make an idiot shitpost with a word association pic
......  
Micko : 3/22/2018 11:37 pm : link
F the thread police. Fight the power!
RE: RE: The reason players fall in the draft  
Breeze_94 : 3/22/2018 11:40 pm : link
In comment 13881602 huygens20 said:
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In comment 13881594 Rjanyg said:


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Is because we forgo best available player for the " important positions " approach.

QB, Pass Rusher, LT, CB are highly important positions and I will not argue that point. I want to say that Neslon and Barkley are superior talents in the entire draft and because of the value placed in the 4 positions mentioned above, these guys will fall to teams lower in the 1st.




Do you not believe that Chubb, Barkley, Nelson are graded the same relative to each other ?


Chubb is the same level prospect IMO. Great film, production and measurables. Blew up the combine. Pundits are comparing him to the likes of Bosa, Khalil Mack, Myles Garrett. Difference is he plays a premium position.
RE: RE: RE: The reason players fall in the draft  
huygens20 : 3/22/2018 11:45 pm : link
In comment 13881614 Breeze_94 said:
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In comment 13881602 huygens20 said:


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In comment 13881594 Rjanyg said:


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Is because we forgo best available player for the " important positions " approach.

QB, Pass Rusher, LT, CB are highly important positions and I will not argue that point. I want to say that Neslon and Barkley are superior talents in the entire draft and because of the value placed in the 4 positions mentioned above, these guys will fall to teams lower in the 1st.




Do you not believe that Chubb, Barkley, Nelson are graded the same relative to each other ?



Chubb is the same level prospect IMO. Great film, production and measurables. Blew up the combine. Pundits are comparing him to the likes of Bosa, Khalil Mack, Myles Garrett. Difference is he plays a premium position.


Precisely.
''Chubb has to be the pick now'...  
Torrag : 3/23/2018 12:56 am : link
No he doesn't. Barkley and Nelson are arguably better prospects.
Why would we trade a guy  
sharpshooter66 : 3/23/2018 1:04 am : link
Who doesnt fit the scheme just to sign almost a spitting image?
Chubb is a 4-3 end  
Tuckrule : 3/23/2018 5:48 am : link
Do people do any research or they see jpp was traded now we must have a DE. We signed mauro and have Tomlinson. That’s your 2 starting DE. OV and Martin are the outside backers. Tree and Goodson inside. Snacks as the nose tackle with Robert Thomas as his backup. That’s the front as of now. Chubb is not a 3-4 end nor is he a 3-4 outside linebacker according to every scout.
I'd rather take Chubb at 2 than Barkley  
ZogZerg : 3/23/2018 6:55 am : link
if they pass on QB.
If no QB Trade down  
nochance : 3/23/2018 7:30 am : link
Do you really think Denver thinks that Case Keenum is the long term answer? He's no more the answer than Tyrod Taylor or AJ Mc Carron. They are just trying to hold down the cost of moving up in the draft. QB's are going 1,2,3 in the draft and the Giants would get their choice of 2 between Nelson Barkley or Chubb if they traded down. Of course they could also pick a QB for themselves.
Position of need  
joeinpa : 3/23/2018 7:54 am : link
Varies as to whether you re drafting for this year or the future.

That s why I agree qb is first
RE: Chubb is a 4-3 end  
FStubbs : 3/23/2018 8:05 am : link
In comment 13881685 Tuckrule said:
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Do people do any research or they see jpp was traded now we must have a DE. We signed mauro and have Tomlinson. That’s your 2 starting DE. OV and Martin are the outside backers. Tree and Goodson inside. Snacks as the nose tackle with Robert Thomas as his backup. That’s the front as of now. Chubb is not a 3-4 end nor is he a 3-4 outside linebacker according to every scout.


This.

Reese would've picked Chubb or Allen but Reese isn't in the building anymore.
RE: Chubb has to be the pick. Barkley has to be the pick.  
AcidTest : 3/23/2018 8:19 am : link
In comment 13881591 Ira said:
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Darnold has to be the pick. Rosen has to be the pick. Mayfield has to be the pick. Allen has to be the pick. We have to trade down. If the past week or two has shown us anything, it's that none of us knows what Gettleman is going to do, but I think we're learning to have confidence that he'll probably get it right.


^This.
RE: RE: The reason players fall in the draft  
Rjanyg : 3/23/2018 8:29 am : link
In comment 13881602 huygens20 said:
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In comment 13881594 Rjanyg said:


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Is because we forgo best available player for the " important positions " approach.

QB, Pass Rusher, LT, CB are highly important positions and I will not argue that point. I want to say that Neslon and Barkley are superior talents in the entire draft and because of the value placed in the 4 positions mentioned above, these guys will fall to teams lower in the 1st.




Do you not believe that Chubb, Barkley, Nelson are graded the same relative to each other ?


I believe Chubb is a top player in this draft but nobody was really talking about him until we traded JPP so everyone is thinking need. All the people who say BPA when drafting believe that Nelson and Barkley are the best players but some also say you can't use the number 2 pick on a RB or a Guard because the value isn't there....so which is it? Is Chubb the better selection because he is a DE? Even though he may be a better fit in a 4-3 base defense over the 3-4 front NYG is moving to?

All I know is many want a QB and I understand the position we are in right now and getting a cost controlled young replacement for Eli is ripe for the picking, DG just has to like 2 QB's more than any other player for this to happen.

Barkley or Nelson would start from day one and NYG would reap immediate rewards by selecting either player and now that JPP is gone I guess Chubb could do the same but I am not sure how quickly he will produce and fit in this scheme.
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