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Andrew Luck yet to pick up 'The Duke', begin throwing

ZogZerg : 4/9/2018 3:39 pm
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the goal is to be ready for training camp "without a governor on," Luck added, meaning full participation with no limitations.


I'd be a little worried if I were a Colts fan.



Andrew Luck yet to pick up 'The Duke', begin throwing - ( New Window )
This is what you have to be careful of if you draft Josh Rosen.  
Brown Recluse : 4/9/2018 3:44 pm : link
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RE: This is what you have to be careful of if you draft Josh Rosen.  
ZogZerg : 4/9/2018 3:45 pm : link
In comment 13906785 Brown Recluse said:
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No worries. We have Webb to back him up!
Brown Recluse, no offense,  
Keith : 4/9/2018 3:45 pm : link
but that's so beyond reality. Luck had major shoulder reconstruction. A torn labrum in a throwing shoulder is about as major as it gets(I've had 2). You are comparing that to a minor soft tissue injury. It's not even remotely in the same conversation other than it's the same body part.
Webb managed to dislocate his left shoulder, requiring surgery  
shyster : 4/9/2018 3:57 pm : link
on a play where he was tackled from the right side.

Apparently happened when he put his hand down to the turf to brace his fall.

Guess Webb is just one of those brittle guys you can't depend on for the long term.

As for Luck, if Indy were still sitting in the #3 spot, I'd take his delayed return more seriously. Fact that Colts traded down shows they are confident in medical opinion for Luck's comeback and just being cautious.
Down goes Webb - ( New Window )
I'm not quite ready for the football to be called "the duke" again  
Heisenberg : 4/9/2018 4:00 pm : link
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RE: Brown Recluse, no offense,  
Brown Recluse : 4/9/2018 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13906790 Keith said:
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but that's so beyond reality. Luck had major shoulder reconstruction. A torn labrum in a throwing shoulder is about as major as it gets(I've had 2). You are comparing that to a minor soft tissue injury. It's not even remotely in the same conversation other than it's the same body part.


I wasn't comparing their injuries at all.
makes you start to wonder if Colts  
Andy in Boston : 4/9/2018 4:04 pm : link
will look at QB.
RE: I'm not quite ready for the football to be called  
ATL_Giants : 4/9/2018 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13906806 Heisenberg said:
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yeah, I still visualize a turd for some reason.
RE: makes you start to wonder if Colts  
Rover : 4/9/2018 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13906810 Andy in Boston said:
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will look at QB.

1. Then why deal the 3rd overall pick?
2. Maybe this is why McDaniels said no?
Eli is the exception  
Metnut : 4/9/2018 4:27 pm : link
when it comes to durability. Not typical.
RE: I'm not quite ready for the football to be called  
djm : 4/9/2018 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13906806 Heisenberg said:
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“He” ruined this for everyone. I agree...not ready.
RE: This is what you have to be careful of if you draft Josh Rosen.  
Mr. Bungle : 4/9/2018 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13906785 Brown Recluse said:
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That's incorrect.
From what I understand, Rosen's injury was to the AC Joint ...  
Boy Cord : 4/9/2018 4:35 pm : link
... (Acromio Clavicular Joint). Here is my layman's understanding. I'm not sure everyone realizes the shoulder is comprised of two joints.

The one most people think of is the 'ball-and-socket' joint where the ball of the humerus is held in the shoulder cavity by the rotator cuff muscles. This is what is injured when people refer to a dislocated shoulder.

The AC Joint is where the Acromion and the Clavicle meet. This is where Eli hurt his throwing shoulder in 2007. The AC Joint is held together by three ligaments. This is what is injured when people refer to a separated shoulder.

Not all sprains are equal. An AC Joint sprain is rated as a 1, 2, or 3 with 3 being a complete tear of all three ligaments. In the vast majority of cases of non-athletes, there is no need to repair a 3rd-degree separation. The joint will restore virtually all of its strength and flexibility and the only issue will be cosmetic, albeit minor.

Luck's injury is completely different from Rosen's. Luck is obviously in deep shit with his injury. Rosen's is close to a non-event.
When was the last time Luck even threw a football?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/9/2018 4:37 pm : link
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No one said anything about Rosen and Lucks injuries having anything to  
Brown Recluse : 4/9/2018 4:42 pm : link
do with the other.

It was in reference to the Colts having drafted a franchise QB and potentially losing him at the young age of 28.

Granted, completely different injury situations, and injuries can happen to anyone. But "injury prone" players obviously get hurt more, hence the label. I'd rather not take any extra chances in feeling this way over the next 6 years or so.
The Josh McDaniels thing ...  
FStubbs : 4/9/2018 4:43 pm : link
... I'm convinced at this point he was unsure about Luck but willing to take the Colts job because they had the #3 pick, until he was told at the last minute that there was a mandate from ownership to push all their chips in on Luck. It may have come up in a conversation he had about the upcoming QBs. Then he reneged.
RE: No one said anything about Rosen and Lucks injuries having anything to  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/9/2018 4:45 pm : link
In comment 13906878 Brown Recluse said:
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Granted, completely different injury situations, and injuries can happen to anyone.


Oh.
RE: From what I understand, Rosen's injury was to the AC Joint ...  
FStubbs : 4/9/2018 4:45 pm : link
In comment 13906868 Boy Cord said:
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... (Acromio Clavicular Joint). Here is my layman's understanding. I'm not sure everyone realizes the shoulder is comprised of two joints.

The one most people think of is the 'ball-and-socket' joint where the ball of the humerus is held in the shoulder cavity by the rotator cuff muscles. This is what is injured when people refer to a dislocated shoulder.

The AC Joint is where the Acromion and the Clavicle meet. This is where Eli hurt his throwing shoulder in 2007. The AC Joint is held together by three ligaments. This is what is injured when people refer to a separated shoulder.

Not all sprains are equal. An AC Joint sprain is rated as a 1, 2, or 3 with 3 being a complete tear of all three ligaments. In the vast majority of cases of non-athletes, there is no need to repair a 3rd-degree separation. The joint will restore virtually all of its strength and flexibility and the only issue will be cosmetic, albeit minor.

Luck's injury is completely different from Rosen's. Luck is obviously in deep shit with his injury. Rosen's is close to a non-event.


At this point the over under on games started by Rosen in 2018 has to be higher than Luck.
RE: I'm not quite ready for the football to be called  
eric2425ny : 4/9/2018 5:26 pm : link
In comment 13906806 Heisenberg said:
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I think “the duke”, short for dookie was a code name for his offense, otherwise known as pure shit.
RE: Eli is the exception  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/9/2018 5:52 pm : link
In comment 13906850 Metnut said:
[quotke] when it comes to durability. Not typical. [/quote]

Eli made me forget what its like to worry about your qb taking a bone crunching hit and Ryan Nassib or Geno Smith leading your team.


RE: makes you start to wonder if Colts  
DonQuixote : 4/9/2018 6:17 pm : link
In comment 13906810 Andy in Boston said:
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will look at QB.


I have been thinking that all along. At their spot they might just pull the trigger ... depends on how things play out ... I could see that reasoning.
RE: RE: makes you start to wonder if Colts  
GFAN52 : 4/9/2018 6:25 pm : link
In comment 13907006 DonQuixote said:
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will look at QB.



I have been thinking that all along. At their spot they might just pull the trigger ... depends on how things play out ... I could see that reasoning.


They shouldn't have made the Jets trade if they want a better shot at a QB now.
RE: RE: RE: makes you start to wonder if Colts  
DonQuixote : 4/9/2018 6:42 pm : link
In comment 13907011 GFAN52 said:
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In comment 13907006 DonQuixote said:


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will look at QB.



I have been thinking that all along. At their spot they might just pull the trigger ... depends on how things play out ... I could see that reasoning.



They shouldn't have made the Jets trade if they want a better shot at a QB now.


good point.
RE: I'm not quite ready for the football to be called  
Mike from SI : 4/9/2018 6:56 pm : link
In comment 13906806 Heisenberg said:
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Yeah can we nix that forever?
RE: RE: makes you start to wonder if Colts  
old man : 4/9/2018 8:02 pm : link
In comment 13906848 Rover said:
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will look at QB.


1. Then why deal the 3rd overall pick?
2. Maybe this is why McDaniels said no?


I think they are waiting out AL until he recovers fully, or toast, and, needing SO much, will ride Brissett, tank for
'19 top 10 draft spots , build Reichs system, then plug in AL or a rookie/FA QB.
Jacoby Brissett can play  
Go Terps : 4/9/2018 8:11 pm : link
He's not Luck, but a good team can win with Brissett at quarterback. His problem is that he's on the Colts. Though maybe the old Terp Frank Reich can turn things around there.
Luck  
WillVAB : 4/9/2018 10:15 pm : link
Is gonna have the arm strength of Chad Pennington.
Go Terps  
RD in CT : 4/9/2018 11:19 pm : link
You are really pushing your angle on winning teams and how they’re constructed. At this point the only QB that can win is a scrambling QB? Jacoby fucking Brissett? Really? The posts are almost beyond Miltons obsession with Rosen
RE: Go Terps  
chopperhatch : 4/10/2018 12:43 am : link
In comment 13907300 RD in CT said:
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You are really pushing your angle on winning teams and how they’re constructed. At this point the only QB that can win is a scrambling QB? Jacoby fucking Brissett? Really? The posts are almost beyond Miltons obsession with Rosen


Its mind blowing what this place does to those who were solid posters over the years.

Yes, Jacoby Brissett and Lamar fucking Jackson at 2 overall. Not to mention trade ODB for a ham sandwich and a bag of footballs. We'll be the BC of pro football.
Wow  
Go Terps : 4/10/2018 1:02 am : link
Who knew a post complimenting Jacoby Brissett would bring out that type of response. Better to have once been a solid poster than to never have been one, I suppose.
It's possible  
fkap : 4/10/2018 8:21 am : link
that the Colts are in a situation where a QB pick at #3 is a complete vote of no confidence in Luck and creates a shitshow. It's possible they weren't all that enamored with the top candidates.

But they could be considering a back up plan of taking one of the second tier QB's who present better value, less controversy with Luck, and more flexibility on how things can work out whether Luck returns to form or not. possible starter if Luck doesn't come back, quality backup (or trade bait) if he does.

considering a QB doesn't have to be an all or nothing situation.
There's no such thing as a....  
Britt in VA : 4/10/2018 8:52 am : link
"sure fire, first ballot HOF lock coming out of the draft", no matter what you might believe.

And that was said about Luck ad nausium on BBI for a year or three.

Too many variables.
Generational talent....  
Britt in VA : 4/10/2018 8:58 am : link
HOF lock
(Insert whatever tag you've been putting on prospects here)

It's all bullsh-t, and there are no sure things.

And it wasn't just Luck's injury, either. He was struggling before that.

Yeah, I know his team sucks, but that's what happens. Perfect example of how a "sure fire HOF lock" can't just elevate a sh-tty team all by himself.

Learn from it.
Luck was as close to a sure thing as there is/was.  
Britt in VA : 4/10/2018 8:59 am : link
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Britt  
UConn4523 : 4/10/2018 9:04 am : link
of course here’s always the injury concern, I think that’s buolt into the “HoF” predicitions. Not sure why people don’t realize that.

And the start to Lucks career was among the best ever in the history of the game. His bounce back season in 2016 was fantastic, and with a dogshit team.

So yeah, I don’t agree with you.
Jacoby Brisset support from Terps is hilarious  
UConn4523 : 4/10/2018 9:08 am : link
if any other GM drafted Brisset I’m guessing his Jen would be different. But, it’s a Belichick pick so now we get the usual Belichick love.

Sure, you may have a shot of winning with Brisset if the team he’s on is absolutely stacked everywhere else. But good luck building that team.
Brissett..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/10/2018 9:14 am : link
is the exact type of QB that puts you in "QB Hell".

Not really good enough to be a starter but forced to be.

I have trouble buying in to Terps's scheme to minimize the QB position and take a next man up approach with a cost-controlled priority seeing that this formula really hasn't worked successfully for any franchise.
RE: Brissett..  
FStubbs : 4/10/2018 11:57 am : link
In comment 13907467 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is the exact type of QB that puts you in "QB Hell".

Not really good enough to be a starter but forced to be.

I have trouble buying in to Terps's scheme to minimize the QB position and take a next man up approach with a cost-controlled priority seeing that this formula really hasn't worked successfully for any franchise.


I always thought QB hell was more Kerry Collins. A Qb good enough to keep you mediocre.
What's starting to get hilarious  
Go Terps : 4/10/2018 12:10 pm : link
is the same four or five people following me around.

I'm not sure where I said Brissett is Aaron Rodgers. I said he can play and a good team can win with him, but the Colts blow. Pretty innocuous comment, it seems to me.
I didn’t follow you  
UConn4523 : 4/10/2018 12:20 pm : link
I read the thread yesterday and initially responded to Britt. I then saw that there was more activity I missed and I saw your post and responded to it. Pretty simple concept, actually.
Good things don't happen to the Colts  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/10/2018 12:25 pm : link
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