"An offense can function on manufactured separation and quick throws, but it’s unlikely to ever be great. If Manning can get back the deep ball on a slightly more consistent basis, there’s certainly a chance those plays can launch Manning and the passing offense back up the top half of the league. However, the trend over the past few years does not suggest that’s a likely result. Without that added threat, Manning realistically offers little more than replacement-level value with his greatest strength on throws many young quarterbacks could come in and execute."
for an offense that didn't fit his skill and having an OL who allowed him zero time to throw?
The is a substantial portion of the analysis(you would have to read it) That uses throws form a CLEAN pocket only. I thought this was a very detailed and completely analysis. The best I have read yet, I thought it was very fair.
If all it was was coming and and making those throws Â
Doesn't mean there was confidence in a clean pocket. If we could have some consistency in our pass protection. There's just no evaluating we can do until we plug those holes
Some of us said it at the time when they scapegoated Killdrive. Classy flagship franchise my ass, your average Madden player was more knowledgeable than the FO.
Doesn't mean there was confidence in a clean pocket. If we could have some consistency in our pass protection. There's just no evaluating we can do until we plug those holes
The idea of a clean pocket is a fairy tale anyway. OL play sucks, generally speaking, league-wide. Any great QB has to be confident in spite of that.
I would expect some good portions of games, but more average Â
and a chance to go somewhere. Then I'd have two teams to root for next season.
No one realistically thinks that Eli can turn it around here. Sure they got a left tackle, but who's playing the other O-Line positions?
Eli will have two seconds to throw and will try to force it into a triple covered Beckham. We will have what has become a typical number of sack/fumbles and picks.
Which won’t be good enough to beat out Dallas or Philadelphia in the standings inside the division or the flock of solid teams in the conference for a WC.
then Eli would be gone by now. He played in a dogshit offense with a decimated WR corps, a bad oline and running game, and a rookie TE.
Exactly, not to mention that the rookie TE dropped several passes, some of them TD’s. I think he will end up being a good one, but have to improve the catch percentage.
Eli Manning 2018 will be similar to Rich Gannon's 2002. Age of both QBs?
37.
I'll go out on a further limb and say Eli could have 5 more productive years. Never injured, never took a hard hit in his whole career unlike most qbs who get lit up, like Romo.
Will be like Eli at any age. He will continue to make rookie mistakes, throw passes consistently high, and end up being an average /slightly below average QB.
He has lost his deep ball, but is stable.
On the other side , he will be available every game. He will pull off a few remarkable plays . If he is given the right combination of OL/DL Giants could be in a playoff position in 2019. Maybe he can go out like Elway.
Overall, he is done in 2 years. Giants need to build interior Ol/DL and build for future.Hopefully Webb will be able to step in.
Does anyone else find the level of analysis necessitated to make the case of Eli's (I realize that's not what the article states) remaining productivity a bit concerning? Seems like the amount of time dedicated by some analysts and posters making the case for Eli should be a big red flag. That is to say, if we have to go through such great lengths to define a narrow set of circumstances in which Eli can still be moderately successful, perhaps he isn't an NFL starting caliber qb anymore.
For example, Eli needs 5 new offensive linemen who are all of the highest quality, a top rb, and three legit number 1 WRs to have some measure of success. If a qb needs all of that to be successful, should he really be quarterbacking a super bowl hopeful team?
Simply my musings, but I find the level of analysis required to be a big disconcerting.
This idea that we should draft a QB because Eli is already in decline baffle me. I don't see it. He was always a streaky player and never was very consistent. He is still a gamer though and he showed it in the 2016 playoff game in Green Bay and then in several games this past season. Give him a much better interior O-line than what we can put out there at the moment which isn't much better than last year and it's only on paper. Bring back snaps from under center, a reliable running game, & play action passes.... I hope Eli plays well into his 40's just to prove everyone wrong yet again. Don't bet against him.
This idea that we should draft a QB because Eli is already in decline baffle me. I don't see it. He was always a streaky player and never was very consistent. He is still a gamer though and he showed it in the 2016 playoff game in Green Bay and then in several games this past season. Give him a much better interior O-line than what we can put out there at the moment which isn't much better than last year and it's only on paper. Bring back snaps from under center, a reliable running game, & play action passes.... I hope Eli plays well into his 40's just to prove everyone wrong yet again. Don't bet against him.
This idea that we should draft a QB because Eli is already in decline baffle me. I don't see it. He was always a streaky player and never was very consistent. He is still a gamer though and he showed it in the 2016 playoff game in Green Bay and then in several games this past season. Give him a much better interior O-line than what we can put out there at the moment which isn't much better than last year and it's only on paper. Bring back snaps from under center, a reliable running game, & play action passes.... I hope Eli plays well into his 40's just to prove everyone wrong yet again. Don't bet against him.
I thought the author made a very sound analysis of Eli's play. He included video, relevant statistics and links to explain them. I found ANY/A Average net yard per attempt at footballperspective.com and aDOT average depth of target at airyards.com very compelling and useful information trying to understand what has been going on with Eli. Why does everyone seem only interested in supporting their own personal narrative rather than getting to the truth of the matter? IDGAF whether I am right or wrong.
Will be like Eli at any age. He will continue to make rookie mistakes, throw passes consistently high, and end up being an average /slightly below average QB.
He has lost his deep ball, but is stable.
On the other side , he will be available every game. He will pull off a few remarkable plays . If he is given the right combination of OL/DL Giants could be in a playoff position in 2019. Maybe he can go out like Elway.
Overall, he is done in 2 years. Giants need to build interior Ol/DL and build for future.Hopefully Webb will be able to step in.
Lost his deep ball? His average release time has been sub 3 seconds due to a combination of a shit line (as well as no threat of a running game due to that line), and Macadoo’s offensive scheme. How many receivers can get deep in 2 seconds? It’s amazing how things have worked with this team the last six years. The offensive line has been the key driver of the decline, we won the last SB with a line on its last legs. Once those guys retired and the replacements sucked, Gilbride was the first scapegoat (his scheme requires the QB to hold the call and therefore requires a good line), then it was Coughlin that was the issue. Then Reese and Macadoo try to run Eli out of town to save their ass, are then properly fired, and now half the fan base is blaming Eli for our lack of production the last few years. What QB would have been successful in that offense last year? And don’t say a mobile QB because they would have gotten hurt as always.
Agree to disagree on that one. I think a lot of people on this board are going to be surprised to see how well he plays this year when Gettleman puts a good line in front of him and hopefully a good RB in the backfield. I’m sure Eli is sleeping better knowing Flowers won’t be protecting his blindside anymore.
Flowers wasn't exactly the big problem last year Â
franchise quarterback finally reaches the end. How long will it take to find a replacement and how much will it cost in draft choices?
The main goal is to avoid being the Buffalo Bills, who are still looking for their first franchise QB since Jim Kelly. This looks like the year that team, which has already traded to move up in the draft, will give up as many draft choices as necessary to finally end their quarterback nightmare.
It looked like the Cowboys had their next franchise quarterback fall out of the clouds and land in their locker room. But entering his third year, the 'Boys and fans will be holding their breaths to see if they get the four pick first year Dak or the thirteen pick second year Dak.
Rarely does a team have the situation set up as well as it does for the Giants this draft. As their trusty Eli prepares to wrap up his career, the Giants should be able to hit his successor in stride, using only one draft choice in a quarterback-rich draft.
The only alternative that they might go for is if Buffalo offered them that basketload of draft picks, and it included at least a #1 for next season to help them get that QB next year.
But it is so less risky just to do the deed this year.
Especially when there is no obvious QB next year. Â
Darnold and Rosen were already known commodities a year before they declared. There's definitely a big risk in just assuming you can trade down and get a QB next year.
Will be like Eli at any age. He will continue to make rookie mistakes, throw passes consistently high, and end up being an average /slightly below average QB.
He has lost his deep ball, but is stable.
On the other side , he will be available every game. He will pull off a few remarkable plays . If he is given the right combination of OL/DL Giants could be in a playoff position in 2019. Maybe he can go out like Elway.
Overall, he is done in 2 years. Giants need to build interior Ol/DL and build for future.Hopefully Webb will be able to step in.
Lost his deep ball? His average release time has been sub 3 seconds due to a combination of a shit line (as well as no threat of a running game due to that line), and Macadoo’s offensive scheme. How many receivers can get deep in 2 seconds? It’s amazing how things have worked with this team the last six years. The offensive line has been the key driver of the decline, we won the last SB with a line on its last legs. Once those guys retired and the replacements sucked, Gilbride was the first scapegoat (his scheme requires the QB to hold the call and therefore requires a good line), then it was Coughlin that was the issue. Then Reese and Macadoo try to run Eli out of town to save their ass, are then properly fired, and now half the fan base is blaming Eli for our lack of production the last few years. What QB would have been successful in that offense last year? And don’t say a mobile QB because they would have gotten hurt as always.
The analysis shows Eli's accuracy over the years. It isolated throws ONLY FROM CLEAN POCKETS and included supporting video evidence. His accuracy on deep balls has declined, he is below league average on these throws. Again, from a clean pocket only. If you are honest with yourself and look at the videos he is missing people wide open deep.
Will be like Eli at any age. He will continue to make rookie mistakes, throw passes consistently high, and end up being an average /slightly below average QB.
He has lost his deep ball, but is stable.
On the other side , he will be available every game. He will pull off a few remarkable plays . If he is given the right combination of OL/DL Giants could be in a playoff position in 2019. Maybe he can go out like Elway.
Overall, he is done in 2 years. Giants need to build interior Ol/DL and build for future.Hopefully Webb will be able to step in.
Lost his deep ball? His average release time has been sub 3 seconds due to a combination of a shit line (as well as no threat of a running game due to that line), and Macadoo’s offensive scheme. How many receivers can get deep in 2 seconds? It’s amazing how things have worked with this team the last six years. The offensive line has been the key driver of the decline, we won the last SB with a line on its last legs. Once those guys retired and the replacements sucked, Gilbride was the first scapegoat (his scheme requires the QB to hold the call and therefore requires a good line), then it was Coughlin that was the issue. Then Reese and Macadoo try to run Eli out of town to save their ass, are then properly fired, and now half the fan base is blaming Eli for our lack of production the last few years. What QB would have been successful in that offense last year? And don’t say a mobile QB because they would have gotten hurt as always.
The Manning fan club strikes again. Eli is/was an average QB.he has always thrown a high ball, his decision making - always questionable.
His great asset is he will take any hit and get up, quiet toughness.The reality is he is almost finished. Hopefully the Giants will load up on OL/DL and give him one last shot in 2019.
I would rather see him go out like Elway than like his brother.
of people calling Eli an average in the past is just weird anymore. he may be on the downside of his career - but average? Come on now, its just silly.
Eli was clearly better than average for years. No question. Â
I agree with Jimmy Googs thoroughly on this topic.......
And, I fully expect Eli will be done quicker than many of you expect. A 2-4 start and it may all be over. Hope not just because I don’t want another bad season but I think his end is imminent if Giants are not out of the gate competing for a playoff birth.
I’m confused by those who think the Giants see a guy with 2-3 seasons left. They had to save face and can the gm and coach but they are clearly ready to move on. And my guess is we will see that manifest in a qb pick.
He will get every means to prove his value go forward but I suspect the hook will be quick and the leash is short.
with someone you know is wrong for you but she got drunk back in 2007 and brought one of her girlfriends home for a three way and then did it again in 2011. So now you're just sitting there unhappy with the hopes that will happen again
Is Eli’s kills inbdecline or was it the idiot who was the HC the last two years the reason for the decline?
I am somewhere on it was both and that’s why I am curious to see how he plays this year. I think anyone ruling out 4.000, 30 TD season could be in a surprise but also anyone expecting a pro bowl year is as well.
I want to see how he does without McAdoo. He deserves that right.
Is Eli’s kills inbdecline or was it the idiot who was the HC the last two years the reason for the decline?
I am somewhere on it was both and that’s why I am curious to see how he plays this year. I think anyone ruling out 4.000, 30 TD season could be in a surprise but also anyone expecting a pro bowl year is as well.
I want to see how he does without McAdoo. He deserves that right.
Eli is 37. There's a very good chance that he's physically in decline. And there's proof of it too, but it's advanced metrics-based which is not widely accepted (yet). But the 37 part, that's a fact. And rebuilding a 3-13 team around a 37 year old is a little bit like trying to build a mansion on a foundation of quicksand.
This Org has been a clusterfuck since TC was canned Â
I’m confused by those who think the Giants see a guy with 2-3 seasons left.
A fanbase with deep emotional attachment shouldn't be a surprise. Look at the uproar when they didn't start him for a game. Just like there are some people who weren't and still aren't ready to move on from Tom Coughlin, there are some people who think Eli should get the ball until he himself decides to move on.
Look -- I'm not going to be rabid here -- but I don't thin so
He's shown himself to be able to make the long pass in the past three years -- even though the scheme stressed a three count drop
now is he inconsistent -- he's always been inconsistent -- does he thrive in a pocket where there are constant heat missiles coming at him -- no frikken qb can -- even Tom Brady can't
this narrative of Eli not being able to make the throws is based on an equation some of you are walking around with in your heads -- getting older -- must be getting worse --
--it's not based on what he's actually been able to do. Eli is in tremendous condition and I think he has a few good years left in him and he has demonstrated physically that he can make the throws
so I don't know what the rest of you are seeing -- but it may be going through some kind of special filter system -- cause from what I can see he can still play
there was a line some of you guys were carrying about his weak grip in 2007 -- so I want to remind you -- narrative does not equal reality -- maybe take a look at his game film and get a dose of it
after reviewing the above -- there are game clips of Â
Eli overthrowing his receivers -- from last season -- so the debate is not whether he can make the throws -- because the film linked above certainly shows he can make the throws -- it is - is Eli accurate?
so I'm going to tell you in the same analysis -- the author said he is still accurate in the quick short timing game -- which certainly was the scheme
and the facts are that the scheme that McAdoo ran was a timing game -- so the QB is supposed to get in a rhythm -- and what I see in those long passes is a QB that is not in rhythm with his receiver
and primarily with Beckham -- who was hobbled all season before he went on ir ---Engram and Eli were in their first year together too
You want to argue his timing was off with both of them for stretches -- that's possible -- that doesn't mean he can make the throws -- that's what a lot of you above are arguing -- and it is clearly ridiculous
His skills have declined enough that he is average, not likely to improve, very likely to decline more. I think you can definitely win with him if you give him all the things everyone agrees that he needs. A rookie or journeyman can win with those things in today's NFL too. No knock on Eli, father time be undefeated.
I strongly disagree with your assessment and ask that you demonstrate with some proof what you are saying
To me it just sounds like you have a narrative pasted in your head - over ruling the eyes
I included tons of proof in the link. Statistical analysis of Eli over the years from clean pockets including the NFL averages over the same time period. One has only to read it. From clean pockets, his deep ball accuracy has declined vs the rest of the NFL, fact. How much more proof can a person provide other than stats and video? It sounds like the only evidence you are willing to accept is Eli admitting it himself "I am not the same as I used to be" I would argue that you are missing the eye test and have a narrative, not I. By every statistical measure of QB efficiency Eli has declined. The best anyone can argue is subjective evidence to make excuses for the decline or point to statistical outliers or use a small sample size in an attempt to support an illogical defense of his decline. I do not know if the author I linked is correct, based on the evidence I agree with his conclusion because it was so well supported. Is what it is.
"Now comes the troubling part. Over the past three seasons, Manning has been below average up to three yards, closer to average from five to around 17 yards past the line of scrimmage, and then there’s a steep drop off on anything deeper.
In its simplest terms, what this trend shows is Manning has lost the deep ball — or at least the ability to consistently hit it. Per the NFL’s Next Gen Stats, Manning’s longest completion of the season traveled 46.2 yards through the air, the fifth-shortest max throw from a quarterback in 2017."
Say it all the time, he’s my all time favorite. But we need to draft a QB. I can’t imagine that Gettleman, not known for his sentimentality, doesn’t see this too.
But I’ll add a little bit of insight. Watch Eli’s game winning drive against the Broncos in 2005 on YouTube. Look at him elude pressure and buy time to extend plays multiple times - it was like watching a totally different qb.
I have not seen Eli do anything remotely close to that in years regarding moving around in the pocket and eluding pass rushers. And there was quick pressure a few times in that sequence.
The idea of a clean pocket is a fairy tale anyway. OL play sucks, generally speaking, league-wide. Any great QB has to be confident in spite of that.
I would expect more inconsistent levels of play and poor production in 4qtrs of games.
I would expect a continued level of decline...
No one realistically thinks that Eli can turn it around here. Sure they got a left tackle, but who's playing the other O-Line positions?
Eli will have two seconds to throw and will try to force it into a triple covered Beckham. We will have what has become a typical number of sack/fumbles and picks.
Eli Manning 2018 will be similar to Rich Gannon's 2002. Age of both QBs?
37.
Exactly, not to mention that the rookie TE dropped several passes, some of them TD’s. I think he will end up being a good one, but have to improve the catch percentage.
Eli Manning 2018 will be similar to Rich Gannon's 2002. Age of both QBs?
37.
+1, we are all entitled to our opinion.
Eli Manning 2018 will be similar to Rich Gannon's 2002. Age of both QBs?
37.
I'll go out on a further limb and say Eli could have 5 more productive years. Never injured, never took a hard hit in his whole career unlike most qbs who get lit up, like Romo.
He has lost his deep ball, but is stable.
On the other side , he will be available every game. He will pull off a few remarkable plays . If he is given the right combination of OL/DL Giants could be in a playoff position in 2019. Maybe he can go out like Elway.
Overall, he is done in 2 years. Giants need to build interior Ol/DL and build for future.Hopefully Webb will be able to step in.
For example, Eli needs 5 new offensive linemen who are all of the highest quality, a top rb, and three legit number 1 WRs to have some measure of success. If a qb needs all of that to be successful, should he really be quarterbacking a super bowl hopeful team?
Simply my musings, but I find the level of analysis required to be a big disconcerting.
This idea that we should draft a QB because Eli is already in decline baffle me. I don't see it. He was always a streaky player and never was very consistent. He is still a gamer though and he showed it in the 2016 playoff game in Green Bay and then in several games this past season. Give him a much better interior O-line than what we can put out there at the moment which isn't much better than last year and it's only on paper. Bring back snaps from under center, a reliable running game, & play action passes.... I hope Eli plays well into his 40's just to prove everyone wrong yet again. Don't bet against him.
This idea that we should draft a QB because Eli is already in decline baffle me. I don't see it. He was always a streaky player and never was very consistent. He is still a gamer though and he showed it in the 2016 playoff game in Green Bay and then in several games this past season. Give him a much better interior O-line than what we can put out there at the moment which isn't much better than last year and it's only on paper. Bring back snaps from under center, a reliable running game, & play action passes.... I hope Eli plays well into his 40's just to prove everyone wrong yet again. Don't bet against him.
He did.
No what?
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I want to see him use it up in a Giants uniform.
This idea that we should draft a QB because Eli is already in decline baffle me. I don't see it. He was always a streaky player and never was very consistent. He is still a gamer though and he showed it in the 2016 playoff game in Green Bay and then in several games this past season. Give him a much better interior O-line than what we can put out there at the moment which isn't much better than last year and it's only on paper. Bring back snaps from under center, a reliable running game, & play action passes.... I hope Eli plays well into his 40's just to prove everyone wrong yet again. Don't bet against him.
He did.
No what?
Now*
and the QB always takes the blame
.....wrongfully in too many cases
He has lost his deep ball, but is stable.
On the other side , he will be available every game. He will pull off a few remarkable plays . If he is given the right combination of OL/DL Giants could be in a playoff position in 2019. Maybe he can go out like Elway.
Overall, he is done in 2 years. Giants need to build interior Ol/DL and build for future.Hopefully Webb will be able to step in.
Lost his deep ball? His average release time has been sub 3 seconds due to a combination of a shit line (as well as no threat of a running game due to that line), and Macadoo’s offensive scheme. How many receivers can get deep in 2 seconds? It’s amazing how things have worked with this team the last six years. The offensive line has been the key driver of the decline, we won the last SB with a line on its last legs. Once those guys retired and the replacements sucked, Gilbride was the first scapegoat (his scheme requires the QB to hold the call and therefore requires a good line), then it was Coughlin that was the issue. Then Reese and Macadoo try to run Eli out of town to save their ass, are then properly fired, and now half the fan base is blaming Eli for our lack of production the last few years. What QB would have been successful in that offense last year? And don’t say a mobile QB because they would have gotten hurt as always.
And he is not finding it anytime soon...
And he is not finding it anytime soon...
Agree to disagree on that one. I think a lot of people on this board are going to be surprised to see how well he plays this year when Gettleman puts a good line in front of him and hopefully a good RB in the backfield. I’m sure Eli is sleeping better knowing Flowers won’t be protecting his blindside anymore.
The main goal is to avoid being the Buffalo Bills, who are still looking for their first franchise QB since Jim Kelly. This looks like the year that team, which has already traded to move up in the draft, will give up as many draft choices as necessary to finally end their quarterback nightmare.
It looked like the Cowboys had their next franchise quarterback fall out of the clouds and land in their locker room. But entering his third year, the 'Boys and fans will be holding their breaths to see if they get the four pick first year Dak or the thirteen pick second year Dak.
Rarely does a team have the situation set up as well as it does for the Giants this draft. As their trusty Eli prepares to wrap up his career, the Giants should be able to hit his successor in stride, using only one draft choice in a quarterback-rich draft.
The only alternative that they might go for is if Buffalo offered them that basketload of draft picks, and it included at least a #1 for next season to help them get that QB next year.
But it is so less risky just to do the deed this year.
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Will be like Eli at any age. He will continue to make rookie mistakes, throw passes consistently high, and end up being an average /slightly below average QB.
He has lost his deep ball, but is stable.
On the other side , he will be available every game. He will pull off a few remarkable plays . If he is given the right combination of OL/DL Giants could be in a playoff position in 2019. Maybe he can go out like Elway.
Overall, he is done in 2 years. Giants need to build interior Ol/DL and build for future.Hopefully Webb will be able to step in.
Lost his deep ball? His average release time has been sub 3 seconds due to a combination of a shit line (as well as no threat of a running game due to that line), and Macadoo’s offensive scheme. How many receivers can get deep in 2 seconds? It’s amazing how things have worked with this team the last six years. The offensive line has been the key driver of the decline, we won the last SB with a line on its last legs. Once those guys retired and the replacements sucked, Gilbride was the first scapegoat (his scheme requires the QB to hold the call and therefore requires a good line), then it was Coughlin that was the issue. Then Reese and Macadoo try to run Eli out of town to save their ass, are then properly fired, and now half the fan base is blaming Eli for our lack of production the last few years. What QB would have been successful in that offense last year? And don’t say a mobile QB because they would have gotten hurt as always.
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Will be like Eli at any age. He will continue to make rookie mistakes, throw passes consistently high, and end up being an average /slightly below average QB.
He has lost his deep ball, but is stable.
On the other side , he will be available every game. He will pull off a few remarkable plays . If he is given the right combination of OL/DL Giants could be in a playoff position in 2019. Maybe he can go out like Elway.
Overall, he is done in 2 years. Giants need to build interior Ol/DL and build for future.Hopefully Webb will be able to step in.
Lost his deep ball? His average release time has been sub 3 seconds due to a combination of a shit line (as well as no threat of a running game due to that line), and Macadoo’s offensive scheme. How many receivers can get deep in 2 seconds? It’s amazing how things have worked with this team the last six years. The offensive line has been the key driver of the decline, we won the last SB with a line on its last legs. Once those guys retired and the replacements sucked, Gilbride was the first scapegoat (his scheme requires the QB to hold the call and therefore requires a good line), then it was Coughlin that was the issue. Then Reese and Macadoo try to run Eli out of town to save their ass, are then properly fired, and now half the fan base is blaming Eli for our lack of production the last few years. What QB would have been successful in that offense last year? And don’t say a mobile QB because they would have gotten hurt as always.
The Manning fan club strikes again. Eli is/was an average QB.he has always thrown a high ball, his decision making - always questionable.
His great asset is he will take any hit and get up, quiet toughness.The reality is he is almost finished. Hopefully the Giants will load up on OL/DL and give him one last shot in 2019.
I would rather see him go out like Elway than like his brother.
I agree with Jimmy Googs thoroughly on this topic.......
And, I fully expect Eli will be done quicker than many of you expect. A 2-4 start and it may all be over. Hope not just because I don’t want another bad season but I think his end is imminent if Giants are not out of the gate competing for a playoff birth.
I’m confused by those who think the Giants see a guy with 2-3 seasons left. They had to save face and can the gm and coach but they are clearly ready to move on. And my guess is we will see that manifest in a qb pick.
He will get every means to prove his value go forward but I suspect the hook will be quick and the leash is short.
ANY/A is a great stat and puts in perspective good qb performance.
I am somewhere on it was both and that’s why I am curious to see how he plays this year. I think anyone ruling out 4.000, 30 TD season could be in a surprise but also anyone expecting a pro bowl year is as well.
I want to see how he does without McAdoo. He deserves that right.
Love the Eli for 2 fabulous Super Bowl runs. But anybody thinking this franchise hasn’t paid and treated him fabulously for years is comical.
Giants owe him nothing...
That could be the best anti-Eli rant I have read yet..
Are there more beers in the cooler?
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I am somewhere on it was both and that’s why I am curious to see how he plays this year. I think anyone ruling out 4.000, 30 TD season could be in a surprise but also anyone expecting a pro bowl year is as well.
I want to see how he does without McAdoo. He deserves that right.
Eli is 37. There's a very good chance that he's physically in decline. And there's proof of it too, but it's advanced metrics-based which is not widely accepted (yet). But the 37 part, that's a fact. And rebuilding a 3-13 team around a 37 year old is a little bit like trying to build a mansion on a foundation of quicksand.
Certainly not Eli
My view and nothing else
Certainly not Eli
My view and nothing else
Haha right, that's when the cluster started. If you say so.
If anyone has failed Eli...it was Reese and his own Ego/ Agenda/No More
Coughlin...
It's how I see it...
Now we are here...
I’m confused by those who think the Giants see a guy with 2-3 seasons left.
A fanbase with deep emotional attachment shouldn't be a surprise. Look at the uproar when they didn't start him for a game. Just like there are some people who weren't and still aren't ready to move on from Tom Coughlin, there are some people who think Eli should get the ball until he himself decides to move on.
He's shown himself to be able to make the long pass in the past three years -- even though the scheme stressed a three count drop
now is he inconsistent -- he's always been inconsistent -- does he thrive in a pocket where there are constant heat missiles coming at him -- no frikken qb can -- even Tom Brady can't
this narrative of Eli not being able to make the throws is based on an equation some of you are walking around with in your heads -- getting older -- must be getting worse --
--it's not based on what he's actually been able to do. Eli is in tremendous condition and I think he has a few good years left in him and he has demonstrated physically that he can make the throws
so I don't know what the rest of you are seeing -- but it may be going through some kind of special filter system -- cause from what I can see he can still play
there was a line some of you guys were carrying about his weak grip in 2007 -- so I want to remind you -- narrative does not equal reality -- maybe take a look at his game film and get a dose of it
so I'm going to tell you in the same analysis -- the author said he is still accurate in the quick short timing game -- which certainly was the scheme
and the facts are that the scheme that McAdoo ran was a timing game -- so the QB is supposed to get in a rhythm -- and what I see in those long passes is a QB that is not in rhythm with his receiver
and primarily with Beckham -- who was hobbled all season before he went on ir ---Engram and Eli were in their first year together too
You want to argue his timing was off with both of them for stretches -- that's possible -- that doesn't mean he can make the throws -- that's what a lot of you above are arguing -- and it is clearly ridiculous
To me it just sounds like you have a narrative pasted in your head - over ruling the eyes
To me it just sounds like you have a narrative pasted in your head - over ruling the eyes
In its simplest terms, what this trend shows is Manning has lost the deep ball — or at least the ability to consistently hit it. Per the NFL’s Next Gen Stats, Manning’s longest completion of the season traveled 46.2 yards through the air, the fifth-shortest max throw from a quarterback in 2017."
I have not seen Eli do anything remotely close to that in years regarding moving around in the pocket and eluding pass rushers. And there was quick pressure a few times in that sequence.