Chris Canty on Golic & Wingo

In comment 13881796 UConn4523 said:

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he doesn't know anything. We can take Darnold, trade up, or trade down. Thanks.

You may not have heard the interview when he said that he has sources. Not just his opinion

In comment 13881824 JonC said:

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Darnold or Barkley.

I sure hope so. If we pass/miss out on a/our QB, we had better get a home run of a player. Barkley seems to be that guy.

Pretty alarming how easily info leaks out

Just stop it

"Journalists" need to file stories

or Barkley if Darnold is gone.

In comment 13881827 MattyKid said:

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In comment 13881796 UConn4523 said: Quote: he doesn't know anything. We can take Darnold, trade up, or trade down. Thanks. You may not have heard the interview when he said that he has sources. Not just his opinion

Him saying it really doesn't make it true. Possible? Sure. People who post on this board claim they have "sources" all the time. Some of them are lying.

In comment 13881827 MattyKid said:

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In comment 13881796 UConn4523 said: Quote: he doesn't know anything. We can take Darnold, trade up, or trade down. Thanks. You may not have heard the interview when he said that he has sources. Not just his opinion

I read that he has sources, I just don't think that means anything. He basically said everything is possible, which we already know.

In comment 13881806 Zepp said:

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They have 6 picks. They aren�t trading up. If its not Darnold then its gonna be Barkley or a massive haul to move down no further than 6. I can�t see how moving down to 12 makes sense in any scenario.

Move to 12 is OK as a second trade down. If we move to 4 or 5 first you would be paid twice for the number 2 pick.

Example: Get pick #5 a 2, a 3, and 2019 #1 from Denver. Get 12, 22, and two number 2 picks from the Bills. We would have 12, 22, 33, 36, two more picks in round 2 and 3 picks in round 3. That is NINE picks in the first three rounds.

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outside of Gettleman, Shurmur, Abrams and some folks named Mara truly know what the Giants are leaning towards. I also doubt any of them would share that information with Chris Canty other than as part of a misinformation campaign. Even that seems highly unlikely.

In comment 13881824 JonC said:

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Darnold or Barkley.

Agreed. But if or more likely when Darnold is taken by Cleveland, then you have to at least listen to trade offers.

Rosen is the best player in the draft IMO, but his injury history is troubling. The Giants may also be concerned about his comments and public persona, especially in New York.

In comment 13881851 AcidTest said:

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In comment 13881824 JonC said: Quote: Darnold or Barkley. Agreed. But if or more likely when Darnold is taken by Cleveland, then you have to at least listen to trade offers. Rosen is the best player in the draft IMO, but his injury history is troubling. The Giants may also be concerned about his comments and public persona, especially in New York.

Agree, they have to explore every possibility. And afetr the last few days I have n doubt that Gettleman will. Everything is on the table.

Said the same thing. He's the most plugged in guy in the NFL. There was a reason he said the Giants covet Darnold and the Browns like a few QBs.

Unfortunately, you can�t discount them. The shoulder is a non-issue because it doesn�t increase the odds of it happening again.

I�m just a bit concerned about Darnold�s setup and how he positions his arm. It seems that is really causing his ball security problem. Eli does the same thing so how bad can it be, right?

We have heard from multiple people claims that the Giants "really like" virtually every top 10 consensus draft pick. Which is a good thing because we want everyone guessing

and say that, IMHO, Darnold is the third best QB in this draft. I would select Rosen and Allen before Darnold. Watch Josh Allen's film vs Utah ST. People say he has no touch and is inaccurate. Watch that game and see what you think. Yes, it's only one game, but it is indicative of his talent. I worry that Darnold is destined for mediocrity. Both Rosen and Allen are MUCH more talented QBs at this point in time. Time will tell...

In comment 13881797 AcidTest said:

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OK with Darnold at #2, but don't want to trade up for him. The cost would be exorbitant.

I can't take this too costly argument anymore...

Too costly? Was Eli too costly?

If you have to have a guy you get that guy or run the risk of missing out on a game changing talent.

The 2004 draft was loaded too. LOADED. And the Giants traded those oh so valuable chips to move up. They pissed off everyone in the process. Then won 2 super bowls.

If you love Darnold or Rosen or anyone...fucking do it. Don't worry about the draft hounds that can't bear to lose 2-3 picks and screw up their stupid draft boards lined up in momma's basement.

In comment 13881798 RottenApple said:

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Slade.

Lol

Pretty sure Canty and his "contacts" knew nothing about the JPP trade before it happened.

Ha! LOL!

In comment 13881805 The_Boss said:

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There�s probably a 1% chance Darnold makes it to 2. Rosen is just as good as Darnold. His shoulder injury supposedly is a non issue. Ok, he�s had 2 concussions. But by the time he plays here, they�ll have been so far in the rear view mirror, should it even matter? Yes, he�s an OL, but Pugh�s been concussed multiple times and that didn�t stop him from securing a 2nd contract.

Teams don't line up 2-3-4 players and consider then near equals, especially QBs. They vet the shit out of these kids to the point of ridiculousness.

Teams don't say well if we can't get QB1 we will gladly settle for QB2. IT's never that simple.

In comment 13881933 djm said:

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In comment 13881797 AcidTest said: Quote: OK with Darnold at #2, but don't want to trade up for him. The cost would be exorbitant. I can't take this too costly argument anymore... Too costly? Was Eli too costly? If you have to have a guy you get that guy or run the risk of missing out on a game changing talent. The 2004 draft was loaded too. LOADED. And the Giants traded those oh so valuable chips to move up. They pissed off everyone in the process. Then won 2 super bowls. If you love Darnold or Rosen or anyone...fucking do it. Don't worry about the draft hounds that can't bear to lose 2-3 picks and screw up their stupid draft boards lined up in momma's basement.

It's really a mute point anyway if Cleveland wants Darnold and won't consider any trade of their #1 pick.

Keeping your cards hidden can yield assets in trading down. duh
ex Giant Canty obviously is either irresponsible by his leak, making it up or intentionally planting mis information.

Keeping your cards hidden can yield assets in trading down. duh
ex Giant Canty obviously is either irresponsible by his leak, making it up or intentionally planting mis information.

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Chris is onto something. Been saying for months Darnold is the only QB they�d take unless Gettleman disregards his scouts (which I guess is possible).

in the Giants org that he talks with. But none of them are DG.
So he's speculating publicly just let all the players are likely speculating privately.

In comment 13881933 djm said:

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In comment 13881797 AcidTest said: Quote: OK with Darnold at #2, but don't want to trade up for him. The cost would be exorbitant. I can't take this too costly argument anymore... Too costly? Was Eli too costly? If you have to have a guy you get that guy or run the risk of missing out on a game changing talent. The 2004 draft was loaded too. LOADED. And the Giants traded those oh so valuable chips to move up. They pissed off everyone in the process. Then won 2 super bowls. If you love Darnold or Rosen or anyone...fucking do it. Don't worry about the draft hounds that can't bear to lose 2-3 picks and screw up their stupid draft boards lined up in momma's basement.

I don't want Darnold, even at #2. I certainly wouldn't hate the pick, but I don't think any QB is worth the #2 pick.

In comment 13881944 GFAN52 said:

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In comment 13881933 djm said: Quote: In comment 13881797 AcidTest said: Quote: OK with Darnold at #2, but don't want to trade up for him. The cost would be exorbitant. I can't take this too costly argument anymore... Too costly? Was Eli too costly? If you have to have a guy you get that guy or run the risk of missing out on a game changing talent. The 2004 draft was loaded too. LOADED. And the Giants traded those oh so valuable chips to move up. They pissed off everyone in the process. Then won 2 super bowls. If you love Darnold or Rosen or anyone...fucking do it. Don't worry about the draft hounds that can't bear to lose 2-3 picks and screw up their stupid draft boards lined up in momma's basement. It's really a mute point anyway if Cleveland wants Darnold and won't consider any trade of their #1 pick.

mute??

I have no problem with moving up to get him. This years 1 and both 3rds for your QB of the next 10-15 yrs, no problem.

down the line but also extra draft capital to try and pull off a move to 1. If Darnold is the guy they want, they should absolutely go for it. You have no team without a QB and if they see one they want to rebuild around, you do whatever it takes. It worked out pretty damn well last time. Just not sure Cleveland will bite.

third round picks won't be nearly enough. Cleveland already has a ton of picks, Darnold is the consensus #1 QB, and the Browns have been in "QB hell" for decades. My guess is they wouldn't even listen to any offer that didn't include #2, our second round pick this year, and our first round pick next year.

That sounds like a good plan

In comment 13881806 Zepp said:

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They have 6 picks. They aren�t trading up. If its not Darnold then its gonna be Barkley or a massive haul to move down no further than 6. I can�t see how moving down to 12 makes sense in any scenario.

I see a lot of comments like this. Does the draft end at six? Every year the top guys in the draft become sensationalized due to the constant chatter. Just turn on the NFLN and they talk about the teams picking in the top 5 everyday and what they might do. A lot of hyperbole comes out of it.

It's fine to not want to move out of the top 6 but the 12th pick offers the Giants a lot of of good players. Top LBS, safeties and corners. All positions of need and of high importance. The top OT in the draft could be available at 12 as well. In a guy like Mcglinchey you could be drafting your starting RT and future LT.

Point being there is a lot of good players in the draft. If you want to stay in the top 5 that's fine but it's not ludicrous to move down to 12 IMO.

In comment 13881997 GFAN52 said:

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Jordan Raanan � Verified account @JordanRaanan Following Following @JordanRaanan More Jordan Raanan Retweeted LA Promotions Chris is onto something. Been saying for months Darnold is the only QB they�d take unless Gettleman disregards his scouts (which I guess is possible).

Great, Reese got the full blame for the fact that the NYG's draft intentions leaked like a sieve. Looks like some of the scouts like to talk too. That department will need a total rebuild after the draft. (Always wondered if short timer scouts would be more likely to leak to clutivate their outside relationships when they know they could be facing the ax.)

In comment 13881824 JonC said:

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Darnold or Barkley.

I'm not a professional scout but I've watched as much "tape" as I can on barkley.

Simply typing in Saquon Barkley Vs in youtube brings up a lot of videos showing every carry/touch in an individual game. I see a running back who despite having the size and measurable strength to do it go down easy when met at the line of scrimmage. Just not seeing the push the pile plays.

Now, perhaps because of his superior talent this was something he didnt have to do but I see a bigger Reggie Bush when watching these videos. Am I wrong?

In comment 13881997 GFAN52 said:

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Jordan Raanan ‏ Verified account @JordanRaanan Following Following @JordanRaanan More Jordan Raanan Retweeted LA Promotions Chris is onto something. Been saying for months Darnold is the only QB they�d take unless Gettleman disregards his scouts (which I guess is possible).

Slade said this in mid-December, before the Gettleman hire. I don't remember Raanan himself taking a firm position on this months ago but I'd be happy to be referred.

I thought that Slade post on Darnold rang true enough but he then followed it up with the post about Darnold staying at USC. That one shortly turned out to be false and trashed his credibility.

Giants want Darnold. Giants believe Cleveland likes Darnold but also Allen. Cleveland also wants their guy (whether it be Barkley or Chubb) at 4 and knows Giants are the only thing in the way of their missing out on that guy.

If Giants let it out that they like Darnold or <the player Cleveland covets at 4> Cleveland can ensure this by 1) taking Allen or 2) dealing back from 1 to 2.

Giants are hoping for 1 (Cleveland takes Allen) and are trying to help that one by letting on who they like. But do not rule out Giants at least considering trading up (offering their 2nd round, and the extra 3 from JPP trade will help to ease this) to make certain. I know this is unpopular, but if your QB is there and you have enough conviction in him, a 2nd round is not really that much.

In comment 13882094 AcidTest said:

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third round picks won't be nearly enough. Cleveland already has a ton of picks, Darnold is the consensus #1 QB, and the Browns have been in "QB hell" for decades. My guess is they wouldn't even listen to any offer that didn't include #2, our second round pick this year, and our first round pick next year.

Disagree. Last year the Bears swapped #1's, plus 2017 #2 & #4 plus 2018 #3 to move from 3 to 2. Perhaps the Giants would have to offer a 2019 #2 and one of the 2018 #3's, but certainly not 2019 #1.

Yep. QB is the whole deal and despite the 'Eli is our starter this season' mantra he's near the end of the road.

... they need to pursue a trade up. No difference from when they moved up for Eli. If the Browns want Darnold, oh well, nothing we can do about it. If they don't, the deal should get done. The Browns will be in a position to get their guy and more picks. They would be fk'n idiots to pass that up. Easy story to tell their fans. We wanted QB X and not Darnold. The Giants assured us they were selecting Darnold. And looks at all of these great picks!

In comment 13882175 Boy Cord said:

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... they need to pursue a trade up. No difference from when they moved up for Eli. If the Browns want Darnold, oh well, nothing we can do about it. If they don't, the deal should get done. The Browns will be in a position to get their guy and more picks. They would be fk'n idiots to pass that up. Easy story to tell their fans. We wanted QB X and not Darnold. The Giants assured us they were selecting Darnold. And looks at all of these great picks!

Other teams are willing to trade a lot more to have the opportunity to draft one of a few guys. I'm not saying they have the type of conviction, but if they did they should pull the trigger. Once of my biggest issues with Reese was that he always sat back and waited and selected a guy from whoever the draft handed him. And it has cost them. This is not a shot they expect to get a second chance at any time soon. So if you are that close to a guy you really like, you pull the trigger and don't look back.

....I believe the Giants will try and trade down.

It would be a "risk" not to take QB Rosen as he is polished and could learn under Eli. If the Giants were "out of playoff contention" with say 3 games to go, and you felt Rosen was ready, you let him START the last few games so you know what you have and he's better prepared to handle the STARTING job in 2019.

If the Jets are high on Rosen, they could try and trade with the Giants but my feeling is they don't have much ammunition to trade right now. ???

spill anything about who they like to Schefter, Mortensen, Canty, ....(please take no offense) JonC/Hitdog...etc?

This is way too important for this franchise, and sharing thoughts on prospects with media folks or former players seems like it should be a fireable offense. What's to gain by it...unless it is intentionally misleading.

Darnold, Chubb, Barkley, Rosen have been names floated for weeks now. Why?

There is plenty of evidence that he is the type of talent to justify the #1 pick. We should not discount the nonfootball factors: Sashi Brown was hammered by everyone for playing it too cute with the QB position; the owner sat with Darnold�s parents at his pro day; CLE fans and the franchise need a perception/attitude boost in the worst way; if they wait to #4 for QB no one will buy it if they say they got their #1. Fully expect them to either stay at #4 or swap with DEN and take the best non-QB not named Barkley. Darnold to NYG ain�t happening.

They probably know that Darnold is going 1, and are looking at Barkley, Nelson, or Chubb as possible guys at No. 2.

But maybe they'll trade down too. I got contacts you know.

Im fine with Darnold or trade back. As long as we don't take Barkley at 2. QB that we love or trade back.

Don't discount that Hue Jackson used to be an asst. coach at USC and still has many contacts at the school. Probably has more info on Darnold then most.

He guessed at 10 players for our 1st round pick last year and didn't get any of them right.

He has no idea what the scouting folks like.

In comment 13881997 GFAN52 said:

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Jordan Raanan ‏ Verified account @JordanRaanan Following Following @JordanRaanan More Jordan Raanan Retweeted LA Promotions Chris is onto something. Been saying for months Darnold is the only QB they�d take unless Gettleman disregards his scouts (which I guess is possible).

He clearly no understanding how this process works..

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In comment 13881824 JonC said: Quote: Darnold or Barkley. I'm not a professional scout but I've watched as much "tape" as I can on barkley. Simply typing in Saquon Barkley Vs in youtube brings up a lot of videos showing every carry/touch in an individual game. I see a running back who despite having the size and measurable strength to do it go down easy when met at the line of scrimmage. Just not seeing the push the pile plays. Now, perhaps because of his superior talent this was something he didnt have to do but I see a bigger Reggie Bush when watching these videos. Am I wrong?

No, you are not wrong.