I have a feeling it all stems from the OBJ/Norman fight.
There have been other celebrityesque tweets, media, etc. that feed into it, but without that fight I think they are all easily brushed under the rug.
So I ask the OBJ haters, if the OBJ/Norman fight had never happened would you still be this upset over the other things?
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of fans. And yes it’s with out a doubt generational. People like LT, Jim Brown, or even a more recent example like Marvin Harrison were all genuine pieces of garbage humans but because they acted professional on the field people gave them a pass. Whereas OBJ is flamboyant and at times immature and the older generation views that as the most unforgivable sin of all despite the fact reports have him being a genuinely nice human.
Ding Ding Ding!
Way to stereotype this. You couldn't be more wrong. I'm a stand on 3rd down kind of guy and I'm 39. That doesn't mean I have to like Diva type players. I like the player OBJ is but I don't like his antics. Why would anyone approve of his request for QB type $ when Antonio Brown who is unquestionably the best WR in football is at $17 million per year. And by the way Brown just gave money back to the Steelers to help their cap situation. Accept 17-18 million a year and count your blessings. No sports athlete should be making this kind of $. Sad world we live in.
And to make it worse they all are convinced they are spouting facts, even though its just their opinion, and people who disagree with them are idots.
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the most are people like Cris Carter, but sure, it's old white dudes.
sometimes people are so blinded by their own racist thoughts or tendencies they project it on everyone else. Yes, I'm calling you out adamg.
Not everything is about race.
I am a Beckham fan, I don't care about the off-field stuff, I don't care if he's a saint, I don't care if he visits hospitals or donates a kidney to a sick kid, or if he's having jumpsuit parties with Drake or Gronk or snorting lines off a hookers ass, goes on boat trips or anywhere else. Don't care.
I care only about the on-field performance. period. with Beckham, with Eli, and everyone else while they're in a Giants uniform.
I'd like the Giants to re-sign Beckham, I want him to end his career has an all-time Giants great and all time NFL great and eventually make it to the HOF as a career Giant with some super bowl rings.
I prefer when he plays his emotions don't cost the team field position like when he pees like a dog after a TD catch, or spears defenseless players in the head, but if he doesn't draw a flag for it, I don't care how he celebrates or how emotional he is.
I don't care what color my skin is or his is, I doubt my philosophy of rooting for laundry ever changes.
Fanning the flames was a better take. When you get into the psychobabble bullshit about projection, you're way off. I'm white. And I absolutely think some of the hate for Beckham is based on race. I don't think that's a stretch. If calling that out reveals some underlying racism, that's beyond reaching for you to say.
Way off!! 60-70% of the league is black. Most of my favorite Giants of all-time are black. Most of my favorite current Giants are black minus Eli. This is not a race thing. I just don't like his antics. I prefer a classy player that knows he's good and doesn't have to strut his stuff constantly. Sorry if I prefer Amani Toomer's style to OBJ's behavior. By the way Amani Toomer was black and is a Super Bowl Champion. OBJ has a long was to go before he is as revered as much as Toomer. And it has nothing to do with stats/race.
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the most are people like Cris Carter, but sure, it's old white dudes.
sometimes people are so blinded by their own racist thoughts or tendencies they project it on everyone else. Yes, I'm calling you out adamg.
Not everything is about race.
I am a Beckham fan, I don't care about the off-field stuff, I don't care if he's a saint, I don't care if he visits hospitals or donates a kidney to a sick kid, or if he's having jumpsuit parties with Drake or Gronk or snorting lines off a hookers ass, goes on boat trips or anywhere else. Don't care.
I care only about the on-field performance. period. with Beckham, with Eli, and everyone else while they're in a Giants uniform.
I'd like the Giants to re-sign Beckham, I want him to end his career has an all-time Giants great and all time NFL great and eventually make it to the HOF as a career Giant with some super bowl rings.
I prefer when he plays his emotions don't cost the team field position like when he pees like a dog after a TD catch, or spears defenseless players in the head, but if he doesn't draw a flag for it, I don't care how he celebrates or how emotional he is.
I don't care what color my skin is or his is, I doubt my philosophy of rooting for laundry ever changes.
Fanning the flames was a better take. When you get into the psychobabble bullshit about projection, you're way off. I'm white. And I absolutely think some of the hate for Beckham is based on race. I don't think that's a stretch. If calling that out reveals some underlying racism, that's beyond reaching for you to say.
Way off!! 60-70% of the league is black. Most of my favorite Giants of all-time are black. Most of my favorite current Giants are black minus Eli. This is not a race thing. I just don't like his antics. I prefer a classy player that knows he's good and doesn't have to strut his stuff constantly. Sorry if I prefer Amani Toomer's style to OBJ's behavior. By the way Amani Toomer was black and is a Super Bowl Champion. OBJ has a long was to go before he is as revered as much as Toomer. And it has nothing to do with stats/race.
Exactly, this is not a racial debate. The guy acts like a clown half the time. If Rhett Ellison was doing this stuff we would all say the same thing.
I'm in my early 30's, white, and I'm not a racist.
If anyone were to know me based on my positions on different topics on BBI, they'd know that I was one of the most ardent supporters of JPP, before, during and after his accident, which is exactly what that was, an accident.
It has always been my opinion that JPP was misunderstood by the Giant fanbase and inaccurately categorized as lazy.
But I'm just an old, racist white guy!
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the most are people like Cris Carter, but sure, it's old white dudes.
sometimes people are so blinded by their own racist thoughts or tendencies they project it on everyone else. Yes, I'm calling you out adamg.
Not everything is about race.
I am a Beckham fan, I don't care about the off-field stuff, I don't care if he's a saint, I don't care if he visits hospitals or donates a kidney to a sick kid, or if he's having jumpsuit parties with Drake or Gronk or snorting lines off a hookers ass, goes on boat trips or anywhere else. Don't care.
I care only about the on-field performance. period. with Beckham, with Eli, and everyone else while they're in a Giants uniform.
I'd like the Giants to re-sign Beckham, I want him to end his career has an all-time Giants great and all time NFL great and eventually make it to the HOF as a career Giant with some super bowl rings.
I prefer when he plays his emotions don't cost the team field position like when he pees like a dog after a TD catch, or spears defenseless players in the head, but if he doesn't draw a flag for it, I don't care how he celebrates or how emotional he is.
I don't care what color my skin is or his is, I doubt my philosophy of rooting for laundry ever changes.
Fanning the flames was a better take. When you get into the psychobabble bullshit about projection, you're way off. I'm white. And I absolutely think some of the hate for Beckham is based on race. I don't think that's a stretch. If calling that out reveals some underlying racism, that's beyond reaching for you to say.
Way off!! 60-70% of the league is black. Most of my favorite Giants of all-time are black. Most of my favorite current Giants are black minus Eli. This is not a race thing. I just don't like his antics. I prefer a classy player that knows he's good and doesn't have to strut his stuff constantly. Sorry if I prefer Amani Toomer's style to OBJ's behavior. By the way Amani Toomer was black and is a Super Bowl Champion. OBJ has a long was to go before he is as revered as much as Toomer. And it has nothing to do with stats/race.
Exactly, this is not a racial debate. The guy acts like a clown half the time. If Rhett Ellison was doing this stuff we would all say the same thing.
Exactly. And just to support that point I loved Shockey as a player. But once his antics started to hurt the team and Eli's progression I was ready to move on from him. Guess what he's white!!!!
I would rather trade him, ONLY, if his demands exceed 18.5 million a year and more than 60m guaranteed. I believe opposing players want to hurt him. I think he is going to get injured again. If he really wants Garrapolo money I hope we trade him instead. That doesn’t make racist, it doesn’t make me a hater, it makes me pragmatic.
Long contentious holdouts by a teams’ best player can damage a team. Coming off 3-13, if we could get 2 number ones(Galloway deal) and if his contract demands exceed what I talked about earlier, I hope the Giants seriously consider it. Lot of ifs there.
More ifs. If his contract demands are ridiculous but we don’t get at an offer of least 2 number ones, I would let him hold out, fine him the max, then franchise him for 2 years. His game is largely based on explosion, 3 years from now he might be the guy he is now anymore.
-- old white lady
-- old white lady
I agree some of the antics are blown out of proportion. That being said a boat trip to Miami was not the brightest idea playoff week. You have all offseason for boat rides. Focus on game planning and game prep. Boat rides and trips to Miami is celebrating before the job is done. And whether we want to admit it or not it impacted the game. That's the worst game the WR's played all year. That's immaturity rearing it's ugly head. Hopefully OBJ and Shep learned their lesson here.
Ding, ding, ding. I know its still early, but I think we have a winner for the "Daily Ass Hole" award
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of fans. And yes it’s with out a doubt generational. People like LT, Jim Brown, or even a more recent example like Marvin Harrison were all genuine pieces of garbage humans but because they acted professional on the field people gave them a pass. Whereas OBJ is flamboyant and at times immature and the older generation views that as the most unforgivable sin of all despite the fact reports have him being a genuinely nice human.
Ding Ding Ding!
Way to stereotype this. You couldn't be more wrong. I'm a stand on 3rd down kind of guy and I'm 39. That doesn't mean I have to like Diva type players. I like the player OBJ is but I don't like his antics. Why would anyone approve of his request for QB type $ when Antonio Brown who is unquestionably the best WR in football is at $17 million per year. And by the way Brown just gave money back to the Steelers to help their cap situation. Accept 17-18 million a year and count your blessings. No sports athlete should be making this kind of $. Sad world we live in.
So the fact that he wants to get paid as one of the best players in the league (which he is one) is a negative? This is clearly all negotiating through the media. Start high and meet somewhere reasonable.
Honestly, even if the guy was a complete saint on and off the field his contract demands are a little ridiculous and could really set us back as a franchise. You have to be careful shelling out tons of cash to non-QB’s outside of left tackle and maybe defensive end. I would just hate to see us pay him a ton and then suffer at other key positions due to cap limitations. It’s an easy way to become a mediocre team with some highlight TD’s from time to time.
If he becomes the highest paid player in the league, or even just highest paid WR, it will just make him a bigger target for defenders and I don't think I am comfortable with that.
We won before OBJ and we can win after OBJ.
I don't correlate OBJ with winning. Right now I lump him into the same category as Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, DeSean Jackson.
OP subject insinuates that their are no valid reasons to have a dislike for him (unless your an old white guy lmao)
If he becomes the highest paid player in the league, or even just highest paid WR, it will just make him a bigger target for defenders and I don't think I am comfortable with that.
We won before OBJ and we can win after OBJ.
I don't correlate OBJ with winning. Right now I lump him into the same category as Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, DeSean Jackson.
OP subject insinuates that their are no valid reasons to have a dislike for him (unless your an old white guy lmao)
See this is ridiculous. The 3 players mentioned all have detailed pasts of being locker room cancers. By all accounts, Odell is not that.
Bad press happens, but he is gets in fights, gets penalties and yet is never seen in the community, working charities etc. He is more concerned with his persona then his team, thus people don't like him.
Bad press happens, but he is gets in fights, gets penalties and yet is never seen in the community, working charities etc. He is more concerned with his persona then his team, thus people don't like him.
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of fans. And yes it’s with out a doubt generational. People like LT, Jim Brown, or even a more recent example like Marvin Harrison were all genuine pieces of garbage humans but because they acted professional on the field people gave them a pass. Whereas OBJ is flamboyant and at times immature and the older generation views that as the most unforgivable sin of all despite the fact reports have him being a genuinely nice human.
Ding Ding Ding!
Way to stereotype this. You couldn't be more wrong. I'm a stand on 3rd down kind of guy and I'm 39. That doesn't mean I have to like Diva type players. I like the player OBJ is but I don't like his antics. Why would anyone approve of his request for QB type $ when Antonio Brown who is unquestionably the best WR in football is at $17 million per year. And by the way Brown just gave money back to the Steelers to help their cap situation. Accept 17-18 million a year and count your blessings. No sports athlete should be making this kind of $. Sad world we live in.
So the fact that he wants to get paid as one of the best players in the league (which he is one) is a negative? This is clearly all negotiating through the media. Start high and meet somewhere reasonable.
He's not even the best player at his position. He's potentially top 10 player in the league which is always up for debate a year after injury. But WR's are not as important to a team as a QB. That is a fact. Star WR's are a nice to have. The one year the Patriots had a start WR they went 18-0 and then whoops!!! Lost the Super Bowl. How many Championships do the Pats have without star WR's? Under no circumstance is OBJ worth 20+ million a year. Should he be the highest paid WR at 17-18 million? Yes but no more. If he won't agree to that then don't let the door hit you on the way out!!!!
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..the second Norman game is when it started to get embarassing and go downhill for me.
If he becomes the highest paid player in the league, or even just highest paid WR, it will just make him a bigger target for defenders and I don't think I am comfortable with that.
We won before OBJ and we can win after OBJ.
I don't correlate OBJ with winning. Right now I lump him into the same category as Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, DeSean Jackson.
OP subject insinuates that their are no valid reasons to have a dislike for him (unless your an old white guy lmao)
See this is ridiculous. The 3 players mentioned all have detailed pasts of being locker room cancers. By all accounts, Odell is not that.
I was more talking about the winning aspect of things, these attention seeking (on or off the field) WR rarely ever bring home trophies for the team. To me, that's the type of WR he is until he proves otherwise. You can even throw Randy Moss in that conversation. Show me the rings.
But, you did got me thinking.
You don't think his antics impacted the locker room at all? I know players are vouching for him and saying nothing is wrong with him, but I'll believe it when I see it.
This should of all been squashed after the first Norman incident. Here we are, few incidents later, possibly wants to be highest paid player and he's hanging on instagram with a blunt and cocaine. When does it end?
I would feel differently if the Giants bounced back from his on field meltdowns, but tell me how it made anything better?
You can be a cancer to your team but not neccesarily be a "cancer in the locker room"
He might be a great guy to have around, but can he handle the pressure? Hasn't proven it yet.
I'm not giving up on O'Dell, he just has to prove that he can mature. I don't think he has any right to hold out (if true).
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..the second Norman game is when it started to get embarassing and go downhill for me.
If he becomes the highest paid player in the league, or even just highest paid WR, it will just make him a bigger target for defenders and I don't think I am comfortable with that.
We won before OBJ and we can win after OBJ.
I don't correlate OBJ with winning. Right now I lump him into the same category as Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, DeSean Jackson.
OP subject insinuates that their are no valid reasons to have a dislike for him (unless your an old white guy lmao)
See this is ridiculous. The 3 players mentioned all have detailed pasts of being locker room cancers. By all accounts, Odell is not that.
I was more talking about the winning aspect of things, these attention seeking (on or off the field) WR rarely ever bring home trophies for the team. To me, that's the type of WR he is until he proves otherwise. You can even throw Randy Moss in that conversation. Show me the rings.
But, you did got me thinking.
You don't think his antics impacted the locker room at all? I know players are vouching for him and saying nothing is wrong with him, but I'll believe it when I see it.
This should of all been squashed after the first Norman incident. Here we are, few incidents later, possibly wants to be highest paid player and he's hanging on instagram with a blunt and cocaine. When does it end?
I would feel differently if the Giants bounced back from his on field meltdowns, but tell me how it made anything better?
You can be a cancer to your team but not neccesarily be a "cancer in the locker room"
He might be a great guy to have around, but can he handle the pressure? Hasn't proven it yet.
I'm not giving up on O'Dell, he just has to prove that he can mature. I don't think he has any right to hold out (if true).
That Carolina game was more than just the penalties. He allowed Norman to get into his head. He dropped a perfectly thrown deep ball from Eli that would have changed the outcome of the game. He was non-existent in the 1st half because of the fighting. Only a big 4th quarter made his stat line look good. He really could have had a huge game changing performance but his antics got in the way. Had we won that Carolina game we would have been tied for 1st place and could have won the division. Instead we were 6-7 and he was suspended the next game that we lost. He cost us that season with his antics. People forget that. I don't. He can't control his emotions. You can't count on a guy like that.
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..the second Norman game is when it started to get embarassing and go downhill for me.
If he becomes the highest paid player in the league, or even just highest paid WR, it will just make him a bigger target for defenders and I don't think I am comfortable with that.
We won before OBJ and we can win after OBJ.
I don't correlate OBJ with winning. Right now I lump him into the same category as Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, DeSean Jackson.
OP subject insinuates that their are no valid reasons to have a dislike for him (unless your an old white guy lmao)
See this is ridiculous. The 3 players mentioned all have detailed pasts of being locker room cancers. By all accounts, Odell is not that.
I was more talking about the winning aspect of things, these attention seeking (on or off the field) WR rarely ever bring home trophies for the team. To me, that's the type of WR he is until he proves otherwise. You can even throw Randy Moss in that conversation. Show me the rings.
But, you did got me thinking.
You don't think his antics impacted the locker room at all? I know players are vouching for him and saying nothing is wrong with him, but I'll believe it when I see it.
This should of all been squashed after the first Norman incident. Here we are, few incidents later, possibly wants to be highest paid player and he's hanging on instagram with a blunt and cocaine. When does it end?
I would feel differently if the Giants bounced back from his on field meltdowns, but tell me how it made anything better?
You can be a cancer to your team but not neccesarily be a "cancer in the locker room"
He might be a great guy to have around, but can he handle the pressure? Hasn't proven it yet.
I'm not giving up on O'Dell, he just has to prove that he can mature. I don't think he has any right to hold out (if true).
I never mentioned anything about race or color in my OP or anywhere there after.
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..the second Norman game is when it started to get embarassing and go downhill for me.
If he becomes the highest paid player in the league, or even just highest paid WR, it will just make him a bigger target for defenders and I don't think I am comfortable with that.
We won before OBJ and we can win after OBJ.
I don't correlate OBJ with winning. Right now I lump him into the same category as Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, DeSean Jackson.
OP subject insinuates that their are no valid reasons to have a dislike for him (unless your an old white guy lmao)
See this is ridiculous. The 3 players mentioned all have detailed pasts of being locker room cancers. By all accounts, Odell is not that.
I was more talking about the winning aspect of things, these attention seeking (on or off the field) WR rarely ever bring home trophies for the team. To me, that's the type of WR he is until he proves otherwise. You can even throw Randy Moss in that conversation. Show me the rings.
But, you did got me thinking.
You don't think his antics impacted the locker room at all? I know players are vouching for him and saying nothing is wrong with him, but I'll believe it when I see it.
This should of all been squashed after the first Norman incident. Here we are, few incidents later, possibly wants to be highest paid player and he's hanging on instagram with a blunt and cocaine. When does it end?
I would feel differently if the Giants bounced back from his on field meltdowns, but tell me how it made anything better?
You can be a cancer to your team but not neccesarily be a "cancer in the locker room"
He might be a great guy to have around, but can he handle the pressure? Hasn't proven it yet.
I'm not giving up on O'Dell, he just has to prove that he can mature. I don't think he has any right to hold out (if true).
I absolutely feel he needs to mature, but this has been the case with many athletes thrown into the spotlight at such a young age. The Josh Norman situation didn't make anything better, but I don't think we come back in that game without that fuel to the fire.
Also, I absolutely think he has a right to hold out. He's being severely underpaid as one of the best players at his position, and is coming off an injury. Your career can be diminished at any moment in this sport and any good financial advisor would suggest the hold out.
Aaron Donald held out last year and there wasn't near as much public outcry because he isn't the polarizing figure Odell is.
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..the second Norman game is when it started to get embarassing and go downhill for me.
If he becomes the highest paid player in the league, or even just highest paid WR, it will just make him a bigger target for defenders and I don't think I am comfortable with that.
We won before OBJ and we can win after OBJ.
I don't correlate OBJ with winning. Right now I lump him into the same category as Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, DeSean Jackson.
OP subject insinuates that their are no valid reasons to have a dislike for him (unless your an old white guy lmao)
See this is ridiculous. The 3 players mentioned all have detailed pasts of being locker room cancers. By all accounts, Odell is not that.
I was more talking about the winning aspect of things, these attention seeking (on or off the field) WR rarely ever bring home trophies for the team. To me, that's the type of WR he is until he proves otherwise. You can even throw Randy Moss in that conversation. Show me the rings.
But, you did got me thinking.
You don't think his antics impacted the locker room at all? I know players are vouching for him and saying nothing is wrong with him, but I'll believe it when I see it.
This should of all been squashed after the first Norman incident. Here we are, few incidents later, possibly wants to be highest paid player and he's hanging on instagram with a blunt and cocaine. When does it end?
I would feel differently if the Giants bounced back from his on field meltdowns, but tell me how it made anything better?
You can be a cancer to your team but not neccesarily be a "cancer in the locker room"
He might be a great guy to have around, but can he handle the pressure? Hasn't proven it yet.
I'm not giving up on O'Dell, he just has to prove that he can mature. I don't think he has any right to hold out (if true).
I never mentioned anything about race or color in my OP or anywhere there after.
Yeah I should of worded that part better, first part was directed at you and second part was just poking fun at a few comments I read in other threads. And when I say the first part, I mean the subject sounds to me like any negative feedback on OBJ is coming from left field.
That being said, I don't think this will come to fruition unless OBJ gets realistic with his contract asks. I think this is just the Giants negotiating.
1. He's not a winner, look at the ONE playoff game he played. Anyone suggesting this should never be taken seriously. It's so absurd that it's not even worth discussing.
2. The boat trip. BFD. Didn't miss practice, didn't miss any meetings. He went on a trip with his boys on an off day 6 days before the playoff game. It had absolutely no effect on the game. Why was it a big deal? The drama queens made it a big deal.
3. The holdout. That's how it works in the NFL. It's the one bargaining chip that the players have and its crap for people to complain about it. Players will get released in a second if they aren't producing. Here you have a kid who has had the best 3 years to start his career in the sport and he's made pennies. There is nothing wrong with him holding out, especially after the team made it clear last offseason that they will resign him sooner rather than later. Then he shows up and breaks his ankle.
4. Now some schlub is saying that he wasn't really that hurt. What a load of crap. It's getting ridiculous with the amount of crap this kid gets. Yet because people love Eli and he says all the right things, he gets 1000 excuses. Its gillbrides fault for all the INTs, then its MacAdoos fault. Its the WR's fault. Its the OL fault. Its the TE fault. Give me a freaking break.
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..the second Norman game is when it started to get embarassing and go downhill for me.
If he becomes the highest paid player in the league, or even just highest paid WR, it will just make him a bigger target for defenders and I don't think I am comfortable with that.
We won before OBJ and we can win after OBJ.
I don't correlate OBJ with winning. Right now I lump him into the same category as Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, DeSean Jackson.
OP subject insinuates that their are no valid reasons to have a dislike for him (unless your an old white guy lmao)
See this is ridiculous. The 3 players mentioned all have detailed pasts of being locker room cancers. By all accounts, Odell is not that.
I was more talking about the winning aspect of things, these attention seeking (on or off the field) WR rarely ever bring home trophies for the team. To me, that's the type of WR he is until he proves otherwise. You can even throw Randy Moss in that conversation. Show me the rings.
But, you did got me thinking.
You don't think his antics impacted the locker room at all? I know players are vouching for him and saying nothing is wrong with him, but I'll believe it when I see it.
This should of all been squashed after the first Norman incident. Here we are, few incidents later, possibly wants to be highest paid player and he's hanging on instagram with a blunt and cocaine. When does it end?
I would feel differently if the Giants bounced back from his on field meltdowns, but tell me how it made anything better?
You can be a cancer to your team but not neccesarily be a "cancer in the locker room"
He might be a great guy to have around, but can he handle the pressure? Hasn't proven it yet.
I'm not giving up on O'Dell, he just has to prove that he can mature. I don't think he has any right to hold out (if true).
I never mentioned anything about race or color in my OP or anywhere there after.
Yeah I should of worded that part better, first part was directed at you and second part was just poking fun at a few comments I read in other threads. And when I say the first part, I mean the subject sounds to me like any negative feedback on OBJ is coming from left field.
I understand there are reasons to hate him. I just don't think they would be as magnified if it wasn't for the one very public on the field incident (We haven't seen him act like that since, might I add).
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..the second Norman game is when it started to get embarassing and go downhill for me.
If he becomes the highest paid player in the league, or even just highest paid WR, it will just make him a bigger target for defenders and I don't think I am comfortable with that.
We won before OBJ and we can win after OBJ.
I don't correlate OBJ with winning. Right now I lump him into the same category as Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, DeSean Jackson.
OP subject insinuates that their are no valid reasons to have a dislike for him (unless your an old white guy lmao)
See this is ridiculous. The 3 players mentioned all have detailed pasts of being locker room cancers. By all accounts, Odell is not that.
I was more talking about the winning aspect of things, these attention seeking (on or off the field) WR rarely ever bring home trophies for the team. To me, that's the type of WR he is until he proves otherwise. You can even throw Randy Moss in that conversation. Show me the rings.
But, you did got me thinking.
You don't think his antics impacted the locker room at all? I know players are vouching for him and saying nothing is wrong with him, but I'll believe it when I see it.
This should of all been squashed after the first Norman incident. Here we are, few incidents later, possibly wants to be highest paid player and he's hanging on instagram with a blunt and cocaine. When does it end?
I would feel differently if the Giants bounced back from his on field meltdowns, but tell me how it made anything better?
You can be a cancer to your team but not neccesarily be a "cancer in the locker room"
He might be a great guy to have around, but can he handle the pressure? Hasn't proven it yet.
I'm not giving up on O'Dell, he just has to prove that he can mature. I don't think he has any right to hold out (if true).
I absolutely feel he needs to mature, but this has been the case with many athletes thrown into the spotlight at such a young age. The Josh Norman situation didn't make anything better, but I don't think we come back in that game without that fuel to the fire.
Also, I absolutely think he has a right to hold out. He's being severely underpaid as one of the best players at his position, and is coming off an injury. Your career can be diminished at any moment in this sport and any good financial advisor would suggest the hold out.
Aaron Donald held out last year and there wasn't near as much public outcry because he isn't the polarizing figure Odell is.
Aaron Donald is the perfect example of someone who should of gotten paid. He is an animal on the field but also not raised many red flags.
Yeah, makes perfect sense to hold out on his end. But to what extent? If he doesn't get a new deal, he doesn't play?
I guess what it boils down to is I don't think that the Giants should make him the highest paid WR or player in the league based on what he has accomplished so far.
But Green is often referred to as the heart and soul of the Warriors team. He has a clear leadership/mentoring role for a team that is generally considered to be one of the best in recent NBA history.
Absent that sort of intangible but considerable contribution to a winning team's culture, it makes it tougher to look past Beckham's seemingly me-first impulses.
You don't think his antics impacted the locker room at all? I know players are vouching for him and saying nothing is wrong with him, but I'll believe it when I see it.
That, and the fact that an "endorsement" from our locker room isn't terribly a ringing one these days.
--Not acquiring personal foul penalties on really stupid TD celebrations;
--Controlling his temper after a marginal call;
--Supporting his teammates in any and all situations;
--Staying out of pictures that would appear to involve French models and drugs.
Personally, I am not looking to get rid of him. I am looking for him to respond to the loud and clear message from the Maras and others in management by showing some more maturity and some behaviors that are associated with leadership. Unfortunately, I am not particularly confident that this will happen.
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who don't remember that they rooted for LT
LT always handled himself like a pro on the field.
LOL....imagine if this was a quote from OBJ instead of LT:
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''I did crack from the middle of the '85 season to the end,'' he said, ''usually when we were at home. I'd stay out all night, get blasted on crack and then try to pick up as though nothing had happened the next day. . . . I don't know how long I could have gone on that way.
''Through much of this, I thought I could still play good ball. . . . I knew that I was no longer going at 100 percent. But I also knew that my 75 percent was better than most other guys' 100 percent.
LT the Saint - ( New Window )
So, Mickey Mantle sometimes showed up to the park stone drunk or hungover. Yet neither of them pull the antics or did the crap on the field Beckham has done.
I don't hate the guy but I do wish he would grow up and if we can't sign him then it only behooves the team to trade him
Shave your head too! That ridiculous hair style is getting a bit like Dennis Rodman, in fact...his behaviour is like Rodman as well!
Shave your head too! That ridiculous hair style is getting a bit like Dennis Rodman, in fact...his behaviour is like Rodman as well!
There you have it!
--Not acquiring personal foul penalties on really stupid TD celebrations;
--Controlling his temper after a marginal call;
--Supporting his teammates in any and all situations;
--Staying out of pictures that would appear to involve French models and drugs.
Personally, I am not looking to get rid of him. I am looking for him to respond to the loud and clear message from the Maras and others in management by showing some more maturity and some behaviors that are associated with leadership. Unfortunately, I am not particularly confident that this will happen.
Well that just makes to much sense. Don’t be surprised if OBJ supporters call you irrational to expect that from your highly paid star.
Don’t necessarily disagree with all you’ve said. But the man has pictures with drugs surrounding him on the internet. This is off field stuff but could easily turn into a suspension and effect on field availability. Factor that with the fact he wants QB money and I’m a little concerned with investing that much money in what appears to be a ticking time bomb. Drug testing wasn’t as crazy in LT’s days. You can’t get away with that these days. His attitude and decision making is a major red flag right now.