and if Rosen continues getting concussions and his family tells him to retire after making a few mill then bad move by the Jets. Once you start having concussions the next one is easier to get.
is an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side.
i'm just trying to wake people up to the fact that taking a RB at 2 when you need a qb and have a chance to get a good one is really stupid. RB is the most fungible position in football.. Would you rather have Fournette in the first or Kamara in the third? Obv Kamara and I love Fournette.
is an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side.
i'm just trying to wake people up to the fact that taking a RB at 2 when you need a qb and have a chance to get a good one is really stupid. RB is the most fungible position in football.. Would you rather have Fournette in the first or Kamara in the third? Obv Kamara and I love Fournette.
Except if everyone knew Kamara would be Kamara he would’ve gone top 5. You need to wake up to the fact that the draft is hit or miss and you take the best prospects that have the best chance of hitting. By everyone’s measure that is Barkley. Rosen and the other QBs have too many issues to take that kind of gamble on. This isn’t madden video game.
is an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side.
i'm just trying to wake people up to the fact that taking a RB at 2 when you need a qb and have a chance to get a good one is really stupid. RB is the most fungible position in football.. Would you rather have Fournette in the first or Kamara in the third? Obv Kamara and I love Fournette.
Except if everyone knew Kamara would be Kamara he would’ve gone top 5. You need to wake up to the fact that the draft is hit or miss and you take the best prospects that have the best chance of hitting. By everyone’s measure that is Barkley. Rosen and the other QBs have too many issues to take that kind of gamble on. This isn’t madden video game.
I don't agree with BPA - you must consider replacement value. RBs are highly replaceable. That's the point of the Kamara comparison. There are always 2 or 3 guys just as good. In fact, many times you are better off with a timeshare with lesser backs. Pats, Eagles, Vikes all ran the ball well with lesser talent (Ajayi, great talent but used strategically, not primary)
Barkley starts breaking Giants records left and right and busting 80 yard runs then the twin will really be lost.
you know what, I'm not a betting man but I would take the field vs Barkley - one of these guys who goes late 1st or after will have a better year.
By the way - i love Zep too.
How can you not love Zep? :)
And yeah taking the field gives you better chances. I’d take the field too but that’s not the choice. The choice in front of me is a guy who gets concussions, a guy who can’t hit the side of a building, Baker Mayfield, or a guy who is an athletic freak who checks off all the boxes as far as on the field off the field hard work dedication skill set running and catching and blocking. There’s hardly a bad thing you can say about him. I’m going with that over the other options.
Barkley starts breaking Giants records left and right and busting 80 yard runs then the twin will really be lost.
you know what, I'm not a betting man but I would take the field vs Barkley - one of these guys who goes late 1st or after will have a better year.
By the way - i love Zep too.
How can you not love Zep? :)
And yeah taking the field gives you better chances. I’d take the field too but that’s not the choice. The choice in front of me is a guy who gets concussions, a guy who can’t hit the side of a building, Baker Mayfield, or a guy who is an athletic freak who checks off all the boxes as far as on the field off the field hard work dedication skill set running and catching and blocking. There’s hardly a bad thing you can say about him. I’m going with that over the other options.
I think you hear my argument. I don't think Barkley is bad. I love him too. I think he will probably be great. It is just a poor allocation of resources to get him at #2 when there are great QB options. Yes these guys have question marks, but most coming out do. And there is a reason that every team that needs a QB are stumbling over themselves to get into position to get one. It's a great class. There could be four stars here. Let's grab one and be one of those stud teams for the next 12. When Barkley is spent, in about 6 years, the stars from this QB class will be entering their primes and probably have one ring on their finger.
is an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side.
i'm just trying to wake people up to the fact that taking a RB at 2 when you need a qb and have a chance to get a good one is really stupid. RB is the most fungible position in football.. Would you rather have Fournette in the first or Kamara in the third? Obv Kamara and I love Fournette.
If you can guarantee one of the QB’s coiming out is the next coming of Tom Brady or even Russell Wilson, then fine, but there are plenty of other concerns on this team, and they might just feel they have their QB of the future on the roster. I’m simply saying, there’s a chance that might just might be the case.
I’m not advocating for one over the other in fact I go back and forth on a QB, Barkley or trading down and taking Nelson, for instance. To me, the best case scenario is Webb being the guy and taking Barkley and a stud OL like Wynn or Hernandez. Sure, you could take Nelson in a trade down then perhaps one of the top rated RB’s later. Bottom line is, there’s just too much unknown.
is an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side.
i'm just trying to wake people up to the fact that taking a RB at 2 when you need a qb and have a chance to get a good one is really stupid. RB is the most fungible position in football.. Would you rather have Fournette in the first or Kamara in the third? Obv Kamara and I love Fournette.
If you can guarantee one of the QB’s coiming out is the next coming of Tom Brady or even Russell Wilson, then fine, but there are plenty of other concerns on this team, and they might just feel they have their QB of the future on the roster. I’m simply saying, there’s a chance that might just might be the case.
I’m not advocating for one over the other in fact I go back and forth on a QB, Barkley or trading down and taking Nelson, for instance. To me, the best case scenario is Webb being the guy and taking Barkley and a stud OL like Wynn or Hernandez. Sure, you could take Nelson in a trade down then perhaps one of the top rated RB’s later. Bottom line is, there’s just too much unknown.
I hearya. There is a little bit of risk. Nobody knows for sure what will happen. But a guy like Rosen can be Tom Brady. He has elite ball placement, awareness, anticipation and football intelligence skills. I really believe he has a shot to be great. We have Shurmur the QB whisperer and Shula who cant do anything well but mentor a QB. The table is set for this.
in my mind Barkley should be off the table. there are plenty of good rbs, some on the second day. i get the trade down scenario. I don't favor it. I think you take the chance to find Brady or Manning. Those teams win multiple super bowls.
your follow up posts are much better than your OP which I wasn’t expecting.
You aren’t wrong about RB, I can be sold on taking or not taking Barkley. Same with Rosen.
thnx, bro. I was just trying to get attention with the kookie headline. But do think about it. What if Rosen is playing for the Jets and his advanced ball skills translate to the NFL. And we have a great RB. I think the Jets will win that one. For a long time.
it’s about his health concerns. They are very real and IMO it’s the biggest risk in this draft. It comes down to what the medical team thinks, which I’m sure changes from team to team.
is an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side.
i'm just trying to wake people up to the fact that taking a RB at 2 when you need a qb and have a chance to get a good one is really stupid. RB is the most fungible position in football.. Would you rather have Fournette in the first or Kamara in the third? Obv Kamara and I love Fournette.
If you can guarantee one of the QB’s coiming out is the next coming of Tom Brady or even Russell Wilson, then fine, but there are plenty of other concerns on this team, and they might just feel they have their QB of the future on the roster. I’m simply saying, there’s a chance that might just might be the case.
I’m not advocating for one over the other in fact I go back and forth on a QB, Barkley or trading down and taking Nelson, for instance. To me, the best case scenario is Webb being the guy and taking Barkley and a stud OL like Wynn or Hernandez. Sure, you could take Nelson in a trade down then perhaps one of the top rated RB’s later. Bottom line is, there’s just too much unknown.
I hearya. There is a little bit of risk. Nobody knows for sure what will happen. But a guy like Rosen can be Tom Brady. He has elite ball placement, awareness, anticipation and football intelligence skills. I really believe he has a shot to be great. We have Shurmur the QB whisperer and Shula who cant do anything well but mentor a QB. The table is set for this.
in my mind Barkley should be off the table. there are plenty of good rbs, some on the second day. i get the trade down scenario. I don't favor it. I think you take the chance to find Brady or Manning. Those teams win multiple super bowls.
That's the catch, right? Rosen has the tools and you'd jump to get him if it weren't for the concussions.
I’m in agreement with the RB draft philosophy ... Â
unless you believe the RB is transcendent much like you do with your assertion that it has to be Rosen. And I’m not one of those that believe it’s Barkley or bust however, and I hate having to go back to the well, but they might just think they have their QB of the future on the roster and his name isn’t Eli. That has to be taken into account.
Barkley gets the fanbase excited because it's a "sexy move". He has a few great years, a few good ones and then when it's time for a big contract the Giants decide to replace him with another RB.
Meanwhile, Rosen lights it up for the Jets for 10-15 years, taking them to the playoffs on a regular basis, while also taking "the city" from the Giants.
Barkley gets the fanbase excited because it's a "sexy move". He has a few great years, a few good ones and then when it's time for a big contract the Giants decide to replace him with another RB.
Meanwhile, Rosen lights it up for the Jets for 10-15 years, taking them to the playoffs on a regular basis, while also taking "the city" from the Giants.
and what if Barkley is the greatest RB to ever play and Rosen ended up a total bust? The Giants can not worry about this kind of crap.
A top 10 QB is more valuable than the best RB in the game. Heck maybe a top 15 QB is more valuable. Leveon Bell the best RB in the game can't get a contract. Meanwhile Kirk Cousins just got $84M fully guaranteed.
Barkley starts breaking Giants records left and right and busting 80 yard runs then the twin will really be lost.
you know what, I'm not a betting man but I would take the field vs Barkley - one of these guys who goes late 1st or after will have a better year.
By the way - i love Zep too.
How can you not love Zep? :)
And yeah taking the field gives you better chances. I’d take the field too but that’s not the choice. The choice in front of me is a guy who gets concussions, a guy who can’t hit the side of a building, Baker Mayfield, or a guy who is an athletic freak who checks off all the boxes as far as on the field off the field hard work dedication skill set running and catching and blocking. There’s hardly a bad thing you can say about him. I’m going with that over the other options.
I think you hear my argument. I don't think Barkley is bad. I love him too. I think he will probably be great. It is just a poor allocation of resources to get him at #2 when there are great QB options. Yes these guys have question marks, but most coming out do. And there is a reason that every team that needs a QB are stumbling over themselves to get into position to get one. It's a great class. There could be four stars here. Let's grab one and be one of those stud teams for the next 12. When Barkley is spent, in about 6 years, the stars from this QB class will be entering their primes and probably have one ring on their finger.
That’s the thing. I don’t see the great QB options. They all might turn out to be good or great or they all might be busts.
I feel I’m GM I am in no way willing to risk my job or the franchises future by drafting a guy who has injury issues and desirability to play issues or for a guy who has inaccuracy issues or for Baker Mayfield. Sorry I just can’t do it. If you can guarantee me that Rosen won’t have concussion issues or won’t be fragile or won’t retire at 26 cuz he’s gotten injured more then I’d consider him. But there is no one that can guarantee that.
You could say well Barkley could get injured too. Of course but fact is I already know this guy has shown a tendency of getting injured and this guy has not.
To me it is insane to put th future of th franchise in Rosen’s hands. Sorry it just is. Especially when you already have a vet QB and a guy you drafted last year. I know why the Jets are desperate and are willing to take that risk. I feel we are in a position where we don’t have to take that risk at that position and in fact taking that risk is very foolish.
Could it work out? Sure. But with what we know now I am not willing to take that risk. Give me the guy with more of a shot to wear that golden jacket and that’s Barkley.
The reasoning behind an emphatic "NO" in regard to taking a quarterback, when you take into account the general consensus of the importance of that position.
I understand there is a chance none of the candidates are a franchise guy.
But it seems to me at #2 in a class that has so many good possibilities that the odds of getting it right in this year s draft, are significantly better than they might be going forward.
Building around Eli, by Selecting a running back, a position with historically short careers, is much more of a risk
Not really "worried". If any other team picked Rosen at 3 right after we made the mistake of picking Barkley and Rosen had a long and successful career it would still hurt a LOT knowing what might have been.
The JETS being Rosen's team would just rub salt in the wound.
It's like not being able to get over your ex and then finding out she's getting married. You'll get over the hurt a lot sooner if she doesn't also move in next door.
And if Rosen is a bust the Jets will continue to be a laughing stock Â
is an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side.
i'm just trying to wake people up to the fact that taking a RB at 2 when you need a qb and have a chance to get a good one is really stupid. RB is the most fungible position in football.. Would you rather have Fournette in the first or Kamara in the third? Obv Kamara and I love Fournette.
Except if everyone knew Kamara would be Kamara he would’ve gone top 5. You need to wake up to the fact that the draft is hit or miss and you take the best prospects that have the best chance of hitting. By everyone’s measure that is Barkley. Rosen and the other QBs have too many issues to take that kind of gamble on. This isn’t madden video game.
and that is you are all in for now.......I think it will take 2-3 seasons, to get an effective OL and have this team ready to be an true contender, and that hinges on Webb being the QB of the future....
And if things don't break the right way for us in the draft and free agency, we have wasted a #2 pick.....
The smart move, is to take a qb that you have confidence in for the next 10-15 years.....
Even is Cleveland goes QB with the first pick, maybe that is not your guy, or maybe you rated two qb's the same, so you are not really stuck with him.....the opportunity to get a top rated QB, does not come along, that often....so I feel you have to jump at it, if possible.....
QB is easily the most important position. If the Giants truly want to ensure the team's long term success, the move is to have Davis Webb AND a top draft pick preparing to be the next starter. I think Webb can be a good starter in the NFL, but there is no reason to pass on a guy that could be even better. Smart teams are proactive and plan for the future. Here's hoping Gettleman and Shurmur are looking at more than just the coming season.
is an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side.
i'm just trying to wake people up to the fact that taking a RB at 2 when you need a qb and have a chance to get a good one is really stupid. RB is the most fungible position in football.. Would you rather have Fournette in the first or Kamara in the third? Obv Kamara and I love Fournette.
You are assuming:
1) everyone concurs we need a QB NOW
2) A QB available NOW is one DG has confidence in going forward
3) They've thrown in the towel on WEbb
4) A new QB NOW is going to have success with this roster
5) DG has no contingency plan to aquire a starting qb at a later time that suits his needs, and feels pressured to take one NOW.
one, two three or four of those things may be true, Â
but there is at :EAST a 50/50 shot not ALL of them are true, and if just ONE isn't, he may feel unconstrained, in fact obliged, to take the best player available.Which may not be a QB. Especially if Darnold is gone and they don't think any of the other QBs are worth it.
Barkley gets the fanbase excited because it's a "sexy move". He has a few great years, a few good ones and then when it's time for a big contract the Giants decide to replace him with another RB.
Meanwhile, Rosen lights it up for the Jets for 10-15 years, taking them to the playoffs on a regular basis, while also taking "the city" from the Giants.
How would they be taking the city, though? Are there Giants fans who would become Jets fans (or vice versa)? If so, they're not real fans to begin with, and that's not really taking the city.
If your goal is to collect as many bandwagon fans as possible, that's fine. I just don't really see the appeal in that as a football fan.
i'm just trying to wake people up to the fact that taking a RB at 2 when you need a qb and have a chance to get a good one is really stupid. RB is the most fungible position in football.. Would you rather have Fournette in the first or Kamara in the third? Obv Kamara and I love Fournette.
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is an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side.
i'm just trying to wake people up to the fact that taking a RB at 2 when you need a qb and have a chance to get a good one is really stupid. RB is the most fungible position in football.. Would you rather have Fournette in the first or Kamara in the third? Obv Kamara and I love Fournette.
Except if everyone knew Kamara would be Kamara he would’ve gone top 5. You need to wake up to the fact that the draft is hit or miss and you take the best prospects that have the best chance of hitting. By everyone’s measure that is Barkley. Rosen and the other QBs have too many issues to take that kind of gamble on. This isn’t madden video game.
you know what, I'm not a betting man but I would take the field vs Barkley - one of these guys who goes late 1st or after will have a better year.
By the way - i love Zep too.
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is an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side.
i'm just trying to wake people up to the fact that taking a RB at 2 when you need a qb and have a chance to get a good one is really stupid. RB is the most fungible position in football.. Would you rather have Fournette in the first or Kamara in the third? Obv Kamara and I love Fournette.
Except if everyone knew Kamara would be Kamara he would’ve gone top 5. You need to wake up to the fact that the draft is hit or miss and you take the best prospects that have the best chance of hitting. By everyone’s measure that is Barkley. Rosen and the other QBs have too many issues to take that kind of gamble on. This isn’t madden video game.
I don't agree with BPA - you must consider replacement value. RBs are highly replaceable. That's the point of the Kamara comparison. There are always 2 or 3 guys just as good. In fact, many times you are better off with a timeshare with lesser backs. Pats, Eagles, Vikes all ran the ball well with lesser talent (Ajayi, great talent but used strategically, not primary)
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Barkley starts breaking Giants records left and right and busting 80 yard runs then the twin will really be lost.
you know what, I'm not a betting man but I would take the field vs Barkley - one of these guys who goes late 1st or after will have a better year.
By the way - i love Zep too.
How can you not love Zep? :)
And yeah taking the field gives you better chances. I’d take the field too but that’s not the choice. The choice in front of me is a guy who gets concussions, a guy who can’t hit the side of a building, Baker Mayfield, or a guy who is an athletic freak who checks off all the boxes as far as on the field off the field hard work dedication skill set running and catching and blocking. There’s hardly a bad thing you can say about him. I’m going with that over the other options.
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Barkley starts breaking Giants records left and right and busting 80 yard runs then the twin will really be lost.
you know what, I'm not a betting man but I would take the field vs Barkley - one of these guys who goes late 1st or after will have a better year.
By the way - i love Zep too.
How can you not love Zep? :)
And yeah taking the field gives you better chances. I’d take the field too but that’s not the choice. The choice in front of me is a guy who gets concussions, a guy who can’t hit the side of a building, Baker Mayfield, or a guy who is an athletic freak who checks off all the boxes as far as on the field off the field hard work dedication skill set running and catching and blocking. There’s hardly a bad thing you can say about him. I’m going with that over the other options.
I think you hear my argument. I don't think Barkley is bad. I love him too. I think he will probably be great. It is just a poor allocation of resources to get him at #2 when there are great QB options. Yes these guys have question marks, but most coming out do. And there is a reason that every team that needs a QB are stumbling over themselves to get into position to get one. It's a great class. There could be four stars here. Let's grab one and be one of those stud teams for the next 12. When Barkley is spent, in about 6 years, the stars from this QB class will be entering their primes and probably have one ring on their finger.
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is an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side.
i'm just trying to wake people up to the fact that taking a RB at 2 when you need a qb and have a chance to get a good one is really stupid. RB is the most fungible position in football.. Would you rather have Fournette in the first or Kamara in the third? Obv Kamara and I love Fournette.
If you can guarantee one of the QB’s coiming out is the next coming of Tom Brady or even Russell Wilson, then fine, but there are plenty of other concerns on this team, and they might just feel they have their QB of the future on the roster. I’m simply saying, there’s a chance that might just might be the case.
I’m not advocating for one over the other in fact I go back and forth on a QB, Barkley or trading down and taking Nelson, for instance. To me, the best case scenario is Webb being the guy and taking Barkley and a stud OL like Wynn or Hernandez. Sure, you could take Nelson in a trade down then perhaps one of the top rated RB’s later. Bottom line is, there’s just too much unknown.
You aren’t wrong about RB, I can be sold on taking or not taking Barkley. Same with Rosen.
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is an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side.
i'm just trying to wake people up to the fact that taking a RB at 2 when you need a qb and have a chance to get a good one is really stupid. RB is the most fungible position in football.. Would you rather have Fournette in the first or Kamara in the third? Obv Kamara and I love Fournette.
If you can guarantee one of the QB’s coiming out is the next coming of Tom Brady or even Russell Wilson, then fine, but there are plenty of other concerns on this team, and they might just feel they have their QB of the future on the roster. I’m simply saying, there’s a chance that might just might be the case.
I’m not advocating for one over the other in fact I go back and forth on a QB, Barkley or trading down and taking Nelson, for instance. To me, the best case scenario is Webb being the guy and taking Barkley and a stud OL like Wynn or Hernandez. Sure, you could take Nelson in a trade down then perhaps one of the top rated RB’s later. Bottom line is, there’s just too much unknown.
I hearya. There is a little bit of risk. Nobody knows for sure what will happen. But a guy like Rosen can be Tom Brady. He has elite ball placement, awareness, anticipation and football intelligence skills. I really believe he has a shot to be great. We have Shurmur the QB whisperer and Shula who cant do anything well but mentor a QB. The table is set for this.
in my mind Barkley should be off the table. there are plenty of good rbs, some on the second day. i get the trade down scenario. I don't favor it. I think you take the chance to find Brady or Manning. Those teams win multiple super bowls.
You aren’t wrong about RB, I can be sold on taking or not taking Barkley. Same with Rosen.
thnx, bro. I was just trying to get attention with the kookie headline. But do think about it. What if Rosen is playing for the Jets and his advanced ball skills translate to the NFL. And we have a great RB. I think the Jets will win that one. For a long time.
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is an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side.
i'm just trying to wake people up to the fact that taking a RB at 2 when you need a qb and have a chance to get a good one is really stupid. RB is the most fungible position in football.. Would you rather have Fournette in the first or Kamara in the third? Obv Kamara and I love Fournette.
If you can guarantee one of the QB’s coiming out is the next coming of Tom Brady or even Russell Wilson, then fine, but there are plenty of other concerns on this team, and they might just feel they have their QB of the future on the roster. I’m simply saying, there’s a chance that might just might be the case.
I’m not advocating for one over the other in fact I go back and forth on a QB, Barkley or trading down and taking Nelson, for instance. To me, the best case scenario is Webb being the guy and taking Barkley and a stud OL like Wynn or Hernandez. Sure, you could take Nelson in a trade down then perhaps one of the top rated RB’s later. Bottom line is, there’s just too much unknown.
I hearya. There is a little bit of risk. Nobody knows for sure what will happen. But a guy like Rosen can be Tom Brady. He has elite ball placement, awareness, anticipation and football intelligence skills. I really believe he has a shot to be great. We have Shurmur the QB whisperer and Shula who cant do anything well but mentor a QB. The table is set for this.
in my mind Barkley should be off the table. there are plenty of good rbs, some on the second day. i get the trade down scenario. I don't favor it. I think you take the chance to find Brady or Manning. Those teams win multiple super bowls.
That's the catch, right? Rosen has the tools and you'd jump to get him if it weren't for the concussions.
Barkley gets the fanbase excited because it's a "sexy move". He has a few great years, a few good ones and then when it's time for a big contract the Giants decide to replace him with another RB.
Meanwhile, Rosen lights it up for the Jets for 10-15 years, taking them to the playoffs on a regular basis, while also taking "the city" from the Giants.
Barkley gets the fanbase excited because it's a "sexy move". He has a few great years, a few good ones and then when it's time for a big contract the Giants decide to replace him with another RB.
Meanwhile, Rosen lights it up for the Jets for 10-15 years, taking them to the playoffs on a regular basis, while also taking "the city" from the Giants.
ditto
A top 10 QB is more valuable than the best RB in the game. Heck maybe a top 15 QB is more valuable. Leveon Bell the best RB in the game can't get a contract. Meanwhile Kirk Cousins just got $84M fully guaranteed.
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Barkley starts breaking Giants records left and right and busting 80 yard runs then the twin will really be lost.
you know what, I'm not a betting man but I would take the field vs Barkley - one of these guys who goes late 1st or after will have a better year.
By the way - i love Zep too.
How can you not love Zep? :)
And yeah taking the field gives you better chances. I’d take the field too but that’s not the choice. The choice in front of me is a guy who gets concussions, a guy who can’t hit the side of a building, Baker Mayfield, or a guy who is an athletic freak who checks off all the boxes as far as on the field off the field hard work dedication skill set running and catching and blocking. There’s hardly a bad thing you can say about him. I’m going with that over the other options.
I think you hear my argument. I don't think Barkley is bad. I love him too. I think he will probably be great. It is just a poor allocation of resources to get him at #2 when there are great QB options. Yes these guys have question marks, but most coming out do. And there is a reason that every team that needs a QB are stumbling over themselves to get into position to get one. It's a great class. There could be four stars here. Let's grab one and be one of those stud teams for the next 12. When Barkley is spent, in about 6 years, the stars from this QB class will be entering their primes and probably have one ring on their finger.
That’s the thing. I don’t see the great QB options. They all might turn out to be good or great or they all might be busts.
I feel I’m GM I am in no way willing to risk my job or the franchises future by drafting a guy who has injury issues and desirability to play issues or for a guy who has inaccuracy issues or for Baker Mayfield. Sorry I just can’t do it. If you can guarantee me that Rosen won’t have concussion issues or won’t be fragile or won’t retire at 26 cuz he’s gotten injured more then I’d consider him. But there is no one that can guarantee that.
You could say well Barkley could get injured too. Of course but fact is I already know this guy has shown a tendency of getting injured and this guy has not.
To me it is insane to put th future of th franchise in Rosen’s hands. Sorry it just is. Especially when you already have a vet QB and a guy you drafted last year. I know why the Jets are desperate and are willing to take that risk. I feel we are in a position where we don’t have to take that risk at that position and in fact taking that risk is very foolish.
Could it work out? Sure. But with what we know now I am not willing to take that risk. Give me the guy with more of a shot to wear that golden jacket and that’s Barkley.
I understand there is a chance none of the candidates are a franchise guy.
But it seems to me at #2 in a class that has so many good possibilities that the odds of getting it right in this year s draft, are significantly better than they might be going forward.
Building around Eli, by Selecting a running back, a position with historically short careers, is much more of a risk
Not really "worried". If any other team picked Rosen at 3 right after we made the mistake of picking Barkley and Rosen had a long and successful career it would still hurt a LOT knowing what might have been.
The JETS being Rosen's team would just rub salt in the wound.
It's like not being able to get over your ex and then finding out she's getting married. You'll get over the hurt a lot sooner if she doesn't also move in next door.
How would kamara look in a crappier offense? We know Fournette can elevate the likes of Blake bortles.
This is an example of underrating or overrating RBs.
And your post is speculative.
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In comment 13883702 Stufftherun said:
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is an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side.
i'm just trying to wake people up to the fact that taking a RB at 2 when you need a qb and have a chance to get a good one is really stupid. RB is the most fungible position in football.. Would you rather have Fournette in the first or Kamara in the third? Obv Kamara and I love Fournette.
Except if everyone knew Kamara would be Kamara he would’ve gone top 5. You need to wake up to the fact that the draft is hit or miss and you take the best prospects that have the best chance of hitting. By everyone’s measure that is Barkley. Rosen and the other QBs have too many issues to take that kind of gamble on. This isn’t madden video game.
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And if things don't break the right way for us in the draft and free agency, we have wasted a #2 pick.....
The smart move, is to take a qb that you have confidence in for the next 10-15 years.....
Even is Cleveland goes QB with the first pick, maybe that is not your guy, or maybe you rated two qb's the same, so you are not really stuck with him.....the opportunity to get a top rated QB, does not come along, that often....so I feel you have to jump at it, if possible.....
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is an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side.
i'm just trying to wake people up to the fact that taking a RB at 2 when you need a qb and have a chance to get a good one is really stupid. RB is the most fungible position in football.. Would you rather have Fournette in the first or Kamara in the third? Obv Kamara and I love Fournette.
You are assuming:
1) everyone concurs we need a QB NOW
2) A QB available NOW is one DG has confidence in going forward
3) They've thrown in the towel on WEbb
4) A new QB NOW is going to have success with this roster
5) DG has no contingency plan to aquire a starting qb at a later time that suits his needs, and feels pressured to take one NOW.
Barkley gets the fanbase excited because it's a "sexy move". He has a few great years, a few good ones and then when it's time for a big contract the Giants decide to replace him with another RB.
Meanwhile, Rosen lights it up for the Jets for 10-15 years, taking them to the playoffs on a regular basis, while also taking "the city" from the Giants.
How would they be taking the city, though? Are there Giants fans who would become Jets fans (or vice versa)? If so, they're not real fans to begin with, and that's not really taking the city.
If your goal is to collect as many bandwagon fans as possible, that's fine. I just don't really see the appeal in that as a football fan.