I like his size. Rosen is the most polished, but his build really worries me.
He weighs more than Darnold
Not sure how. Darnled looks much thicker and more solid than Rosen. I know Rosen is a little taller, not sure where he weight is, his frame doesn't look as thick.
Per the Post, the Giants don't rank any of the QBs Â
Allen would be fourth on my list, and IMO is not worthy of the #2 pick in the draft; too much of a boom/bust risk factor IMO. This is one scenario that I would not be happy with. If they go QB, I would prefer Darnold.
I like his size. Rosen is the most polished, but his build really worries me.
He weighs more than Darnold
Not sure how. Darnled looks much thicker and more solid than Rosen. I know Rosen is a little taller, not sure where he weight is, his frame doesn't look as thick.
Whatever, he's much more solid than Eli. The scales don't lie. He's only 11 lbs less than Allen.
I love the idea of drafting someone with his size, skills and athleticism and pairing him with Shurmur and putting him behind Eli for a year.
How does accuracy factor in on busted plays, and scrambling towards the line of a scrimmage?
Not a comparison to Rogers but on busted plays GB practices WRs going to general areas and then combine that with Allen being able to throw it 70 yards.
They get paid to figure this out but if Allen’s weaknesses are minimized, coachable, more reps wow this could be a great pick... great upside...
I love the idea of drafting someone with his size, skills and athleticism and pairing him with Shurmur and putting him behind Eli for a year.
How does accuracy factor in on busted plays, and scrambling towards the line of a scrimmage?
Not a comparison to Rogers but on busted plays GB practices WRs going to general areas and then combine that with Allen being able to throw it 70 yards.
They get paid to figure this out but if Allen’s weaknesses are minimized, coachable, more reps wow this could be a great pick... great upside...
too many "ifs" here to expend a #2 overall. Sounds like a guy you take i n the 2nd or 3rd round, late 1st round if you want to reach.
but - I wouldn't be upset with Allen. There's something about a big armed, big bodied, quick footed QB from Wyoming that I like about throwing the ball in the Meadowlands come December...
Those SoCal boys scare me in NY...
RE: Allen does not equal Dave Brown. Jamarcus Russell maybe. Â
Russell had all the talent in the world, but no work ethic. That's what his problem is.
What's most attractive about Josh Allen, is that he has literally had to work his ass off to get everything that he has. He wasn't even scouted coming out of high school and played at a Junior College to get to Wyoming.
But I would be fine if they took Allen because that means they are convinced that his accuracy issues are related to mechanics and footwork. With that said I think there is almost no chance that Allen is in the conversation for the 2nd pick.
but prefer Darnold. If Darnold goes 1 and the Giants pick Allen I would not be that mad to be honest. It would speak volumes as to what Shurmer, Shula and Gettleman think of his potential and if anyone can tap into that potential it is Shurmer. I'd rather have him over Rosen and Mayfield. Right now the top 5 on my board is as follows:
that are concerned about his accuracy issues. I would much rather they take Rosen or Mayfield if Darnold goes number 1. But if they took him I would at least be happy they are looking to long term solutions to fixing this team and I would hope they can refine his passing with NFL coaching.
I think that would mean they thought the accuracy concerns were either overblown, or easily correctable. The fact that we have the luxury of sitting him for a year to learn from Eli and work with Shurmur and Shula means we may get close to that high ceiling the kid has.
If the Giants do draft any of the top QBs...including Mayfield or Jackson...I will be excited about it because it shows they have a conviction on the guy, and I trust them to evaluate QBs.
The guy is showing all the signs of a franchise QB.
Look at his progression since the end of the regular season - Bowl game - Senior Bowl - Combine. Continuous improving mechanics/footwork, to go along with his great arm.
I get it, accuracy was an issue. However, this is an attentive student that never had a QB coach until after his college career ended.
Give Shurmur/Shula the next 18 months with the guy and he'll be ready to start.
There are certain high points to Allen's game, but there are too many negatives to justify spending the 2nd overall pick on him given the current state of the franchise
I like his size. Rosen is the most polished, but his build really worries me.
He weighs more than Darnold
Not sure how. Darnled looks much thicker and more solid than Rosen. I know Rosen is a little taller, not sure where he weight is, his frame doesn't look as thick.
LOL.... "frame thickness"
Is this more or less important than grip strength?
To Josh Allen, I think Allen or Darnold would be fine, but those are the only two I would want. His measurable are just off the charts, and he is a high quality character. The size, speed, and arm strength combination along with his high character make this kid very desirable.
I think Josh Allen showed, at the Senior Bowl and the combine, that he is responsive to coaching. He can improve and I like his potential. Lots of upside.
He weighs more than Darnold
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I like his size. Rosen is the most polished, but his build really worries me.
He weighs more than Darnold
Not sure how. Darnled looks much thicker and more solid than Rosen. I know Rosen is a little taller, not sure where he weight is, his frame doesn't look as thick.
If that is true, I want no part of him.
#1 and leaves Darnold for us at 2.
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I like his size. Rosen is the most polished, but his build really worries me.
He weighs more than Darnold
Not sure how. Darnled looks much thicker and more solid than Rosen. I know Rosen is a little taller, not sure where he weight is, his frame doesn't look as thick.
Whatever, he's much more solid than Eli. The scales don't lie. He's only 11 lbs less than Allen.
If its in the post it HAS to be true.
#1 and leaves Darnold for us at 2.
That would be a stretch after Darnold's pro day, but I share your hope.
How does accuracy factor in on busted plays, and scrambling towards the line of a scrimmage?
Not a comparison to Rogers but on busted plays GB practices WRs going to general areas and then combine that with Allen being able to throw it 70 yards.
They get paid to figure this out but if Allen’s weaknesses are minimized, coachable, more reps wow this could be a great pick... great upside...
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I love the idea of drafting someone with his size, skills and athleticism and pairing him with Shurmur and putting him behind Eli for a year.
How does accuracy factor in on busted plays, and scrambling towards the line of a scrimmage?
Not a comparison to Rogers but on busted plays GB practices WRs going to general areas and then combine that with Allen being able to throw it 70 yards.
They get paid to figure this out but if Allen’s weaknesses are minimized, coachable, more reps wow this could be a great pick... great upside...
too many "ifs" here to expend a #2 overall. Sounds like a guy you take i n the 2nd or 3rd round, late 1st round if you want to reach.
Those SoCal boys scare me in NY...
Russell had all the talent in the world, but no work ethic. That's what his problem is.
What's most attractive about Josh Allen, is that he has literally had to work his ass off to get everything that he has. He wasn't even scouted coming out of high school and played at a Junior College to get to Wyoming.
Darnold
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Allen
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Russell's problem was work ethic. That's not Allen.
If the Giants do draft any of the top QBs...including Mayfield or Jackson...I will be excited about it because it shows they have a conviction on the guy, and I trust them to evaluate QBs.
Look at his progression since the end of the regular season - Bowl game - Senior Bowl - Combine. Continuous improving mechanics/footwork, to go along with his great arm.
I get it, accuracy was an issue. However, this is an attentive student that never had a QB coach until after his college career ended.
Give Shurmur/Shula the next 18 months with the guy and he'll be ready to start.
YES.
If the Giants trade with Buffalo, Darnold/Rosen/Allen will all be gone. That's the problem with trading out of the top 4 picks.
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I like his size. Rosen is the most polished, but his build really worries me.
He weighs more than Darnold
Not sure how. Darnled looks much thicker and more solid than Rosen. I know Rosen is a little taller, not sure where he weight is, his frame doesn't look as thick.
LOL.... "frame thickness"
Is this more or less important than grip strength?