I'll start with a nugget from Bill L which I think is spot on:
Think about it....If they take Chubb (or Darnold) with the #2 pick, then they certainly are going to go OL with the #34. I think an OG is a lock at the spot. SO, now they are down to their 3rd round pick as the first opportunity to go RB. There is no way in hell that there will be a 3rd round RB that will be "nearly as good as Barkley". That person does not exist. The real question is, by the time that you get to the 3rd round...at *best*...will that back give you more than Gallman. Likely not. |
IF we take the Bills' two firsts and a 2019 first we have our cake and eat it too.
We use the 12 on a defensive or offensive lineman, and the 22 on Michel/Jones/Guice/Penny or whoever you like among the backs. Then back to the lines with our second.
If we manage to get the Bills to cough up their second this year as well then we flesh out the 3-4 with that pick.
Now we go into the season with an O-line, a running game, and a potentially elite defense for Eli's swan song.
Then in 2019 the staff will have had a year to look at Webb and if they don't like him we should have a top-5 pick to draft a new QB with because the Bills will finish at the bottom of the pile after starting the rookie QB they drafted with our number 2.
Oh yeah, and we'll have a second first in 2019 as well.
The Giants are set for now and later with this scenario, and imo, it's far, far more compelling than any of outcomes if we stay at two.
I think recent drafts have shown its easier to scoop a serviceable RB in later rounds
I guess the drawback to that is whether, after spending assets to get to that spot, Buffalo would have anything worthwhile left to trade to us in order to convince us to drop 3-7 spots from where we are.
Hmmm. Gimme about three more weeks to figure this out.
Gotta agree. It's Saquon and then it's everyone else. Saquon is the best player in this draft by a country mile.
would you rather have 2 serviceable players when you could have had a future all pro or franchise qb?
We get our blue-chip, star player. We just have to wait until next year to get it with the Bills 2019 one.
It's delayed gratification. To say otherwise is nonsense unless you believe that 2018 is the only draft class that will produce star players.
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There is no Barkley depth. It is him, or a significant downgrade
Gotta agree. It's Saquon and then it's everyone else. Saquon is the best player in this draft by a country mile.
He may be the best athlete in the draft, but he is not the best football player by a country mile.
If you don't believe in any of the 2018 blue chips, so be it. I don't think the Giants (nor I) agree with it.
Sure you may prioritize certain positions when creating a draft board but you really do have to take the best player left on your board.
And if that's true it means you've filled your roster with more quality, young, affordable talent than would otherwise be possible.
The Bills are coming off a season in which they made the playoffs. What makes you so sure that pick will be a top 10? Plus they signed MCarron, so they do not have to go with a rookie QB right away.
- Extra 2nd/3rd picks this year can be used to address OL (particularly interior) and LB/DB
- Grab their 2019 1st which could be high if (when) Keenum reverts to his mediocre self.
Well put, though.
Some teams might do it, but a smart team won't.
The Giants need blue chip talent.
That's the case whether someone is advocating QB or not.
If you covet a player at #2 and believe him a difference-maker, you pick him. If you don't, then so be it.
Dogma? It's fact.
Buffalo doesn't pick 5...
Also, has the trade down then up next year crowd considered the scenario where Webb isn't the answer, and the Giants finish 7-9 or 8-8 and pick in the the teens, and the Buffalo pick is in the 20s. There's virtually no way the Giants are getting into the top 2 picks to take a qb they want. That assumes a team would want to trade with them at all. And if you dislike this years qb clas, you are going to be sickened by next years. The headliners are going to be guys who went back to school because they were projected to be mid round or later picks this year (see Lock and Finley) and a guy coming off of a gruesome kneee injury (Thornson). It's just hard to follow this logic of trading down only to attempt a trade up next year. Like it's just that simple.
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We need three OLmen, a RB, and all the draft picks will be winners......
An Elite defense? Really?
Denver (Elway and Joseph) made the same L.A. trip last Friday.
When you're top dog, you can make people come to you. Darnold did go to Cleveland.
Shows that Bills are aiming high, which is not news. Will also be interesting to see whether Darnold actually shows up in New Jersey for visits with Giants/Jets.
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There is no Barkley depth. It is him, or a significant downgrade
Gotta agree. It's Saquon and then it's everyone else. Saquon is the best player in this draft by a country mile.
Saquon is descended from a royal line of master race nobility and all the other RBs are dirty peasants.
I don't think there's much chance the Giants trade out of the 2 spot. Too much riding on it for Gettleman. And seeing that there's a commitment to Eli, getting a near-surefire impact player that can/will help immediately (ie, NOT a quarterback to sit a year) at #2 seems like a given to me.
Of course, I'm right alongside all the other blind speculators.
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In comment 13906304 Sy'56 said:
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There is no Barkley depth. It is him, or a significant downgrade
Gotta agree. It's Saquon and then it's everyone else. Saquon is the best player in this draft by a country mile.
Saquon is descended from a royal line of master race nobility and all the other RBs are dirty peasants.
Not quite, but Saquon is the best player in the draft. There are a lot of quality RBs this year, but Saquon is by far the best and has the most potential.
Thank you, SY!!!
Exactly. Good talent after Barkley? Yes. Great talent that is Barkley? None like him. Period, and those who nit-pit his fault of trying to do too much, Coach Johnson will teach him to take what the "D" gives you and not possibly lose yardage.
That's the only fault I know about him.
If you covet a player at #2 and believe him a difference-maker, you pick him. If you don't, then so be it.
Dogma? It's fact.
There are quite a few that fail to grasp this concept. Some mention Foles to support their argument even though Wentz started the first 13 games and played at an MVP level which is one of the main reason's why they won the SB with home field advantage throughout.
Having a great QB significantly increases your odds to be a perennial contender. If they have an average starting QB (like a Bortles, Tyrod Taylor, Andy Dalton, Prescott, etc) then they had better have a top defense, running game, and special teams in order to make it to the playoffs.
Exactly. Good talent after Barkley? Yes. Great talent that is Barkley? None like him. Period, and those who nit-pit his fault of trying to do too much, Coach Johnson will teach him to take what the "D" gives you and not possibly lose yardage.
That's the only fault I know about him.
Barkley is without a doubt the top RB in this class. Sure he could be the next LaDanian Tomlinson but he isn't a flawless prospect. Several scouts have expressed concern about his running between tackles. Is he Tomlinson or Reggie Bush?