Josh Allen has had major reconstructive surgery

“Bohl described the injury as involving "soft tissue" and said Allen is receiving treatment. He described his status as day-to-day.

"Structurally, the information that we were given, is that he's in good condition there and it will just be a matter of time to when he's able to come back and return, and we're in hopes it's sooner than later," Bohl said.”


It took awhile for him to come back as well. Longer then expected:

“I’ve been practicing and with the one’s, but It’s still not where it needs to be or where I want it to be, but things are progressively getting better,” Allen said at Monday’s media availability.

This would be concerning to me as a GM. The article references that he broke his collarbone in 7 places. I would have to think that whatever teams are considering drafting him would have this information and probably know more about it than any of us. I think ACL’s and other ligament injuries are typically more of an issue in terms of future performance though.

“Probably 90s,” Allen said Monday. “In the 90 percentile. So it’s getting real close.”

Allen suffered the injury Nov. 11 at Air Force. A month later, there remains room for improvement.“

And called it a “soft tissue injury”

“Josh Allen’s mom posted on Facebook that he has a sprained AC joint in his right shoulder and will have X-rays today. #GoWyo”

This is actually the same injury that Josh Rosen had on his shoulder

STFU

In comment 13893699 Joey in VA said:

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STFU

Why?

It seems that the concensus here is 10-1 against picking Allen...

I have no clue on the accuracy, on clavicle plates and who knows the Packers will not re sign Rodgers?!

Eli had great QB 1-1 coaching at age eight years old where Josh Allen just started...

Allen will not be around when the Jets draft and it may be Cleveland picking him #1

Let us wait and see who is right...!

BBI clicks shows more interest in Lamar Jackson's forty time and I wish the guys who know three vs one technique would post more!

Allen comes from a close family, they are loved by their community, he sounds humble and the word is good leader...

He got a 37 on the Wonderlic....

I am very curious... I am not doctor nor scout nor GM.
I just played a little intramural football...

How can I ever close my mind?

he'll be able to throw 120 yards. And still not hit the broad side of a barn

Allen has missed 12 college games in 3 years. Rosen has missed 8 games

I keep reading though about Rosen injury concerns and not a mention of Allen

with OP

If that serious, I don't understand why he's considered at top of the draft, rather than just an UDFA. As OP puts it.....

Virtually no commentary by me.

Do I have an agenda?

I dont want Allen. Ive been clear on that. It is over his accuracy issues. Not because of this.

On this issue, I feel that most people are unaware of his injury problems. It was actually pretty difficult to find. It bothers me that there is the focus of attention for 1 player (Rosen) but not others (Allen & Mayfield who also has 2 concussions)

My posts have been as I discovered the info. I didnt know about the shoulder until after the post and then I started looking that up.

Allens injury should be just as scrutinized as everyone else’s.

In comment 13893713 micky said:

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with OP If that serious, I don't understand why he's considered at top of the draft, rather than just an UDFA. As OP puts it.....

My guess is OP wants Barkley, which I do as well. But I don’t have the time for the medical research he has put into Josh Allen. No one knows what the Giants are going to do, which is by design. I think we got used to Reese showing his hand almost every single year and don’t know what to make of this draft. It’s really pretty simple, if they like a QB they will of course take them. If they don’t or like Webb better, they will go with Barkley or Chubb or trade down.

In comment 13893720 eric2425ny said:

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In comment 13893713 micky said: Quote: with OP If that serious, I don't understand why he's considered at top of the draft, rather than just an UDFA. As OP puts it..... My guess is OP wants Barkley, which I do as well. But I don’t have the time for the medical research he has put into Josh Allen. No one knows what the Giants are going to do, which is by design. I think we got used to Reese showing his hand almost every single year and don’t know what to make of this draft. It’s really pretty simple, if they like a QB they will of course take them. If they don’t or like Webb better, they will go with Barkley or Chubb or trade down.

I do not want Barkley. I want the Giants to draft Rosen.

In comment 13893723 twostepgiants said:

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In comment 13893720 eric2425ny said: Quote: In comment 13893713 micky said: Quote: with OP If that serious, I don't understand why he's considered at top of the draft, rather than just an UDFA. As OP puts it..... My guess is OP wants Barkley, which I do as well. But I don’t have the time for the medical research he has put into Josh Allen. No one knows what the Giants are going to do, which is by design. I think we got used to Reese showing his hand almost every single year and don’t know what to make of this draft. It’s really pretty simple, if they like a QB they will of course take them. If they don’t or like Webb better, they will go with Barkley or Chubb or trade down. I do not want Barkley. I want the Giants to draft Rosen.

Rosen scares me, because he doesn’t really need football. His parents are loaded, he could easily pack it up in year two with his guaranteed 20M plus and walk away from football. The other thing to consider is what everyone bitches about with Eli. That he is not a mobile QB, can’t extend plays, etc. Rosen is also more of a pocket QB. He’s not a guy who is going to be eluding defenders and throwing on the run constantly. That being said, I prefer more of a pocket passer who can slide around the pocket, but Rosen just freaks me out.

In comment 13893723 twostepgiants said:

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In comment 13893720 eric2425ny said: Quote: In comment 13893713 micky said: Quote: with OP If that serious, I don't understand why he's considered at top of the draft, rather than just an UDFA. As OP puts it..... My guess is OP wants Barkley, which I do as well. But I don’t have the time for the medical research he has put into Josh Allen. No one knows what the Giants are going to do, which is by design. I think we got used to Reese showing his hand almost every single year and don’t know what to make of this draft. It’s really pretty simple, if they like a QB they will of course take them. If they don’t or like Webb better, they will go with Barkley or Chubb or trade down. I do not want Barkley. I want the Giants to draft Rosen.

Who would you prefer :

A QB with two concussions at 22?
or
a QB with two ACL surgeries?

In comment 13893713 micky said:

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with OP If that serious, I don't understand why he's considered at top of the draft, rather than just an UDFA. As OP puts it.....

There is. He's extremely bullish on Webb. You can expect similar threads discrediting all the other top QB prospects over the next few days. His cadence tends to be one thread per day.

And not Rosen.

I think Ive brought some new information on Josh Allen to the table and it deserves to be discussed.

Allen is rumored to be the 1 pick, highest wonderlic score, nfl.com mock just listed him as Giants pick at 2.

Rosens pro/cons have been gone over ad naudseum. But Allen’s injuries have not.

In comment 13893737 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 13893713 micky said: Quote: with OP If that serious, I don't understand why he's considered at top of the draft, rather than just an UDFA. As OP puts it..... There is. He's extremely bullish on Webb. You can expect similar threads discrediting all the other top QB prospects over the next few days. His cadence tends to be one thread per day.

I have no interest in Webb. Where do you guys get this?

In comment 13893736 Gothamist said:

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In comment 13893723 twostepgiants said: Quote: In comment 13893720 eric2425ny said: Quote: In comment 13893713 micky said: Quote: with OP If that serious, I don't understand why he's considered at top of the draft, rather than just an UDFA. As OP puts it..... My guess is OP wants Barkley, which I do as well. But I don’t have the time for the medical research he has put into Josh Allen. No one knows what the Giants are going to do, which is by design. I think we got used to Reese showing his hand almost every single year and don’t know what to make of this draft. It’s really pretty simple, if they like a QB they will of course take them. If they don’t or like Webb better, they will go with Barkley or Chubb or trade down. I do not want Barkley. I want the Giants to draft Rosen. Who would you prefer : A QB with two concussions at 22? or a QB with two ACL surgeries?

First of all, Rosen only turned 21 last month. Secondly, it's not just two concussions; it's two concussions within a month of each other.

There's a school of thought that suggests that some people are simply more susceptible to concussions than others. Certainly, someone who has suffered clustered concussions would fall into that extra-susceptible category, if that thinking is correct.

In comment 13893739 twostepgiants said:

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In comment 13893737 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 13893713 micky said: Quote: with OP If that serious, I don't understand why he's considered at top of the draft, rather than just an UDFA. As OP puts it..... There is. He's extremely bullish on Webb. You can expect similar threads discrediting all the other top QB prospects over the next few days. His cadence tends to be one thread per day. I have no interest in Webb. Where do you guys get this?

Sorry - for some reason I had it in my head that this was a sxdx thread. I retract my post!

No problem!

I'll leave it at that.
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broken bone of children. My understanding is that the medical community deems surgery, which I’d hardly qualify as “major reconstructive,” as an effective means to dim the proclivity of future breaks, and future breaks can once again be fixed. I’ve yet to come across any data that demonstrates long term complications or performance loss from broken collarbones.

Concussions and joint injuries on the other hand....

I guess i added the major

But the guy broke it in 7 places and had a plate and screws. Sounds major to me.

The injury does seem a reoccurrence problem. Maybe its not career threatening but Each time it ruins a season

Rodgers and Romo are obvious examples

But Allens had this twice so it already reoccurred once

I believe you are talking about the Mumford procedure which allows for shaving of collarbone and natural healing

That is NOT what Allen had.

It mattered enough for Jerry Jones to say this about Romo getting a plate

"Unless something occurs that hasn't occurred, he will not have a plate," Jones said on the Shan and RJ show. "He will heal naturally. It's the way to go."

In the end, Romo decided against the plate

It’s good information to know - absolutely. And it’s another factor for consideration.

But it certainly hasn’t impacted ball Allen’s ball velocity, the ability to drive the ball downfield, release, or throwing motion. That’s s because JA has mechanics that really start from the ground up. He really gets his torque from his legs and that’s an important distinction...

In comment 13893766 bw in dc said:

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It’s good information to know - absolutely. And it’s another factor for consideration. But it certainly hasn’t impacted ball Allen’s ball velocity, the ability to drive the ball downfield, release, or throwing motion. That’s s because JA has mechanics that really start from the ground up. He really gets his torque from his legs and that’s an important distinction...

I don't think the risk is lost velocity. I think the risk is future fractures. Especially around the plate.

In comment 13893766 bw in dc said:

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It’s good information to know - absolutely. And it’s another factor for consideration. But it certainly hasn’t impacted ball Allen’s ball velocity, the ability to drive the ball downfield, release, or throwing motion. That’s s because JA has mechanics that really start from the ground up. He really gets his torque from his legs and that’s an important distinction...

I agree that I dont think it affects his ability.

I would wonder if it makes him a risk to get reinjured and miss time like Romo/Rodgers.

Plus, the shoulder injury (not thats it significant to his throwing ability) but does it add up to go who might be injury prone? 12 games over 3 years is a good amount. Plus the HS injury. So in 6 years playing QB he has missed time in 3 of them and 2 were season ending injuries.

He seemed to take longer then expected to recover on the shoulder injury as well.

Once at 13 and again at 18. That is a painful ass bone to break and that pain lasts for a couple weeks

In comment 13893758 twostepgiants said:

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I guess i added the major But the guy broke it in 7 places and had a plate and screws. Sounds major to me. The injury does seem a reoccurrence problem. Maybe its not career threatening but Each time it ruins a season Rodgers and Romo are obvious examples But Allens had this twice so it already reoccurred once

That’s fair. It’s certainly not immaterial information so it’s a good discussion to have. I’d expect a pro club to exercise their due diligence to ascertain if JA was more or less prone to breaking the clavicle in the future. That being said, I think we’d all agree that the downside of time to heal versus loss of ability is meaningful.

A labrum or rotator cuff and the scouting community would obviously show much more concern. Or, God forbid, the dreaded shoulder amputation of which Chris Mortensen diligently reported back in 2007. It’s a wonder that Eli would go on to win the first of his two world championships and MVPs they same year.

I haven't made a big deal out of Rosen's injury history, it's been a minor concern. In fact, I think Allen's injury, of which I was not well read on until recently, is a bigger deal, because as we've seen, collar bones in particular have a tendency to re-break, and shoulders often take a lot of pressure and impact when being tackled and driven into the ground.

I still think his ceiling is huge, but that risk factor bumps him down a little for me. Darnold has always been, in my view, the #1 QB...the question is how do you order the other 3 guys. I don't think Mayfield is a good fit for playing in NY, so he has been 4th. I could see Mayfield thriving in Arizona, New Orleans, or Minnesota, though.

Allen and Rosen can succeed anywhere, but I have concerns with both of them. For Allen, if he can make the significant jump from the Wyoming program to the NFL game. For Rosen, it's more of if his talent is good enough to be an elite talent at the position. I'm not blown away by his tape or his results, even though he does throw a nice ball. I don't know if he's the ultimate competitor I want in my QB. I know Darnold is, it's very apparent.

Because of these concerns, I'd rather the Giants draft Barkley, preferably at #5 after a trade-down (if possible), if Darnold is selected at #1.

Anyone who does not realize that is deluded. Fortunately, he does not want Briwns

And the Gmen would be foolish not to take him !

In comment 13893788 allstarjim said:

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I haven't made a big deal out of Rosen's injury history, it's been a minor concern. In fact, I think Allen's injury, of which I was not well read on until recently, is a bigger deal, because as we've seen, collar bones in particular have a tendency to re-break, and shoulders often take a lot of pressure and impact when being tackled and driven into the ground. I still think his ceiling is huge, but that risk factor bumps him down a little for me. Darnold has always been, in my view, the #1 QB...the question is how do you order the other 3 guys. I don't think Mayfield is a good fit for playing in NY, so he has been 4th. I could see Mayfield thriving in Arizona, New Orleans, or Minnesota, though. Allen and Rosen can succeed anywhere, but I have concerns with both of them. For Allen, if he can make the significant jump from the Wyoming program to the NFL game. For Rosen, it's more of if his talent is good enough to be an elite talent at the position. I'm not blown away by his tape or his results, even though he does throw a nice ball. I don't know if he's the ultimate competitor I want in my QB. I know Darnold is, it's very apparent. Because of these concerns, I'd rather the Giants draft Barkley, preferably at #5 after a trade-down (if possible), if Darnold is selected at #1.

I must admit I don't see it with Darnold. There are a staggering amount of amazingly boneheaded throws and fumbles.

In comment 13893762 twostepgiants said:

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I believe you are talking about the Mumford procedure which allows for shaving of collarbone and natural healing That is NOT what Allen had. It mattered enough for Jerry Jones to say this about Romo getting a plate "Unless something occurs that hasn't occurred, he will not have a plate," Jones said on the Shan and RJ show. "He will heal naturally. It's the way to go." In the end, Romo decided against the plate

I had my collar bone shaved once ... it wasn't very painful but, I had to have all my shirts custom tailored on the right side.


(rim shot).

In comment 13893818 Vanzetti said:

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Anyone who does not realize that is deluded. Fortunately, he does not want Briwns

I agree, but he comes off like a spoiled douchebag and deep down thats why people dont like him.

I for one dont care aslong as you win.

So hey, I've learned something on this thread.

In comment 13893818 Vanzetti said:

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Anyone who does not realize that is deluded. Fortunately, he does not want Briwns

And you're basing this on??? I guess Daniel Jeremiah, Mike Mayock, and most of the scouting community are all deluded, then.

HOF talent is a little extreme. I very much like these QBs and it can be easy to predict Rosen being the best the way he can throw. Everything I am reading now seems to guess at Allen going 1 to the Browns. I think in that case you pick Darnold over Rosen. Just my thoughts though.

very suspect!

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Burberry i looked it up twostepgiants : 3/29/2018 10:53 pm : link : reply I believe you are talking about the Mumford procedure which allows for shaving of collarbone and natural healing

In comment 13893853 mattyblue said:

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HOF talent is a little extreme. I very much like these QBs and it can be easy to predict Rosen being the best the way he can throw. Everything I am reading now seems to guess at Allen going 1 to the Browns. I think in that case you pick Darnold over Rosen. Just my thoughts though.

Actually, I think most of the latest writing (apart from Mel Kiper), especially the Cleveland sports writers have Darnold as a lock to the Browns at #1.

respectable argument for Allen, Rosen or Darnold for the #2 pick. Each has huge upside and each has flaws.

Rosen probably has the least flaws and those are medical with the concussions. Forget the shoulder and knee. That the two concussions occured in a one month period probably has more to do with him being put back in too soon after the 1st and the brain not being completely healed (not an MD but seems likely.)

Darnold with smallish hands bothers me; also, his relative lack of experience and I don't think he has the arm of Rosen or Allen.

Allen with inaccuracy and now with the twice fractured collarbone. That one is bad as has been pointed out - Tony Romo and Aaron Rodgers. Collar bone is a weak bone anyway and I doubt he escapes his pro-career without another unless he has Dan Marino's line up front.

Have an opportunity no one believed they would have when that season began; to draft one of the top quarterbacks in a class that was labeled as a good quarterback class.

Much of the criticism is similar to what you hear every year about quarterbacks when the time draws near; do we remember the pre draft doubt about Deshawn Watson last year.

There are 4 quarterbacks in this draft that are deemed by most to be going in top 10, Giants are taking one.

The OP might be disappointed, but Allen might be their guy if Darnold goes one

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Anyone who does not realize that is deluded. Fortunately, he does not want Briwns

I'm probably being naive, but what does what he "wants" have to do with whether he is selected by Cleveland?

In comment 13893729 eric2425ny said:

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Rosen scares me, because he doesn’t really need football. His parents are loaded, he could easily pack it up in year two with his guaranteed 20M plus and walk away from football.

As could any other top draft pick. If he made $20 mill, why would he need his family's money?

This is such a tired argument. Using your theory, anyone at the top of the draft wouldn't need football, since they just made a ton of money.

I do believe you are right. I think the Giants do select a QB here.

I am hoping its not Josh Allen.

I think Allen is too inaccurate. I do not think thats an easy fix. I thought he had one of the least impressive Pro Days Ive seen. I didnt see one deep pass that I thought could be completed in an NFL game. Check out the Pro Day "highlight" video Ive linked of him missing 4 of 6 passes pretty badly while the announcers gush.

I just dont see what these guys are seeing on him. I get he can throw it 80 yards in air but i just dont see any applicable use of that ability in an NFL game. Its not necessary to win Super Bowls

Add to that mix some medical issues and I wouldnt select Allen.

I think the Giants are picking between Darnold & Rosen. I prefer Rosen by a wide margin but Im ok with Darnold. I could live with Barkley due to tbe obvious talent but I dont think thats the right choice.

I woukd be disappointed if the pick is Allen because I just dont think he is gonna be very good.
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In comment 13894208 twostepgiants said:

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I do believe you are right. I think the Giants do select a QB here. I am hoping its not Josh Allen. I think Allen is too inaccurate. I do not think thats an easy fix. I thought he had one of the least impressive Pro Days Ive seen.

Not sure what pro day you watched but fair enough. I thought he was fantastic.

Something to consider - Matthew Stafford had a 57% completion % at Georgia, essentially the same as Allen, but with superior talent. And they are close in athleticism and arm talent.

In the NFL, Stafford has a 62% completion rate for his career. Its been 66% the last three years...

So here's an example of a highly touted draft prospect who improved from accuracy issues in college to improving in the pros.

I would rather have Darnold (safer) - would really want Rosen, but his medical bothers me too much - but Allen is more the real deal than most believe...

and subsequently had essentially the same surgery as Allen in early October. Six months later, it hardly affects me at all now, and won't affect me at all a few months from now. I don't see this as a cause for concern.

I do, however, think Allen appears to be an inferior candidate compared to Darnold, Mayfield and Rosen, and would not be in favor of drafting him second overall. But then, I am hardly an expert.

Are you playing professional football and routinely being hit by 250lb+ people?

There obviously seems to be a connection between this injury and its being reoccurring as Rodgers/Romo show and Allen has already had it twice.

Its not a career threatening injury but every time he breaks it will basically end his season at 6-8 weeks minimum. It pretty much ended Rodgers/Romo years each time.

Allen has already had it twice in the last 6 years and that was with HS and college guys hitting him.

In comment 13894948 twostepgiants said:

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Are you playing professional football and routinely being hit by 250lb+ people? There obviously seems to be a connection between this injury and its being reoccurring as Rodgers/Romo show and Allen has already had it twice. Its not a career threatening injury but every time he breaks it will basically end his season at 6-8 weeks minimum. It pretty much ended Rodgers/Romo years each time. Allen has already had it twice in the last 6 years and that was with HS and college guys hitting him.

Two's Tep.

THRILL LOVES YOUR STYLE, bro. Digging into the medical. Everyone talks about Josh Allen's skills, size, brain ...but what about his skeleton?

Believe it or not, Dr. Thrill knows a thing or two about orthopedics. Are you suggesting that Allen is susceptible to future clavicular fractures?

Read this- from another poster on a different thread:

RE: Jarvis- re: clavicle fracture
Jarvis : 5:12 pm : link : reply
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You are mistaken i think in it's relevance to anything. A clavicular fracture with fixation is stable, and should have no bearing on anything shoulder related, such as throwing, rotator cuff tears(which are a big deal) or stability.

Just not an issue at all.


Actually it has a bearing on repeat fractures. Clearly since he has had 2 already he is already a risk for a re-fracture. More importantly the plate causes stress risers which can lead to fractures at the ends (medial or lateral) of the plate. I am not concerned about his arm strength or his rotator cuff for that matter. However, ask Tony Romo about multiple clavicle fractures. If you are curious about credentials, I am an orthopaedic surgeon specializing in Shoulder and Knee reconstruction. I take care of multiple teams in my area and I have friends that work the medical rooms at the combine.

In comment 13895376 twostepgiants said:

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Read this- from another poster on a different thread: RE: Jarvis- re: clavicle fracture Jarvis : 5:12 pm : link : reply In comment 13895154 Tom in Kzoo said: Quote: You are mistaken i think in it's relevance to anything. A clavicular fracture with fixation is stable, and should have no bearing on anything shoulder related, such as throwing, rotator cuff tears(which are a big deal) or stability. Just not an issue at all. Actually it has a bearing on repeat fractures. Clearly since he has had 2 already he is already a risk for a re-fracture. More importantly the plate causes stress risers which can lead to fractures at the ends (medial or lateral) of the plate. I am not concerned about his arm strength or his rotator cuff for that matter. However, ask Tony Romo about multiple clavicle fractures. If you are curious about credentials, I am an orthopaedic surgeon specializing in Shoulder and Knee reconstruction. I take care of multiple teams in my area and I have friends that work the medical rooms at the combine.

Okey dokey, doctor. THRILL loves those credentials. Where do you practice? As a former pro athlete with a diverse portfolio of surgeries (including a Rc repair, tenodesis, and slap), Thrill is always looking for new talent in the medical field so that the RIDE can continue. Nobody wants to see the THRILL dismissed as undraftable!

As a man of science, you must appreciate that Aaron Rodgers, Tony Romo, and Josh Allen are three very different stories and thus not smoothly comparable.

- Rodgers fractured his left clavicle in 2013 and then his right clavicle in 2017; there is not recurring injury here, at least not yet.

- Romo, on the other hand (arm), broken his left clavicle three times. First in 2010 and then twice in 2015 at age 35 after returning from the initial injury midseason.

- Allen, lastly, has broken his right clavicle twice: 2011 and 2015.

The Thrill's point: Romo and Rodgers are not relevant cautionary tales. The locations, mechanisms, and treatments for all these players were different. The only similarity is that these injuries happened 4-5 years apart, which makes it all seem like chaotic misfortune more than anything else. At best, equating Allen to Romo and especially Rodgers is specious -- at best, this argumentative logic is anecdotal. At worst, it suffers from vividness bias.

More important, in the opening post you claim that Allen carries a "substantial risk of reinjury" citing those two examples. Concentrating on clavicular fractures in general, and not two essentially random comparisons to guys who were in the early and mid-30s during those injuries, Thrill understands the presumed susceptibility of reinjury.

...but, as a doctor, Dr., you don't get to say "elevated risk of reinjury" and just drop the mic. Elevated ...to what? Thrill accepts that the greatest predictor of future injury is past injury, but nonetheless "elevated risk" hardly equals "likely to go on IR repeatedly." What percentage of throwing athletes or football players fracture their clavicle multiple times? Hardware solutions vs. natural healing? Plate removed vs. not removed? And so on. These are the necessary follow-up question that a medically inclined, inquisitive person should be asking.

The medical community is vast enough to attach quantitative analysis to these risk factors, so the THRILL RIDE is politely placing your stance under academic scrutiny and challenging you to clarify your position on the future of Josh Allen's right clavicle.

love it

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In comment 13894208 twostepgiants said: Quote: I do believe you are right. I think the Giants do select a QB here. I am hoping its not Josh Allen. I think Allen is too inaccurate. I do not think thats an easy fix. I thought he had one of the least impressive Pro Days Ive seen. Not sure what pro day you watched but fair enough. I thought he was fantastic. Something to consider - Matthew Stafford had a 57% completion % at Georgia, essentially the same as Allen, but with superior talent. And they are close in athleticism and arm talent. In the NFL, Stafford has a 62% completion rate for his career. Its been 66% the last three years... So here's an example of a highly touted draft prospect who improved from accuracy issues in college to improving in the pros. I would rather have Darnold (safer) - would really want Rosen, but his medical bothers me too much - but Allen is more the real deal than most believe...

Stafford was on an upward trajectory in terms of completion percentage throughout his college career, and his blended average is dragged down by his 53% performance as a true freshman QB in the SEC. Meanwhile, Allen has been at 56% for two consecutive years - against the Mountain West - including 2016 when his top WR, TE, and RB all got drafted or signed as UDFA (so the supporting cast argument is somewhat eliminated).

Stafford and Allen are not remotely comparable - you should stop referencing Stafford to support Allen.