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2018 NFL Draft Preview - OG/OC

Sy'56 : 4/9/2018 7:38 am
GUARDS/CENTERS

1 – Quenton Nelson – Notre Dame – 6’5/325

Grade: 85


Strong Points:

-Overwhelming size, power, and force immediately upon contact
-Relishes the role of an enforcer/bully on the field
-Very high IQ player, reacts to blitzes and stunts with ease

Weak Points

-Gets top heavy, making himself susceptible to the double moves
-Too reliant on upper body drive
-Feet get stuck in pass protection, doesn’t keep them active after engagement

Summary:

Fourth year junior. Widely proclaimed as the best OL in this class and I do agree, but not by the margin some say he is. Nelson is a dominant force that can win any 1 on 1 matchup power-wise in the NFL right now. But I am not sold on him as a pass blocker just yet, as there are tendencies with his footwork and leverage that concern me. If he cleans those areas up, and he certainly has the ability to do so, he will be a top tier OG right away. But if he doesn’t, guys like these can be maddening to watch.


2 – Braden Smith – Auburn – 6’6/315

Grade: 85


Strong Points:

-Sustains his block through the whistle, almost always
-Plays low, strong, and quick, excellent knee bend and ability to adjust
-Easy puller that is as comfortable in space as he is in traffic

Weak Points:

-Needs to develop more lower body power, the bull rush has given him issues
-Initial punch doesn’t deliver a jolt to defenders
-Will need time to adjust to a much more complex scheme than his college days

Summary:

Three year starter. 2 Time All SEC 2nd Team and 1st Team in 2017. With the versatility Auburn requires of its OL, Smith has seen time at both guard spots in addition to RT. No matter where he is, he plays with consistent technique from head to toe and a relentless style that is found going through the whistle. Smith is a superb athlete, among the best in the class along the OL, and constantly plays wit his feet moving and knees bent. Rarely would you ever see him not win the leverage battle. Smith could use more lower body strength and drive but he will be an immediate upgrade for almost every year at OG and maybe even OT.

NFL Comparison: Kevin Zeitler / CLE

3 – Martinas Rankin – Mississippi State – 6’4/308

Grade: 82


Strong Points:

-A boulder against the bull rush, gives up nothing
-Accelerates after contact, gets in and stays in control
-Very smart, capable of making line calls

Weak Points:

-Tight ankles, struggles to pivot and re-direct
-Doesn’t recover well in space
-Can lumber out of his stance, needs more explosion and quick reacting

Summary:

Fifth year senior. Spent two years in junior college before redshirting at Mississippi State in 2015. Played left tackle for two years but almost made a full tie move to OC in spring 2017. Rankin likely projects inside at the next level, where I can see him being a week 1 starter. The power presence is elite, his work in tight areas is very good, and his intelligence is some of the best in the class. I’m not sure he is the best athlete to pull out of his stance and lead block, but that can be hidden in some schemes. He is a week 1 starter and a solid emergency LT in case of injuries.

NFL Comparison: Cody Whitehair / CHI

4 – Isaiah Wynn – Georgia – 6’2/313

Grade: 81


Strong Points:

-Some of the best and most consistent techniques of all the OL in this class
-Foot speed is a plus, always under him providing balance and easy agility
-Hands are accurate and heavy

Weak Points:

-Less than ideal frame, short arms and small hands
-Recovering from shoulder surgery
-Struggles to fluidly move laterally as a pulling blocker

Summary:

Fourth year senior that has seen a balanced amount of time at guard and tackle. 2nd Team All American tackle in 2017. Played most of his senior year with a shoulder labrum tear and had surgery in January. Many think he will be a full-go by training camp. Wynn doesn’t exactly look the part, but back in October I said this guy was going to be a first round caliber guard and I am sticking to it. His best performances came against his best competition, something I love to see. He just wins and wins and wins. There is a chance you see him slide because of his less than ideal measurements, but this guy will be at least a very solid pro, I am confident in that.

NFL Comparison: Shaq Mason / NE

5 – Billy Price – Ohio State – 6’4/305

Grade: 80


Strong Points:

-Dependable snap to snap, week to week, month to month
-Smart and savvy, like an extra coach on the field
-Good initial punch and can usually keep his hands locked inside

Weak Points

-Struggles when initially beat, lacks the catch up quickness
-Doesn’t get enough separation with his upper body
-Lateral movement will be a struggle against speed

Summary:

Fifth year senior. Went on to start every game of his career (50+) at both guard and center. Probably can play either in the NFL but I think his best spot is OC. After all those consecutive starts, Price went and tore his pec during the Bench Press at the combine. Not a very quick injury to come back from but he should be ready sometime in August. It can hamper his rookie year, as he may need time to build himself back up. Price is a little short on athletic talent, but he is so savvy and understanding of where he needs to be. There are holes that can be exposed, but you know he can at least anchor against any bull rush and you know he will be an extra coach on the field. I don’t see a star, but I see a guy that will bring the same, solid level of play week in, week out.

NFL Comparison: Ryan Jensen / TB

6 – James Daniels – Iowa – 6’3/306

Grade: 79


Strong Points

-Top tier athlete post-snap, can reach defenders that most simply cannot
-Easy and natural mover at the second level
-Does everything right, from technique to line calls

Weak Points:

-Struggles against the power bull rush from big tackles
-Attaches himself to defenders, but won’t get a lot of movement
-Doesn’t react to different twists and stunts fast enough

Summary:

Junior entry. Most of his experience as been at center, but he has seen some time at OG. Daniels is a superior athlete compared to the other centers in this class. He can reach defenders off the snap that most cannot, his initial burst is rare. He is only 20 years old and one has to assume he is going to gain the power presence he needs in the coming years. In some schemes, he is a week 1 starter. In others, he may need a year.

NFL Comparison: Jason Kelce / PHI

7 – Frank Ragnow – Arkansas – 6’5/312

Grade: 78


Strong Points:

-Man among boys for long stretches, and that is in the SEC
-Keeps his hands inside with his feet chopping, technique on point
-Very good straight line, planned movement athlete

Weak Points:

-Doesn’t always react to late quickness and speed fast enough
-Pad level gets a little high
-Balance gets shaky when he is in space

Summary:

Three year starter that has played OC and OG. Some teams are looking at him strictly as an OG. I like his mental and physical presence at center. He is an extra coach on the field and brings the professional and reliable approach weekly. Ragnow has been dominating the SEC for three years. While I do see some weaknesses in his game when it comes to foot speed and leverage, I think he is the kind of guy that adjusts well and is able to always figure it out. Starter early in his career with a limited upside.

NFL Comparison: Travis Frederick / DAL

8 – Skyler Phillips – Idaho State – 6’3/324

Grade: 77


Strong Points:

-Strong initial punch, stands the defender up and gains control
-Gets movement on contact and will work hard to get more
-Shows good lateral movement to mirror pass rushers

Weak Points:

-Adjustments when it comes to footwork are lacking
-Over commits on his initial punch and will get caught leaning
-Hand placement gets inaccurate in pass protection

Summary:

Four year starter with experience at tackle and guard. I didn’t get to see much of Phillips until after the season and I had a few moments where I thought he was going to end up with a 1st round grade on my sheet. He is a dominant level run blocker in traffic and in space, and the experience he has at tackle does carry over in to a high ceiling as a pass blocker. He may struggle with how quickly he needs to adjust in the NFL but if that is a smooth transition, he is a top caliber guard. He could be a nice value-get in round 3 if NYG doesn’t go OL in round 2.

NFL Comparison: Larry Warford / NO

9 – Cole Madison – Washington State – 6’5/313

Grade: 76


Strong Points:

-Mobile and athletic footwork, can stick with speed and quickness
-Excellent mirror in pass protection, stays under control and balanced
-Accurate hands with a heavy punch

Weak Points:

-Has a steep learning curve ahead of him coming from the WSU scheme
-Doesn’t use enough leg drive as a run blocker
-Uncomfortable blocker in space

Summary:

Four year starter, mostly at RT. Will likely shift inside because of size limitations but I think that is where his upside is found anyway. Madison didn’t get a lot of attention but he was an extremely productive blocker. While the scheme helped a bit, his performances were pretty much the same week in, week out, no matter the situation. At the very least he will be a solid 6th lineman that will start games in the NFL.

NFL Comparison – Jack Mewhort - IND

10 – Will Hernandez – UTEP – 6’2/327

Grade: 75


Strong Points:

-A bull when he is moving downhill off the snap
-Excellent leverage and initial punch, almost always wins the contact battle
-Quick feet as a side shuffle pass blocker

Weak Points:

-Slow out of his stance as a lateral mover
-Struggles to maintain separation from defenders
-Gets top heavy, shows his numbers to the dirt, doesn’t keep his head up

Summary:

Fifth year senior. Hernandez will be ready for NFL right away when it comes to the power game. He won’t be pushed back by anyone and he will excel as a straight ahead run blocker. I get nervous with him elsewhere, however. If he is up against speed and quickness inside on passing downs, a growing trend, I can see him having a hard time. He doesn’t lock guys up and there are some adjustment issues. He can be a stud in the right scheme, but a major liability in the wrong scheme. He is not a one size fits all lineman.

NFL Comparison: Gabe Jackson / OAK

11 – Austin Corbett – Nevada – 6’4/306

Grade: 75


Strong Points:

-Fluid and easy footwork that just seem to come natural to him
-Excellent initial hand punch with it comes to pop and placement
-Versatility is a major plus, has the brains to play anywhere

Weak Points:

¬-Too easily altered by a quality pass rush
-Struggles to recover if initially beat, doesn’t trust his lower half enough
-Doesn’t keep his legs driving after contact

Summary:

Fifth year senior, four year starter. Overcame knee injuries from high school and has started every game since week 2 of 2014. Thee time team captain. Corbett is a top tier athlete among this group that simply lacks a power game. He is smart and aware enough to somewhat make up for it, but he is likely a 1-2 year project before being able to be relied on as a starter. I see a 6th lineman or solid interior starter at that point.

NFL Comparison: Clint Boling / CIN

12 – Dejon Allen – Hawaii – 6’2/295

Grade: 73


Strong Points:

-Excellent athlete with short area quickness and burst in space
-Works hard to keep his hands inside, can lock guys up
-Fast to locate his man in space and will quickly pounce

Weak Points:

-Doesn’t keep his lower half moving in pass protection, too top heavy
-Inconsistent technique and concentration
-Won’t get movement off the ball against bigger, more powerful DTs

Summary:

Fifth year senior. Four year starter with experience at both guard spots and left tackle. Allowed just 1 sack in 2 years at guard. Saw similar success at tackle, but when it comes to his skill set and size, he is going to play inside at the next level. Allen is a 2 year project with the upside of all but maybe 2 or 3 guys in this OG/OC class. His foot speed and work with his hands are top notch, rare for a college guard. If he can learn to use his legs more productively while adding weight, he can be a well balanced player in this league.

NFL Comparison: Connor McGovern / DEN

13 – Bradley Bozeman – Alabama – 6’5/296

Grade: 72


Strong Points:

-Hands and feet are very in sync with each other
-Has a level of natural strength to him, easy country power
-Gets his hips in the hole and will anchor against size and strength

Weak Points:

-Slow in space, struggles to reach linebackers laterally
-Doesn’t get enough push as a run blocker
-Looks unathletic when he is trying to recovery, gets sloppy

Summary:

Fifth year senior. Took over for Ryan Kelly as a fu time starter in 2016. He isn’t the same caliber prospect but coaches say he had a similar level impact. He plays the game like a pro, mentally and physically. Learning curve wont be very high for him. He is a limited ceiling athlete but that isn’t too important for an OC. He is always at the right place, right time. There is a lot of fight to him. Day 3 pick that could start on some teams right now.

NFL Comparison: Brandon Linder / JAC

14 – Mason Cole – Michigan – 6’4/305

Grade: 71


Strong Points:

-Very smart and alert, can make guys around him better
-Versatile tool set, has a lot of experience inside and out
-Easy bender, can lower his pad level and really dig in

Weak Points:

-Too easily altered by power and strength
-Ducks his head on contact, leaving him very susceptible
-Lacks stability and presence in the power game

Summary:

Has started every game of his career. Has played tackle and center. I was expecting to see big things out of him as a LT in 2017 because of his prior tape and athleticism. He could have come out last year and been a day 2 pick, but 2017 took a turn for the worst. He just lacked strength and presence every time I saw him, and that was against college kids. You can blame it on being out of position, as I think he is an OC-only, but the tape doesn’t lie. He is made for a zone blocking scheme where he isn’t matched up one on one with a Damon Harrison ever, but it’s not a fit for a lot of teams. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him succeed, but he isn’t worth a pick until round 5.

NFL Comparison: Travis Swanson / NYJ

15 – Wyatt Teller – Virginia Tech – 6’4/301

Grade: 71


Strong Points:

-Powerful tackle mover, can really pop a guy when he lines it up
-Keeps defenders away from his body
-Anchors against the bull rush well

Weak Points:

-Tight hips and ankles, doesn’t react well when he has to open up
-Slow mover when he pulls out and moves laterally
-Effort switch is off and on too often

Summary:

Fifth year senior. Came to Virginia Tech as a defensive lineman and it took him a year and a half to really get the hang of OL. Settled in to left guard and ended his career 1st Team All ACC in 2017. Another high upside player that is found down here. Just a very inconsistent player week to week. Flashes dominance at times but also some head scratchers. Have heard some negatives about his attitude too. He can handle NFL power today, but not the speed and quickness just yet.

NFL Comparison: TJ Lang – DET

16 - Kyle Bosch – West Virginia – 6’5/298 – GRADE: 71
17 - Brian Allen – Michigan State – 6’1/300 – GRADE: 71
18 - Rod Taylor – Ole Miss – 6’3/321 – GRADE: 71
19 - Will Clapp – LSU – 6’4/314 – GRADE: 71
20 - Colby Gossett – Appalachian State – 6’5/315 – GRADE: 71
21 - KJ Malone – LSU – 6’4/321 – GRADE: 70
22 - Sam Jones – Arizona State – 6’5/290 – GRADE: 69
23 - Scott Quessenberry – UCLA - 6’4/315 – GRADE: 68
24 - Toby Weathersby – LSU – 6’4/313 – GRADE: 68
25 - Taylor Hearn – Clemson – 6’4/330 – GRADE: 68

NYG APPROACH


With the signing of Nate Solder and the departure of Justin Pugh, the NYG approach to the offensive line can rightfully be pointed towards the interior. The current situation there can rightfully be considered a liability at this point, perhaps even worse than it was last year. If you want to settle on Brett Jones at OC, fine. But that means the OGs next to him need to be above average and I wouldn’t consider any option they currently have to be at that level. Round 2 is going to be a spot where one of the top 4-5 guys are available I think, and it is almost a must. I wouldn’t call it “shopping hungry”, as think the value will match up. If by some chance another prospect with a much higher grade is there, round 3 could still be an option to find a starting caliber OG/OC, but the odds significantly decrease. In terms of tackles, adding another body to the young group of question marks can be an option late because you can never have enough competition there, but the value needs to jump out considering the other holes this roster has.
Thanks, Sy. From this, I guess we should be able to  
Ira : 4/9/2018 7:49 am : link
get a very good interior lineman in the second round to continue the rebuilding of our offensive line.
Sy -  
Diver_Down : 4/9/2018 7:50 am : link
Have you heard any details on Price's injury? I know it was his pectoral, but there seems to be no public update on the extent and rehab timeline. Not doubting his talent, but if his injury/rehab keeps him out of OTA's and training camp, then he'll likely redshirt his rookie year. If he opens training camp on PUP and continues on PUP after the final 53, then it will be 8 weeks before he can come back. I don't think we have the luxury to pick a guy with our 2nd only to have him sit on scholarship for a year especially if we pick a QB at #2 that will be on scholarship for the first year.

A 3-13 team can't afford to have their top draft picks watching from the sideline.
Wow, thanks as always Sy.  
Big Blue '56 : 4/9/2018 7:53 am : link
You weren’t kidding when you said Nelson is the best but not by the margin many believe.

You have Nelson and Smith at the same points grade value
thank you again Sy  
Victor in CT : 4/9/2018 8:14 am : link
very enlightening.
Very helpful...  
the mike : 4/9/2018 8:19 am : link
Thanks Sy - great stuff on a Monday morning as usual and why it is so useful to have some critical thinking to help guide us during these next several weeks...

I am surprised by your grade on Nelson as I have been thinking he may be the best guard coming out since John Hannah or Joe DeLamielleure... do you have an NFL comparison on him? I was skeptical of selecting a guard with the second overall pick - this analysis suggests that it probably makes no sense to select a guard anywhere in the first round as comparable talent can be found later...
RE: Very helpful...  
Sy'56 : 4/9/2018 8:23 am : link
In comment 13905765 the mike said:
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Thanks Sy - great stuff on a Monday morning as usual and why it is so useful to have some critical thinking to help guide us during these next several weeks...

I am surprised by your grade on Nelson as I have been thinking he may be the best guard coming out since John Hannah or Joe DeLamielleure... do you have an NFL comparison on him? I was skeptical of selecting a guard with the second overall pick - this analysis suggests that it probably makes no sense to select a guard anywhere in the first round as comparable talent can be found later...


Sorry...

NFL Comparison on Nelson is Kelechi Osemele / OAK

I think the talk of him being "best ever" OG prospect has too much to do with his ability to dominate power/size wise. He can really overwhelm guys. But there are some holes when it comes to footwork that he will have to improve. He has a ways to go to be considered on the Zack Martin level
Tyler Crosby can compete at both OG and OT...  
Milton : 4/9/2018 8:26 am : link
Depending on where there's a greater need. And if you grab Ragnow with one of the two 3rd round picks, you have someone who can compete at both OC and OG (again depending on where there's a greater need).
RE: RE: Very helpful...  
Big Blue '56 : 4/9/2018 8:26 am : link
In comment 13905774 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 13905765 the mike said:


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Thanks Sy - great stuff on a Monday morning as usual and why it is so useful to have some critical thinking to help guide us during these next several weeks...

I am surprised by your grade on Nelson as I have been thinking he may be the best guard coming out since John Hannah or Joe DeLamielleure... do you have an NFL comparison on him? I was skeptical of selecting a guard with the second overall pick - this analysis suggests that it probably makes no sense to select a guard anywhere in the first round as comparable talent can be found later...



Sorry...

NFL Comparison on Nelson is Kelechi Osemele / OAK

I think the talk of him being "best ever" OG prospect has too much to do with his ability to dominate power/size wise. He can really overwhelm guys. But there are some holes when it comes to footwork that he will have to improve. He has a ways to go to be considered on the Zack Martin level


Better grade than Hutchinson coming out?
I agree with the imperative of coming out of the  
Reb8thVA : 4/9/2018 8:31 am : link
2nd round with a starting OL but some people will still be distracted by the bright shiny objects.
Meant  
Reb8thVA : 4/9/2018 8:32 am : link
2nd or 3rd round.
RE: RE: Very helpful...  
the mike : 4/9/2018 8:40 am : link
In comment 13905774 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 13905765 the mike said:


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Thanks Sy - great stuff on a Monday morning as usual and why it is so useful to have some critical thinking to help guide us during these next several weeks...

I am surprised by your grade on Nelson as I have been thinking he may be the best guard coming out since John Hannah or Joe DeLamielleure... do you have an NFL comparison on him? I was skeptical of selecting a guard with the second overall pick - this analysis suggests that it probably makes no sense to select a guard anywhere in the first round as comparable talent can be found later...



Sorry...

NFL Comparison on Nelson is Kelechi Osemele / OAK

I think the talk of him being "best ever" OG prospect has too much to do with his ability to dominate power/size wise. He can really overwhelm guys. But there are some holes when it comes to footwork that he will have to improve. He has a ways to go to be considered on the Zack Martin level


Great, thanks. Not yet comparable to Zack Martin - wow! Very surprising...
2 names I didn't see  
Mike in NY : 4/9/2018 9:03 am : link
Sean Welsh/Iowa
Coleman Shelton/Washington

Thoughts?
thanks Sy  
Andy in Boston : 4/9/2018 9:10 am : link
seems like the line is very fine between these guys...not a ton of separation. Lots of depth at this position in the draft.
Just based on these summaries, I’m picking Braden Smith  
Ivan15 : 4/9/2018 9:10 am : link
ahead of Nelson or anyone else.

His weaknesses are most easily correctable and he has no physical limitations. Played in a big time program.
would like 2 ol in the first 4 picks  
Chip : 4/9/2018 9:30 am : link
This group seems a lot better than the Tackles.
Thanks, Sy, great work as always!  
TC : 4/9/2018 10:01 am : link
And I think your suggested approach likely makes the most sense.
Diver...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/9/2018 10:05 am : link
speculation is he'll be ready by training camp:

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Sy -
Diver_Down : 7:50 am : link : reply
Have you heard any details on Price's injury? I know it was his pectoral, but there seems to be no public update on the extent and rehab timeline.


It was a partial tear and he's already had surgery on it. See the linked article below:

Quote:
Ohio State center and potential first-round NFL draft pick Billy Price underwent successful surgery on his "incomplete pec tear" Tuesday, a source told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Price is expected to be sidelined four months but should be ready for the start of training camp. Surgery is not expected to alter his draft stock, a source said. A second medical opinion recommended the surgery.

Price Expected back by Camp - ( New Window )
SY- Current roster  
giantstock : 4/9/2018 10:08 am : link
You don't think much of Omameh?
Wynn  
Jay in Toronto : 4/9/2018 10:10 am : link
Thanks Sy. You seem to have downgraded Wynn a bit since your preliminary discussion several weeks ago.

Is that primarily a result of weaknesses that have come out of more film watching or the relative gain by the other OLs?
I think the shocker here  
lugnut : 4/9/2018 10:17 am : link
is Will Hernandez at #10. Some folks here and elsewhere have been absolutely drooling, but...
Seems like one if the coaches  
idiotsavant : 4/9/2018 10:18 am : link
Made a comment with regards to not having decided yet if the prevalence of run blocking would be zone or power based.

So one would look for those few guards who can do both well? Or a guard and a center?

One would imagine that current prospect O tackles will also be considered at guard -in this regard - if they have the required skills - and without limits pick cost wise.

In other words, if Nelson is even in the conversation at 2 than any other worthy guard is worth a high ish pick as well.

I guess: u look for quick get up, great, great balance, decent feet, smarts, good movement skills in addition to power, low center of gravity ability if not build.

Which seems like a rare combo, and so a priority.
Sy' how is Teller's ADHD  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/9/2018 10:29 am : link
being viewed by the scouts.

From what I have read about him, it is something that he has been vocal about, in regards to how he has struggled to stay aggressive while playing on his medication. He didn't take them on gamedays his junior year, but was a little bit more wild leading to some penalities.

Last season he halfed his dosage on Gamedays, and played ok, but seemed to lack the aggression from the year before.
Random example:  
idiotsavant : 4/9/2018 10:30 am : link
In a trade down, even a first round O tackle, assuming he would make a guard that really fits the system aspirations, (which may well be a totally baseless hypothetical example) could be a value play.

If it gets you to that full menu of line play methods.

Translation expect guards or OL players, maybe two, from any rounds?
RE: I think the shocker here  
Diver_Down : 4/9/2018 10:33 am : link
In comment 13905999 lugnut said:
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is Will Hernandez at #10. Some folks here and elsewhere have been absolutely drooling, but...


I'm one of them with a man-crush on Will. While he can be heavy-footed, when he latches onto a defender, it is over. He is a mountain of a man and it shows with his run blocking. But he is also The Southern Border Wall in that when he anchors and latches on to a defender, no one is getting around him or pushing him back. I was watching his play in Mobile and I thought I saw the old-school horse-collar. As I looked closer, it was his traps that were protruding from under his shoulder pads.
Great analysis  
sharpshooter66 : 4/9/2018 10:33 am : link
cant argue with any of it
RE: Diver...  
Diver_Down : 4/9/2018 10:39 am : link
In comment 13905981 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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speculation is he'll be ready by training camp:



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Sy -
Diver_Down : 7:50 am : link : reply
Have you heard any details on Price's injury? I know it was his pectoral, but there seems to be no public update on the extent and rehab timeline.



It was a partial tear and he's already had surgery on it. See the linked article below:



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Ohio State center and potential first-round NFL draft pick Billy Price underwent successful surgery on his "incomplete pec tear" Tuesday, a source told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Price is expected to be sidelined four months but should be ready for the start of training camp. Surgery is not expected to alter his draft stock, a source said. A second medical opinion recommended the surgery.

Price Expected back by Camp - ( New Window )


Thanks, FMiC. If he checks out and is still there at #34, then he should merit consideration. While Sy has Ragnow highly rated, he is projected to be available at the top of the 3rd. Either of those two should be able to push Jones for the starting gig.
Based on Sy only  
idiotsavant : 4/9/2018 11:04 am : link
Timon Parris

or

Will Richardson

(third or fourth rounds?) As current tackle prospects who might project as guards that could function in both Power (pulling?) And Zone (slide vs next defender over?) systems without giving up anything in power ? (lower case here; Individual measure of strength)
RE: I think the shocker here  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/9/2018 11:06 am : link
In comment 13905999 lugnut said:
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is Will Hernandez at #10. Some folks here and elsewhere have been absolutely drooling, but...


Not sure what you mean but that #10 is not a projection of where he's should go in the draft.
RE: 2 names I didn't see  
Sy'56 : 4/9/2018 11:10 am : link
In comment 13905863 Mike in NY said:
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Sean Welsh/Iowa
Coleman Shelton/Washington

Thoughts?


Both are under the desired size measurements and neither play the game that fast or quick/twitched. You are looking at 7th round or UDFA with both.

Welsh has had some issues off the field...not trouble...just some mental health stuff.
RE: Sy -  
Sy'56 : 4/9/2018 11:12 am : link
In comment 13905738 Diver_Down said:
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Have you heard any details on Price's injury? I know it was his pectoral, but there seems to be no public update on the extent and rehab timeline. Not doubting his talent, but if his injury/rehab keeps him out of OTA's and training camp, then he'll likely redshirt his rookie year. If he opens training camp on PUP and continues on PUP after the final 53, then it will be 8 weeks before he can come back. I don't think we have the luxury to pick a guy with our 2nd only to have him sit on scholarship for a year especially if we pick a QB at #2 that will be on scholarship for the first year.

A 3-13 team can't afford to have their top draft picks watching from the sideline.


Price had a partial tear that did require surgery. I am actually quite familiar with the injury, especially with what caused it.

He will be a full go by training camp and until then, not much matters. He can still go to meetings, learn the schemes and what not. I don't think it will impact where he gets drafted
RE: SY- Current roster  
Sy'56 : 4/9/2018 11:13 am : link
In comment 13905985 giantstock said:
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You don't think much of Omameh?


Same level as Jerry. You can get away with him in there if he is surrounded by plus talent
RE: Wynn  
Sy'56 : 4/9/2018 11:14 am : link
In comment 13905988 Jay in Toronto said:
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Thanks Sy. You seem to have downgraded Wynn a bit since your preliminary discussion several weeks ago.

Is that primarily a result of weaknesses that have come out of more film watching or the relative gain by the other OLs?


I thought he had a shot at being a top 20 guy...but he will likely be more like top 30-35. Not a major downgrade. He is limited athletically, especially as a run blocker on the move. I like him...he will never be a star but he will be reliable
RE: Sy' how is Teller's ADHD  
Sy'56 : 4/9/2018 11:16 am : link
In comment 13906019 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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being viewed by the scouts.

From what I have read about him, it is something that he has been vocal about, in regards to how he has struggled to stay aggressive while playing on his medication. He didn't take them on gamedays his junior year, but was a little bit more wild leading to some penalities.

Last season he halfed his dosage on Gamedays, and played ok, but seemed to lack the aggression from the year before.


I think his progress with ADHD will be solved via nutrition. Pro teams are much more controlling and helpful with the players diets than in college. I don't think it will impact his grade much around the league. Some say there are maturity issues with him that cannot be solely blamed on the disorder.
Not a Hernandez fan I see  
jeff57 : 4/9/2018 11:17 am : link
I'd be happy with Wynn at 34. Like his versatility.
Thx and great job SY  
Earl the goat : 4/9/2018 11:27 am : link
How long has it been since a Wisconsin Badger offensive lineman hasn’t made your list ?
RE: Thx and great job SY  
Jay in Toronto : 4/9/2018 12:14 pm : link
In comment 13906161 Earl the goat said:
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How long has it been since a Wisconsin Badger offensive lineman hasn’t made your list ?


There was a delay in the impact of the weight-training changes of Coach Andersen as well as some injuries, so the current crop at UW is 'relatively' young. I suspect if Dieter (especially) or Edwards had come out early, they would be on the list.

So the short answer -- no Badgers on the list cause non are declared for the draft :)
RE: Thx and great job SY  
Sy'56 : 4/9/2018 12:29 pm : link
In comment 13906161 Earl the goat said:
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How long has it been since a Wisconsin Badger offensive lineman hasn’t made your list ?


I had Ramczyck up there last year.

They have 2 guys I will like a lot going in to the 2018 season.

OT Michael Deiter
OG Beau Benzschawel

Both would have had a shot at being the top at their position in this class
RE: RE: SY- Current roster  
giantstock : 4/9/2018 12:30 pm : link
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You don't think much of Omameh?



Same level as Jerry. You can get away with him in there if he is surrounded by plus talent


Then in this case they need to go after two offensive linemen with 2nd rd and 3rd rd picks with the 3rd pick a g/c or g/t?
RE: Wow, thanks as always Sy.  
old man : 4/9/2018 1:15 pm : link
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You weren’t kidding when you said Nelson is the best but not by the margin many believe.

You have Nelson and Smith at the same points grade value


+1. I thought the gap would be at least 6-7 points from top score for the next best.And QN would be higher.
Barkley's 94 , then vs #2 is all the more impressive.
2nd/3rd rd should be interesting in the OL drafting.
Dragon  
Dragon : 4/9/2018 2:43 pm : link
Strengths love the Giants, Dolphins 🐬, Yankees and Nets in that order mostly. Weakness fried foods, pizza and Chivas not necessarily in that order sometimes I’m really thirsty. I wonder if I can get drafted got strengths and weaknesses right? 😝
I have dirty dreams about getting Daniels at 34. I think  
jlukes : 4/9/2018 2:57 pm : link
he would be such an asset to this line at Guard and could even play center if the Jones experiment doesn't work
Daniels  
Dragon : 4/9/2018 3:37 pm : link
Seems a lock to go in the top 25 but if he’s there I’m happy to see him in blue.
Sy'56: What do you make of Sean O'Hara saying that Nelson....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 4/9/2018 3:43 pm : link
....is a bigger, stronger version of Chris Snee?

What do you make of Mike Mayock saying that Nelson is the best interior lineman to come out in two decades and is arguably the best overall player in this draft?
Thanks Sy  
Bluesbreaker : 4/9/2018 3:46 pm : link
I wouldn't mind Raginow at center
Sy  
Jay on the Island : 4/9/2018 8:50 pm : link
Weeks ago you said that you believed Braden Smith had the ability to handle LT if given the chance. Do you still believe that he can play OT as well as guard? If he can provide slightly below average play at OT then he should be near the top of the Giants board in round 2. Smith would potentially be a better Justin Pugh with longer arms.

Adding someone as versatile as that would be a huge get for this line.
RE: Sy'56: What do you make of Sean O'Hara saying that Nelson....  
Sy'56 : 4/9/2018 9:03 pm : link
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....is a bigger, stronger version of Chris Snee?

What do you make of Mike Mayock saying that Nelson is the best interior lineman to come out in two decades and is arguably the best overall player in this draft?


I can see why they say things like that.

A.Physically dominant when he gets his hands on
B. Clicks and attention, trying to affirm how much they like him
I am all for taking interior OL in both the 2nd and 3rd round  
Knee of Theismann : 4/10/2018 11:24 am : link
Based on this, I think we could get at least one (maybe two) pretty decent long-time starters at those spots in this draft.

Looking forward to seeing Eli actually staying upright on a few plays this year.
Sy, looking over your review....DL looks deep with talent  
George from PA : 4/10/2018 3:39 pm : link
you also have several strong interior Olinemen. the same could be said with how you view the RBs with one superstar.....WR while no top guys but plenty between 75 and 80.

is this a superior deep draft?

and with that....

does it make sense for the Giants to trade down?....if their QB is not there....and offer is substantial
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