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Giants don't have a great 1st round draft track record

giantsFC : 3/23/2018 2:30 pm
I just went looking up their draft Hx for another post. It's pretty depressing.

Based on modern round 1 success, they probably should draft a QB, pass rushing DE/LB or offensive lineman w their first pick.

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60% 1st round bust rate  
giantsFC : 3/23/2018 4:42 pm : link
even giving you Hilliard and Ross.

What is the nfl average?
STOP  
giantsFC : 3/23/2018 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13883129 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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non-homer view??

LOL. Hakeem Nicks was a bust?

And we now have a new label - injury bust?? I guess being a non-homer also means that you just like to make up new terms to fit a narrative.

Great. You should have stopped with the OP which was a vapid, terrible post. Now you are just doubling-down on the stupid.


now you are just trolling. I'm just putting out the facts.

Go take your anger out on your wife or something. I'm out its the weekend.
This guy is a total dumpster fire of a poster  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/23/2018 4:46 pm : link
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one more thing  
giantsFC : 3/23/2018 4:46 pm : link
So in your eyes a 1st round pick who under performs because of career injuries isn't a bust??

So next time you go yapping away to everyone else about other teams' busts...make you sure you practice what you preach.

so in your eyes Greg Oden isn't a bust.

RE: This guy is a total dumpster fire of a poster  
giantsFC : 3/23/2018 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13883140 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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then don't comment on it.

Glad your posts are so much more intriguing.
I'm the one..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/23/2018 4:48 pm : link
who is trolling??

You actually called our 1st round draft rate as depressing, despite the fact the giants have hit on more first rounders than most teams. Not by my metrics, but by most analysts.

I only know of grades for players since 2000 (not 1990), but the Giants were ranked 7th for the 1st rounders. They actually were graded 29th for rounds 3-7 butr that wasn't your point.

That's depressing.

By the way, what fucking facts have you presented??
Ross, Kiwi, Hilliard went around  
Bill L : 3/23/2018 4:54 pm : link
Telling people how handsome and smart they were? That’s just too odd.
the same  
giantsFC : 3/23/2018 4:54 pm : link
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type of subjective facts you are presenting. Grades? really. the most subjective form of opinion in the modern sports world. what is this a video game?

You are one of dem board dictators huh? your way or its the moron way?

Whatever makes you happy. go have a wank to your trolling. I'll stick w my opinion. thanks for your keen & non insulting at all insight to my post.




Actually..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/23/2018 4:57 pm : link
I wasn't talking about me putting up facts, I was referring to this brilliant shit nugget from you:

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now you are just trolling. I'm just putting out the facts.


You haven't posted one fucking fact in this thread. You started with a ridiculous OP, calling the 1st rounders depressing and found a way to go downhill from the bottom of a crater.
RE: the same  
therealmf : 3/23/2018 4:58 pm : link
In comment 13883159 giantsFC said:
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type of subjective facts you are presenting. Grades? really. the most subjective form of opinion in the modern sports world. what is this a video game?

You are one of dem board dictators huh? your way or its the moron way?

Whatever makes you happy. go have a wank to your trolling. I'll stick w my opinion. thanks for your keen & non insulting at all insight to my post.





Someone is butt hurting.

I guess that is what happens when you put your head up your ass.
injuries  
Thegratefulhead : 3/23/2018 5:00 pm : link
Can't really count them as a bust unless there was injury history we ignored. I am not FMIC biggest fan but he is spot on here. We actually have done well in first rounds.
This isn’t really my argument  
Bill L : 3/23/2018 5:02 pm : link
But I don’t think many (normal) people would call a person with an injury a bust. I mean I wouldn’t. I consider a bust to be someone who didn’t perform either per their draft pick or even as an nfl player. It, that’s based on performance. If a guy gets injured and his career derailed, I wouldn’t say that’s a bust. It’s unfortunate, yeah but bust isn’t right.

And, if you’re using injury as a debate point to prove that the team cannot draft well, then I think that’s pretty asinine.
I'm not using injury as the debate  
giantsFC : 3/23/2018 5:06 pm : link
because being drafted 1st round and not reaching expectations for ANY reason is bust to majority of people.

I wouldn't have posted the thread if I didn't go and look at all the fails.

Dicator in Charlotte  
giantsFC : 3/23/2018 5:09 pm : link
In comment 13883166 therealmf said:
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Someone is butt hurting.

I guess that is what happens when you put your head up your ass.


bend over and let me know if its true.
Injuries are not idincative of their drafting ability  
Bill L : 3/23/2018 5:10 pm : link
Unless you’re in a fortune teller of psychic league.

Do *you* believe we play in a fortune teller or psychic league?
RE: Dicator in Charlotte  
therealmf : 3/23/2018 5:11 pm : link
In comment 13883187 giantsFC said:
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Someone is butt hurting.

I guess that is what happens when you put your head up your ass.



bend over and let me know if its true.


LOL
RE: Injuries are not idincative of their drafting ability  
giantsFC : 3/23/2018 5:14 pm : link
In comment 13883189 Bill L said:
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Unless you’re in a fortune teller of psychic league.

Do *you* believe we play in a fortune teller or psychic league?


no i agree about that. trust me when i know about injuries and it's not anyone's fault but luck and genetics.

but it's still a bust for a 1st round pick. they didn't reach the level of franchise worth that that pick is valued at.

you can then also argue that many guys weren't busts because they dealt with mental illness and substance abuse issues.





RE: RE: Injuries are not idincative of their drafting ability  
GFAN52 : 3/23/2018 5:16 pm : link
In comment 13883201 giantsFC said:
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In comment 13883189 Bill L said:


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Unless you’re in a fortune teller of psychic league.

Do *you* believe we play in a fortune teller or psychic league?



no i agree about that. trust me when i know about injuries and it's not anyone's fault but luck and genetics.

but it's still a bust for a 1st round pick. they didn't reach the level of franchise worth that that pick is valued at.

you can then also argue that many guys weren't busts because they dealt with mental illness and substance abuse issues.






So what's the solution?
RE: RE: Injuries are not idincative of their drafting ability  
therealmf : 3/23/2018 5:16 pm : link
In comment 13883201 giantsFC said:
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In comment 13883189 Bill L said:


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Unless you’re in a fortune teller of psychic league.

Do *you* believe we play in a fortune teller or psychic league?



no i agree about that. trust me when i know about injuries and it's not anyone's fault but luck and genetics.

but it's still a bust for a 1st round pick. they didn't reach the level of franchise worth that that pick is valued at.

you can then also argue that many guys weren't busts because they dealt with mental illness and substance abuse issues.






I would think mental illness and substance abuse should definitely be in this discussion.
So much I want to say but FMIC is doing a good job articulating  
kinard : 3/23/2018 5:18 pm : link
... the necessary points.

...although I am wondering how Justin Pugh (who I always liked) escaped being labeled a "complimentary piece = 1st round injury bust" (such a great phrase)

Why does Ike get an upgraded "complimentary piece = 1st round injury bust" designation but Nicks and Phillips only get tagged as "injury busts"? On behalf of two of our Super Bowl heroes can't you re-consider? Can't we demand a re-count?

Good thing you didn't reach back to the 70's. Phil Simms definitely had a "complimentary piece = 1st round injury bust" coming his way.

What would we say about Troy Archer? "Dead = bust"?
Past performance is not indicative of future results.  
Klaatu : 3/23/2018 5:21 pm : link
Now go home and get your shine box.
RE: So much I want to say but FMIC is doing a good job articulating  
giantsFC : 3/23/2018 5:30 pm : link
In comment 13883209 kinard said:
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... the necessary points.

...although I am wondering how Justin Pugh (who I always liked) escaped being labeled a "complimentary piece = 1st round injury bust" (such a great phrase)

Why does Ike get an upgraded "complimentary piece = 1st round injury bust" designation but Nicks and Phillips only get tagged as "injury busts"? On behalf of two of our Super Bowl heroes can't you re-consider? Can't we demand a re-count?

Good thing you didn't reach back to the 70's. Phil Simms definitely had a "complimentary piece = 1st round injury bust" coming his way.

What would we say about Troy Archer? "Dead = bust"?


I got lazy. Pugh is still playing for now. I think i just labeled Hillard as complimentary. didn't mean to put injury. He played well, but not a game changer like Amani Toomer...who was drafted lower.

Phil Simms would easily classify to me that....as for injuries he managed to come back after the injuries and have a career...then get hurt again...and then back. Longevity I guess is key for that.

If Nicks, for example, returned a year or two later and played some good seasons he would not be in this discussion IMO.

So a cutoff rule maybe 5 years of top league-level performance as a 1st round pick?

I would say Nicks still sits on the limit of that. Kenny Phillips and others do not.





Can we please adopt the term, “complementary piece”?  
Bill L : 3/23/2018 5:31 pm : link
It’s just seems more sensical.
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giantsFC : 3/23/2018 5:31 pm : link
In comment 13883204 therealmf said:
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I would think mental illness and substance abuse should definitely be in this discussion.


I think 90% of these players who didn't make would get a pass then if you were to look into that.

I'm sticking w it.  
giantsFC : 3/23/2018 5:36 pm : link
This was a perception of the the first round draft pick list and how startling the revelation is every time I look at it as to how many didn't pan out. I can't see any Giants fan arguing that many 1st rounders didn't perform like the ideal first rounder is hoped for.

Not sure why Gunta in Charlotte decided to lube himself up so bad with insults over it.
No. Change it. Complimentary is idiotic.  
Bill L : 3/23/2018 5:42 pm : link
It hurts your argument and makes you look uneducated.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/23/2018 5:43 pm : link
well played.

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I would think mental illness and substance abuse should definitely be in this discussion


And on cue the ignorant fuckstick had it go right over his head!
Bill..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/23/2018 5:44 pm : link
I'm dying over here!!
How on earth is it depressing?  
UConn4523 : 3/23/2018 5:45 pm : link
Outside of a handful of teams I’d say our first round picks have been at worst average. When you land a franchise QB and probably the most talented WR since Randy Moss, you can’t say that it’s depressing.

Nicks and Wilson getting injured was depressing. Many of the rest of the picks were starters and contributed to one of our two Super Bowls.
RE: LOL..  
giantsFC : 3/23/2018 5:54 pm : link
In comment 13883241 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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well played.
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I would think mental illness and substance abuse should definitely be in this discussion



And on cue the ignorant fuckstick had it go right over his head!


oh
hahahahahaha.

I GET IT NOW! AW SHUCKS I'M SO STUPID.

AHAHAHAHAHA! I'm a moron and now a kook. I guess I better get my shoe shine stand and go home away from the mean little comment board club.

Sorry I was too busy trying to read past your useless Dallas Cowboys draft pick list to pay much attention to hidden undertones of the rest of your team gang bang on me.

I got some lube.
RE: Bill..  
Bill L : 3/23/2018 5:55 pm : link
In comment 13883244 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I'm dying over here!!
when I first read the post, I thought that maybe we were getting some players for free. Like at Wegmann’s.
Team Homer  
giantsFC : 3/23/2018 5:55 pm : link
in full force on my post today.

RE: RE: Bill..  
giantsFC : 3/23/2018 5:57 pm : link
In comment 13883256 Bill L said:
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I'm dying over here!!

when I first read the post, I thought that maybe we were getting some players for free. Like at Wegmann’s.


I guess I'm not as good a poster as you all.

It's like being the best at darts.
This is a historically bad thread  
Gmen88 : 3/23/2018 6:04 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: Bill..  
therealmf : 3/23/2018 6:05 pm : link
In comment 13883263 giantsFC said:
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In comment 13883244 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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I'm dying over here!!

when I first read the post, I thought that maybe we were getting some players for free. Like at Wegmann’s.



I guess I'm not as good a poster as you all.

It's like being the best at darts.


This is probably my fourth maybe fifth post in the last year. I'm not a great poster. I can hardly be called a member of FMiC's gang. Your theories are just low hanging fruit.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Bill..  
Bill L : 3/23/2018 6:10 pm : link
In comment 13883270 therealmf said:
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I'm dying over here!!

when I first read the post, I thought that maybe we were getting some players for free. Like at Wegmann’s.



I guess I'm not as good a poster as you all.

It's like being the best at darts.



This is probably my fourth maybe fifth post in the last year. I'm not a great poster. I can hardly be called a member of FMiC's gang. Your theories are just low hanging fruit.


It’s not your fault. You’re hitting a stationery target.
*tuba noise*  
giantsFC : 3/23/2018 6:11 pm : link
Nice one Bill

turn your mic on next time.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Bill..  
giantsFC : 3/23/2018 6:13 pm : link
In comment 13883270 therealmf said:
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This is probably my fourth maybe fifth post in the last year. I'm not a great poster. I can hardly be called a member of FMiC's gang. Your theories are just low hanging fruit.


subjective opinions. It's all good.
One thing about FMiC...  
bw in dc : 3/23/2018 6:14 pm : link
He brings a gun to a gun fight...
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Bill..  
therealmf : 3/23/2018 6:18 pm : link
In comment 13883280 giantsFC said:
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In comment 13883270 therealmf said:


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This is probably my fourth maybe fifth post in the last year. I'm not a great poster. I can hardly be called a member of FMiC's gang. Your theories are just low hanging fruit.



subjective opinions. It's all good.


No, it is definitely not good. The thoughts you posted today are bad, very, very bad. Don't say stupid shit, OK?

I'd recommend staying off the board for awhile. Just read posts. Figure the board out. Then come back talking sense.
I think the OP meant  
Doomster : 3/23/2018 9:59 pm : link
the 3rd round....or 4th? or 5th? or 6th? or 7th?
Not sure what OP is talking about ... the Giants most recent  
baadbill : 3/23/2018 10:25 pm : link
history with the #2 overall pick in the draft is pretty fucking awesome.
RE: 60% 1st round bust rate  
djm : 3/23/2018 10:54 pm : link
In comment 13883132 giantsFC said:
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even giving you Hilliard and Ross.

What is the nfl average?


You’re fucking idiotic
Unfortunately..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/23/2018 11:02 pm : link
it isn't politically correct, but in this case I brought an Uzi to a wet noodle slapfest.
LMFAO  
giantsFC : 3/24/2018 12:48 am : link
I guess i’m not good enough at darts to host a BBI big tymer pro dart league post on this site.

I’m dying 😂

Do you know how pathetic do you all sound?

Here take my lunch money.


What..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/24/2018 12:54 am : link
the fuck does darts have to do with anything?

Start a thread that has a fucking point next time.

Or play the victim role.

Imbecile. And no, I'm not being "complimentary".
RE: Unfortunately..  
giantsFC : 3/24/2018 1:05 am : link
In comment 13883543 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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it isn't politically correct, but in this case I brought an Uzi to a wet noodle slapfest.


I bet you know a lot about slapping wet noodles.
RE: What..  
giantsFC : 3/24/2018 1:09 am : link
In comment 13883618 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the fuck does darts have to do with anything?

Start a thread that has a fucking point next time.

Or play the victim role.

Imbecile. And no, I'm not being "complimentary".


Darts. You know a shite activity to be the best at that nobody gives 2 fucks about. Like thinking you are an expert poster while others’ posts are to be ridiculed.
I don't think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/24/2018 11:06 am : link
I'm an expert poster.

I think I'm smart enough not to start shitty threads. That isn't being an expert - it is just self-awareness.

You can learn to start threads that have a fucking point, or you can expect to take shit. Your call.
Comic Book Guy in Charlotte  
giantsFC : 3/24/2018 11:19 am : link
In comment 13884060 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I'm an expert poster.

I think I'm smart enough not to start shitty threads. That isn't being an expert - it is just self-awareness.

You can learn to start threads that have a fucking point, or you can expect to take shit. Your call.


I’m going to post whatever fawking question I want. And I hope you and your 🎯 club come trolling each and every time.
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