Notice some of these quotes about Webb BEFORE Gettleman got here.
"He's just got that 'it' factor to be a starting quarterback," said Rudolph, an undrafted rookie who has been on the active roster since Week 6. "He's just a great leader overall."
"In the beginning , if I dropped a pass , he would look at me with a scolding face." Bundy said. "After that it was like , This guy does not want to lose." "So I want to catch all of his passes. Sometimes even at lunch , if you drop one of his passes , he won't even really laugh at your jokes. So you want to make sure you're in his good graces."
Practice squad players are typically idle on game day , watching home games from Metlife. But the practice squad wide recievers have been put through a vigorous workout before home games designed for Webb by quarterbacks coach Cignetti.
"He's fired up. He makes it like he's playing a game." "Every decision he makes , every calculation he goes through , he makes that like his game time. He takes it seriously. That's always going to help. When the game comes , he's been preparing for it."
"Davis doesn't like to lose." "So somebody who doesn't like to lose kind of has that it factor. The factor that no matter what's going on , you've got to get it done. He's a finisher."
One of the biggest things Gettleman said he looks for in a player , is not so much does the guy want to win , but does the player hate to lose.
Webb has that intangible drive. The very player Gettleman and Shurmur have been looking for may already be on our roster.
If Webb is the next franchise QB , we are set for the next 15 years....
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On the other hand, this was a third round pick that could be considered a reach by some (and maybe undervalued by others). But he was drafted by a GM that didn't have the best track record with QBs. And he never even talked to the head coach before he was drafted. And when the head coach's job was on the line, he made the decision that Geno Smith had a better chance of winning than Webb.
That being said, how great does the QB have to be to have team success? Playoff QBs from last season included Tyrod Taylor, Nick Foles, Blake Bortles, Case Keenum and Alex Smith. Not exactly perennial All-Pros.
I really hope that Webb's the guy, and that the Giants can use the high picks in each round to build around him, but I am extremely skeptical.
I put little stock in quotes from teammates. What do you expect them to say, “Davis is a nice guy, but he can’t throw” Plus, until you see a guy in a game, you never know about him. A lot of guys look good in shorts
I put little stock in quotes from teammates. What do you expect them to say, “Davis is a nice guy, but he can’t throw” Plus, until you see a guy in a game, you never know about him. A lot of guys look good in shorts
based on the evaluation of the previous regime? the ones who favored Geno over Eli. the ones who started Hart and Jerry with no competition? where is that staff now?
I put little stock in quotes from teammates. What do you expect them to say, “Davis is a nice guy, but he can’t throw” Plus, until you see a guy in a game, you never know about him. A lot of guys look good in shorts
What aspect to last years Coaching Staff did you see that gave you one iota of confidence that they had any clue about anything regarding football?
On the other hand, this was a third round pick that could be considered a reach by some (and maybe undervalued by others). But he was drafted by a GM that didn't have the best track record with QBs. And he never even talked to the head coach before he was drafted. And when the head coach's job was on the line, he made the decision that Geno Smith had a better chance of winning than Webb.
That being said, how great does the QB have to be to have team success? Playoff QBs from last season included Tyrod Taylor, Nick Foles, Blake Bortles, Case Keenum and Alex Smith. Not exactly perennial All-Pros.
I really hope that Webb's the guy, and that the Giants can use the high picks in each round to build around him, but I am extremely skeptical.
You're saying Webb never talked to McAdoo before he was drafted? I may be completely mis-remembering, but I recall an anecdote where McAdoo pushed to draft him in Round 2. If true, I don't see why his not talking to McAdoo means anything.
I like Duggan, but this is a meaningless fluff article written in the dying weeks of a disastrous season. Newsflash, teammates say complimentary things about their qb. 20 years ago you could find articles where guys were singing the praises of Brown and Kanell. Means as much now as it did then.
It would be great for the franchise if Webb was the guy. Citing the opinions of 3 guys clinging to the bottom of the roster as evidence is laughable.
Hopefully I am wrong and he could be the starter or trade bait.
"Everyone has a plan until they get hit" - Mike Tyson? (not sure who said it first?).
We will see ... hoping for the best. But, this year's training camp is going to be really interesting - especially if the Giant's draft a Quarterback. No matter who they draft if Webb does not see a significant amount of playing time (both first team reps and game time) - he might not make the 53 man roster?
Dam, forget everything I just typed. New HC, new system, new everything ... this year. So, we might not be able to see what is happening (team wise) from the actions of the coaches and sideline hints that may have helped in the past? Even Eli, who has been with the team since 2004 is going to need his time under center with the new faces and new plays/system.
Dam, .... oh well. We will see ... fingers crossed : )
I put little stock in quotes from teammates. What do you expect them to say, “Davis is a nice guy, but he can’t throw” Plus, until you see a guy in a game, you never know about him. A lot of guys look good in shorts
Why do people keep asking this question? Were you not here last year? Did you not see the complete dysfunction and piss poor roster management by McAdoo?
I put more stock in player quotes than I do McAdoos decision-making.
Last year the expectations for the team were high. The thought was that the other two would give us the best chance if something happened to Eli. Once the season went into the crapper they should have changed their thinking and given Webb more practice time and if possible some game time. Unfortunetly he (the coach) was fighting for his job and didn't care to look into the future.
I put little stock in quotes from teammates. What do you expect them to say, “Davis is a nice guy, but he can’t throw” Plus, until you see a guy in a game, you never know about him. A lot of guys look good in shorts
Not athletic enough to run macs brilliant offense. Sarcasm off.
On the other hand, this was a third round pick that could be considered a reach by some (and maybe undervalued by others). But he was drafted by a GM that didn't have the best track record with QBs. And he never even talked to the head coach before he was drafted. And when the head coach's job was on the line, he made the decision that Geno Smith had a better chance of winning than Webb.
That being said, how great does the QB have to be to have team success? Playoff QBs from last season included Tyrod Taylor, Nick Foles, Blake Bortles, Case Keenum and Alex Smith. Not exactly perennial All-Pros.
I really hope that Webb's the guy, and that the Giants can use the high picks in each round to build around him, but I am extremely skeptical.
The previous head coach thought Geno Smith was a better option than Eli Manning. I think we can discount any thoughts he may have had about anybody.
It would be great for the franchise if Webb was the guy. Citing the opinions of 3 guys clinging to the bottom of the roster as evidence is laughable.
Landon Collins told The Post, “Don’t draft him. Don’t do it. Davis is gonna be really good in the league when it’s his time, I promise you.”
Asked if he thinks the Giants need to draft a quarterback with the second pick, Rodgers-Cromartie told The Post: “Nah, nah. I think he’s the guy that has the arm, and he’s studied under Eli, so I think he still has an opportunity to be that guy.” “I’ve seen him drop it in the bucket,” Rodgers-Cromartie said, “I’ve seen the things that he’s done.”
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On the flipside others think he is our franchise QB with nothing really to support that projection. I’m no giving up on him, but if Getts and Co. think one of these guys in the draft have that “it” factor😂 then I’m all for it.
But to someone else’s point, using essentially practice squad players to support Webb’s it factor is a stretch. And quite frankly even it had been a more experienced and credible player, this is a new regime so I wouldn’t even give them much credence.
Has anyone read about
He leaves the huddle with a rigid plan that is hard for him to do his check offs?
That he has been criticized for being robotic?
Are these experience related?
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because he's a 3rd round pick.
On the flipside others think he is our franchise QB with nothing really to support that projection. I’m no giving up on him, but if Getts and Co. think one of these guys in the draft have that “it” factor😂 then I’m all for it.
But to someone else’s point, using essentially practice squad players to support Webb’s it factor is a stretch. And quite frankly even it had been a more experienced and credible player, this is a new regime so I wouldn’t even give them much credence.
I put little stock in quotes from teammates. What do you expect them to say, “Davis is a nice guy, but he can’t throw” Plus, until you see a guy in a game, you never know about him. A lot of guys look good in shorts
I don't know if Webb could be the guy; I'm as skeptical as anyone that he can.
But this is such a bullshit comment. As others have noted, it was never intended that he be anything other than the 3rd guy. And, that is from Day 1. He was picked as a project, to sit and do nothing more than learn, in the hopes of *maybe* being Eli's successor *3* years down the road. He was not supposed to compete with Geno (or Johnson) and he was never supposed to be active. So, to disparage a guy for being exactly what he was supposed to be last season is patently ridiculous.
However none of us know what Gettleman and Shurmur think if him,it s possible they do like him enough to pass in qb.
But tgat would be surprising
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The players could see it but not the coaching staff?
I put little stock in quotes from teammates. What do you expect them to say, “Davis is a nice guy, but he can’t throw” Plus, until you see a guy in a game, you never know about him. A lot of guys look good in shorts
What aspect to last years Coaching Staff did you see that gave you one iota of confidence that they had any clue about anything regarding football?
Bob: That they won 11 games the season before? You can’t completely discount that. The QB coach is one of Eli’s best friends . Stuff like that .
Like Joe Montana and Russell Wilson.
I don’t like him as a prospect versus at least four of the prospects in this draft.
With that in mind, the coaching staff was all about winning last year. They too seemed a tad over confident. Add in Reese, who again looked at the Oline as something we could get by with and the recipe for disaster was in place.
Since that was the mindset of team and organization there really was NO interest in developing Webb for next year. In fact, it appears as if he was being red shirted. Could he have played last year? No way for any of us to really know. I will say that the idea that once the season was lost, that they should have played Webb has some merit but not 100% accurate. The team was bad mid season but I don't think BM worried about his job. In fact, I think he was trying desperately to get Eli out and move on with a more mobile QB as he had with Rodgers in GB. The reasons now are pretty obvious, his system is flawed and his oline was shit. He and Reese deserve a TON of blame there.
But, with all of that there was no way Webb could be thrown to the wolves at the end of the season. What would you have learned? His oline was a crap shoot of players picked up from all over. His WR's were ALL off the street kind of guys (including Lewis and King). The Giants had to have Eli play because as much as anything he had to coach on the field as well as play.
Webb is basically a draft pick this year with more coaching at the NFL level than the guys we pick in April. I think the plan is to let him stay developing for at least 1 year and maybe two.
The Giants are all in with Eli and seem to be ok with Webb being the backup. I suspect we draft a QB in rounds 3,4 or 5 this year to develop with and behind Webb.
If anyone was ready to play as a rookie, it was Webb. But from the second the Giants drafted him, he wasn't going to play year 1, and they openly admitted that.
With that in mind, the coaching staff was all about winning last year. They too seemed a tad over confident. Add in Reese, who again looked at the Oline as something we could get by with and the recipe for disaster was in place.
Since that was the mindset of team and organization there really was NO interest in developing Webb for next year. In fact, it appears as if he was being red shirted. Could he have played last year? No way for any of us to really know. I will say that the idea that once the season was lost, that they should have played Webb has some merit but not 100% accurate. The team was bad mid season but I don't think BM worried about his job. In fact, I think he was trying desperately to get Eli out and move on with a more mobile QB as he had with Rodgers in GB. The reasons now are pretty obvious, his system is flawed and his oline was shit. He and Reese deserve a TON of blame there.
But, with all of that there was no way Webb could be thrown to the wolves at the end of the season. What would you have learned? His oline was a crap shoot of players picked up from all over. His WR's were ALL off the street kind of guys (including Lewis and King). The Giants had to have Eli play because as much as anything he had to coach on the field as well as play.
Webb is basically a draft pick this year with more coaching at the NFL level than the guys we pick in April. I think the plan is to let him stay developing for at least 1 year and maybe two.
The Giants are all in with Eli and seem to be ok with Webb being the backup. I suspect we draft a QB in rounds 3,4 or 5 this year to develop with and behind Webb.
So Lamar Jackson then. Or someone of that ilk.
Maybe it's just me & Rosen could be 100% telling the truth, but I tend to believe it more when others are saying it.
p.s.--As for the "it" factor, Danny Kanell had the "it" factor until he didn't, Tim Tebow had the "it" factor until he didn't. The "it" factor is an illusion.
"it" is such bullshit. This BBI-Webb hype machine is nauseating.
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to consider and I'm not saying what the Giants should do, but I'd rather hear a practice squad player say stuff like this vs. Rosen saying about himself,"I'm extremely competitive."
Or even worse, Darnold saying "I'm a good leader" or Shockey saying "I have heart." It's one thing for a player to describe himself as competitive, but it should really be up to others to say you're a good leader or that you have heart.
p.s.--As for the "it" factor, Danny Kanell had the "it" factor until he didn't, Tim Tebow had the "it" factor until he didn't. The "it" factor is an illusion.
It's all goofy to me. Rather hear it from coaches, teammates & opponents.
"it" is such bullshit. This BBI-Webb hype machine is nauseating.
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The players could see it but not the coaching staff?
I put little stock in quotes from teammates. What do you expect them to say, “Davis is a nice guy, but he can’t throw” Plus, until you see a guy in a game, you never know about him. A lot of guys look good in shorts
What aspect to last years Coaching Staff did you see that gave you one iota of confidence that they had any clue about anything regarding football?
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Bob: That they won 11 games the season before? You can’t completely discount that. The QB coach is one of Eli’s best friends . Stuff like that .
I put that towards more of Coughlin's shadow then anything McAdoo did Retro
"it" is such bullshit. This BBI-Webb hype machine is nauseating.
I don't remember one instance where someone praised Palmrer as a pro, even in his rookie year when he wasn't playing. Not once.
Not that I am hyping up the unknown Webb but he has already displayed more than Palmer did just by being a good student and film junkie.
I can absolutely see this as a possibility.
If you've ever played a sport, you know who the people are on the court/field/whatever with you. That doesn't always add up to the same thing that the coach or coaches see. It's a very strange (but somewhat understandable) thing.
As a coach now, I keep these things in mind and work hard to make sure our players know - especially at JV and varsity levels - that we, the coaches KNOW that they're the ones in the trenches and that in practice, between games at a tourney, even in a timeout, if they have something to contribute, they have that freedom.
Coaches and front office folks have to make the bottom-line decisions all the time, but they need TONS of perspectives. I think some coaches are better at incorporating what they get back from the players than others.
That said, and realizing I don't KNOW this to be true, I have a strong gut feeling that Ben McAdoo was not an inclusive guy when it came to his coaching approach. I feel as though Shurmur is much more so a guy in that direction.
We'll see.
good ridance to him,i thought reeses last few drafts were better but when you see the light change DG has made to the team in a single offseason you then think you know what they were right to can reese he has done more to fix the OL and defence already than reese did in years he never prioritised the LB spot,never even tried to find a pierce type guy to run the front 7,threw lower tier picks at LT and then tried to smash a square peg flowers into that role and wondered why the OL went backwards year in year out,while all his late round picks were total busts
gettleman talent is finding lineman offence and defence when he was in the front office the team drafted snee,diehl,osi,tuck,kiwi after he left reese drafted/signed brewer,mccants,austin,hart,flowers think its clear who was the better OL/DL talent evaluator there
DG wanted assurances that eli was kept before he took the job,he wants to retool the team for another push with eli i dont see any of these QB's being what the giants are looking for outside of rosen and the injury history and locker room presence would rule him out best bet a move back that nets them a high first next year use the year to see what shurmur thinks of webb first then decide where to go at QB then
webb does have all the traits you look for 6-5, good arm,pocket passer but mobile enough,hard worker he is already working out with engram this offseason and a coaches son who is a film junkie. with a retooled OL and the weapons the giants have plus a coach who can get better out of those weapons than mac did you could definately win with webb just as prescott and wilson are doing they were 3rd round picks too so lets not immeadiately rule it out due to where he was drafted
by that logic you could point to ryan leaf,jamarcus russell,
johnny manziel,mark sanchez etc and say not to draft a QB in the first round/top of the draft just as easily which is equally as dumb
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because he's a 3rd round pick.
Like Joe Montana and Russell Wilson.
Yeah and Sean Mannion, CJ Beathard, Garrett Grayson, Jacoby Brissett, Cody Kessler, Colt McCoy, Mike Glennon, Ryan Mallett, Kevin O'Connell, Trent Edwards, Charlie Whitehurst, Brodie Croyle, etc.
Between Eli, Rosen, and Webb, you have to like the Giants chances of fielding a top shelf QB!
The last regime has been run out of town so placing any confidence in their judgment in not playing Webb last year is moot. 2017 just simply needs to be wiped from the history of the franchise because of the clusterfck things that went on.
The NYG need to find their next starting QB and that is indisputable. We can screw around with Eli and delay the inevitable, or we can move ahead and draft a potential elite QB this year and see if that guy and/or Webb can take on the job. Even if they take some time to develop what is the downside? Eli isn't taking us anywhere so why "punt" the real restructuring that has to occur with this team down the road?
Time to wake up folks...
There’s a difference between giving up on webb and not letting Webb factor in to the biggest draft pick in franchise history. You know that right?
Teams believe they've drafted their franchise qb all the time and are mistaken. Doubling your odds of success is a no brainer. Lets say you give Rosen/Darnold a 25% chance of success as a franchise QB and Webb 20% (which I personally think is quite generous but for the sake of this exercise there are those that wouldn't).
Now you have a 45% chance of getting it right, those are odds that you only get with the most sure-fire QB prospects that come along once every 5 or more years. If you happen to be right on both now you have an awesome trade chip in 1 -- a young franchise quarterback which you'd easily get a first and another pick for.
For me at least, I'd much rather go down that route even if they love Webb than take a premium player elsewhere who has a higher likelihood of being a star (but still not 100% no matter what anyone thinks) but lesser impact in the case that you're right.
If the staff likes Webb then I'd still much rather them draft a QB that they love at the top of the draft. Given Webb's warts, even if they think he's vastly improved since his senior year they can't possibly be anywhere near certain...