This is not necessarily an anti-OBJ thread...just thought it was worth bringing up.
2012 National Championship vs. Alabama (Loss)
5 catches for 38 yards
0 Touchdowns
2013 Chick-fil-a Bowl vs Clemson (Loss)
3 catches for 40 yards
0 Touchdowns
1 KR avg. 5 yards
4 PR avg. 5 yards
2014 Outback Bowl vs. Iowa (Won)
2 catches for 35 yards
0 Touchdowns
2 KR avg. 19 yards
1 PR avg. 5 yards
2016 Wild Card Playoffs vs. Green Bay
4 catches for 28 yards
0 Touchdowns
2 KR avg. 24 yards
3-48 0TDs
3-28 0TDs
Heck, I'm all for a well reasoned argument. This is the exact opposite. An intelligent person says, "What do I expect from wide receivers in a big game whose QBs are Zach Mettenberger, Jordan Jefferson, and Anthony Jennings?" "And in light of that information, should I even bring this up?"
There's a reason Les Miles got fired.
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No one is shitting on Snacks.
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People coming out of the wood work to shit on our best player and ask for him to be traded for pipe dreams. What a mess.
No one is shitting on Snacks.
Snacks let OBJ babysit his kid. What a terrible person/teammate he must be!
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People coming out of the wood work to shit on our best player and ask for him to be traded for pipe dreams. What a mess.
No one is shitting on Snacks.
I see what you did there. Took an inaccurate point and used it to suit your anti-OBJ agenda yet again. You're becoming a more well-tenured Frankie in Flushing.
BBI is a hockey message board for me at this point
2012 BCS championship: Jordan Jefferson, who sucked.
2013 Chick-fil-A Bowl: Zach Mettenberger, who sucked.
2014 Outback Bowl: Anthony Jennings, who was the worst of the three.
LSU quarterbacking while OBJ was there was abysmal and the biggest reason why they didn't win a title.
Man, you are exceptional at holding grudges. I hope I don't mess up in your presence.
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...but honestly, he lost me as a fan on this play.
Man, you are exceptional at holding grudges. I hope I don't mess up in your presence.
Don't cross me. >:)
I'm glad there are still well-reasoned posters here.
Maybe go watch a church flag football team since you want all choir boys? He made a mistake, but he was baited into it. Do you expect everyone to be perfect always?
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How many drops did he have?
He had 2, but I'm sure by the next time this is brought up, the total will be 7 or 8.
I think he lost focus from thinking about the boat trip.......
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Without him.
0 with him too.
Agreed, but it was several years ago, he seems to have learned from it, and it didn't happen in a bubble. Norman definitely acted in a despicable way in that game. That doesn't excuse what Odell did, but he paid the price and at some point don't you chalk that up as a learning experience from a young player?
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...but honestly, he lost me as a fan on this play.
Man, you are exceptional at holding grudges. I hope I don't mess up in your presence.
If it was just one play, that would be fine. There are games each year where he does things on the field that make you question where his head is at. Like punching the Bills player. The fight in the Rams game. The sideline antics in the Redskins game 2 years ago.
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Then, he gets cheap-shotted and people treat it like Beckham is the anti-Christ.
For those who think that isn't true - look back in the archives about comments made towards Brian Dawkins. I bet there would be a segment who would've applauded Seubert earholing that jacknut, especially if Dawkins bodyslammed eli earlier in the game without a flag.
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...but honestly, he lost me as a fan on this play.
Man, you are exceptional at holding grudges. I hope I don't mess up in your presence.
If it was just one play, that would be fine. There are games each year where he does things on the field that make you question where his head is at. Like punching the Bills player. The fight in the Rams game. The sideline antics in the Redskins game 2 years ago. Link - ( New Window )
The rams game was headhunting caught on video. Let's not forget that part of it.
So whatever OBJ's lackluster production looks like on paper - at LSU - I can assure you it's more for a lack of trigger man than OBJ not showing up...
Just out of curiosity, what are the trash posts?
Are they trash because they don't agree with your opinion? I'll go on the record saying I hope OBJ is a Giant going forward but I will also go on the record saying I hope NYG do not overspend for him.
Some of the dissenting opinions I've heard are legitimate
- PFs in the Carolina game
- Injury concerns
- Lack of big-game performance
- Off field distractions
If OBJ was on the Cowboys (or WAS, NYG, PHL, etc) I think the narrative on this site would be different.
If the Giants tag him this year, and he plays his heart out with minimal on/off field antics then I would say let's wrap this guy up for life. This year will be telling.
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...but honestly, he lost me as a fan on this play.
Man, you are exceptional at holding grudges. I hope I don't mess up in your presence.
If it was just one play, that would be fine. There are games each year where he does things on the field that make you question where his head is at. Like punching the Bills player. The fight in the Rams game. The sideline antics in the Redskins game 2 years ago. Link - ( New Window )
The rams game was headhunting caught on video. Let's not forget that part of it.
And therein lies another problem. EVERY defensive back in the NFL is trying to knock his socks off. Which is a scary thought.
All you have to do is look back at threads talking about Bryant in his prime and a lot of people said they would take him in a heartbeat here. Ironically, some of the people who said that are the ones killing Beckham.
That point isn't lost on me.
Like jackass Jeremy Shockey, I tolerate Beckham. For all his warts - he performs. He plays with heart, has remarkable talent - IMO, he is the most talented Wide Receiver the New York Giants have ever had.
But I won't be running out to buy a jersey anytime soon.
I would laugh if he got traded to the Browns. Money is money, but a perennial loser would be terrible.
2012 BCS championship: Jordan Jefferson, who sucked.
2013 Chick-fil-A Bowl: Zach Mettenberger, who sucked.
2014 Outback Bowl: Anthony Jennings, who was the worst of the three.
LSU quarterbacking while OBJ was there was abysmal and the biggest reason why they didn't win a title.
Amen! The fact that OBJ was able to make himself a first round pick with those people throwing to him is impressive in itself. I remember watching that National Championship game against Bama and cheering if Jordan Jefferson threw the ball within 5 yards of a receiver.
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Quick question - who were the LSU QBs in those games?
2012 BCS championship: Jordan Jefferson, who sucked.
2013 Chick-fil-A Bowl: Zach Mettenberger, who sucked.
2014 Outback Bowl: Anthony Jennings, who was the worst of the three.
LSU quarterbacking while OBJ was there was abysmal and the biggest reason why they didn't win a title.
Amen! The fact that OBJ was able to make himself a first round pick with those people throwing to him is impressive in itself. I remember watching that National Championship game against Bama and cheering if Jordan Jefferson threw the ball within 5 yards of a receiver.
Is his lack of success, Eli's fault then? lol
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I would understand that 100%. That would be the most legitimate reason for having something against him. Far more legitimate than any of the trash posts about him that are littering the site.
Just out of curiosity, what are the trash posts?
Are they trash because they don't agree with your opinion? I'll go on the record saying I hope OBJ is a Giant going forward but I will also go on the record saying I hope NYG do not overspend for him.
Some of the dissenting opinions I've heard are legitimate
- PFs in the Carolina game
- Injury concerns
- Lack of big-game performance
- Off field distractions
If OBJ was on the Cowboys (or WAS, NYG, PHL, etc) I think the narrative on this site would be different.
If the Giants tag him this year, and he plays his heart out with minimal on/off field antics then I would say let's wrap this guy up for life. This year will be telling.
They're not legitimate, other than the carolina game.
If you believe a broken ankle after years of consistent health is a concern, why?
If you believe being 0-1 in postseason appearances is a concern, why? He has the same questions to answer as Eli did when he was pathetic against the Panthers in his first postseason game back in 05. Except, he's better at his job than 2005 Eli Manning was.
What off-field distractions? Who was distracted, when? Is the draft not getting prepared for properly because Odell Beckham is spending his offseason out trying to bag wannabe models? Has he missed any practices? Was he out partying and showed up to anything late? Are coaches complaining because his effort is being questioned? If people hate seeing him on twitter and instagram, why is anyone on it? There's a cluster of middle aged working people who claim to hate social media yet camp on social media and wait to click what he does next, good or bad. I don't care what athletes do in their personal lives as long as it doesn't violate their contract or turn them into worse football players. And I was heavily in favor of him sitting the rest of the regular season for his actions in the Josh Norman game.
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I would understand that 100%. That would be the most legitimate reason for having something against him. Far more legitimate than any of the trash posts about him that are littering the site.
Just out of curiosity, what are the trash posts?
Are they trash because they don't agree with your opinion? I'll go on the record saying I hope OBJ is a Giant going forward but I will also go on the record saying I hope NYG do not overspend for him.
Some of the dissenting opinions I've heard are legitimate
- PFs in the Carolina game
- Injury concerns
- Lack of big-game performance
- Off field distractions
If OBJ was on the Cowboys (or WAS, NYG, PHL, etc) I think the narrative on this site would be different.
If the Giants tag him this year, and he plays his heart out with minimal on/off field antics then I would say let's wrap this guy up for life. This year will be telling.
They're not legitimate, other than the carolina game.
If you believe a broken ankle after years of consistent health is a concern, why?
If you believe being 0-1 in postseason appearances is a concern, why? He has the same questions to answer as Eli did when he was pathetic against the Panthers in his first postseason game back in 05. Except, he's better at his job than 2005 Eli Manning was.
What off-field distractions? Who was distracted, when? Is the draft not getting prepared for properly because Odell Beckham is spending his offseason out trying to bag wannabe models? Has he missed any practices? Was he out partying and showed up to anything late? Are coaches complaining because his effort is being questioned? If people hate seeing him on twitter and instagram, why is anyone on it? There's a cluster of middle aged working people who claim to hate social media yet camp on social media and wait to click what he does next, good or bad. I don't care what athletes do in their personal lives as long as it doesn't violate their contract or turn them into worse football players. And I was heavily in favor of him sitting the rest of the regular season for his actions in the Josh Norman game.
When it comes to the question of making him the highest paid WR (or player) in the NFL then yeah they're legitimate concerns.
You think Beckham has had a lack of success??
Jesus Christ.
IF the price is right - he goes.
Very few players remain with the team that drafted them.
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I would understand that 100%. That would be the most legitimate reason for having something against him. Far more legitimate than any of the trash posts about him that are littering the site.
Just out of curiosity, what are the trash posts?
Are they trash because they don't agree with your opinion? I'll go on the record saying I hope OBJ is a Giant going forward but I will also go on the record saying I hope NYG do not overspend for him.
Some of the dissenting opinions I've heard are legitimate
- PFs in the Carolina game
- Injury concerns
- Lack of big-game performance
- Off field distractions
If OBJ was on the Cowboys (or WAS, NYG, PHL, etc) I think the narrative on this site would be different.
If the Giants tag him this year, and he plays his heart out with minimal on/off field antics then I would say let's wrap this guy up for life. This year will be telling.
If you believe being 0-1 in postseason appearances is a concern, why? He has the same questions to answer as Eli did when he was pathetic against the Panthers in his first postseason game back in 05. Except, he's better at his job than 2005 Eli Manning was.
Eli wasn't given his huge contracts until after he won the SB right?
Those don't count
He took a helmet to the ankle in a preseason game, played on that damage, and took another hit that finished the job. It can be a concern if you want, but any player who is that critical to a team's offense is going to carry the same target. If they get Barkley, and he's a great RB, teams are going to gameplan around taking him out of the game too. Some legally, other's not so much.
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part of the injury concern is that when you have a polarizing player like Beckam who has a target on his back concern for injury is definitely legit. Look at the game he got hurt in last year. Also it's been repeated on this site that other players go after him, so yeah an exorbitant investment will carry a ton of risk.
He took a helmet to the ankle in a preseason game, played on that damage, and took another hit that finished the job. It can be a concern if you want, but any player who is that critical to a team's offense is going to carry the same target. If they get Barkley, and he's a great RB, teams are going to gameplan around taking him out of the game too. Some legally, other's not so much.
Fundamentally I agree with you but Barkley isn't going to be potentially the highest paid WR in league history.
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I would understand that 100%. That would be the most legitimate reason for having something against him. Far more legitimate than any of the trash posts about him that are littering the site.
Just out of curiosity, what are the trash posts?
Are they trash because they don't agree with your opinion? I'll go on the record saying I hope OBJ is a Giant going forward but I will also go on the record saying I hope NYG do not overspend for him.
Some of the dissenting opinions I've heard are legitimate
- PFs in the Carolina game
- Injury concerns
- Lack of big-game performance
- Off field distractions
If OBJ was on the Cowboys (or WAS, NYG, PHL, etc) I think the narrative on this site would be different.
If the Giants tag him this year, and he plays his heart out with minimal on/off field antics then I would say let's wrap this guy up for life. This year will be telling.
If you believe being 0-1 in postseason appearances is a concern, why? He has the same questions to answer as Eli did when he was pathetic against the Panthers in his first postseason game back in 05. Except, he's better at his job than 2005 Eli Manning was.
Eli wasn't given his huge contracts until after he won the SB right?
You think they would have let him leave over money if he never made the super bowl before contract talks? Really?
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part of the injury concern is that when you have a polarizing player like Beckam who has a target on his back concern for injury is definitely legit. Look at the game he got hurt in last year. Also it's been repeated on this site that other players go after him, so yeah an exorbitant investment will carry a ton of risk.
He took a helmet to the ankle in a preseason game, played on that damage, and took another hit that finished the job. It can be a concern if you want, but any player who is that critical to a team's offense is going to carry the same target. If they get Barkley, and he's a great RB, teams are going to gameplan around taking him out of the game too. Some legally, other's not so much.
Fundamentally I agree with you but Barkley isn't going to be potentially the highest paid WR in league history.
Just because Beckham stated it as a goal doesn't mean it's going to happen. I'm not operating under the assumption that it is. Players want tons of money. Negotiations happen. A contract is reached that both sides agree to.
Regardless, we do realize how many times over the last ten years the Giants have made some player the x highest paid player at his position, right?
Question - is it a guarantee that he will get back to 100%?
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part of the injury concern is that when you have a polarizing player like Beckam who has a target on his back concern for injury is definitely legit. Look at the game he got hurt in last year. Also it's been repeated on this site that other players go after him, so yeah an exorbitant investment will carry a ton of risk.
He took a helmet to the ankle in a preseason game, played on that damage, and took another hit that finished the job. It can be a concern if you want, but any player who is that critical to a team's offense is going to carry the same target. If they get Barkley, and he's a great RB, teams are going to gameplan around taking him out of the game too. Some legally, other's not so much.
Fundamentally I agree with you but Barkley isn't going to be potentially the highest paid WR in league history.
Just because Beckham stated it as a goal doesn't mean it's going to happen. I'm not operating under the assumption that it is. Players want tons of money. Negotiations happen. A contract is reached that both sides agree to.
Regardless, we do realize how many times over the last ten years the Giants have made some player the x highest paid player at his position, right?
The reason why players want to take out Beckham isnt money related or talent related. Beckham is a flashy player that talks A LOT of trash. Im sure there are a lot of players in the league that do not care for his antics and him showing opposing players up. Barkley, in every game I have seen is not nearly that type of player and is very workman like. Very nice kid off the field. Goes about his business.
Im not saying this as an OBJ hater either. I am just stating but what I see and read.
OBJ is a great player. You;'d want to keep him. But t suggest the Giants shouldn't accept +value for any player after this team went 3-13 is just mind-numbing.
The WR position is NOT the most important position in football. If you can't sign him long-term for reasonable value or if team gives you more value you take it.
I can't believe some are treating OBJ like he's some immortal deity. I think some forget this is a business too. The negotiation shouldn't mean the Giants will have to eventually cave. Reminder to Giants football fans: Last year's team was 3-13.
Last year's team was 3-13.
Last year's team was 3-13.
Last year's team was 3-13.
Last year's team was 3-13.
OBJ is a great player. You;'d want to keep him. But t suggest the Giants shouldn't accept +value for any player after this team went 3-13 is just mind-numbing.
The WR position is NOT the most important position in football. If you can't sign him long-term for reasonable value or if team gives you more value you take it.
I can't believe some are treating OBJ like he's some immortal deity. I think some forget this is a business too. The negotiation shouldn't mean the Giants will have to eventually cave. Reminder to Giants football fans: Last year's team was 3-13.
Last year's team was 3-13.
Last year's team was 3-13.
Last year's team was 3-13.
Last year's team was 3-13.
How many games did Beckham play last year?
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I think some posters need to realize this.
OBJ is a great player. You;'d want to keep him. But t suggest the Giants shouldn't accept +value for any player after this team went 3-13 is just mind-numbing.
The WR position is NOT the most important position in football. If you can't sign him long-term for reasonable value or if team gives you more value you take it.
I can't believe some are treating OBJ like he's some immortal deity. I think some forget this is a business too. The negotiation shouldn't mean the Giants will have to eventually cave. Reminder to Giants football fans: Last year's team was 3-13.
Last year's team was 3-13.
Last year's team was 3-13.
Last year's team was 3-13.
Last year's team was 3-13.
How many games did Beckham play last year?
The Giants were 0 - 5 with OBJ
The Giants were 3 - 8 without OBJ
conclusion -- the Giants are better without him.
second, I think we can agree the OL/QB/RB play contributed a lot to the anemic offense. I won't hold that against Odell
The WR position is NOT the most important position in football. If you can't sign him long-term for reasonable value or if team gives you more value you take it.
I think this is largely true. I have never seen two positions that have created more supply the last 15 years than RBs and WRs. They fall from the trees like acorns. The rules are so much more advantageous for a WR that perhaps that has something to do with it...easier to get off the LOS and RBs are getting better match-ups on passing plays, and it's easier to run against dime and nickel...
Question - is it a guarantee that he will get back to 100%?
Bones are certainly a safer bet than ligaments. O'Hara just had that conversation on the radio last week. Said he'd take a broken bone over a torn knee ten times out of ten.
Does that make me an anti O' Dell guy.
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I would understand that 100%. That would be the most legitimate reason for having something against him. Far more legitimate than any of the trash posts about him that are littering the site.
Just out of curiosity, what are the trash posts?
Are they trash because they don't agree with your opinion? I'll go on the record saying I hope OBJ is a Giant going forward but I will also go on the record saying I hope NYG do not overspend for him.
Some of the dissenting opinions I've heard are legitimate
- PFs in the Carolina game
- Injury concerns
- Lack of big-game performance
- Off field distractions
If OBJ was on the Cowboys (or WAS, NYG, PHL, etc) I think the narrative on this site would be different.
If the Giants tag him this year, and he plays his heart out with minimal on/off field antics then I would say let's wrap this guy up for life. This year will be telling.
If you believe being 0-1 in postseason appearances is a concern, why? He has the same questions to answer as Eli did when he was pathetic against the Panthers in his first postseason game back in 05. Except, he's better at his job than 2005 Eli Manning was.
Eli wasn't given his huge contracts until after he won the SB right?
That happened to coincide with him nearing the end of his rookie contract. That was also back before the current rookie wage scale. Eli signed a 6 year, $45MM contract as a rookie and had been paid ~$36MM before he won his first SB. That's close to twice as much in four years as Beckham will have made in first five years. Eli entered the league with a huge contract - it's not really comparable.
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People coming out of the wood work to shit on our best player and ask for him to be traded for pipe dreams. What a mess.
No one is shitting on Snacks.
I love that Terps posted this without even realizing that Snacks trusts Beckham to babysit his children, or that Snacks trashed Pat Leonard on Twitter today.
But there's definitely no bias or agenda in his posts.
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I think some posters need to realize this.
OBJ is a great player. You;'d want to keep him. But t suggest the Giants shouldn't accept +value for any player after this team went 3-13 is just mind-numbing.
The WR position is NOT the most important position in football. If you can't sign him long-term for reasonable value or if team gives you more value you take it.
I can't believe some are treating OBJ like he's some immortal deity. I think some forget this is a business too. The negotiation shouldn't mean the Giants will have to eventually cave. Reminder to Giants football fans: Last year's team was 3-13.
Last year's team was 3-13.
Last year's team was 3-13.
Last year's team was 3-13.
Last year's team was 3-13.
How many games did Beckham play last year?
The Giants were 0 - 5 with OBJ
The Giants were 3 - 8 without OBJ
conclusion -- the Giants are better without him.
Even with last season factored in, the Giants have a significantly better record with Beckham in the lineup than without. And Eli is basically an all-pro when throwing to Beckham, but statistically turns into a slightly better Trevor Siemian when throwing to other receivers.
Conclusion -- you continue to embarrass yourself.
Do you think it's unreasonable for me, or any other fans, to trust Harrison's assessment of Beckham over yours? And for the record, Snacks was trashing Leonard ABOUT the Beckham article.
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Snacks is a great player. I don't care who babysits his kid or what he thinks of the hack Leonard. What does that have to do with anything?
Do you think it's unreasonable for me, or any other fans, to trust Harrison's assessment of Beckham over yours? And for the record, Snacks was trashing Leonard ABOUT the Beckham article.
I know he was trashing Leonard. Shit, I'd trash Leonard for it too. It's clearly made up bullshit.
Who Snacks trusts with his kid is his business. I don't know why you even know this information.
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Snacks is a great player. I don't care who babysits his kid or what he thinks of the hack Leonard. What does that have to do with anything?
Do you think it's unreasonable for me, or any other fans, to trust Harrison's assessment of Beckham over yours? And for the record, Snacks was trashing Leonard ABOUT the Beckham article.
I know he was trashing Leonard. Shit, I'd trash Leonard for it too. It's clearly made up bullshit.
Who Snacks trusts with his kid is his business. I don't know why you even know this information.
I know it because Snacks said it.
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