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Mcadoo wanted to play Webb......

sxdxca : 3/24/2018 3:40 am
Here are some quotes from an article I just found.

"Well, I have a lot of confidence in Eli as a player, as a quarterback. But at this point, it’s my responsibility for the organization to make sure we take a look at Geno and, at some point, take a look at Davis and give them the opportunity to show what they can do heading into next year,” coach Ben McAdoo said."

“At some point in time, Davis will be thrown in the mix. Yes,” McAdoo said.

Also it wasn't Reese that wanted Davis Webb , it was McAdoo. Notice this paragraph. McAdoo would have drafted him possibly in the 2nd rd...

**McAdoo’s ace in the hole with his job seemingly on the line is Webb. That’s his guy. McAdoo pushed hard for him in just about every round of the draft before finally getting his way back in April.**

**So far, Webb has done nothing to disappoint. He’s known as a hard worker, a future coach and a coach’s son who has worked diligently at his craft ever since he arrived in East Rutherford. The coaching staff raves about his potential.**

**This all sounds like the Giants wanting to get Webb on the field so they can get a more accurate evaluation of what he will be at the NFL level. Pushing Manning aside now provides them the opportunity.**

**It may not have been perfect -- or gone well at all from a public relations standpoint -- but when Webb is on the field in the next few weeks, it will have achieved its intended consequences. The Giants will receive an extended look at their 22-year-old quarterback while their aging quarterback looks on.**

Bottom line , the Giants plan which Mara signed off on was to eventually start Webb. McAdoo made that very clear. McAdoo also wasn't expecting to get fired. He believed Webb was his future , and could groom him.

However the backlash from the fanbase/media for benching Eli , was so bad , Mara panicked.

Instead of letting McAdoo execute the plan , He fired McAdoo and Reese before the season ended , and now we are unsure.

If he just stuck to his original plan , we all would have seen what Webb could have done. And would have given us all a better feel , or a better picture for what we should do with the #2 pick in the draft...

Here is the link
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Fuck Him  
Neckbone1333 : 3/24/2018 4:48 am : link
he played Geno.
Then...  
Zepp : 3/24/2018 5:39 am : link
Why didn’t he play him? Was he not ready? I first heard tha Eli was benched at work and it didn’t upset me at first because a). I believed they handled it correctly cuz the Giants always do and b) I assumed we were starting Webb since it was late in the season. Plus why expose Eli to further injury.

Then I heard how they handled it and that Geno was starting and it all made absolutely no sense.
So what and who  
section125 : 3/24/2018 5:49 am : link
cares. That ship sailed.
McAdoo  
Emil : 3/24/2018 5:53 am : link
Admittedly gave Eli a choice he knew he wouldn’t take. He made Eli an offer he knew he would refuse. That’s probably the most disrespectful act I’ve ever heard between a HC and QB. McAdoo was in over his head. He was not a leader and it’s why the team fell apart once it hit adversity.

I don’t care what McAdoo said his plan was. What practice reps did he give Davis? Scout team, that’s what. Excuse me if I don’t believe him.
Not only did he not play  
Chocco : 3/24/2018 5:55 am : link
He wasn't even active. There were games he could have easily gotten into when it got out of hand, but he wasn't available. If Mcadoo thought Webb was his ace in the hole, then he shouldn't have discarded him.
Screw McAdoo for how he botched the whole situation  
mfsd : 3/24/2018 7:06 am : link
But were Webb to turn out to be our QB of the future, I’d have no problem giving him and Reese credit for picking the right guy.

Just a shame they ruined the rest of the team around Eli as well.
mac was the only adult in the room  
sundayatone : 3/24/2018 7:21 am : link
eli benched himself,was very selfish.
Nobody knows what happened  
SLIM_ : 3/24/2018 8:17 am : link
My thoughts are that Mara gave the go ahead to get Webb some time and McAdoo switched it to Smith and phrased it in a way that would piss off Eli. Mara had to take blame for this in the end. When Spags took over, Sullivan and he decided Webb wasn't ready initially and were trying to save their jobs. I also think that with the initial intention that Webb was supposed to be redshirted, playing him with a subpar line and subpar receivers wouldn't have aocomplished much in regard to evaluation and may have done more harm then good.

That is my thought which I'm not confident in. What I am confident in is that we are better off with Shurmur/Gettleman and McAdoo/Reese. Much better. In the grand scheme of things, removing McAdoo/Reese will be of much greater benefit than seeing Webb in meaningless games.
RE: mac was the only adult in the room  
Bill L : 3/24/2018 8:19 am : link
In comment 13883732 sundayatone said:
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eli benched himself,was very selfish.
i think that you’ve got a schtick and it hurts you as a poster and likely as a person.
Actions speak louder than words  
JohnB : 3/24/2018 8:21 am : link
If he wanted to play Webb, he had the chance and he could have. But he decided not to play Webb.... because he didn't want to play Webb.



McAdoo has already lost the team at that point. Eli situation was the  
Ivan15 : 3/24/2018 8:32 am : link
Last straw. It was the way he did it. Either Mara told him how he wanted it handled or Mara told Reese and Reese told McAdoo how to handle it. Either way, it was time for both to leave.

I can believe that McAdoo pushed for Webb because he was a Rodgers-like QB. And if the plan was for Webb to sit and watch the Giants roll into the playoffs, that was okay too. Once the season was lost, Geno should have gotten a little playing time and Webb too.

Just a bad situation overall. A GM in denial, and a HC who didn’t handle adversity well.
Once the Giants reached the point where...  
bw in dc : 3/24/2018 8:36 am : link
getting to a .500 record was out of reach a trip wire should have created these two new goals:

Play Webb and tank. Plain and simple.

I was okay if Geno was mixed in so he could showcase where he was with other teams. Plus, if Webb hit a really bad patch in a game, Geno could be the bullpen...

But this thing got all cockeyed because of two incompetent fools: Mara and McAdoo. Mara should have managed this quietly in house with McAdoo, and recalibrated after the botched first plan. Stay out of the media and get the plan right.

But it got worse because McAdoo went in front of the media and sounded dumber than ever. Then Mara had a central nervous system meltdown when the fan revolt started. So all broke hell broke loose and the Mara Massacre was underway...

I figured all along he played Geno over Webb because  
Jimmy Googs : 3/24/2018 8:42 am : link
he ignored both and felt he owed it to Geno since he never demoted him from #2 spot, and didn't want to put up with that line of questioning.

Just another stupid decision from a simple-minded foolish coach.

moving along...
RE: Once the Giants reached the point where...  
mfsd : 3/24/2018 8:46 am : link
In comment 13883841 bw in dc said:
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getting to a .500 record was out of reach a trip wire should have created these two new goals:

Play Webb and tank. Plain and simple.

I was okay if Geno was mixed in so he could showcase where he was with other teams. Plus, if Webb hit a really bad patch in a game, Geno could be the bullpen...

But this thing got all cockeyed because of two incompetent fools: Mara and McAdoo. Mara should have managed this quietly in house with McAdoo, and recalibrated after the botched first plan. Stay out of the media and get the plan right.

But it got worse because McAdoo went in front of the media and sounded dumber than ever. Then Mara had a central nervous system meltdown when the fan revolt started. So all broke hell broke loose and the Mara Massacre was underway...


Good summary...I never had a gripe with a decision to get Geno and preferably Webb some PT...it was the handling of it that was a debacle.

McAdoo walks into the QB meeting to tell Eli in front of the other guys? Mara isn’t even in the building that day? That was all horseshit. Mara and Reese should have sat down with Eli privately first, then giving McAdoo clear marching orders about how to handle it. He, of course, saw it as a Hail Mary chance to save his job by playing a mobile QB in Geno
would have played Geno one game  
bc4life : 3/24/2018 8:48 am : link
maybe two and let Webb play at least one full game. Never give the impression you are intentionally tanking. Unforgiveable in competitive sports.
RE: mac was the only adult in the room  
Klaatu : 3/24/2018 8:57 am : link
In comment 13883732 sundayatone said:
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eli benched himself,was very selfish.


Who's the adult in your room?
RE: RE: mac was the only adult in the room  
sundayatone : 3/24/2018 9:01 am : link
In comment 13883812 Bill L said:
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In comment 13883732 sundayatone said:


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eli benched himself,was very selfish.

i think that you’ve got a schtick and it hurts you as a poster and likely as a person.


your love and must protect eli at all costs is some kind of sickness that requires professional help.
As if I needed any more help  
djm : 3/24/2018 9:08 am : link
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Doesnt really matter much  
NikkiMac : 3/24/2018 9:09 am : link
Dave Gettleman is slowly dismantling the Jerry Reese Giants,by next year everyone will be gone from the draft picks and free agents that Reese signed probably including Webb ..... I think the Giants will draft Rosen and quite possibly trade Webb for a 3rd or 4th rd pick .....Gettleman is trying to stockpile picks either for this year or next when we have a lot more money and options
McAdoo Wanted Trade Up for Mahomes  
clatterbuck : 3/24/2018 9:56 am : link
according to some media reports last year, fwiw. And he could have found a way to get Webb some snaps without the ham-handed (heavy-handed?) benching of Eli to play Geno effin' Smith.
never understand  
giantfan2000 : 3/24/2018 10:01 am : link
why did McAdoo sit down with Eli and talk about benching before hand?

All McAdoo had to do is wait for Eli to be ineffective - which Eli was many times during the year and pull him during the game for Geno .

Then it isn't about benching Eli and ruining the streak - it is about Eli's play and trying to light fire under the team ... showing everyone that no one's job is safe.

McAdoo tried to be classy and fair and it blew up in his face
Why wait until the last 3 games!!  
Bleedin Blue : 3/24/2018 11:35 am : link
and then you play Geno, what a clusterfuck!! If he believed in Webb, he should’ve played him earlier, it was obvious the season was over!
Please, Macdouche just go away!!
RE: Why wait until the last 3 games!!  
Bleedin Blue : 3/24/2018 11:36 am : link
In comment 13884114 Bleedin Blue said:
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and then you play Geno, what a clusterfuck!! If he believed in Webb, he should’ve played him earlier, it was obvious the season was over!
Please, Macdouche just go away!!


I would like to add, I’m a big fan of Eli’s, but I still wanted to see Webb in there!
Neckbone sized it up nicely.  
Red Dog : 3/24/2018 12:27 pm : link
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Everybody  
AcidTest : 3/24/2018 1:57 pm : link
agrees we should have played Webb when the season was out of hand, not Geno. So why didn't McAdoo do so? Why wasn't Webb even active until the last game, after McAdoo had been fired? The coach decides who is active, and who plays.
He Played Geno  
Rong5611 : 3/24/2018 2:05 pm : link
That's how he got canned early. Should have played Webb.

Leads me to believe that he thought Webb wasn't good enough to save his job at that point.
RE: RE: mac was the only adult in the room  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 3/24/2018 6:19 pm : link
In comment 13883876 Klaatu said:
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In comment 13883732 sundayatone said:


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eli benched himself,was very selfish.



Who's the adult in your room?


Nobody. He doesn't allow mommy in HIS basement.

Seriously, Eli said that if they're pulling him at halftime regardless of the 1st half, then whoever they plan on putting in at that point should be getting the start and receiving the appropriate practice reps instead of the ridiculous plan of him splitting 1st team reps and getting benched in the 2nd half no matter what.

Eli was taking scout team reps that week, and was going over the playbook with Webb while eating breakfast the day after these shenanigans occurred. How is any of that selfish? At all?
this is absurd  
TJ : 3/24/2018 7:34 pm : link
If the plan was to play Webb then there was no reason to bench Eli for Geno Smith. The story doesn't make sense.
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