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How are pro days meaningful?

Dave in PA : 3/23/2018 10:40 am
Serious question. Each prospect has hours upon hours of game tape. What could a no pads, no competition exhibition possibly do to change the opinion of a scout, coach or general manager?
pro day..  
Goin Deep : 3/23/2018 10:46 am : link
another step in the evaluation process. It doesn't hurt.
You want to get to know the players  
UberAlias : 3/23/2018 10:49 am : link
Tape is just tape.
Its also part  
Beer Man : 3/23/2018 10:50 am : link
of the poker game
RE: You want to get to know the players  
Dave in PA : 3/23/2018 10:58 am : link
In comment 13882122 UberAlias said:
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Tape is just tape.
I agree, but as my HS coach used to say “the eye in the sky don’t lie”. Game tape is reality
RE: pro day..  
Section331 : 3/23/2018 11:02 am : link
In comment 13882113 Goin Deep said:
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another step in the evaluation process. It doesn't hurt.


Exactly. A pro day will merely answer any lingering questions you have about a prospect - if a QB, can he make all of the throws needed to be a good NFL QB, and to be able to interview them.

A pro day isn’t likely to change a team’s draft board unless the guy flames out. If a team picks a guy who had a great pro day, it is because they already had him highly rated.
RE: RE: You want to get to know the players  
UberAlias : 3/23/2018 11:07 am : link
In comment 13882144 Dave in PA said:
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Tape is just tape.

I agree, but as my HS coach used to say “the eye in the sky don’t lie”. Game tape is reality
It doesn't lie, but it is hardly perfect either. You can't get to know a player's personality from watching on tape. There are also impressions that you cannot get from watching on film. Have you ever been to training camp where you are there close to the players? I have and have left at times coming away with observations such as --so and so is massive, a lot bigger than I had realized, another player's speed jumps out at you when seeing him live and up close, etc.

Its like talking on the phone to someone verses face to face. Information is not complete.
I ask why is it so hard to understand?  
Miamijints : 3/23/2018 11:07 am : link
You watch U2 in a music video or stand in a U2 studio session a few feet away? It is simple as that. Seeing a prospect up close and personal is invaluable. Can you tell the prospect to do something on the spot for you on tape? At the Combine? No.
Teddy Bridgewater...  
bw in dc : 3/23/2018 11:08 am : link
had one of the worst pro day workouts a QB has ever had. By some accounts, it was historically bad for a QB. Yet, he still snuck into the first round with Minnesota trading up to get him.

So a pro day probably has some weight in the process, but I don't think it's anywhere near as vital as the tape, performance and the interview...

RE: I ask why is it so hard to understand?  
UberAlias : 3/23/2018 11:08 am : link
In comment 13882160 Miamijints said:
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You watch U2 in a music video or stand in a U2 studio session a few feet away? It is simple as that. Seeing a prospect up close and personal is invaluable. Can you tell the prospect to do something on the spot for you on tape? At the Combine? No.
Ding ding.
Seeing a guy live is hugely important  
Vanzetti : 3/23/2018 11:17 am : link
Especially for QBs
Basically useless - its just a chance for the player to show  
PatersonPlank : 3/23/2018 11:17 am : link
themselves in their best possible light. I don't think it matters much to scouts. The private workouts, game tape, and combine all mean a lot more.
RE: Basically useless - its just a chance for the player to show  
UberAlias : 3/23/2018 11:20 am : link
In comment 13882181 PatersonPlank said:
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themselves in their best possible light. I don't think it matters much to scouts. The private workouts, game tape, and combine all mean a lot more.
I beg to differ. You don't send the top guys in your organization's decision making structure to something if you saw it as "basically useless".
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AcidTest : 3/23/2018 11:27 am : link
In comment 13882149 Section331 said:
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another step in the evaluation process. It doesn't hurt.



Exactly. A pro day will merely answer any lingering questions you have about a prospect - if a QB, can he make all of the throws needed to be a good NFL QB, and to be able to interview them.

A pro day isn’t likely to change a team’s draft board unless the guy flames out. If a team picks a guy who had a great pro day, it is because they already had him highly rated.


+2.
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HitSquad : 3/23/2018 11:30 am : link
Pro days are great for gauging a player's coach-ability. Teams get to have their coaching staff run players through drills.

Also, if an injury causes a player to miss the combine, the Pro Day is a second opportunity to do the pre-draft workout.
Bill Belichick Coaches Bradley Chubb at NC State Pro Day - ( New Window )
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