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Building a roster that isn’t QB dependent - biggest impact?

Sean : 3/24/2018 10:15 am
The model has always been to find the franchise QB and then everything else falls into place. We did this with Manning in 04 which yielded 2 SB titles (2011 was especially QB dependent).

I’d argue the following QB’s have been team deodorants in recent history - Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers & Andrew Luck. All of these players can mask team weaknesses, but it hasn’t equaled much success in terms of titles. Even Brady has talent around him & isn’t expected to bail his team out. Arguably the most talented QB in history, Aaron Rodgers has struggled due to lack of talent around him.

The Vikings have built a strong roster which was able to make Case Keemun look like a star & a game short of the Super Bowl. Could this be a suitable model to follow? Build strong line play, and support Eli/Webb with an excellent supporting cast maintaining cap flexibility. Having a roster that isn’t doomed if the QB gets hurt (2017 Eagles). A case study to this is the Ravens - Flacco is certainly a good enough QB, but not good enough to overcome roster deficiencies. The same can be said about Eli post 2011, he can’t mask the problems of the roster.

With all of the above said, which non-QB pick do you think would have the biggest impact in building a sustainable, winning program here?

Barkley - Nelson - Chubb

Plugging in one of these players has a low bust potential & can make a strong impact. If we aren’t going QB, I want to come away with one of the above. Forget trading with the Bills, quantity does not guarantee anything. I do not want another Pugh, Flowers or Apple.
Agree  
Zepp : 3/24/2018 10:17 am : link
If you draft this high you have to come away with a home run hitter. To me that’s Barkley. Nelson looks excellent but not at 2. I’d trade down to 6 but no further. I wouldn’t take Chubb 2 although that’s his value.
I can’t speak to long term success  
UberAlias : 3/24/2018 10:19 am : link
But I think Barkley would have the biggest impact. He would transform the offense and is the only non QB capable of that level of impact.
It’s 1 year.  
Keith : 3/24/2018 10:20 am : link
This is all pointless. Find me a team that consistently wins without a great qb. Please. Just find me 1. Citing the vikes is ridiculous, especially when you factor that they’ve been chasing that guy for a while. A first for Bradford and now huge money to an average qb paid like a star.
If you aren't bulding through your QB first...  
Torrag : 3/24/2018 10:20 am : link
...then you buold through your O-line and pass rush. So Nelson and Chubb become the top priorities. Chubb for me isn't the ideal 'fit' in the scheme Bettcher is reported to favor so I'd give Nelson the edge in your model.
Barkley would make Odell better  
UberAlias : 3/24/2018 10:22 am : link
You can’t sit back there l8ke teams have done on Odell in recent years.
While ultimate success is the clearly the SB, I have always thought  
Jimmy Googs : 3/24/2018 10:25 am : link
the Eagles have done a very good over the past two decades a fielding a competitive team no matter what QB that have had in there. They plug and play with the best of them.

Or at least a really competitive team against our Eli-led Giants...
Not counting last season....  
Keith : 3/24/2018 10:31 am : link
Since McNabb, the eagles made the playoffs 2 times in 7 years(once with Vick, the #1 overall pick) and lost both those games in the wildcard rd. Then they drafted a franchise qb, #2 overall, who had an mvp caliber season and they won the sb.
Barkley easily  
Tim in VA : 3/24/2018 10:33 am : link
It can't be understated what a run game would do to improve our offense. Also his skills as a pass blocker and receiver. We have to get defenses to respect the threat of our ground attack
It worked for David Carr and the Texans  
Bill L : 3/24/2018 10:50 am : link
So, why not?
RE: While ultimate success is the clearly the SB, I have always thought  
Bill L : 3/24/2018 10:53 am : link
In comment 13884009 Jimmy Googs said:
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the Eagles have done a very good over the past two decades a fielding a competitive team no matter what QB that have had in there. They plug and play with the best of them.

Or at least a really competitive team against our Eli-led Giants...

I think if you go back and look at successful teams, you’ll find of myriad of ways to succeed. I don’t think it’s absolutely necessary to have a great QB, although obviously it helps. Likewise, you don’t need to be super-stellar in any other single position. In fact, I think you would do much better by having broader greatness than just a single outstanding QB. I know everyone here want us to play 1v11, but there really are other ways to go about it.
RE: Not counting last season....  
ryanmkeane : 3/24/2018 10:54 am : link
In comment 13884014 Keith said:
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Since McNabb, the eagles made the playoffs 2 times in 7 years(once with Vick, the #1 overall pick) and lost both those games in the wildcard rd. Then they drafted a franchise qb, #2 overall, who had an mvp caliber season and they won the sb.

They won the SB without Wentz though, which would prove the OP’s point
To answer your question  
Breeze_94 : 3/24/2018 11:09 am : link
I think Chubb or Barkley would have the biggest impact, but Chubb probably has a longer shelf life. Plus you can never go wrong with a great pass-rusher.
RE: RE: Not counting last season....  
Keith : 3/24/2018 11:10 am : link
In comment 13884036 ryanmkeane said:
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In comment 13884014 Keith said:


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Since McNabb, the eagles made the playoffs 2 times in 7 years(once with Vick, the #1 overall pick) and lost both those games in the wildcard rd. Then they drafted a franchise qb, #2 overall, who had an mvp caliber season and they won the sb.


They won the SB without Wentz though, which would prove the OP’s point


Cmon. Wentz was an mvp all season and got them to that point where all the backup had to do was win a few games. Do you really think they win a sb w foles as the qb all season???? Get real.
You can win with a meh QB  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 3/24/2018 12:56 pm : link
with a dominant D and good running game, which is complementary. 85 Bears, arguably 80s Giants, Warren Sapp Tampa Bay, and Ray Lewis Ravens.
They most certainly don't win a super bowl with Wentz as the QB  
wgenesis123 : 3/24/2018 1:01 pm : link
all season. Many. many teams do what the Eagles did with Wentz and win nothing. What Foles did was as hard as it gets!
What exactly have the Vikings accomplished?  
giantstock : 3/24/2018 10:33 pm : link
OFC a Qb can't win it alone. This means you don't draft a QB? Silly.

BTW, Brady still is a beast. How many championships and playoff wins and great games does he need to perform at such a high standard of play to convince you he's the motor that runs New England's engine?
RE: You can win with a meh QB  
giantstock : 3/24/2018 10:36 pm : link
In comment 13884198 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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with a dominant D and good running game, which is complementary. 85 Bears, arguably 80s Giants, Warren Sapp Tampa Bay, and Ray Lewis Ravens.


But unless you have Lawrence Taylor -- it's hard for your defense to sustain. Especially with FA. The QB can give you sustainment if properly managed and utilized.
Building a roster for how far into the future...  
GFAN52 : 3/24/2018 10:41 pm : link
assuming Eli's play falls off the cliff in a year or two and Webb isn't the answer, then what is the QB plan?
Sustained excellence....  
bw in dc : 3/24/2018 10:56 pm : link
That is the goal.

Every team in the history of this league - pre and post SB eras - have had a difference making QB.

Here’s what makes the OP’s proposal virtually impossible - the f-ckin cap. It’s designed to transfer success from one team to another. It rewards losers. That’s why so many teams go from toast to first almost every single year. It’s the worst system.

The only remedy is the franchise QB. That’s why you have to be desperate to get one and should ALWAYS draft a QB every year.
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