You actually called our 1st round draft rate as depressing, despite the fact the giants have hit on more first rounders than most teams. Not by my metrics, but by most analysts.
I only know of grades for players since 2000 (not 1990), but the Giants were ranked 7th for the 1st rounders. They actually were graded 29th for rounds 3-7 butr that wasn't your point.
That's depressing.
By the way, what fucking facts have you presented??
type of subjective facts you are presenting. Grades? really. the most subjective form of opinion in the modern sports world. what is this a video game?
You are one of dem board dictators huh? your way or its the moron way?
Whatever makes you happy. go have a wank to your trolling. I'll stick w my opinion. thanks for your keen & non insulting at all insight to my post.
I wasn't talking about me putting up facts, I was referring to this brilliant shit nugget from you:
Quote:
now you are just trolling. I'm just putting out the facts.
You haven't posted one fucking fact in this thread. You started with a ridiculous OP, calling the 1st rounders depressing and found a way to go downhill from the bottom of a crater.
type of subjective facts you are presenting. Grades? really. the most subjective form of opinion in the modern sports world. what is this a video game?
You are one of dem board dictators huh? your way or its the moron way?
Whatever makes you happy. go have a wank to your trolling. I'll stick w my opinion. thanks for your keen & non insulting at all insight to my post.
Someone is butt hurting.
I guess that is what happens when you put your head up your ass.
Can't really count them as a bust unless there was injury history we ignored. I am not FMIC biggest fan but he is spot on here. We actually have done well in first rounds.
But I don’t think many (normal) people would call a person with an injury a bust. I mean I wouldn’t. I consider a bust to be someone who didn’t perform either per their draft pick or even as an nfl player. It, that’s based on performance. If a guy gets injured and his career derailed, I wouldn’t say that’s a bust. It’s unfortunate, yeah but bust isn’t right.
And, if you’re using injury as a debate point to prove that the team cannot draft well, then I think that’s pretty asinine.
...although I am wondering how Justin Pugh (who I always liked) escaped being labeled a "complimentary piece = 1st round injury bust" (such a great phrase)
Why does Ike get an upgraded "complimentary piece = 1st round injury bust" designation but Nicks and Phillips only get tagged as "injury busts"? On behalf of two of our Super Bowl heroes can't you re-consider? Can't we demand a re-count?
Good thing you didn't reach back to the 70's. Phil Simms definitely had a "complimentary piece = 1st round injury bust" coming his way.
What would we say about Troy Archer? "Dead = bust"?
Past performance is not indicative of future results. Â
...although I am wondering how Justin Pugh (who I always liked) escaped being labeled a "complimentary piece = 1st round injury bust" (such a great phrase)
Why does Ike get an upgraded "complimentary piece = 1st round injury bust" designation but Nicks and Phillips only get tagged as "injury busts"? On behalf of two of our Super Bowl heroes can't you re-consider? Can't we demand a re-count?
Good thing you didn't reach back to the 70's. Phil Simms definitely had a "complimentary piece = 1st round injury bust" coming his way.
What would we say about Troy Archer? "Dead = bust"?
I got lazy. Pugh is still playing for now. I think i just labeled Hillard as complimentary. didn't mean to put injury. He played well, but not a game changer like Amani Toomer...who was drafted lower.
Phil Simms would easily classify to me that....as for injuries he managed to come back after the injuries and have a career...then get hurt again...and then back. Longevity I guess is key for that.
If Nicks, for example, returned a year or two later and played some good seasons he would not be in this discussion IMO.
So a cutoff rule maybe 5 years of top league-level performance as a 1st round pick?
I would say Nicks still sits on the limit of that. Kenny Phillips and others do not.
Can we please adopt the term, “complementary piece”? Â
This was a perception of the the first round draft pick list and how startling the revelation is every time I look at it as to how many didn't pan out. I can't see any Giants fan arguing that many 1st rounders didn't perform like the ideal first rounder is hoped for.
Not sure why Gunta in Charlotte decided to lube himself up so bad with insults over it.
Outside of a handful of teams I’d say our first round picks have been at worst average. When you land a franchise QB and probably the most talented WR since Randy Moss, you can’t say that it’s depressing.
Nicks and Wilson getting injured was depressing. Many of the rest of the picks were starters and contributed to one of our two Super Bowls.
I would think mental illness and substance abuse should definitely be in this discussion
And on cue the ignorant fuckstick had it go right over his head!
oh
hahahahahaha.
I GET IT NOW! AW SHUCKS I'M SO STUPID.
AHAHAHAHAHA! I'm a moron and now a kook. I guess I better get my shoe shine stand and go home away from the mean little comment board club.
Sorry I was too busy trying to read past your useless Dallas Cowboys draft pick list to pay much attention to hidden undertones of the rest of your team gang bang on me.
when I first read the post, I thought that maybe we were getting some players for free. Like at Wegmann’s.
I guess I'm not as good a poster as you all.
It's like being the best at darts.
This is probably my fourth maybe fifth post in the last year. I'm not a great poster. I can hardly be called a member of FMiC's gang. Your theories are just low hanging fruit.
when I first read the post, I thought that maybe we were getting some players for free. Like at Wegmann’s.
I guess I'm not as good a poster as you all.
It's like being the best at darts.
This is probably my fourth maybe fifth post in the last year. I'm not a great poster. I can hardly be called a member of FMiC's gang. Your theories are just low hanging fruit.
It’s not your fault. You’re hitting a stationery target.
This is probably my fourth maybe fifth post in the last year. I'm not a great poster. I can hardly be called a member of FMiC's gang. Your theories are just low hanging fruit.
This is probably my fourth maybe fifth post in the last year. I'm not a great poster. I can hardly be called a member of FMiC's gang. Your theories are just low hanging fruit.
subjective opinions. It's all good.
No, it is definitely not good. The thoughts you posted today are bad, very, very bad. Don't say stupid shit, OK?
I'd recommend staying off the board for awhile. Just read posts. Figure the board out. Then come back talking sense.
Start a thread that has a fucking point next time.
Or play the victim role.
Imbecile. And no, I'm not being "complimentary".
Darts. You know a shite activity to be the best at that nobody gives 2 fucks about. Like thinking you are an expert poster while others’ posts are to be ridiculed.
What is the nfl average?
LOL. Hakeem Nicks was a bust?
And we now have a new label - injury bust?? I guess being a non-homer also means that you just like to make up new terms to fit a narrative.
Great. You should have stopped with the OP which was a vapid, terrible post. Now you are just doubling-down on the stupid.
now you are just trolling. I'm just putting out the facts.
Go take your anger out on your wife or something. I'm out its the weekend.
So next time you go yapping away to everyone else about other teams' busts...make you sure you practice what you preach.
so in your eyes Greg Oden isn't a bust.
then don't comment on it.
Glad your posts are so much more intriguing.
You actually called our 1st round draft rate as depressing, despite the fact the giants have hit on more first rounders than most teams. Not by my metrics, but by most analysts.
I only know of grades for players since 2000 (not 1990), but the Giants were ranked 7th for the 1st rounders. They actually were graded 29th for rounds 3-7 butr that wasn't your point.
That's depressing.
By the way, what fucking facts have you presented??
U
C
K
I
N
G
type of subjective facts you are presenting. Grades? really. the most subjective form of opinion in the modern sports world. what is this a video game?
You are one of dem board dictators huh? your way or its the moron way?
Whatever makes you happy. go have a wank to your trolling. I'll stick w my opinion. thanks for your keen & non insulting at all insight to my post.
You haven't posted one fucking fact in this thread. You started with a ridiculous OP, calling the 1st rounders depressing and found a way to go downhill from the bottom of a crater.
U
C
K
I
N
G
type of subjective facts you are presenting. Grades? really. the most subjective form of opinion in the modern sports world. what is this a video game?
You are one of dem board dictators huh? your way or its the moron way?
Whatever makes you happy. go have a wank to your trolling. I'll stick w my opinion. thanks for your keen & non insulting at all insight to my post.
Someone is butt hurting.
I guess that is what happens when you put your head up your ass.
And, if you’re using injury as a debate point to prove that the team cannot draft well, then I think that’s pretty asinine.
I wouldn't have posted the thread if I didn't go and look at all the fails.
Someone is butt hurting.
I guess that is what happens when you put your head up your ass.
bend over and let me know if its true.
Do *you* believe we play in a fortune teller or psychic league?
Quote:
Someone is butt hurting.
I guess that is what happens when you put your head up your ass.
bend over and let me know if its true.
LOL
Do *you* believe we play in a fortune teller or psychic league?
no i agree about that. trust me when i know about injuries and it's not anyone's fault but luck and genetics.
but it's still a bust for a 1st round pick. they didn't reach the level of franchise worth that that pick is valued at.
you can then also argue that many guys weren't busts because they dealt with mental illness and substance abuse issues.
Quote:
Unless you’re in a fortune teller of psychic league.
Do *you* believe we play in a fortune teller or psychic league?
no i agree about that. trust me when i know about injuries and it's not anyone's fault but luck and genetics.
but it's still a bust for a 1st round pick. they didn't reach the level of franchise worth that that pick is valued at.
you can then also argue that many guys weren't busts because they dealt with mental illness and substance abuse issues.
So what's the solution?
Quote:
Unless you’re in a fortune teller of psychic league.
Do *you* believe we play in a fortune teller or psychic league?
no i agree about that. trust me when i know about injuries and it's not anyone's fault but luck and genetics.
but it's still a bust for a 1st round pick. they didn't reach the level of franchise worth that that pick is valued at.
you can then also argue that many guys weren't busts because they dealt with mental illness and substance abuse issues.
I would think mental illness and substance abuse should definitely be in this discussion.
...although I am wondering how Justin Pugh (who I always liked) escaped being labeled a "complimentary piece = 1st round injury bust" (such a great phrase)
Why does Ike get an upgraded "complimentary piece = 1st round injury bust" designation but Nicks and Phillips only get tagged as "injury busts"? On behalf of two of our Super Bowl heroes can't you re-consider? Can't we demand a re-count?
Good thing you didn't reach back to the 70's. Phil Simms definitely had a "complimentary piece = 1st round injury bust" coming his way.
What would we say about Troy Archer? "Dead = bust"?
...although I am wondering how Justin Pugh (who I always liked) escaped being labeled a "complimentary piece = 1st round injury bust" (such a great phrase)
Why does Ike get an upgraded "complimentary piece = 1st round injury bust" designation but Nicks and Phillips only get tagged as "injury busts"? On behalf of two of our Super Bowl heroes can't you re-consider? Can't we demand a re-count?
Good thing you didn't reach back to the 70's. Phil Simms definitely had a "complimentary piece = 1st round injury bust" coming his way.
What would we say about Troy Archer? "Dead = bust"?
I got lazy. Pugh is still playing for now. I think i just labeled Hillard as complimentary. didn't mean to put injury. He played well, but not a game changer like Amani Toomer...who was drafted lower.
Phil Simms would easily classify to me that....as for injuries he managed to come back after the injuries and have a career...then get hurt again...and then back. Longevity I guess is key for that.
If Nicks, for example, returned a year or two later and played some good seasons he would not be in this discussion IMO.
So a cutoff rule maybe 5 years of top league-level performance as a 1st round pick?
I would say Nicks still sits on the limit of that. Kenny Phillips and others do not.
I would think mental illness and substance abuse should definitely be in this discussion.
I think 90% of these players who didn't make would get a pass then if you were to look into that.
Not sure why Gunta in Charlotte decided to lube himself up so bad with insults over it.
And on cue the ignorant fuckstick had it go right over his head!
Nicks and Wilson getting injured was depressing. Many of the rest of the picks were starters and contributed to one of our two Super Bowls.
Quote:
I would think mental illness and substance abuse should definitely be in this discussion
And on cue the ignorant fuckstick had it go right over his head!
oh
hahahahahaha.
I GET IT NOW! AW SHUCKS I'M SO STUPID.
AHAHAHAHAHA! I'm a moron and now a kook. I guess I better get my shoe shine stand and go home away from the mean little comment board club.
Sorry I was too busy trying to read past your useless Dallas Cowboys draft pick list to pay much attention to hidden undertones of the rest of your team gang bang on me.
I got some lube.
Quote:
I'm dying over here!!
when I first read the post, I thought that maybe we were getting some players for free. Like at Wegmann’s.
I guess I'm not as good a poster as you all.
It's like being the best at darts.
Quote:
In comment 13883244 FatMan in Charlotte said:
Quote:
I'm dying over here!!
when I first read the post, I thought that maybe we were getting some players for free. Like at Wegmann’s.
I guess I'm not as good a poster as you all.
It's like being the best at darts.
This is probably my fourth maybe fifth post in the last year. I'm not a great poster. I can hardly be called a member of FMiC's gang. Your theories are just low hanging fruit.
Quote:
In comment 13883256 Bill L said:
Quote:
In comment 13883244 FatMan in Charlotte said:
Quote:
I'm dying over here!!
when I first read the post, I thought that maybe we were getting some players for free. Like at Wegmann’s.
I guess I'm not as good a poster as you all.
It's like being the best at darts.
This is probably my fourth maybe fifth post in the last year. I'm not a great poster. I can hardly be called a member of FMiC's gang. Your theories are just low hanging fruit.
It’s not your fault. You’re hitting a stationery target.
turn your mic on next time.
This is probably my fourth maybe fifth post in the last year. I'm not a great poster. I can hardly be called a member of FMiC's gang. Your theories are just low hanging fruit.
subjective opinions. It's all good.
Quote:
This is probably my fourth maybe fifth post in the last year. I'm not a great poster. I can hardly be called a member of FMiC's gang. Your theories are just low hanging fruit.
subjective opinions. It's all good.
No, it is definitely not good. The thoughts you posted today are bad, very, very bad. Don't say stupid shit, OK?
I'd recommend staying off the board for awhile. Just read posts. Figure the board out. Then come back talking sense.
What is the nfl average?
You’re fucking idiotic
I’m dying 😂
Do you know how pathetic do you all sound?
Here take my lunch money.
Start a thread that has a fucking point next time.
Or play the victim role.
Imbecile. And no, I'm not being "complimentary".
I bet you know a lot about slapping wet noodles.
Start a thread that has a fucking point next time.
Or play the victim role.
Imbecile. And no, I'm not being "complimentary".
Darts. You know a shite activity to be the best at that nobody gives 2 fucks about. Like thinking you are an expert poster while others’ posts are to be ridiculed.
I think I'm smart enough not to start shitty threads. That isn't being an expert - it is just self-awareness.
You can learn to start threads that have a fucking point, or you can expect to take shit. Your call.
I think I'm smart enough not to start shitty threads. That isn't being an expert - it is just self-awareness.
You can learn to start threads that have a fucking point, or you can expect to take shit. Your call.
I’m going to post whatever fawking question I want. And I hope you and your 🎯 club come trolling each and every time.