interview with Mayock was very good...seems like a great/humble kid. Mentioned multiple times the teammates and coaches who helped him along the way to get better. That's a key sign for a face of a franchise
Unparalleled arm strength, improving footwork and mechanics and can run as well as almost anyone at the QB position. Throws unbelievably well on the run. Has a lot of Carson Wentz in him. And he has played with inferior surrounding players his whole life (small high school; Wyoming; his group of WR's/TE/FB today, etc.), other than during the Senior Bowl, where he kicked ass.
He himself attributes his accuracy issues with getting his feet right. Anyone who has watched him - Do you see an improvement since he started working with Chris Palmer? I know it is a short window since Mobile and his pro-day today, but as a comparison you would like to see his uptake/improvement as a result of proper coaching. With Eli starting this year and Allen sitting behind and learning/improving his technique, he could be special. I'm intrigued by the guy. I still favor Rosen.
"Josh Allen is the best quarterback in this draft. I think all of the talk about his accuracy is the most overblown thing out there. His guys don't get open, which causes a lot of the incompletions -- it's not an accuracy issue." -- NFC executive NFL.com - ( New Window )
but if we were to take a QB in the first they wouldn't start this year (or maybe next year) anyway, so I wouldn't freak if the Giants took him.
If coached well (our coach is good with QBs) he has by far the most physical potential to work with. He just won't be ready as soon as Darnold or Rosen.
but if we were to take a QB in the first they wouldn't start this year (or maybe next year) anyway, so I wouldn't freak if the Giants took him.
If coached well (our coach is good with QBs) he has by far the most physical potential to work with. He just won't be ready as soon as Darnold or Rosen.
Put him in the Shurmur Lab of Learning and I bet the finished product could be sensational...
but if we were to take a QB in the first they wouldn't start this year (or maybe next year) anyway, so I wouldn't freak if the Giants took him.
If coached well (our coach is good with QBs) he has by far the most physical potential to work with. He just won't be ready as soon as Darnold or Rosen.
I agree if we didn’t hire an offensive coordinator like Shurmur as our head coach I’d be more concerned but with Shula and Shurmur coaching him and learning behind Eli it might be a good situation for him. I wouldn’t mind Rosen as well who I think is ranked in my view above Allen either.
but what do i know. I will be really happy with any of the top 3 or a trade down. Lots of good options this year, its good to be at 2 and get to decide your own fate, only thing better would be #1.
RE: I had heard that he didn't have a QB coach at Wyoming. Â
He himself attributes his accuracy issues with getting his feet right. Anyone who has watched him - Do you see an improvement since he started working with Chris Palmer? I know it is a short window since Mobile and his pro-day today, but as a comparison you would like to see his uptake/improvement as a result of proper coaching. With Eli starting this year and Allen sitting behind and learning/improving his technique, he could be special. I'm intrigued by the guy. I still favor Rosen.
he’s improved tremendously since Wyoming’s Bowl game. Daniel Jeremiah even said he can’t remember the last time he’s seen a WB make such marked improvement over the course of a draft offseason.
there was a very notable difference with his throwing at the combine. And not having a QB coach would explain why he locks onto receivers and doesn’t read defenses well. To me his strongest selling point ( excluding his arm) is his personality, how he carries himself, his work ethic. There are a lot of Great intangibles here.
RE: RE: I had heard that he didn't have a QB coach at Wyoming. Â
He himself attributes his accuracy issues with getting his feet right. Anyone who has watched him - Do you see an improvement since he started working with Chris Palmer? I know it is a short window since Mobile and his pro-day today, but as a comparison you would like to see his uptake/improvement as a result of proper coaching. With Eli starting this year and Allen sitting behind and learning/improving his technique, he could be special. I'm intrigued by the guy. I still favor Rosen.
he’s improved tremendously since Wyoming’s Bowl game. Daniel Jeremiah even said he can’t remember the last time he’s seen a WB make such marked improvement over the course of a draft offseason.
Thank you. To me that proves his willingness to be coached and to put what he's learned into action. He is an intriguing prospect.
and they were discussing Allen's pro-day. Brian Billick offered up the comparison to Kyle Boller. He used his experience as a word of caution. He and his scouts overlooked the low completion % by attributing it to the lack of talent surrounding Kyle. He countered that the potential and ceiling is what organizations fall in love with, but look out for the floor. With such a caveat, he would not take the risk within the top 5 (Mayock said he would be surprised if Allen isn't taken in the top 5).
Taped Allen' pro day. Gotta tell you, I was blown away. Wow.Arm strength isn't everything but if you can mold this guy he will be great.
That's the thing with Allen. You will look at his stats and you will stay "STAY AWAY!" Then you will actually watch him play and his arm strength and athleticism leaves you in awe. He is such a huge risk but the upside is immense. I would take Darnold and Rosen over him but if the Giants did draft Allen I wouldn't be upset at all.
All those speaking of Allen s inaccuracies
joeinpa : 5:04 pm : link : reply
Seem to skirt Eli similar issues
The inaccuracy discussion has to do with the fact that there has been hardly any successful QB's to come out since 2000 with a completion % in college below 58%.
And by successful, David Garrard is the pinnacle.
Eli had a higher completion % in college than Allen - he broke the 60% barrier at least. 60.8%
I think Josh Allen would be a better fit for playing in the windy conditions of the Meadowlands as opposed to Darnold and Rosen. Warm weather QBs who don't have great arm strength would probaby be better in a dome or other warm weather conditions, but thats just my opinion. Josh Allen has that big arm which should work better piercing through the fall/winter winds at Metlife.
Look at BBI’s hero Elisha Manning. Great family of QB play - the Arch and Peyton. Some of the best coaching in the world for QBs....Cutcliffe, Coughlin, Gilbride. And he’s been surrounded by great skill players - Plax, Nicks, Smith, Shockey, Cruz, OBJ, etc.
Yet our hero is < 60% for his career.
Allen on the other hand hasn’t. He’s more skilled than Elisha and is eager to learn. Once he gets around the better coaching and the luxury of better talent, I feel good this accuracy issue will be put to rest...
that it isn't based on Pro completion %. It isn't based on completion % from the 80's and 90's.
For collegiate QB's coming out since 2000, nobody has excelled with less than 58% in college. David Garrard is the best of the bunch.
I can't believe you are still flogging that so-called "study." Even assuming there was any validity whatsoever to that mess, Allen missed the mythical "cut" by six completions.
No GM in his right mind would take that silly fan exercise seriously, and would have expected you to be smarter than that.
that it isn't based on Pro completion %. It isn't based on completion % from the 80's and 90's.
For collegiate QB's coming out since 2000, nobody has excelled with less than 58% in college. David Garrard is the best of the bunch.
I’m not. I’ll double check, but I can’t think of a QB since 2000 who will be drafted as high as Allen having played with such inferior talent...That’s an enormous factor here driving the results. You can’t just assume everyone is starting from the same baseline. I’m sure Allen would enjoy playing for Oklahoma and their superior talent against the Big12 dishwasher defenses...
that it isn't based on Pro completion %. It isn't based on completion % from the 80's and 90's.
For collegiate QB's coming out since 2000, nobody has excelled with less than 58% in college. David Garrard is the best of the bunch.
I’m not. I’ll double check, but I can’t think of a QB since 2000 who will be drafted as high as Allen having played with such inferior talent...That’s an enormous factor here driving the results. You can’t just assume everyone is starting from the same baseline. I’m sure Allen would enjoy playing for Oklahoma and their superior talent against the Big12 dishwasher defenses...
And it's not just the relative talent. It's the relative schemes.
The completion % is absolutely a red flag but it's completely overblown imo if you watch his game tape. Accuracy is not Allen's strength but more importantly it's not some fatal flaw.
RE: Eli Manning first 3 years starting including SB year Â
All we heard from fans that time, that will improve he will get better. He did and so can Allen.
People look for the flaws to support their position! But your point is spot on. Most of these players are going to develop yet we expect there to no areas of improvement coming from college.
I’d be good with Darnold, Rosen or Allen. Allen’s athleticism and arm strength are very appealling. Couple him with Shurm and it only gets better.
The WRs ran out of gas on the scramble drills, and pulled up and kind of lost the ball.
I think NFL receivers do a better job of locating the ball. It's something they do in drills at the combine.
Not really. He was throwing 70+ yards and the recievers had a hard time keeping up and adjusting. NFL WRs would have had most of them
Slow WRs.
No you didn't.
Just leave already. You bring nothing to the table. Go away troll.
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He looks great in shorts but horribly inaccurate in games. I watched a ton of Wyoming football.
Just leave already. You bring nothing to the table. Go away troll.
I did watch a lot of Allen, Rosen, and Darnold once the Giants went downhill. Allen is just not accurate. Sorry.
Sophmore 63.5%
Junior 58.0%
Senior 62.4%
Josh Allen
Freshman: 66.7%
Sophmore: 56.0%
Junior : 56.3%
Love him as a prospect with Shurmur and a year behind Eli.
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He looks great in shorts but horribly inaccurate in games. I watched a ton of Wyoming football.
No you didn't.
LOL...in the poster's defense, it's possible to watch quite a few games online...youtube and my guess is they stream Wyoming games.
Michigan football, Ohio State foobtall, USC football, Miami football, Wyoming football, Texas football, etc... ;)
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If coached well (our coach is good with QBs) he has by far the most physical potential to work with. He just won't be ready as soon as Darnold or Rosen.
If coached well (our coach is good with QBs) he has by far the most physical potential to work with. He just won't be ready as soon as Darnold or Rosen.
Put him in the Shurmur Lab of Learning and I bet the finished product could be sensational...
Or just draft him for Hail Mary's... ;)
If coached well (our coach is good with QBs) he has by far the most physical potential to work with. He just won't be ready as soon as Darnold or Rosen.
I agree if we didn’t hire an offensive coordinator like Shurmur as our head coach I’d be more concerned but with Shula and Shurmur coaching him and learning behind Eli it might be a good situation for him. I wouldn’t mind Rosen as well who I think is ranked in my view above Allen either.
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He himself attributes his accuracy issues with getting his feet right. Anyone who has watched him - Do you see an improvement since he started working with Chris Palmer? I know it is a short window since Mobile and his pro-day today, but as a comparison you would like to see his uptake/improvement as a result of proper coaching. With Eli starting this year and Allen sitting behind and learning/improving his technique, he could be special. I'm intrigued by the guy. I still favor Rosen.
he’s improved tremendously since Wyoming’s Bowl game. Daniel Jeremiah even said he can’t remember the last time he’s seen a WB make such marked improvement over the course of a draft offseason.
Thank you. To me that proves his willingness to be coached and to put what he's learned into action. He is an intriguing prospect.
Eli circa 2007-8? or Eli circa 2017-18?
No he didn't have close to the arm talent that Allen has. Where do people come up with this shit?
That's the thing with Allen. You will look at his stats and you will stay "STAY AWAY!" Then you will actually watch him play and his arm strength and athleticism leaves you in awe. He is such a huge risk but the upside is immense. I would take Darnold and Rosen over him but if the Giants did draft Allen I wouldn't be upset at all.
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He looks great in shorts but horribly inaccurate in games. I watched a ton of Wyoming football.
Why and how? If you live in Flushing, how the fuck do you get so many Wyoming games? And why are you watching them?
IGNORE THE TROLL
joeinpa : 5:04 pm : link : reply
Seem to skirt Eli similar issues
The inaccuracy discussion has to do with the fact that there has been hardly any successful QB's to come out since 2000 with a completion % in college below 58%.
And by successful, David Garrard is the pinnacle.
Eli had a higher completion % in college than Allen - he broke the 60% barrier at least. 60.8%
Meanwhile the guy that's a natural, smooth, accurate touch passer with a very live arm and thinks at an NFL level isn't impressive enough for some.
Seen this movie before.
Yet our hero is < 60% for his career.
Allen on the other hand hasn’t. He’s more skilled than Elisha and is eager to learn. Once he gets around the better coaching and the luxury of better talent, I feel good this accuracy issue will be put to rest...
For collegiate QB's coming out since 2000, nobody has excelled with less than 58% in college. David Garrard is the best of the bunch.
For collegiate QB's coming out since 2000, nobody has excelled with less than 58% in college. David Garrard is the best of the bunch.
No GM in his right mind would take that silly fan exercise seriously, and would have expected you to be smarter than that.
For collegiate QB's coming out since 2000, nobody has excelled with less than 58% in college. David Garrard is the best of the bunch.
I’m not. I’ll double check, but I can’t think of a QB since 2000 who will be drafted as high as Allen having played with such inferior talent...That’s an enormous factor here driving the results. You can’t just assume everyone is starting from the same baseline. I’m sure Allen would enjoy playing for Oklahoma and their superior talent against the Big12 dishwasher defenses...
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that it isn't based on Pro completion %. It isn't based on completion % from the 80's and 90's.
For collegiate QB's coming out since 2000, nobody has excelled with less than 58% in college. David Garrard is the best of the bunch.
I’m not. I’ll double check, but I can’t think of a QB since 2000 who will be drafted as high as Allen having played with such inferior talent...That’s an enormous factor here driving the results. You can’t just assume everyone is starting from the same baseline. I’m sure Allen would enjoy playing for Oklahoma and their superior talent against the Big12 dishwasher defenses...
And it's not just the relative talent. It's the relative schemes.
The completion % is absolutely a red flag but it's completely overblown imo if you watch his game tape. Accuracy is not Allen's strength but more importantly it's not some fatal flaw.
2006 57.7%
2007 56.1%
Rookie year 7 games started 48.2%
All we heard from fans that time, that will improve he will get better. He did and so can Allen.
People look for the flaws to support their position! But your point is spot on. Most of these players are going to develop yet we expect there to no areas of improvement coming from college.
I’d be good with Darnold, Rosen or Allen. Allen’s athleticism and arm strength are very appealling. Couple him with Shurm and it only gets better.