I rarely watch ESPN anymore but flipped on ESPN2 to see what was up with Josh Allen quickly and heard McShay say this. Then saw the Canty thread. Then saw this article headline "'Expectation' is that Darnold, Rosen, Allen won't be ranked in Giants' Top 3" (Article cited).
So is this the definition of a smokescreen or does everyone think this is the direction the Giants are trending. My perspective is.. If they didn't want a QB, why make it so obvious. Is it just that hard to keep a lid on things in the age of information?
No one knows but just a food for thought thread
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I believe what you are referring to is speculation by those covering the team.
Either that, or it is the biggest smokescreen in NFL draft history.
I believe what you are referring to is speculation by those covering the team.
It's a McShay quote hence the quotations and information listed inside the thread. Premise like I said is this an obvious smokescreen or not
Concur...100%
I know what JonC has heard - and I am not saying he is wrong (I certainly have no information to suggest that) - but I continue to have a hard time believing that the Giants will pass up a QB when they are in such a prime position to do so. Gettleman and Shurmur will not tie their long term successes on Eli, even if they do think he can play well this year. Ultimately, they did not draft Webb, and they need a long term replacement. And in case you wonder if they think Webb is really the answer, just look at how they are jettisoning every player from the old regime.
The beat writers have been wrong on just about everything this year. Gettleman plugged the leaks, and he is releasing the info he wants out there. Simple as that. I don't think he believes picking Barkley at 2 is in the best long term interest of the Giants, and no one here can convince me otherwise. And if he does select Barkley, I will be convinced that he was the wrong man for this job.
By taking Allen at 1 and letting Darnold slip to NYG at 2.
I know what JonC has heard - and I am not saying he is wrong (I certainly have no information to suggest that) - but I continue to have a hard time believing that the Giants will pass up a QB when they are in such a prime position to do so. Gettleman and Shurmur will not tie their long term successes on Eli, even if they do think he can play well this year. Ultimately, they did not draft Webb, and they need a long term replacement. And in case you wonder if they think Webb is really the answer, just look at how they are jettisoning every player from the old regime.
The beat writers have been wrong on just about everything this year. Gettleman plugged the leaks, and he is releasing the info he wants out there. Simple as that. I don't think he believes picking Barkley at 2 is in the best long term interest of the Giants, and no one here can convince me otherwise. And if he does select Barkley, I will be convinced that he was the wrong man for this job.
You're making an assumption here that they didn't come into their jobs with marching orders on how this will be handled. I'm not sure that's the case.
We might have come around to where we were a month ago...Darnold could potentially be the only QB they are interested in.
Everything Gettleman has done to this point is totally independent of the upcoming draft.
The Giants won't say what they're gonna do, primarily because they don't even know yet.
Maybe Gettleman's draft history might telegraph his biases (picking RBs high, never ever trading down), but it's all educated guesses for now.
The process remains fluid.
The beat writers have been wrong on just about everything this year. Gettleman plugged the leaks, and he is releasing the info he wants out there. Simple as that. I don't think he believes picking Barkley at 2 is in the best long term interest of the Giants, and no one here can convince me otherwise. And if he does select Barkley, I will be convinced that he was the wrong man for this job.
I agree with this for the most part. My only difference is that as much as I am in favor of taking a QB, if Gettleman truly doesn't think there are franchise qbs in this draft or at least one at the second spot, he shouldn't force a pick. We pay him to make these decisions, and if its best guess that they are just not worthy than I have to give him the benefit of the doubt until proven wrong. If that is the case, though, just trade down and pick Chubb or Nelson. Barkley would probably be a waste for us for 2-3 years and we would be paying him big money in relation to other rbs to boot.
Everything Gettleman has done to this point is totally independent of the upcoming draft.
The Giants won't say what they're gonna do, primarily because they don't even know yet.
Maybe Gettleman's draft history might telegraph his biases (picking RBs high, never ever trading down), but it's all educated guesses for now.
The process remains fluid.
This is a great post and how I have always felt about any team. Unless you're picking one,
(And even in cases when picking first) the process should remain fluid. The draft experts get paid to dig up the dirt otherwise but it's fluff. Just find it hard to believe that most are saying with certainty that the Giants won't take a QB/don't have them ranked top 3
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The report is they would take Darnold but not the others. And earlier this morning the reports from Schefter and others is the Giants are blowing it up and rebuilding, not retooling, which suggests they would go QB, not another position.
I know what JonC has heard - and I am not saying he is wrong (I certainly have no information to suggest that) - but I continue to have a hard time believing that the Giants will pass up a QB when they are in such a prime position to do so. Gettleman and Shurmur will not tie their long term successes on Eli, even if they do think he can play well this year. Ultimately, they did not draft Webb, and they need a long term replacement. And in case you wonder if they think Webb is really the answer, just look at how they are jettisoning every player from the old regime.
The beat writers have been wrong on just about everything this year. Gettleman plugged the leaks, and he is releasing the info he wants out there. Simple as that. I don't think he believes picking Barkley at 2 is in the best long term interest of the Giants, and no one here can convince me otherwise. And if he does select Barkley, I will be convinced that he was the wrong man for this job.
You're making an assumption here that they didn't come into their jobs with marching orders on how this will be handled. I'm not sure that's the case.
That is fair. And if Mara is hamstringing them and butting into football business like this, then this ship will sink. But I don't know that Gettleman would agree to be part of a front office like that, nor do I think Shurmur would put his last head coaching opportunity on a QB he doesn't like. If he does like Webb, so be it.
In any event, it was Mara who ordered Reese and the other scouts to scout the top QBs in this year's draft. It would be hard for me to believe that now he is ordering that they move forward that a complete unknown in Webb.
Everything Gettleman has done to this point is totally independent of the upcoming draft.
The Giants won't say what they're gonna do, primarily because they don't even know yet.
Maybe Gettleman's draft history might telegraph his biases (picking RBs high, never ever trading down), but it's all educated guesses for now.
The process remains fluid.
it's just guesses. Regular, out of our butts guesses. That's all.
2. The leaking sources likely have their own views, and much of the leaked information likely reflects the views of the sources more than the decision makers.
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The report is they would take Darnold but not the others. And earlier this morning the reports from Schefter and others is the Giants are blowing it up and rebuilding, not retooling, which suggests they would go QB, not another position.
I know what JonC has heard - and I am not saying he is wrong (I certainly have no information to suggest that) - but I continue to have a hard time believing that the Giants will pass up a QB when they are in such a prime position to do so. Gettleman and Shurmur will not tie their long term successes on Eli, even if they do think he can play well this year. Ultimately, they did not draft Webb, and they need a long term replacement. And in case you wonder if they think Webb is really the answer, just look at how they are jettisoning every player from the old regime.
The beat writers have been wrong on just about everything this year. Gettleman plugged the leaks, and he is releasing the info he wants out there. Simple as that. I don't think he believes picking Barkley at 2 is in the best long term interest of the Giants, and no one here can convince me otherwise. And if he does select Barkley, I will be convinced that he was the wrong man for this job.
You're making an assumption here that they didn't come into their jobs with marching orders on how this will be handled. I'm not sure that's the case.
That is fair. And if Mara is hamstringing them and butting into football business like this, then this ship will sink. But I don't know that Gettleman would agree to be part of a front office like that, nor do I think Shurmur would put his last head coaching opportunity on a QB he doesn't like. If he does like Webb, so be it.
In any event, it was Mara who ordered Reese and the other scouts to scout the top QBs in this year's draft. It would be hard for me to believe that now he is ordering that they move forward that a complete unknown in Webb.
Exactly. It was obvious to me that Webb did not play in the final 4 games because Spags was trying to save his job. Yet Mara signed off on the benching of Eli and like you said, gave the direct order to heavily scout the top QBs coming out this year. Reese was at the UCLA-USC game. It sure sounds to me like he is ready to find the next guy, but maybe Gettleman will convince him otherwise.
It's probably nearly impossible but there's no downside to trying either
I believe what you are referring to is speculation by those covering the team.
That doesn't really happen anymore - for two reasons: 1) the draft slots are basically locked in, so there isn't much meaningful negotiation to be had; 2) the NFL frowns on having the first pick leak out before the draft starts.
maybe misread...but if your instinct says there is no smokescreen then you shouldn't be surprised at all. Your surprise would be your preference not theirs.
Maybe, maybe not. I would hope our guys have prepared themselves well in advance of their views so that they can also be ready to assess trade offers efficiently to set up their remaining draft board...
That is fair. And if Mara is hamstringing them and butting into football business like this, then this ship will sink. But I don't know that Gettleman would agree to be part of a front office like that, nor do I think Shurmur would put his last head coaching opportunity on a QB he doesn't like. If he does like Webb, so be it.
In any event, it was Mara who ordered Reese and the other scouts to scout the top QBs in this year's draft. It would be hard for me to believe that now he is ordering that they move forward that a complete unknown in Webb.
Exactly. It was obvious to me that Webb did not play in the final 4 games because Spags was trying to save his job. Yet Mara signed off on the benching of Eli and like you said, gave the direct order to heavily scout the top QBs coming out this year. Reese was at the UCLA-USC game. It sure sounds to me like he is ready to find the next guy, but maybe Gettleman will convince him otherwise.
My perception (and it's all reading tea leaves, admittedly) is that Mara was fully involved/in the loop on everything pre-Eli benching. So yes, he did want to scout QBs and evaluate the guys on their roster. And then....
It all blew up in his face. And he took major criticism for the way things went down with Eli. And in response, he seemed to completely over correct. There is simply no way an owner that was interested in evaluating for the future (who also is bringing in a new GM) let's an interim coach not even play the young QB in the situation they were in. Some say Spags was coaching for his job. I think he was just doing what he was told (i.e., Eli plays the rest of the way). And I think DG and Shurmur were maybe asked, "Can you make this work with Eli?". And the fact that both said yes was part of why they're here.
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Very, very hard for me to buy that.
Maybe, maybe not. I would hope our guys have prepared themselves well in advance of their views so that they can also be ready to assess trade offers efficiently to set up their remaining draft board...
Sure, but you often hear stories of teams still debating picks while they're on the clock. There's a story from back in Accorsi's day of Jerry Reese banging the table in the war room because he was sold on Osi Umenyiora.
No they're nooooooooot!
The only thing anyone knows for sure is that drafting Barkley with the #2 overall pick would be the height of stupidity. He is a media darling because the league needed a non-QB to promote and he was by far the most marketable. It's a lot more exciting showing clips of big runs than it is showing clips of blocking and tackling. Don't the agents and TV execs dictate your wish list!
Since Giant fans haven't seen that happen for about a decade we very well might...
The 2nd pick in the draft is a personal challenge for this regime, and they will answer it loudly---i don't believe they will duck opportunity.
RB's are 5 year plans---QB's are 10 year plans..Legacies. That will heavily influence them toward a QB
Which one? Or not a Qb?
They follow a process. They are still scouting and assessing. We know this because we have pictures of them scouting. And they will be few a few weeks.
Can anyone prove they have even moved on to the next step of evaluating and rank ordering possible draftees for their first board? Their second draft? Third internal review at their board?
Then taken offers?
There is a huge difference in decision calculus in evaluating offers after your board is done and so is everyone else's.
Out here we want them done. Inside...they would be foolish to consider our needs.
They dont know yet. Is it a decent projection to guess QB. Sure. Is it based on anything the Giants know?
What they know right now is the scouting and assessment schedule for next week.
Imo. Sucks to wait when you care but have no control