There is something about former QBs being offensive coordinators and QB coaches. Having Shula there to teach a drafted QB will be huge, if that's the route we go.
Even Shurmur has a stellar track record coaching QBs (Not bad for a former Offensive Lineman).
Having these 2 in place will be huge for whoever takes the reigns in the future.
So many here are overly dramatic about this. Drafting a player involves more than just “we need a QB so draft one!!!” If you like a guy, great. But I wouldn’t consider DG “moronic” if he felt Barkley was a better choice.
So many here are overly dramatic about this. Drafting a player involves more than just “we need a QB so draft one!!!” If you like a guy, great. But I wouldn’t consider DG “moronic” if he felt Barkley was a better choice.
I suppose I could see your point on Barkley. He has been called a lot of great things. I still believe that the QBs are elite and you rarely have a chance to pick 2nd with a group this good. I don’t understand passing on them for Chubb or Nelson. To me a RB at 2 is still a hard sell. It worked for the Cowboys because they had a good team that had their QB go down. We had our QB start every terrible game and we finished 3-13.
I think Shurmur got the job partly because the need to develop the new young QB
You are correct in saying get bent out of shape. Due to stresses on the home front (mysterious sickness in daughter and a million doctors) I have turned to BBI to read and write about the draft. I think I am getting to insane over it, but it’s better than just thinking about what else is going on non stop I think.
So many here are overly dramatic about this. Drafting a player involves more than just “we need a QB so draft one!!!” If you like a guy, great. But I wouldn’t consider DG “moronic” if he felt Barkley was a better choice.
Point of the post, wasn't so much to advocate for taking a QB, but to advocate that we have 2 QB guys developing whoever the next QB will be. Whether that is our pick this year or Webb.
You don't want to get roasted for years about letting a Franchise guy slip through your fingers and letting him go to the in city rival. That's why.
This could be Shurmur's last legitimate shot to succeed as a head coach. They often say you get two chances to fail at that job.
And Dave Gettleman, with no disrespect intended, is 67 years old. It's likely going to be his last ride as a GM in this league. I understand that he got his chance to run a team very late in his career, but he's coming in at an age where most people in that role are contemplating retirement for a variety of reasons, health and lifestyle being the one that comes to mind the most. Even Ozzie Newsome, who is likely going to the hall of fame as an executive, is stepping down at 62. Bill Polian moved on at 68. Parcells had enough even of being a front office executive at 66.
This could be Shurmur's last legitimate shot to succeed as a head coach. They often say you get two chances to fail at that job.
And Dave Gettleman, with no disrespect intended, is 67 years old. It's likely going to be his last ride as a GM in this league. I understand that he got his chance to run a team very late in his career, but he's coming in at an age where most people in that role are contemplating retirement for a variety of reasons, health and lifestyle being the one that comes to mind the most. Even Ozzie Newsome, who is likely going to the hall of fame as an executive, is stepping down at 62. Bill Polian moved on at 68. Parcells had enough even of being a front office executive at 66.
TTH I always value your opinion, as I respect you very much as a poster. That being said, who in your opinion would be the flashy pick? To me the flashy pick is grabbing a RB, great RBs can be had in most rounds. The QB while probably considered flashy is also a huge need for us, and it’s not flashy to take a QB when you are dealing with an elite crop. I will stop saying flashy now.
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to get cute or be dazzled by the flashy pick.
This could be Shurmur's last legitimate shot to succeed as a head coach. They often say you get two chances to fail at that job.
And Dave Gettleman, with no disrespect intended, is 67 years old. It's likely going to be his last ride as a GM in this league. I understand that he got his chance to run a team very late in his career, but he's coming in at an age where most people in that role are contemplating retirement for a variety of reasons, health and lifestyle being the one that comes to mind the most. Even Ozzie Newsome, who is likely going to the hall of fame as an executive, is stepping down at 62. Bill Polian moved on at 68. Parcells had enough even of being a front office executive at 66.
TTH I always value your opinion, as I respect you very much as a poster. That being said, who in your opinion would be the flashy pick? To me the flashy pick is grabbing a RB, great RBs can be had in most rounds. The QB while probably considered flashy is also a huge need for us, and it’s not flashy to take a QB when you are dealing with an elite crop. I will stop saying flashy now.
I mean no insult by flashy, just to be clear. I was talking about Barkley. He might be a wonderful player for 15 years and become one of those special players you know is going to be a hall of famer while he's still an active player. I have no idea.
I firmly believe, and as fans, we have ALL seen it be proven both by this franchise and others, that you can win, win big, and win consistently without spending that kind of draft capital on that position. I'm just against it. And I have a massive appreciation for special talent, so I'd love to watch the Giants with an unstoppable player at any position. I just think spending that pick on that position is using the wrong tool for the job.
As for winning now, if you are indeed correct and I don’t doubt it that the Giants are win now mode. They are so far off it’s comical. Eli hasn’t looked good he has looked terrible. Errant throws, mind blowing interceptions, completely skittish. Odell can’t carry an offense by himself. When your QB is a drain you will never win.
Anyways, agreeing to disagree is one of the most important things in life. One thing we can both agree on is getting back to Giants greatness, back to winning, we were far and away the worst team in football last year, I’m all about not wanting to witness that again.
History has shown that QB's are better off sitting. Darnold and especially Allen would benefit from sitting for most if not all of their rookie season's. I think Rosen and perhaps Mayfield are ready to start as rookies.
The Giants have a rare opportunity to go from one franchise QB to another without having a few terrible seasons to be in range to draft a QB.
The Giants have a rare opportunity to go from one franchise QB to another without having a few terrible seasons to be in range to draft a QB.
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Drafting for need to win now is what poor franchises do. It will set your team back. What it comes down to is do you use the #2 pick on a QB now or trade up, giving up several high picks in the process, in a year or two to get the next QB?
The Giants have a rare opportunity to go from one franchise QB to another without having a few terrible seasons to be in range to draft a QB.
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2. Don't be shocked if DG decides to grab a QB in the 2nd round such as Lauletta.
2. Don't be shocked if DG decides to grab a QB in the 2nd round such as Lauletta.
Lauletta has the weakest arm of all the QBs, he also has dangerously low velocity. I can’t imagine he would go round 2, or even round 3. Webb is a better prospect than him.
Think its down to Barkley and Darnold