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Where does all the OBJ hate stem from?

BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/27/2018 11:47 am
I have a feeling it all stems from the OBJ/Norman fight.

There have been other celebrityesque tweets, media, etc. that feed into it, but without that fight I think they are all easily brushed under the rug.

So I ask the OBJ haters, if the OBJ/Norman fight had never happened would you still be this upset over the other things?
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Wrong!!  
Gmen86900711 : 3/27/2018 12:52 pm : link
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of fans. And yes it’s with out a doubt generational. People like LT, Jim Brown, or even a more recent example like Marvin Harrison were all genuine pieces of garbage humans but because they acted professional on the field people gave them a pass. Whereas OBJ is flamboyant and at times immature and the older generation views that as the most unforgivable sin of all despite the fact reports have him being a genuinely nice human.



Ding Ding Ding!


Way to stereotype this. You couldn't be more wrong. I'm a stand on 3rd down kind of guy and I'm 39. That doesn't mean I have to like Diva type players. I like the player OBJ is but I don't like his antics. Why would anyone approve of his request for QB type $ when Antonio Brown who is unquestionably the best WR in football is at $17 million per year. And by the way Brown just gave money back to the Steelers to help their cap situation. Accept 17-18 million a year and count your blessings. No sports athlete should be making this kind of $. Sad world we live in.
The comparisons are LT don't make much sense  
Mike from Ohio : 3/27/2018 12:54 pm : link
LT's transgressions happened (aside from the suspension) off the field and with no social media so fans could just ignore them and focus on the player. What Odell does happens on the field during the games, so everybody sees it.
Trying to classify this to certain "groups" is a waste of time  
PatersonPlank : 3/27/2018 12:55 pm : link
Fact is that you can find people on BBI that hate every single player, and since they are usually the squeeky wheels and post on that topic more than other people, it gives a false impression. You see it with OBJ, Eli, any QB coming out, Barkley, Pugh, Solder (even though he didn't even get here yet), etc.

And to make it worse they all are convinced they are spouting facts, even though its just their opinion, and people who disagree with them are idots.
RE: RE: Some of the people fanning the flames  
Gmen86900711 : 3/27/2018 1:00 pm : link
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the most are people like Cris Carter, but sure, it's old white dudes.

sometimes people are so blinded by their own racist thoughts or tendencies they project it on everyone else. Yes, I'm calling you out adamg.

Not everything is about race.

I am a Beckham fan, I don't care about the off-field stuff, I don't care if he's a saint, I don't care if he visits hospitals or donates a kidney to a sick kid, or if he's having jumpsuit parties with Drake or Gronk or snorting lines off a hookers ass, goes on boat trips or anywhere else. Don't care.

I care only about the on-field performance. period. with Beckham, with Eli, and everyone else while they're in a Giants uniform.

I'd like the Giants to re-sign Beckham, I want him to end his career has an all-time Giants great and all time NFL great and eventually make it to the HOF as a career Giant with some super bowl rings.

I prefer when he plays his emotions don't cost the team field position like when he pees like a dog after a TD catch, or spears defenseless players in the head, but if he doesn't draw a flag for it, I don't care how he celebrates or how emotional he is.

I don't care what color my skin is or his is, I doubt my philosophy of rooting for laundry ever changes.


Fanning the flames was a better take. When you get into the psychobabble bullshit about projection, you're way off. I'm white. And I absolutely think some of the hate for Beckham is based on race. I don't think that's a stretch. If calling that out reveals some underlying racism, that's beyond reaching for you to say.


Way off!! 60-70% of the league is black. Most of my favorite Giants of all-time are black. Most of my favorite current Giants are black minus Eli. This is not a race thing. I just don't like his antics. I prefer a classy player that knows he's good and doesn't have to strut his stuff constantly. Sorry if I prefer Amani Toomer's style to OBJ's behavior. By the way Amani Toomer was black and is a Super Bowl Champion. OBJ has a long was to go before he is as revered as much as Toomer. And it has nothing to do with stats/race.
If Odell goes for 150 and a TD in that Packers playoff game  
JonC : 3/27/2018 1:04 pm : link
it means he showed up and did his job well, most likely. And that's the point, he didn't do that. None of them did, but we're talking abot OB here.
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eric2425ny : 3/27/2018 1:05 pm : link
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the most are people like Cris Carter, but sure, it's old white dudes.

sometimes people are so blinded by their own racist thoughts or tendencies they project it on everyone else. Yes, I'm calling you out adamg.

Not everything is about race.

I am a Beckham fan, I don't care about the off-field stuff, I don't care if he's a saint, I don't care if he visits hospitals or donates a kidney to a sick kid, or if he's having jumpsuit parties with Drake or Gronk or snorting lines off a hookers ass, goes on boat trips or anywhere else. Don't care.

I care only about the on-field performance. period. with Beckham, with Eli, and everyone else while they're in a Giants uniform.

I'd like the Giants to re-sign Beckham, I want him to end his career has an all-time Giants great and all time NFL great and eventually make it to the HOF as a career Giant with some super bowl rings.

I prefer when he plays his emotions don't cost the team field position like when he pees like a dog after a TD catch, or spears defenseless players in the head, but if he doesn't draw a flag for it, I don't care how he celebrates or how emotional he is.

I don't care what color my skin is or his is, I doubt my philosophy of rooting for laundry ever changes.


Fanning the flames was a better take. When you get into the psychobabble bullshit about projection, you're way off. I'm white. And I absolutely think some of the hate for Beckham is based on race. I don't think that's a stretch. If calling that out reveals some underlying racism, that's beyond reaching for you to say.



Way off!! 60-70% of the league is black. Most of my favorite Giants of all-time are black. Most of my favorite current Giants are black minus Eli. This is not a race thing. I just don't like his antics. I prefer a classy player that knows he's good and doesn't have to strut his stuff constantly. Sorry if I prefer Amani Toomer's style to OBJ's behavior. By the way Amani Toomer was black and is a Super Bowl Champion. OBJ has a long was to go before he is as revered as much as Toomer. And it has nothing to do with stats/race.


Exactly, this is not a racial debate. The guy acts like a clown half the time. If Rhett Ellison was doing this stuff we would all say the same thing.
I am admittedly one of Beckham's biggest critics  
Chris684 : 3/27/2018 1:06 pm : link
on this site.

I'm in my early 30's, white, and I'm not a racist.

If anyone were to know me based on my positions on different topics on BBI, they'd know that I was one of the most ardent supporters of JPP, before, during and after his accident, which is exactly what that was, an accident.

It has always been my opinion that JPP was misunderstood by the Giant fanbase and inaccurately categorized as lazy.

But I'm just an old, racist white guy!

It's everyone's fault but Beckham's  
Go Terps : 3/27/2018 1:07 pm : link
Newspapers, Josh Norman, Alec Ogletree, Duke Williams, Xavier Rhodes, social media, fans, refs, old white dudes, French models, kicking nets, Gronk, dogs that pee, and on and on and on.
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Gmen86900711 : 3/27/2018 1:08 pm : link
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the most are people like Cris Carter, but sure, it's old white dudes.

sometimes people are so blinded by their own racist thoughts or tendencies they project it on everyone else. Yes, I'm calling you out adamg.

Not everything is about race.

I am a Beckham fan, I don't care about the off-field stuff, I don't care if he's a saint, I don't care if he visits hospitals or donates a kidney to a sick kid, or if he's having jumpsuit parties with Drake or Gronk or snorting lines off a hookers ass, goes on boat trips or anywhere else. Don't care.

I care only about the on-field performance. period. with Beckham, with Eli, and everyone else while they're in a Giants uniform.

I'd like the Giants to re-sign Beckham, I want him to end his career has an all-time Giants great and all time NFL great and eventually make it to the HOF as a career Giant with some super bowl rings.

I prefer when he plays his emotions don't cost the team field position like when he pees like a dog after a TD catch, or spears defenseless players in the head, but if he doesn't draw a flag for it, I don't care how he celebrates or how emotional he is.

I don't care what color my skin is or his is, I doubt my philosophy of rooting for laundry ever changes.


Fanning the flames was a better take. When you get into the psychobabble bullshit about projection, you're way off. I'm white. And I absolutely think some of the hate for Beckham is based on race. I don't think that's a stretch. If calling that out reveals some underlying racism, that's beyond reaching for you to say.



Way off!! 60-70% of the league is black. Most of my favorite Giants of all-time are black. Most of my favorite current Giants are black minus Eli. This is not a race thing. I just don't like his antics. I prefer a classy player that knows he's good and doesn't have to strut his stuff constantly. Sorry if I prefer Amani Toomer's style to OBJ's behavior. By the way Amani Toomer was black and is a Super Bowl Champion. OBJ has a long was to go before he is as revered as much as Toomer. And it has nothing to do with stats/race.



Exactly, this is not a racial debate. The guy acts like a clown half the time. If Rhett Ellison was doing this stuff we would all say the same thing.


Exactly. And just to support that point I loved Shockey as a player. But once his antics started to hurt the team and Eli's progression I was ready to move on from him. Guess what he's white!!!!
No hate from me  
Thegratefulhead : 3/27/2018 1:10 pm : link
We all like different things. I certainly don’t hate Odell, I don’t even dislike him. I don’t like some of his on field actions. I would like him to retire as a Giant. I hope the Giants make him the highest paid receiver ever.

I would rather trade him, ONLY, if his demands exceed 18.5 million a year and more than 60m guaranteed. I believe opposing players want to hurt him. I think he is going to get injured again. If he really wants Garrapolo money I hope we trade him instead. That doesn’t make racist, it doesn’t make me a hater, it makes me pragmatic.
Long contentious holdouts by a teams’ best player can damage a team. Coming off 3-13, if we could get 2 number ones(Galloway deal) and if his contract demands exceed what I talked about earlier, I hope the Giants seriously consider it. Lot of ifs there.

More ifs. If his contract demands are ridiculous but we don’t get at an offer of least 2 number ones, I would let him hold out, fine him the max, then franchise him for 2 years. His game is largely based on explosion, 3 years from now he might be the guy he is now anymore.
Love watching OBJ  
exiled : 3/27/2018 1:12 pm : link
I'm so, so grateful the Giants drafted a player with that kind of talent. And he gets along with his teammates. These are the only things that matter. I think there's a lot of overreaction to his antics. To answer your question, the tipping point seemed to be the boat ride, but I thought the hyperventilation around that was BS.

-- old white lady
Perfect Scenerio  
Gmen86900711 : 3/27/2018 1:18 pm : link
Just to show you that racism is not the issue here my preference is not to trade OBJ. It's for OBJ to grow up and come back to reality in his contract negotiations. I want him to be the best WR in Giants history. Take less money to stay in NY. Your endorsements here far out weigh anything you'll get elsewhere. Help Eli and the Giants get the 5th ring. Stop being so selfish and fully buy in to this great organization and city. It's not always greener on the other side. You got it good here. Change your reputation and make it a goal to be a better person. Stay out of the public eye. I really don't care what you do in private. But keep it private.
There are haters and there are  
nyballa0891 : 3/27/2018 1:23 pm : link
Blind fanboys who fail to see that the kid has issues and a lot of maturing to do
RE: Love watching OBJ  
Gmen86900711 : 3/27/2018 1:24 pm : link
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I'm so, so grateful the Giants drafted a player with that kind of talent. And he gets along with his teammates. These are the only things that matter. I think there's a lot of overreaction to his antics. To answer your question, the tipping point seemed to be the boat ride, but I thought the hyperventilation around that was BS.

-- old white lady


I agree some of the antics are blown out of proportion. That being said a boat trip to Miami was not the brightest idea playoff week. You have all offseason for boat rides. Focus on game planning and game prep. Boat rides and trips to Miami is celebrating before the job is done. And whether we want to admit it or not it impacted the game. That's the worst game the WR's played all year. That's immaturity rearing it's ugly head. Hopefully OBJ and Shep learned their lesson here.
3-13 ...  
Beer Man : 3/27/2018 1:25 pm : link
No one is excluded, we've even seen a number of fans turn on the face of the franchise.
If he balled out in big games  
nyballa0891 : 3/27/2018 1:25 pm : link
Im sure some of these things would be overlooked. Ive never seen a more talented receiver woth so many concentration drops. Dropping wide open touchdowns is inexcusable
RE: Old white dudes  
Beer Man : 3/27/2018 1:27 pm : link
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who don't remember that they rooted for LT

Ding, ding, ding. I know its still early, but I think we have a winner for the "Daily Ass Hole" award
RE: Wrong!!  
Gmen88 : 3/27/2018 1:34 pm : link
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of fans. And yes it’s with out a doubt generational. People like LT, Jim Brown, or even a more recent example like Marvin Harrison were all genuine pieces of garbage humans but because they acted professional on the field people gave them a pass. Whereas OBJ is flamboyant and at times immature and the older generation views that as the most unforgivable sin of all despite the fact reports have him being a genuinely nice human.



Ding Ding Ding!



Way to stereotype this. You couldn't be more wrong. I'm a stand on 3rd down kind of guy and I'm 39. That doesn't mean I have to like Diva type players. I like the player OBJ is but I don't like his antics. Why would anyone approve of his request for QB type $ when Antonio Brown who is unquestionably the best WR in football is at $17 million per year. And by the way Brown just gave money back to the Steelers to help their cap situation. Accept 17-18 million a year and count your blessings. No sports athlete should be making this kind of $. Sad world we live in.


So the fact that he wants to get paid as one of the best players in the league (which he is one) is a negative? This is clearly all negotiating through the media. Start high and meet somewhere reasonable.
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eric2425ny : 3/27/2018 1:35 pm : link
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Im sure some of these things would be overlooked. Ive never seen a more talented receiver woth so many concentration drops. Dropping wide open touchdowns is inexcusable


Honestly, even if the guy was a complete saint on and off the field his contract demands are a little ridiculous and could really set us back as a franchise. You have to be careful shelling out tons of cash to non-QB’s outside of left tackle and maybe defensive end. I would just hate to see us pay him a ton and then suffer at other key positions due to cap limitations. It’s an easy way to become a mediocre team with some highlight TD’s from time to time.
Could be a bunch of reasons...  
dank41 : 3/27/2018 1:49 pm : link
..the second Norman game is when it started to get embarassing and go downhill for me.

If he becomes the highest paid player in the league, or even just highest paid WR, it will just make him a bigger target for defenders and I don't think I am comfortable with that.

We won before OBJ and we can win after OBJ.

I don't correlate OBJ with winning. Right now I lump him into the same category as Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, DeSean Jackson.

OP subject insinuates that their are no valid reasons to have a dislike for him (unless your an old white guy lmao)
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Gmen88 : 3/27/2018 1:53 pm : link
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..the second Norman game is when it started to get embarassing and go downhill for me.

If he becomes the highest paid player in the league, or even just highest paid WR, it will just make him a bigger target for defenders and I don't think I am comfortable with that.

We won before OBJ and we can win after OBJ.

I don't correlate OBJ with winning. Right now I lump him into the same category as Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, DeSean Jackson.

OP subject insinuates that their are no valid reasons to have a dislike for him (unless your an old white guy lmao)


See this is ridiculous. The 3 players mentioned all have detailed pasts of being locker room cancers. By all accounts, Odell is not that.
As Talented as he is  
djstat : 3/27/2018 2:00 pm : link
He drops passes, disappears from big games, generates penalties and generally gets bad press. He is more into his brand then being a football player.

Bad press happens, but he is gets in fights, gets penalties and yet is never seen in the community, working charities etc. He is more concerned with his persona then his team, thus people don't like him.

RE: As Talented as he is  
Gmen88 : 3/27/2018 2:02 pm : link
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He drops passes, disappears from big games, generates penalties and generally gets bad press. He is more into his brand then being a football player.

Bad press happens, but he is gets in fights, gets penalties and yet is never seen in the community, working charities etc. He is more concerned with his persona then his team, thus people don't like him.

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I'm 69,  
Photoguy : 3/27/2018 2:07 pm : link
and I love the kid. He's a game changer, and in spite of the sideshow, he's good for this offense. I long ago got over the "Sportscentering" of NFL games. He's not a thug, he's not constantly in trouble with the law, and he's not constantly being suspended for drugs. I'll take him any day.
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Gmen86900711 : 3/27/2018 2:26 pm : link
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of fans. And yes it’s with out a doubt generational. People like LT, Jim Brown, or even a more recent example like Marvin Harrison were all genuine pieces of garbage humans but because they acted professional on the field people gave them a pass. Whereas OBJ is flamboyant and at times immature and the older generation views that as the most unforgivable sin of all despite the fact reports have him being a genuinely nice human.



Ding Ding Ding!



Way to stereotype this. You couldn't be more wrong. I'm a stand on 3rd down kind of guy and I'm 39. That doesn't mean I have to like Diva type players. I like the player OBJ is but I don't like his antics. Why would anyone approve of his request for QB type $ when Antonio Brown who is unquestionably the best WR in football is at $17 million per year. And by the way Brown just gave money back to the Steelers to help their cap situation. Accept 17-18 million a year and count your blessings. No sports athlete should be making this kind of $. Sad world we live in.



So the fact that he wants to get paid as one of the best players in the league (which he is one) is a negative? This is clearly all negotiating through the media. Start high and meet somewhere reasonable.


He's not even the best player at his position. He's potentially top 10 player in the league which is always up for debate a year after injury. But WR's are not as important to a team as a QB. That is a fact. Star WR's are a nice to have. The one year the Patriots had a start WR they went 18-0 and then whoops!!! Lost the Super Bowl. How many Championships do the Pats have without star WR's? Under no circumstance is OBJ worth 20+ million a year. Should he be the highest paid WR at 17-18 million? Yes but no more. If he won't agree to that then don't let the door hit you on the way out!!!!
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dank41 : 3/27/2018 2:34 pm : link
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..the second Norman game is when it started to get embarassing and go downhill for me.

If he becomes the highest paid player in the league, or even just highest paid WR, it will just make him a bigger target for defenders and I don't think I am comfortable with that.

We won before OBJ and we can win after OBJ.

I don't correlate OBJ with winning. Right now I lump him into the same category as Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, DeSean Jackson.

OP subject insinuates that their are no valid reasons to have a dislike for him (unless your an old white guy lmao)



See this is ridiculous. The 3 players mentioned all have detailed pasts of being locker room cancers. By all accounts, Odell is not that.


I was more talking about the winning aspect of things, these attention seeking (on or off the field) WR rarely ever bring home trophies for the team. To me, that's the type of WR he is until he proves otherwise. You can even throw Randy Moss in that conversation. Show me the rings.

But, you did got me thinking.

You don't think his antics impacted the locker room at all? I know players are vouching for him and saying nothing is wrong with him, but I'll believe it when I see it.

This should of all been squashed after the first Norman incident. Here we are, few incidents later, possibly wants to be highest paid player and he's hanging on instagram with a blunt and cocaine. When does it end?

I would feel differently if the Giants bounced back from his on field meltdowns, but tell me how it made anything better?

You can be a cancer to your team but not neccesarily be a "cancer in the locker room"

He might be a great guy to have around, but can he handle the pressure? Hasn't proven it yet.

I'm not giving up on O'Dell, he just has to prove that he can mature. I don't think he has any right to hold out (if true).
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Gmen86900711 : 3/27/2018 2:48 pm : link
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..the second Norman game is when it started to get embarassing and go downhill for me.

If he becomes the highest paid player in the league, or even just highest paid WR, it will just make him a bigger target for defenders and I don't think I am comfortable with that.

We won before OBJ and we can win after OBJ.

I don't correlate OBJ with winning. Right now I lump him into the same category as Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, DeSean Jackson.

OP subject insinuates that their are no valid reasons to have a dislike for him (unless your an old white guy lmao)



See this is ridiculous. The 3 players mentioned all have detailed pasts of being locker room cancers. By all accounts, Odell is not that.



I was more talking about the winning aspect of things, these attention seeking (on or off the field) WR rarely ever bring home trophies for the team. To me, that's the type of WR he is until he proves otherwise. You can even throw Randy Moss in that conversation. Show me the rings.

But, you did got me thinking.

You don't think his antics impacted the locker room at all? I know players are vouching for him and saying nothing is wrong with him, but I'll believe it when I see it.

This should of all been squashed after the first Norman incident. Here we are, few incidents later, possibly wants to be highest paid player and he's hanging on instagram with a blunt and cocaine. When does it end?

I would feel differently if the Giants bounced back from his on field meltdowns, but tell me how it made anything better?

You can be a cancer to your team but not neccesarily be a "cancer in the locker room"

He might be a great guy to have around, but can he handle the pressure? Hasn't proven it yet.

I'm not giving up on O'Dell, he just has to prove that he can mature. I don't think he has any right to hold out (if true).


That Carolina game was more than just the penalties. He allowed Norman to get into his head. He dropped a perfectly thrown deep ball from Eli that would have changed the outcome of the game. He was non-existent in the 1st half because of the fighting. Only a big 4th quarter made his stat line look good. He really could have had a huge game changing performance but his antics got in the way. Had we won that Carolina game we would have been tied for 1st place and could have won the division. Instead we were 6-7 and he was suspended the next game that we lost. He cost us that season with his antics. People forget that. I don't. He can't control his emotions. You can't count on a guy like that.
By the way  
Gmen86900711 : 3/27/2018 2:50 pm : link
He also cost me a Fantasy Football Championship because that suspension was during my Championship game and I lost by 2 points. Yes, I still a little salty about that as well.
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BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/27/2018 2:56 pm : link
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..the second Norman game is when it started to get embarassing and go downhill for me.

If he becomes the highest paid player in the league, or even just highest paid WR, it will just make him a bigger target for defenders and I don't think I am comfortable with that.

We won before OBJ and we can win after OBJ.

I don't correlate OBJ with winning. Right now I lump him into the same category as Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, DeSean Jackson.

OP subject insinuates that their are no valid reasons to have a dislike for him (unless your an old white guy lmao)



See this is ridiculous. The 3 players mentioned all have detailed pasts of being locker room cancers. By all accounts, Odell is not that.



I was more talking about the winning aspect of things, these attention seeking (on or off the field) WR rarely ever bring home trophies for the team. To me, that's the type of WR he is until he proves otherwise. You can even throw Randy Moss in that conversation. Show me the rings.

But, you did got me thinking.

You don't think his antics impacted the locker room at all? I know players are vouching for him and saying nothing is wrong with him, but I'll believe it when I see it.

This should of all been squashed after the first Norman incident. Here we are, few incidents later, possibly wants to be highest paid player and he's hanging on instagram with a blunt and cocaine. When does it end?

I would feel differently if the Giants bounced back from his on field meltdowns, but tell me how it made anything better?

You can be a cancer to your team but not neccesarily be a "cancer in the locker room"

He might be a great guy to have around, but can he handle the pressure? Hasn't proven it yet.

I'm not giving up on O'Dell, he just has to prove that he can mature. I don't think he has any right to hold out (if true).


I never mentioned anything about race or color in my OP or anywhere there after.
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Gmen88 : 3/27/2018 3:02 pm : link
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..the second Norman game is when it started to get embarassing and go downhill for me.

If he becomes the highest paid player in the league, or even just highest paid WR, it will just make him a bigger target for defenders and I don't think I am comfortable with that.

We won before OBJ and we can win after OBJ.

I don't correlate OBJ with winning. Right now I lump him into the same category as Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, DeSean Jackson.

OP subject insinuates that their are no valid reasons to have a dislike for him (unless your an old white guy lmao)



See this is ridiculous. The 3 players mentioned all have detailed pasts of being locker room cancers. By all accounts, Odell is not that.



I was more talking about the winning aspect of things, these attention seeking (on or off the field) WR rarely ever bring home trophies for the team. To me, that's the type of WR he is until he proves otherwise. You can even throw Randy Moss in that conversation. Show me the rings.

But, you did got me thinking.

You don't think his antics impacted the locker room at all? I know players are vouching for him and saying nothing is wrong with him, but I'll believe it when I see it.

This should of all been squashed after the first Norman incident. Here we are, few incidents later, possibly wants to be highest paid player and he's hanging on instagram with a blunt and cocaine. When does it end?

I would feel differently if the Giants bounced back from his on field meltdowns, but tell me how it made anything better?

You can be a cancer to your team but not neccesarily be a "cancer in the locker room"

He might be a great guy to have around, but can he handle the pressure? Hasn't proven it yet.

I'm not giving up on O'Dell, he just has to prove that he can mature. I don't think he has any right to hold out (if true).


I absolutely feel he needs to mature, but this has been the case with many athletes thrown into the spotlight at such a young age. The Josh Norman situation didn't make anything better, but I don't think we come back in that game without that fuel to the fire.

Also, I absolutely think he has a right to hold out. He's being severely underpaid as one of the best players at his position, and is coming off an injury. Your career can be diminished at any moment in this sport and any good financial advisor would suggest the hold out.

Aaron Donald held out last year and there wasn't near as much public outcry because he isn't the polarizing figure Odell is.
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dank41 : 3/27/2018 3:13 pm : link
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..the second Norman game is when it started to get embarassing and go downhill for me.

If he becomes the highest paid player in the league, or even just highest paid WR, it will just make him a bigger target for defenders and I don't think I am comfortable with that.

We won before OBJ and we can win after OBJ.

I don't correlate OBJ with winning. Right now I lump him into the same category as Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, DeSean Jackson.

OP subject insinuates that their are no valid reasons to have a dislike for him (unless your an old white guy lmao)



See this is ridiculous. The 3 players mentioned all have detailed pasts of being locker room cancers. By all accounts, Odell is not that.



I was more talking about the winning aspect of things, these attention seeking (on or off the field) WR rarely ever bring home trophies for the team. To me, that's the type of WR he is until he proves otherwise. You can even throw Randy Moss in that conversation. Show me the rings.

But, you did got me thinking.

You don't think his antics impacted the locker room at all? I know players are vouching for him and saying nothing is wrong with him, but I'll believe it when I see it.

This should of all been squashed after the first Norman incident. Here we are, few incidents later, possibly wants to be highest paid player and he's hanging on instagram with a blunt and cocaine. When does it end?

I would feel differently if the Giants bounced back from his on field meltdowns, but tell me how it made anything better?

You can be a cancer to your team but not neccesarily be a "cancer in the locker room"

He might be a great guy to have around, but can he handle the pressure? Hasn't proven it yet.

I'm not giving up on O'Dell, he just has to prove that he can mature. I don't think he has any right to hold out (if true).



I never mentioned anything about race or color in my OP or anywhere there after.


Yeah I should of worded that part better, first part was directed at you and second part was just poking fun at a few comments I read in other threads. And when I say the first part, I mean the subject sounds to me like any negative feedback on OBJ is coming from left field.
I just don't get it.  
Keith : 3/27/2018 3:18 pm : link
I think it's very unfair to even mention race, but I just can't understand why he's hated so much. I feel like I'm in the minority loving this kid and he's the best WR in football! Without him Eli is putrid. If for some crazy reason this does come to fruition, I think this will be one of those moves we regret.

That being said, I don't think this will come to fruition unless OBJ gets realistic with his contract asks. I think this is just the Giants negotiating.
The amount of crap this kid gets is mind boggling and so much  
Keith : 3/27/2018 3:23 pm : link
of it is pure BS.

1. He's not a winner, look at the ONE playoff game he played. Anyone suggesting this should never be taken seriously. It's so absurd that it's not even worth discussing.

2. The boat trip. BFD. Didn't miss practice, didn't miss any meetings. He went on a trip with his boys on an off day 6 days before the playoff game. It had absolutely no effect on the game. Why was it a big deal? The drama queens made it a big deal.

3. The holdout. That's how it works in the NFL. It's the one bargaining chip that the players have and its crap for people to complain about it. Players will get released in a second if they aren't producing. Here you have a kid who has had the best 3 years to start his career in the sport and he's made pennies. There is nothing wrong with him holding out, especially after the team made it clear last offseason that they will resign him sooner rather than later. Then he shows up and breaks his ankle.

4. Now some schlub is saying that he wasn't really that hurt. What a load of crap. It's getting ridiculous with the amount of crap this kid gets. Yet because people love Eli and he says all the right things, he gets 1000 excuses. Its gillbrides fault for all the INTs, then its MacAdoos fault. Its the WR's fault. Its the OL fault. Its the TE fault. Give me a freaking break.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Could be a bunch of reasons...  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/27/2018 3:24 pm : link
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..the second Norman game is when it started to get embarassing and go downhill for me.

If he becomes the highest paid player in the league, or even just highest paid WR, it will just make him a bigger target for defenders and I don't think I am comfortable with that.

We won before OBJ and we can win after OBJ.

I don't correlate OBJ with winning. Right now I lump him into the same category as Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, DeSean Jackson.

OP subject insinuates that their are no valid reasons to have a dislike for him (unless your an old white guy lmao)



See this is ridiculous. The 3 players mentioned all have detailed pasts of being locker room cancers. By all accounts, Odell is not that.



I was more talking about the winning aspect of things, these attention seeking (on or off the field) WR rarely ever bring home trophies for the team. To me, that's the type of WR he is until he proves otherwise. You can even throw Randy Moss in that conversation. Show me the rings.

But, you did got me thinking.

You don't think his antics impacted the locker room at all? I know players are vouching for him and saying nothing is wrong with him, but I'll believe it when I see it.

This should of all been squashed after the first Norman incident. Here we are, few incidents later, possibly wants to be highest paid player and he's hanging on instagram with a blunt and cocaine. When does it end?

I would feel differently if the Giants bounced back from his on field meltdowns, but tell me how it made anything better?

You can be a cancer to your team but not neccesarily be a "cancer in the locker room"

He might be a great guy to have around, but can he handle the pressure? Hasn't proven it yet.

I'm not giving up on O'Dell, he just has to prove that he can mature. I don't think he has any right to hold out (if true).



I never mentioned anything about race or color in my OP or anywhere there after.



Yeah I should of worded that part better, first part was directed at you and second part was just poking fun at a few comments I read in other threads. And when I say the first part, I mean the subject sounds to me like any negative feedback on OBJ is coming from left field.


I understand there are reasons to hate him. I just don't think they would be as magnified if it wasn't for the one very public on the field incident (We haven't seen him act like that since, might I add).
RE: RE: RE: RE: Could be a bunch of reasons...  
dank41 : 3/27/2018 3:25 pm : link
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..the second Norman game is when it started to get embarassing and go downhill for me.

If he becomes the highest paid player in the league, or even just highest paid WR, it will just make him a bigger target for defenders and I don't think I am comfortable with that.

We won before OBJ and we can win after OBJ.

I don't correlate OBJ with winning. Right now I lump him into the same category as Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, DeSean Jackson.

OP subject insinuates that their are no valid reasons to have a dislike for him (unless your an old white guy lmao)



See this is ridiculous. The 3 players mentioned all have detailed pasts of being locker room cancers. By all accounts, Odell is not that.



I was more talking about the winning aspect of things, these attention seeking (on or off the field) WR rarely ever bring home trophies for the team. To me, that's the type of WR he is until he proves otherwise. You can even throw Randy Moss in that conversation. Show me the rings.

But, you did got me thinking.

You don't think his antics impacted the locker room at all? I know players are vouching for him and saying nothing is wrong with him, but I'll believe it when I see it.

This should of all been squashed after the first Norman incident. Here we are, few incidents later, possibly wants to be highest paid player and he's hanging on instagram with a blunt and cocaine. When does it end?

I would feel differently if the Giants bounced back from his on field meltdowns, but tell me how it made anything better?

You can be a cancer to your team but not neccesarily be a "cancer in the locker room"

He might be a great guy to have around, but can he handle the pressure? Hasn't proven it yet.

I'm not giving up on O'Dell, he just has to prove that he can mature. I don't think he has any right to hold out (if true).



I absolutely feel he needs to mature, but this has been the case with many athletes thrown into the spotlight at such a young age. The Josh Norman situation didn't make anything better, but I don't think we come back in that game without that fuel to the fire.

Also, I absolutely think he has a right to hold out. He's being severely underpaid as one of the best players at his position, and is coming off an injury. Your career can be diminished at any moment in this sport and any good financial advisor would suggest the hold out.

Aaron Donald held out last year and there wasn't near as much public outcry because he isn't the polarizing figure Odell is.


Aaron Donald is the perfect example of someone who should of gotten paid. He is an animal on the field but also not raised many red flags.

Yeah, makes perfect sense to hold out on his end. But to what extent? If he doesn't get a new deal, he doesn't play?

I guess what it boils down to is I don't think that the Giants should make him the highest paid WR or player in the league based on what he has accomplished so far.
think of how you feel about Draymond Green  
santacruzom : 3/27/2018 3:38 pm : link
I imagine everyone here who follows the NBA hates him, because they're not Warriors fans.

But Green is often referred to as the heart and soul of the Warriors team. He has a clear leadership/mentoring role for a team that is generally considered to be one of the best in recent NBA history.

Absent that sort of intangible but considerable contribution to a winning team's culture, it makes it tougher to look past Beckham's seemingly me-first impulses.
RE: RE: RE: Could be a bunch of reasons...  
santacruzom : 3/27/2018 3:48 pm : link
In comment 13889720 dank41 said:
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You don't think his antics impacted the locker room at all? I know players are vouching for him and saying nothing is wrong with him, but I'll believe it when I see it.


That, and the fact that an "endorsement" from our locker room isn't terribly a ringing one these days.
the same reason people hate styx...  
ShocknAwe80 : 3/27/2018 4:11 pm : link
because most critics are cynical assholes.
Gee, call me crazy...  
manh george : 3/27/2018 4:14 pm : link
but I have this strange view that a person who wants to be the best paid wr in the league ought to be able to show the leadership skills/maturity associated with:

--Not acquiring personal foul penalties on really stupid TD celebrations;

--Controlling his temper after a marginal call;

--Supporting his teammates in any and all situations;

--Staying out of pictures that would appear to involve French models and drugs.

Personally, I am not looking to get rid of him. I am looking for him to respond to the loud and clear message from the Maras and others in management by showing some more maturity and some behaviors that are associated with leadership. Unfortunately, I am not particularly confident that this will happen.
RE: the same reason people hate styx...  
santacruzom : 3/27/2018 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13889982 ShocknAwe80 said:
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because most critics are cynical assholes.


People hate Styx because Sail Away is objectively a bottom 10 song of all time.
what hate are people talking about here, how can anybody hate  
Jersey55 : 3/27/2018 4:35 pm : link
some one they don't even know, sure we all get annoyed with OBJ's antics but hate is a pretty strong word....
RE: RE: RE: Old white dudes  
jeff57 : 3/27/2018 5:04 pm : link
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who don't remember that they rooted for LT



LT always handled himself like a pro on the field.



LOL....imagine if this was a quote from OBJ instead of LT:



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''I did crack from the middle of the '85 season to the end,'' he said, ''usually when we were at home. I'd stay out all night, get blasted on crack and then try to pick up as though nothing had happened the next day. . . . I don't know how long I could have gone on that way.

''Through much of this, I thought I could still play good ball. . . . I knew that I was no longer going at 100 percent. But I also knew that my 75 percent was better than most other guys' 100 percent.

LT the Saint - ( New Window )


So, Mickey Mantle sometimes showed up to the park stone drunk or hungover. Yet neither of them pull the antics or did the crap on the field Beckham has done.
Why is it considered "hate" if someone has a negative critique on OBJ?  
montanagiant : 3/27/2018 5:18 pm : link
I think he's a great player who is without a doubt a difference maker. At the same time I think he is immature and his antics at times on and off the field are idiotic.

I don't hate the guy but I do wish he would grow up and if we can't sign him then it only behooves the team to trade him
If you want the best player  
sharpshooter66 : 3/27/2018 5:27 pm : link
you have to pay for the best player. If you think the best player is going to leave, sometimes its better to trade him instead of losing him for nothing and if thats the case im fine with it. I dont care about off the field drama at all i wouldnt trade him for that
Eh...  
Strip-Sack : 3/27/2018 5:35 pm : link
never understood the angst regarding OBJ, the kid is a beast on the field and by all accounts a great teammate who works his ass off. I have yet to see one single off field incident that shows him as an asshole or a “me first” douche....he’s a very young kid who likes social media....oh the horror!!! So we’re gonna crucify the guy because he isn’t Larry Fitzgerald and shit the bed in the playoffs...his first time? Please....has he stretched the limits of “taste” with his antics a couple times?...sure, but I’d bet most in his position might trip a time or two over the kind of instant fame he walked into.....and, btw I’m soon to be 55 so spare me the age excuses....it’s a sport/entertainment, people really should find other things to be bothered about.
I don't hate OBJ  
Fishmanjim57 : 3/27/2018 7:27 pm : link
However I have grown tired of his antics on and off the field. I want him to stay on the Giants for the rest of his career, but I want him to take his career more serious. Stop the self-centered celebrations and play to win each game.
Shave your head too! That ridiculous hair style is getting a bit like Dennis Rodman, in fact...his behaviour is like Rodman as well!
RE: I don't hate OBJ  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/27/2018 8:01 pm : link
In comment 13890286 Fishmanjim57 said:
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However I have grown tired of his antics on and off the field. I want him to stay on the Giants for the rest of his career, but I want him to take his career more serious. Stop the self-centered celebrations and play to win each game.
Shave your head too! That ridiculous hair style is getting a bit like Dennis Rodman, in fact...his behaviour is like Rodman as well!

There you have it!
RE: Gee, call me crazy...  
Gmen86900711 : 3/27/2018 11:01 pm : link
In comment 13889989 manh george said:
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but I have this strange view that a person who wants to be the best paid wr in the league ought to be able to show the leadership skills/maturity associated with:

--Not acquiring personal foul penalties on really stupid TD celebrations;

--Controlling his temper after a marginal call;

--Supporting his teammates in any and all situations;

--Staying out of pictures that would appear to involve French models and drugs.

Personally, I am not looking to get rid of him. I am looking for him to respond to the loud and clear message from the Maras and others in management by showing some more maturity and some behaviors that are associated with leadership. Unfortunately, I am not particularly confident that this will happen.


Well that just makes to much sense. Don’t be surprised if OBJ supporters call you irrational to expect that from your highly paid star.
RE: Eh...  
Gmen86900711 : 3/27/2018 11:08 pm : link
In comment 13890133 Strip-Sack said:
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never understood the angst regarding OBJ, the kid is a beast on the field and by all accounts a great teammate who works his ass off. I have yet to see one single off field incident that shows him as an asshole or a “me first” douche....he’s a very young kid who likes social media....oh the horror!!! So we’re gonna crucify the guy because he isn’t Larry Fitzgerald and shit the bed in the playoffs...his first time? Please....has he stretched the limits of “taste” with his antics a couple times?...sure, but I’d bet most in his position might trip a time or two over the kind of instant fame he walked into.....and, btw I’m soon to be 55 so spare me the age excuses....it’s a sport/entertainment, people really should find other things to be bothered about.


Don’t necessarily disagree with all you’ve said. But the man has pictures with drugs surrounding him on the internet. This is off field stuff but could easily turn into a suspension and effect on field availability. Factor that with the fact he wants QB money and I’m a little concerned with investing that much money in what appears to be a ticking time bomb. Drug testing wasn’t as crazy in LT’s days. You can’t get away with that these days. His attitude and decision making is a major red flag right now.
sniff, sniff. weep, weep  
Victor in CT : 3/28/2018 8:22 am : link
How is it that questionning the judgement of someone who behaves stupidly automatically becomes "hate"? What a stupid question. I think the overwhelming majority of posters just want to see him mature so that he can realize his enormous potential.
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