Hidden within his thoughts on Mason Ruldoph potentially to the Giants is MG stating that he doesnt think the Giants will go QB at 2 overall. Given his connections to the org I certainly thought that was interesting, especially given all the HW the team seems to be doing on the QBs.
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4/6/18, 5:23 PM
Giants’ reported interest in Oklahoma State QB Mason Rudolph (via @RapSheet) is interesting because there is some overlap to what he ran in college and what Mike Shula ran in Carolina
Conor Orr (@ConorOrr)
4/6/18, 5:25 PM
In looking at the "second-tier" quarterbacks and beyond, it's been interesting to see how many the Giants have done their due diligence on.
Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet)
4/6/18, 9:37 AM
#OKState QB Mason Rudolph will have a top 30 visit with the #Bills this weekend, source said. Buffalo picks 12 and 22. He’s also met with or had workouts for the #Chargers, #Saints, #Giants, #Steelers, #Patriots, and #Bengals. It’s been quiet but very active.
The dude is a day 3 QB, but his size and theoretical upside will get him drafted higher. I have 0 faith in his NFL ability. Better QBs than he have fizzled out.
Because there is no way they "love Davis Webb so much." He's a third round pick who has zero NFL snaps. Even if they think he was a good pick they couldn't "love Davis Webb so much."
Going to take a guess and say the highest rated player, Barkley???
Anyway, I do not take it as a bad thing that our front office is doing its due diligence. If we get an offer we can't refuse to move out of the #2 pick, we'll take it. I mean, if Buffalo offers us 12, 22, 2019 and 2020 #1s, and something else, we'll take that, right? I'm not suggesting that is happening, but it may. In that case, we have to be prepared for other options.
What this should tell people is that we are doing A LOT of work on the QBs. That should let people know that we are going to use a very high pick on a QB to replace Eli in the near future. It is believed that Rudolph will now go in Round 1 (and if not, the top of round 2). That says to me that we are looking at him only if we trade down. So, if we don't trade down, I believe we are taking a QB at #2. (No, I do not believe Gettleman plans to use additional draft capital to move up into Round 1 to draft a QB, though it is possible. We simply have too many holes to fill, and I don't think he wants to use a 3rd, such as the one we picked up in the JPP deal, to move back up.)
Also their pick at the top of the second round is going to be valuable as well, what if they up with multiple picks in an exchange...
They must not believe the value is there.
If they believe Darnold is the pick, a third rounder is a small price to pay
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To think they pass on QB at 2.
They must not believe the value is there.
The dude is a day 3 QB, but his size and theoretical upside will get him drafted higher. I have 0 faith in his NFL ability. Better QBs than he have fizzled out.
Wow. I have a good friend who went to OK.St, has worked there for years now and goes to all their games and this is almost word for word what he says about Rudolph.
He loves the WR Washington and thinks he'll be a solid pro, but said whoever takes Rudolph will regret it. Says it won't be long til their fans see what he's watched for a few years now with him. Quote, "trust me, you don't want this guy".
Take it for what it's worth but my buddy knows his sports, and his eye test is good enough for me.
1) Darnold to Browns and Allen to Jets.
2) Won't predict who Giants will draft.
3) Chubb will go no later than #6. And La C believes Dorsey would take Chubb over Barkley at #4, if both are there. Which, if true, makes nonsense of any notion that Dorsey would take Barkley at #1, which Garafolo insisted was true post-combine.
4) Six QBs in round one. One of the trailing pack of teams trades up for Mayfield. Rudolph in the top half of round one.
5) OBJ traded (I don't buy).
In other news of the day, not in La Canfora's piece, John Elway and Vance Joseph got themselves to Los Angeles today for a private workout with Sam Darnold. A little bit of life for the possibility of the trade down to #5 that would net NYG either Barkley or Chubb plus picks.
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To think they pass on QB at 2.
They must not believe the value is there.
p.s.--I think the Giants will draft Rosen (if he's available) with the second pick because that's what I would do if I were Gettleman. And if my subconscious needed reassuring, there are plenty of dots that I could connect which would fool me into believing that it's based on more than just my opinion.
Getting Denver's 2nd rounder and 5th rounder this year plus next years number 1. Pick Nelson at 5, OL and Edge in round 2, QB and CB in round 3, RB, WR, C with the balance of the picks.
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and then pick Rudolph. Doesnt make sense. Who would be the target at 2 then?
Going to take a guess and say the highest rated player, Barkley???
Right but, would you rather have the HoF QB and good RB, or the good QB and the HoF RB? Makes more sense to go with the QB first, if they plan on taking one. Otherwise you might as well just roll with Eli and Davis.
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To think they pass on QB at 2.
They must not believe the value is there.
Who's they? This is no longer the "all decisions are organizational decisions" days of Jerry Reese. David Gettleman and only David Gettleman is going to make this decision and he is not going to share his thoughts with Garafalo ahead of time. It's fine if you and your contacts don't believe that Giants should draft a QB, but none of us of will know what the Giants are going to do until Gettleman does it. Reese had to build a consensus before an organizational decision could be made, Gettleman isn't beholden to that, ergo all the talk about how much better the Giants are this year when it comes to keeping a lid on things.
p.s.--I think the Giants will draft Rosen (if he's available) with the second pick because that's what I would do if I were Gettleman. And if my subconscious needed reassuring, there are plenty of dots that I could connect which would fool me into believing that it's based on more than just my opinion.
Who did Gettleman work under again?
If you think Gettleman is making this decision by himself you’re nuts Milt.
I really hope they don't waste a pick on Lauletta. I know everyone is looking for the next Garoppolo but Lauletta's lack of arm strength is very evident when watching him throw the deep ball. He would be a disaster playing in the winds of Metlife. I think his ceiling is Case Keenum, a QB who could play well if he is protected in a dome.
Honestly, i don't think even the Giants have settled yet on whether to take a QB #2, so i doubt any beat reporter will have a special insight that others don't.
Sounds like its a talking point people are using to sound smart
The Giabts are not running Shulas offense
If you think Gettleman is making this decision by himself you’re nuts Milt.
If the Giants think a Hall of Fame quarterback is there at number two they will select him. It is that simple.
For everyone screaming take a franchise quarterback, you have to remember there has to be a franchise quarterback available to be taken and maybe the Giants don’t think there is.
All these guys could be special....but none are sure fire HOF candidates. they all have ?????? that might lead to average careers.
now, if the Giants pass on a QB and one becomes special.....we will here about it here forever.
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All these guys could be special....but none are sure fire HOF candidates. they all have ?????? that might lead to average careers.
now, if the Giants pass on a QB and one becomes special.....we will here about it here forever.
I think you will here about in a lot of places not just here.
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Mason reminds me big time of Carson Palmer and like Carson, Mason’s talent to throw the deep ball with accuracy and velocity is unique and the reason it might be smart for teams looking for a starting quarterback to select him early in this draft. If Mason can develop better feel in the pocket and confidence in his own play he can become a franchise quarterback. But right now the talent around Mason makes him better and not the other way around like a true franchise quarterback who makes the talent around him better.
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Only similarities are size. If Rudolph had Cardona arm he’d be a first rounder
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and then pick Rudolph. Doesnt make sense. Who would be the target at 2 then?
Going to take a guess and say the highest rated player, Barkley???
Right but, would you rather have the HoF QB and good RB, or the good QB and the HoF RB? Makes more sense to go with the QB first, if they plan on taking one. Otherwise you might as well just roll with Eli and Davis.
If there is a HOF QB there, take him. I really only see the Giants liking Darnold. But that wasn’t the question asked.
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During the college season I thought he was the most talented QB after Rosen. If the Giants are in the QB market, I think Rudolph would rep good value in round 2.
If the Giants are serious about Rudolph, it would more likely be in a trade down scenario (i.e., one of Buffalo's 1st round picks) than with the #34 pick. He isn't likely to last until Day Two.
Maybe, but I’ve seen Rudolph mocked all over the place.
I’ve always said this draft is an either/or situation for the Giants. Either they take a QB at 2 or trade down and load up at talent at other positions. The potential Rudolph interest may be a hedge to accomplish both with a trade up towards the end of round 1 or at 34.
How about you all??
IMO, this guy knows little about quarterbacks.
In truth I did not like the Solder signing but it was a position of need they filled when their priority FA spurned them. The rest of the moves to this point are all bargain basement shopping for realistically unknown players. I’m trying to wait and see what the plan is but right now can’t say I see a plan for the future or present being applied looks more like something somewhere in between. It’s a new day but many of these moves to this point are once again questionable at best or history repeating itself.
You want Barkley... You should read this thread...
http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=567167
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Can't say I am enamored with these QBs, I lean towards a trade down, but I am OK with picking a QB not named Allen.
The Giants should not take a QB at #2
He felt (about 2 weeks ago) that the Redskins were taking QB Kyle Lauletta with the 44th overall pick. (this seems more likely with the trade for Hogan yesterday-a veteran backup to Alex Smith).
He felt that Lauletta had many traits similar to Phil Simms and that the Giants should do whatever they could to get Lauletta with a 2nd round pick in front of the Redskins 44th pick.
Dave seems to be saying the Giants should take Quenton Nelson with their top pick
Dave seems to like Rosen the least of the "Big 4" QBs.
Dave is an interesting guy to listen to. He throws a lot of info out there. If I am hearing him right, I think I have properly identified his conclusions.
Note to Dave Te: if I am wrong, than please jump in and correct me.
The Giants should not take a QB at #2
He felt (about 2 weeks ago) that the Redskins were taking QB Kyle Lauletta with the 44th overall pick. (this seems more likely with the trade for Hogan yesterday-a veteran backup to Alex Smith).
He felt that Lauletta had many traits similar to Phil Simms and that the Giants should do whatever they could to get Lauletta with a 2nd round pick in front of the Redskins 44th pick.
Dave seems to be saying the Giants should take Quenton Nelson with their top pick
Dave seems to like Rosen the least of the "Big 4" QBs.
Dave is an interesting guy to listen to. He throws a lot of info out there. If I am hearing him right, I think I have properly identified his conclusions.
Note to Dave Te: if I am wrong, than please jump in and correct me.
I will say this -- Dave Te was totally clued into the idea of the Giants taking Evan Engram -- and he was one of the few -- he also nailed a bunch of their other picks and signings last year -- so I would never dismiss what he is saying
A qb at the number 2 slot
A great last minute trade down offer that allows them to get close to the qb they would get at slot 2.
In sum, they are preparing. This trait was not always evident in prior years...hence scrambles when their target was taken. Witness Apple and Bromley as examples
p.s.--I know I've been giving you a hard time of late, but it's all part of the game. I appreciate your input.