To preface I have watched him play some games in college. I will tell you the truth, I do not see what a lot of you guys and the talking heads see. So I looked on YouTube for some scouting reports to hear what people are saying. Maybe I am just taking crazy pills. Personality and locker room lawyer aside, I am not basing it on any of that. I am talking purely as a fan watching a QB.
So I found this video right near the top calling Josh Rosen Overrated. So of course I had to watch it. While he does point out some of the same things I see when I watch Josh I don't agree with his assumptions of Josh's non football activities. I am talking strictly as a QB. He shouldn't have went there.
I will list my concerns and tell me what am I missing?
While he does have a nice release and repetitive throwing motion I find that the receivers do more adjusting to the ball than it being perfectly placed. I don't know but to back up that he is not an overly accurate QB as he is made out to be if you look at his college stats he is a college career 60% passer. The way everybody talks about him you would think he was mid to high 60's.
I noticed too many times when he leaves the pocket bad things happen. He is less accurate there and makes a lot of head scratching throws.
I was watching another scouting report on a CB Isaiah Oliver. Oliver was covering the UCLA WR and when Rosen made the throw it was seriously under thrown. Even Brett Kollmann who was giving his review of the CB stated how poorly thrown the ball was. It was not a back shoulder throw because Brett said you would never throw a back shoulder pass with a high arc.
Another major concern for me is in 3 college seasons he only has one completed playing every game. If you can't stay healthy you are no good to your team.
So I am not trashing the kid, I just want to know purely what makes you so confident in him? Because I just don't see it. He looks like an average QB to me.
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Rosen does check off way more boxes than Sanchez, who hardly checked off any, and somehow Jets got bamboozled into drafting him high. But there's also a chance Rosen will get dumped by Eva Longoria because he sucks causing him to buttfumble.
Rosen does check off way more boxes than Sanchez, who hardly checked off any, and somehow Jets got bamboozled into drafting him high. But there's also a chance Rosen will get dumped by Eva Longoria because he sucks causing him to buttfumble.
I think you mean Darnold. He has been cited as "leadership" and IT factor. Not Rosen
You mean displace him like water in his hot tub?
We have all been spoiled by Eli. Not a single prospect will likely live up to his iron-man legacy. I'm not even going to acknowledge the Oakland game last year. Eli is still the iron-man (with and asterisk). Look around the league, nearly every QB has missed a game or more due to injury. It will likely continue regardless of which prospect we end up drafting.
I'm not sure what results you're referring to? UCLA has a awful defense that gave up nearly 300 rush ypg and 35 ppg
How many football games are you gonna win when your D gives up nearly 300 rush yards?
The team is 1-6 without him .. they're a bad football team
What was Eli's college record? What big games did Ole Miss win in the SEC with Eli? Expectations should be with in reason
Just a example but when I watch the Southern Cal game I saw Rosen as the better Qb that lost to a better team
Rosen does check off way more boxes than Sanchez, who hardly checked off any, and somehow Jets got bamboozled into drafting him high. But there's also a chance Rosen will get dumped by Eva Longoria because he sucks causing him to buttfumble.
There are three distinguishing similarities with Rosen and Sanchez: they are right-handed, played in the PAC-12, and their last names are two syllables.
In other words, they are not similar at all as prospects.
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and will displace Eli this summer...
You mean displace him like water in his hot tub?
um...yeah?
Finally, all QBs are subject to injury. It is the rare bird that has a starting streak like Eli or Brett Favre -- and Favre was addicted to painkillers to make it happen. To discount Rosen bc you are afraid of injury is to suggest that you should be watching games of bridge, not football.
USC game was really similar. USC should've won that game by a lot more than they did. I think Rosen was sacked 4 times by half and Darnold hadn't been touched. But he kept them in the game the whole time. They just came up short.
It just reminds me so much of Eli and how he carried Ole Miss.
I agree with this, though they had some decent offensive weapons, that game, and the A@M game in 2016 was also extremely impressive the way he brought his team back into that game against a much more difficult a@m defense, and in a hostile environment. They didn’t get the W, but that game spoke volumes about Rosen.
Wait - you haven't noticed all of the prolific franchise QBs that last decade from Alabama and Ohio State?
I like Rosen's skill set but his injuries and experts opinions of him being like Jay Cutler is a downer.
We have a head coach who is supposed to be a quarterback guru so I am fine with whoever he believes is the best fit for the Giants IF we go qb.
Well the only college QB that picked his team up consistently was Mayfield. Certainly not Darnold nor Allen. I know nothing about scouting QBs, but I can look at a group of players and pick out who seems to be the best, and Rosen looks the best.
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Could not agree more.
And with all that being said Josh is still a 60% passer.
So easy to bash people on here without pointing out a game I should look at or some plays. I am asking what am I missing? I stated what I see. Receivers making adjustments more than I like to see. I don't see perfectly thrown balls with laser guided accuracy. I see an average QB that gets streaky. Maybe he is a lot like Eli in the way he plays. He sure as hell won't be as durable.
SO he has over a 60% completion rate yet for a portion of those throws you saw receivers making adjustments more than any other? Did you see every one of his throws vs the others you saw each and every one of their trows too?
The point is I doubt your expertise. I'm going with the stats.
1-- Thus it seems to me his 60%+ accuracy is real.
2-- He has a strong arm.
3-- He's comfortable in the pocket.
4-- His hand size is decent. The takeaway is that he doesn't have small hands.
5-- His team was awful without him. I think they were 1-7?
Finally, all QBs are subject to injury. It is the rare bird that has a starting streak like Eli or Brett Favre -- and Favre was addicted to painkillers to make it happen. To discount Rosen bc you are afraid of injury is to suggest that you should be watching games of bridge, not football.
Agreed with all points but that Oklahoma comment. Mayfield was the best college quarterback last year. He was more accurate than Rosen. Neither guy was winning that team a championship because their defense was atrocious. Clearly based off this post (and others, i’ll admit the guy is my draft crush) i really like Mayfield...that said, if Rosen can stay healthy i see him being phenomenal. Mayfield’s cockiness and Rosen’s personality are not concerns provided they play well. Plenty of assholes play quarterback, but if you ball and you win no one says a word.
He's easy on the eyes in the pocket, I think that's also misleading to some when you watch him.
We shall see. I don't think the Giants pick him.
He's easy on the eyes in the pocket, I think that's also misleading to some when you watch him.
We shall see. I don't think the Giants pick him.
Truth. His frame was bigger than expected at the combine. He is bigger than Darnold(surprised). I agree about the medicals. I managed a 3 physician practice for 11 years. IDGAF about our opinion of his medicala. We collectively do not know shit. If the Giants' doctors give him a pass after reviewing his medicals, I am good. None of us have actually seen his medicals nor do we have the expertise to evaluate them properly.
But we do know Rosen’s had multiple concussions - right? And in this day and age that’s a problem. The degree to which it’s a problem we don’t know. But you’d better be a sure as you can be because that would be a big miss on an investment designed to last for at least ten years.
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Truth. His frame was bigger than expected at the combine. He is bigger than Darnold(surprised). I agree about the medicals. I managed a 3 physician practice for 11 years. IDGAF about our opinion of his medicala. We collectively do not know shit. If the Giants' doctors give him a pass after reviewing his medicals, I am good. None of us have actually seen his medicals nor do we have the expertise to evaluate them properly.
But we do know Rosen’s had multiple concussions - right? And in this day and age that’s a problem. The degree to which it’s a problem we don’t know. But you’d better be a sure as you can be because that would be a big miss on an investment designed to last for at least ten years.
I'm not one to swear by the talking heads, but none of the professionals seem remotely as concerned as the people here about his concussions. You get a full medical workup as part of the draft process, and nothing, not even rumors of questions about his health came from it. His intelligence as a 'negative' has been a far more talked about issue.