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Matt G : 4/1/2018 10:46 pm
We will use this as a discussion thread to keep the SELECTIONS thread uncluttered. These threads will be used for the duration of the entire draft.

Once a team is on the clock, they will have two hours to make a selection. If a team goes on the clock after 4pm, their two hour window will roll over to the next day. For example, if you go on the clock at 4:30pm, you will have until 9:30 am to make a selection. Picks may be made between 6pm and 9am if GMs are online and following the draft thread. The time limit only applies during the 9am to 6pm timeframe. If the two hour time limit expires, I will make a pick using any list that the GM for the team has sent me in advance (send lists to the email address in my profile) or in the absence of a list, I will use the GBN Big Board with a little discretion so as not make an obvious dumb pick (i.e.: Philadelphia Eagles wonít be taking a QB in the 1st round this year). If a GM misses two consecutive picks without providing a prospect list or making some form of contact with me (email or posting on the draft thread) the spot will be reassigned to one of the BBIers who have expressed an interest to fill the vacancy.

Please utilize the BBI Mock Draft Spreadsheet . The spreadsheet contains the draft order (RD1-6) by team and GM with a fairly comprehensive list of both available and taken prospects based on the GBN Big Board (as well as several other prospects that did not make the GBN Big Board). I will try to keep the spreadsheet and thread updated as often as possible.
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Good luck, Hoya  
Anakim : 4/1/2018 11:04 pm : link
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Bump  
section125 : 4/2/2018 6:24 am : link
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Pittsburgh  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/2/2018 6:29 am : link
GM checking in.
"Let's get it ON!"  
Optimus-NY : 4/2/2018 7:18 am : link
Man, Denver can go so many ways in this draft  
jlukes : 4/2/2018 7:58 am : link
depending on what plays out before them. So excited.
Houston may not be picking until the 3rd round  
Boatie Warrant : 4/2/2018 7:59 am : link
But I will make sure the count!
RE: Good luck, Hoya  
bigbluehoya : 4/2/2018 8:06 am : link
In comment 13896366 Anakim said:
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ĎNak!!! Good to see you back around these parts. Hope all is well with you.
Ok I wil come out and say it.  
superspynyg : 4/2/2018 8:23 am : link
Andy you better not fuck up the Giants pick!!!
The same BBI members pick for the same teams  
Motley Two : 4/2/2018 8:36 am : link
each year right?
RE: The same BBI members pick for the same teams  
Mike in NY : 4/2/2018 8:44 am : link
In comment 13896470 Motley Two said:
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each year right?


Yes, unless they wish to change teams to an open team or do not sign up again for the following draft
Mass email went out last night...  
Matt G : 4/2/2018 9:00 am : link
And reminder email was sent to CLE this am
No pressure Andy  
TommytheElephant : 4/2/2018 9:09 am : link
Just one request
Donít fuck this up
Glad to be back  
sjnyfan : 4/2/2018 9:23 am : link
doing another year. In the spirit of Russell Wilson, Go Hawks
Back for JJ And the Ďboys  
Rick in Dallas : 4/2/2018 9:31 am : link
It might be time to draft Dez replacement.
The Cowboys and Dez are supposed to meet soon to talk about his contract.
NFL best writers covering the Cowboys in Dallas think that Dez is going to get cut.
And Cleveland starts it off with a controversial selection  
MadPlaid : 4/2/2018 10:01 am : link
Barkley at #1.

Very interesting. I doubt it will go that way in the actual draft, but that's what's great about our Mock. We can pick who we think is the best player whether it is the likely selection or not. Based solely on our judgement. Nice start.
Hmmm, was not expecting that.  
Andy in Halifax : 4/2/2018 10:01 am : link
...

but I'm here and will make my pick in a sec.
Im not a fan of that pick for clev  
Joey from GlenCove : 4/2/2018 10:03 am : link
this will now be a run on the qbs

im predicting next 3 will be qbs

my guess
darnold
rosen
allen
chubb
nelson
In a no-trades mock draft, isnít Barkley almost mandatory at #1?  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/2/2018 10:04 am : link
In real life, the Browns probably have such a strong conviction about Darnold/Allen/Rosen that they go QB at #1, and/or trade up from #4 to get Barkley and their preferred QB. In these circumstances, though, I think Barkley makes the most sense. Then Lionheart can claim that whoever he gets at #4 was the QB he wanted all along.

TL/DR version: Good pick Lionheart. Well done.
Don't like the pick for CLE either...  
GuzzaBlue : 4/2/2018 10:10 am : link
This would be under the assumption ClE either does not like any of the QB's, has 3 or more of the QB's ranked similar (both unlikely IMO) orrrrr is just CLE being CLE and passing on another franchise QB.

I would have thought to get this ship righted, you make a strong stance on cementing the path by getting "your" guy for the future by taking the QB at one.

Let's see what they get at 4!
***With the second pick in the 2018 BBI mock draft,  
Andy in Halifax : 4/2/2018 10:11 am : link
the New York Giants are proud to select:
Sam Darnold, QB USC

shit, wrong thread, lol  
Andy in Halifax : 4/2/2018 10:11 am : link
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With Hyde on the team I don't see CLE going for Barkley  
PatersonPlank : 4/2/2018 10:12 am : link
Hyde is a damn good back and still pretty young. I think they go QB at #1, and then BPA at #4.
If CLE likes Allen  
Bill L : 4/2/2018 10:13 am : link
then this is probably the most logical move.
RE: ***With the second pick in the 2018 BBI mock draft,  
Bill L : 4/2/2018 10:14 am : link
In comment 13896573 Andy in Halifax said:
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the New York Giants are proud to select:
Sam Darnold, QB USC

Check your tires. Haven't seen Milton here in a while.
I like Rosen and Mayfield a lot too.  
Andy in Halifax : 4/2/2018 10:15 am : link
Darnold isn't as good of a passer right now compared to the other two but I think that can be improved with coaching. His mobility, arm strength and leadership qualities make him an outstanding QB prospect but his development will be critical. I see a bust risk but I also see a chance of greatness.
RE: I like Rosen and Mayfield a lot too.  
Bill L : 4/2/2018 10:16 am : link
In comment 13896587 Andy in Halifax said:
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Darnold isn't as good of a passer right now compared to the other two but I think that can be improved with coaching. His mobility, arm strength and leadership qualities make him an outstanding QB prospect but his development will be critical. I see a bust risk but I also see a chance of greatness.
Just curious...if you were allowed to trade after the CLE pick, would you have?
Rosen is the better passer right now  
Andy in Halifax : 4/2/2018 10:17 am : link
but not nearly as athletic and has injury concerns. If Rosen stays healthy I think he's the best QB in this class, but that injury risk was enough for me to take Darnold.
Honestly, Iím not in love with any of the QBs.  
Lionhart28 : 4/2/2018 10:18 am : link
Barkley is in another tier than any of them and will be such a big help to whatever young qb we acquire that we couldnít pass. Heís a great kid, a tireless worker and oh yeah a physical freak. He makes our offense better day one.

For the most part, I havenít taken QBs with my first pick in these drafts and prefer value, having done pretty well with Carr and Watson in prior years.
Plus, with the acquisition of Taylor, the young passer doesnít need to start day one which gives us some added flexibility.
RE: RE: I like Rosen and Mayfield a lot too.  
Andy in Halifax : 4/2/2018 10:19 am : link
In comment 13896589 Bill L said:
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In comment 13896587 Andy in Halifax said:


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Darnold isn't as good of a passer right now compared to the other two but I think that can be improved with coaching. His mobility, arm strength and leadership qualities make him an outstanding QB prospect but his development will be critical. I see a bust risk but I also see a chance of greatness.

Just curious...if you were allowed to trade after the CLE pick, would you have?
In a mock draft where teams that accumulate the most top prospects are often seen as the winner, sure. I would have traded back to #4 if Cleveland wanted to move up and then take Rosen, Mayfield or Darnold.

In real life, getting a franchise QB is so important I would have spent months collecting date and had a firm conclusion as to the best QB in the class and I would have stayed at #2 and picked him.
Darnold has the tools to be great...  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/2/2018 10:20 am : link
...and heís cleaner physically than the other two QBs. Probably the right pick.

IRL, I think a trade-down is more likely, because the Giants seem to think Eli can rebound and give them two more good years. But that could be a smokescreen or just Plan 1A, with a quick transition to a rookie being Plan 1B.
Barkley going first  
Joey from GlenCove : 4/2/2018 10:20 am : link
really works out for the jets
WRT trading down from #2...  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/2/2018 10:29 am : link
... there are too many variables to allow a simple answer: How far? What price? How do they really view Eli, the various QBs, plus Chubb, Nelson, and other blue/red chip prospects? Itís easy enough to say, ďTrade down to 4 and still get a prime QBĒ or ďTrade down to 5/6 and still get a top prospect.Ē But there are assumptions embedded in each of those ideas that might be completely wrong.
RE: Honestly, Iím not in love with any of the QBs.  
GuzzaBlue : 4/2/2018 10:34 am : link
In comment 13896592 Lionhart28 said:
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Barkley is in another tier than any of them and will be such a big help to whatever young qb we acquire that we couldnít pass. Heís a great kid, a tireless worker and oh yeah a physical freak. He makes our offense better day one.

For the most part, I havenít taken QBs with my first pick in these drafts and prefer value, having done pretty well with Carr and Watson in prior years.
Plus, with the acquisition of Taylor, the young passer doesnít need to start day one which gives us some added flexibility.


Great analysis. And if you do not love any of the QB's, he's the no brainer. Barkley is so good and such a rare talent, he is going to shine. This could actually play out really well for CLE in this mock depending on what happens at 4. Could possibly get Allen and he could have been the guy you wanted out of the QB's. Especially Taylor giving him some breathing room to learn.
RE: Barkley going first  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/2/2018 10:35 am : link
Joey from GlenCove said:
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really works out for the jets
I donít think it makes a huge difference, unless NYJ have two QBs rated very closely. If they have a clear favorite, they still have to get to #2 to be sure of landing their guy.
darnold  
SirYesSir : 4/2/2018 10:36 am : link
is talented, but man is he hectic in the pocket. feet are constantly jumping around - I wouldn't say "happy feet" because he's very good at keeping his eyes focused down the field, and one could argue it enables him to escape quickly...but I've seen a lot of throws where he just doesn't seem set, and it hurts his accuracy and velocity

I prefer Rosen on tape by a good margin, but of course personality and injury concerns I can't answer
Barkley sepeates himself  
SirYesSir : 4/2/2018 10:38 am : link
as a receiver. There are a few backs with great skills, but this kid runs routes like a seasoned pro and explodes after the catch. He's a crazy weapon that must have OC's drooling.

Oh man can the Jets just pick  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/2/2018 10:54 am : link
already?
Interesting to note that the auto-pick at #3 is also the obvious pick.  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/2/2018 10:55 am : link
Probably doesnít matter whether Jon is on line or not. Unless he has a hard-on for Allen, the Jetsí new QB is Josh Rosen. That seems likely in real-life too, and it may well be the reason the Jets targeted the #3 slot. Thereís obviously some risk that their guy goes in the first two picks; but either they are comfortable with that risk or they donít have a clear favorite.
RE: Honestly, Iím not in love with any of the QBs.  
allstarjim : 4/2/2018 10:58 am : link
In comment 13896592 Lionhart28 said:
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Barkley is in another tier than any of them and will be such a big help to whatever young qb we acquire that we couldnít pass. Heís a great kid, a tireless worker and oh yeah a physical freak. He makes our offense better day one.

For the most part, I havenít taken QBs with my first pick in these drafts and prefer value, having done pretty well with Carr and Watson in prior years.
Plus, with the acquisition of Taylor, the young passer doesnít need to start day one which gives us some added flexibility.


25 years since Cleveland has had a franchise QB. TWENTY-FIVE YEARS! And you take a RB. If Dorsey does that he'll be run out of town, I truly believe that. TWENTY-FIVE YEARS, I'll say it again, you cannot go any other direction than QB there if you're Cleveland. And the franchise QB they had was just Bernie Kosar. Come on, dude. Cleveland fans would be egging your car as you leave the stadium!
If Barkley really is the second coming of Marshall Faulk...  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/2/2018 11:04 am : link
... he is well worth the #1 pick, especially with Cleveland holding the #4 pick and 3 or 4 potential franchise QBs on the board. Itís the right pick, unless you have access to CLEís draft board and they have a clear favorite among the QBs.
Haven't seen anyone talk about it, and obviously can't happen here  
YAJ2112 : 4/2/2018 11:05 am : link
but what are the chances the Jets take Barkley at 3 and traded up there in hopes to get him?
RE: RE: Honestly, Iím not in love with any of the QBs.  
Lionhart28 : 4/2/2018 11:10 am : link
In comment 13896645 allstarjim said:
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In comment 13896592 Lionhart28 said:


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Barkley is in another tier than any of them and will be such a big help to whatever young qb we acquire that we couldnít pass. Heís a great kid, a tireless worker and oh yeah a physical freak. He makes our offense better day one.

For the most part, I havenít taken QBs with my first pick in these drafts and prefer value, having done pretty well with Carr and Watson in prior years.
Plus, with the acquisition of Taylor, the young passer doesnít need to start day one which gives us some added flexibility.



25 years since Cleveland has had a franchise QB. TWENTY-FIVE YEARS! And you take a RB. If Dorsey does that he'll be run out of town, I truly believe that. TWENTY-FIVE YEARS, I'll say it again, you cannot go any other direction than QB there if you're Cleveland. And the franchise QB they had was just Bernie Kosar. Come on, dude. Cleveland fans would be egging your car as you leave the stadium!


Unfortunately for them, my track record as their fake GM has been better than their actual track record. Also, a QB doesn't have to be the first overall pick to be a franchise guy. They had 3 first round picks last year and didn't take a QB with a single one of them and survived, I think I'll be okay.
Darnold  
Thegratefulhead : 4/2/2018 11:14 am : link
If the Giants select Darnold I predict Webb will clearly beat him out and it will leave the Giants with a mess. There will pressure to elevate Darnold anyway because he is a #2 pick. Webb is more accurate, especially deep, and takes better care of the football. IMO opinion, only Rosen or Mayfield beat out Webb in a QB competition.
Jon in NYC must be trying to trade out of the pick  
TommytheElephant : 4/2/2018 11:16 am : link
Doing his best to imitate something the Jets would do on a draft day- trade up to trade down
RE: Darnold  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/2/2018 11:18 am : link
In comment 13896664 Thegratefulhead said:
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If the Giants select Darnold I predict Webb will clearly beat him out and it will leave the Giants with a mess. There will pressure to elevate Darnold anyway because he is a #2 pick. Webb is more accurate, especially deep, and takes better care of the football. IMO opinion, only Rosen or Mayfield beat out Webb in a QB competition.


You sir are crazy.
RE: Jon in NYC must be trying to trade out of the pick  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/2/2018 11:19 am : link
In comment 13896669 TommytheElephant said:
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Doing his best to imitate something the Jets would do on a draft day- trade up to trade down


No trades in the mock draft.
Even more Clearly something the Jets Would try  
TommytheElephant : 4/2/2018 11:20 am : link
To trade out when not allowed to trade out !
RE: Jon in NYC must be trying to trade out of the pick  
Mike in NY : 4/2/2018 11:20 am : link
In comment 13896669 TommytheElephant said:
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Doing his best to imitate something the Jets would do on a draft day- trade up to trade down


Jon was probably trying to figure out how to announce it like Pete Rozelle during the 1983 Draft!
The funny  
Jon in NYC : 4/2/2018 11:24 am : link
thing about Rosen to me, is that all of his knocks have nothing to do with him throwing the football. If he can stay healthy and out of the media, he should be a very good pro. I'm thinking Matt Ryan-esque, which is definitely worth the no. 3 pick.
RE: RE: Darnold  
Thegratefulhead : 4/2/2018 11:26 am : link
In comment 13896678 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 13896664 Thegratefulhead said:


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If the Giants select Darnold I predict Webb will clearly beat him out and it will leave the Giants with a mess. There will pressure to elevate Darnold anyway because he is a #2 pick. Webb is more accurate, especially deep, and takes better care of the football. IMO opinion, only Rosen or Mayfield beat out Webb in a QB competition.



You sir are crazy.
We will see. Webb has a much better arm than Darnold. Produced a better a season than Darnold ever has and his measurables are better. He also has spent an entire season working with the receivers, that matters.
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