Have You Changed Your Mind About Which Player You Want @ 2?

no, Darnold. Wait, Rosen. Definitely Rosen. Scratch that, Mayfield. Nope, gotta be Darnold.

In comment 13907777 Bleedblue10 said:

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And not regret it forever. Especially since the Jets will def pounce and we’d have to watch him turn their franchise completely around. This should be the easiest pick in the draft and I’m praying the FO sees it that way

I'm not trying to call you out, or suggest I don't like Rosen, but just asking because you have such a strong preference.

If all the QBs were on the board when the Giants picked, and they go with Darnold, Allen or Mayfield, do you really think they did a worse job evaluating their options that you did?

In comment 13907627 Beer Man said:

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I'm open to a number of options

Too funny! Probably describes majority of BBIers!

Rosen is the best QB in this draft.
If not cleared medically, I would choose Barkley.

First off, its important for me to once again point out that I am in no way qualified to speak about any individual player. I don't watch enough college football for each player and I am not privvy to enough information to really justify an opinion.

Now that thats settled.....I have always been firmly on the QB bandwagon for the sole reason that I think Eli is clearly on the back 9 and just about every other team thinks these QB's are worthy of a first round pick. Therefore, I have always thought that it's QB or bust.

I have eased up a little bit on that. I am strongly anti-RB at #2, that hasn't changed, but I understand that Barkley is a fantastic prospect that can help OBJ and the passing game. If there was a way for us to drop back and accumulate some prime picks and then take Barkley, I'd be ok with it. I still really hope we love one of the QB's though.

In comment 13907801 M.S. said:

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In comment 13907627 Beer Man said: Quote: I'm open to a number of options Too funny! Probably describes majority of BBIers!

Yep, I'm not so enamored with any one player that I sleep with his picture under my pillow and will go ape-shit if he is not selected by the team. There are a number of blue chippers that I would be happy with, and I'd also be happy with the right trade back. For those that have decided that it has to be this guy or that guy, be prepared to be disappointed.

Rosen or Darnold. Prefer Rosen!

as I'm sure the Giants front office has. You test out scenario's and think about fits.

The constant has been my belief in Darnold. He's younger by years then Wentz and Eli coming out, and he played on a not so great team.

Lot's of good options if Darnold isn't available. I've vacillated between Rosen and Barkley at #2. I've thought about Josh Allen at #4/5 on a trade down. Lot's of things make sense, but I'm leaning towards QB.

If gone, then I take Rosen with his caveats. If his injury history and interviews check out. If they don't, I sell the pick and trade down with an eye on Barkley and Allen. IF both of those guys are gone with #4 or #5 then I go Chubb.

So many options, all good. I want to maximize value and take the best player. All said and done I will be happy with Darnold, Rosen, or Barkley... and I've flip flopped for sure on the order.

Mayfield on here because of the height we might all come to regret that

I always have liked Josh Rosen but moved him up in front of Mayfield

I’m also sold on Barkley because of bbi.......

but was always in the QB camp...

Darnold
Rosen
Allen
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Nelson
Chubb
...
Minkah Fitzpatrick
Barkley

(yeah, I don't want a RB early).

I want Barkley.

But now in the Barkley, Chubb or trade down group.

best football players in the draft are Barkley and Nelson...either one works for me. Who knows when this team will this team have a chance to draft one of the top 2 players in a draft. You can't pass up talent like Barkley or Nelson out of fear.

I believe that 3 qbs will go in the top 5, and that at 5 or 6, the Giants could be confident of getting Barkely, Chubb or
Nelson, plus more picks and a better salary cap situation. Any trade down now would have to be in two steps, and those rarely work. So, I'm back to Darnold or Rosen, assuming the Giants' management isn't comfortable with Webb, who they intend to work out before the draft.

The injury history scared me off. Then I was hell bent on Barkley, but not sure I can pull trigger on RB in this spot...now something inside me is telling that Mayfield is going to be the best of the group. Don't care about his antics or attitude, he's a child, he'll mature mentally, and I really like his competitive fire. btw, I don't feel the same about OBJ, he's not going to change, too much "Dig me" to go along with his unbelievable talent.

that I don't know WTF I'm talking about, and neither do most of you.

That said, I would like to see Gettleman trade back, stockpile picks, and then take Nelson or Mayfield if they are still on the board.

But that's just me spouting an armchair opinion. All I know for sure if that more picks would give us more chances to get lucky.

to the point where no matter who we pick, I'll probably be both happy and disappointed: "Yay, we got _______! But I kinda wish we got ______."

Darnold, Rosen, Nelson, Barkley, Chubb, even Fitzpatrick or Vea... I'd have that simultaneous excited-yet-disappointed feeling with any of them.

I'm not fond of the QB's except maybe Mayfield. I like Nelson but you can still get your self a nice guard in the 2nd rd. Remember defense is what won the Eagles the Super bowl, same with the Giants Super Bowls against the Pats.

what exactly do you say to those that claim it's a bad value pick given that it's not as valuable of a position and this is an extremely deep RB class?

I know the whole, "but he's a generational talent""I can picture him in a a gold jacket" shtick. But like, what is the counter to the statement above?

In comment 13907917 manh george said:

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I believe that 3 qbs will go in the top 5, and that at 5 or 6, the Giants could be confident of getting Barkely, Chubb or Nelson, plus more picks and a better salary cap situation. Any trade down now would have to be in two steps, and those rarely work. So, I'm back to Darnold or Rosen, assuming the Giants' management isn't comfortable with Webb, who they intend to work out before the draft.

Denver not wanting a QB could be smoke. I don't think Keenum is a sure bet outside of Shurmer's O.

Still want Barkley. But I won't be upset with any pick. I simply prefer to take a player who can help now, instead of 2-3 years down the road at 2. But if it's a QB, or Nelson, or Chubb, etc..., so be it.

In comment 13907964 LI NHB said:

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what exactly do you say to those that claim it's a bad value pick given that it's not as valuable of a position and this is an extremely deep RB class? I know the whole, "but he's a generational talent""I can picture him in a a gold jacket" shtick. But like, what is the counter to the statement above?

The RB class is deep, but when you get a chance to take a player with enough talent to build a team around... and the floor on that player is pretty high, you mitigate risk and instantly get a team identity.

The "enough talent to build a team around".. is indicative of a player your fairly certain will be a talent on par with Adrian Peterson. I don't know any other back in the draft that can make that claim. Lot's of second round guys that can start, but not guys you build your team around.

Initially I wanted Lamar Jackson, then I found out his mom was his agent. Fuck that. Despite that, his stock seems to be rising...Greg Cosell has a good piece about him here and Mike Lombardi said last week that his stock is rising particularly with the Patriots getting the first rounder for Cooks.

If Jackson grows up and gets away from his mother then I still think he's the best quarterback in this class. But making big decisions based on "ifs" is stupid, so my pick would be Darnold.

In comment 13908034 Go Terps said:

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Initially I wanted Lamar Jackson, then I found out his mom was his agent. Fuck that. Despite that, his stock seems to be rising...Greg Cosell has a good piece about him here and Mike Lombardi said last week that his stock is rising particularly with the Patriots getting the first rounder for Cooks. If Jackson grows up and gets away from his mother then I still think he's the best quarterback in this class. But making big decisions based on "ifs" is stupid, so my pick would be Darnold.

What are you doing if Darnold goes 1? Would you trade down to 5-6 range?

In comment 13908043 Sean said:

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In comment 13908034 Go Terps said: Quote: Initially I wanted Lamar Jackson, then I found out his mom was his agent. Fuck that. Despite that, his stock seems to be rising...Greg Cosell has a good piece about him here and Mike Lombardi said last week that his stock is rising particularly with the Patriots getting the first rounder for Cooks. If Jackson grows up and gets away from his mother then I still think he's the best quarterback in this class. But making big decisions based on "ifs" is stupid, so my pick would be Darnold. What are you doing if Darnold goes 1? Would you trade down to 5-6 range?

Probably. Then at that point I'd possibly try to trade down again and target Vea, Connor Williams, or possibly even Lamar Jackson if the front office feels comfortable with him (which I doubt).

I'm not sure there are as many blue chip prospects in this draft as are advertised...or if there are any at all.

In comment 13907964 LI NHB said:

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what exactly do you say to those that claim it's a bad value pick given that it's not as valuable of a position and this is an extremely deep RB class? I know the whole, "but he's a generational talent""I can picture him in a a gold jacket" shtick. But like, what is the counter to the statement above?

If I were the Giants, and he checks out to be a 230 lb Jerry Rice, take him, he's a match up nightmare. I go he had butterfingers like Brandon Marshall, we definitely don't take him at 2.

ok, maybe 3 times

First, I was all in for Mayfield. Then Rosen. Now, I could live with Darnold as well.

Any of the 3 would work for me. We have a 37 year old QB, and we have a rare chance to pick 2nd.

Take the QB, I've been pretty consistent on that.

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In comment 13907714 kes722 said:

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The naritive on his is ridiculous. His PARENTS are rich so he doesnt need to play and will lack desire. If the Giants worried about stupid shit like this we never would have drafted Eli...his parents were rich too..

The Manning’s made their name in Football. You can’t compare the two. This feels like all those people that scoffed at a scout that knocked Apple because he couldn’t cook without understanding what the underlying message was, that he wasn’t mature and relied upon mommy for everything. The Rosen thing all ties back into “How long is he going to want to play?” You want to spend the #2 pick on a guy that might be out of the NFL in 5-6 years which maybe 2 of which would be spent on the bench behind Eli? Everyone here would absolutely LOSE IT.

since before the combine its been darnold or barkley for me.

okay with rosen(concerned about injuries)

okay with nelson in a trade back

But after reading BBI and looking into him more, Barkley has grown on me. But I’m open to quite a few players actually after really only wanting Darnold.

for team.

if they decide QB, I hope the right one and would lean to this thinking long term and not playing the "journey qb" to fill the need.

Barkley, Chubb, Nelson, Darnold or whomever needs to be a hit pick. won't know about them after given some time.

...and thatcontinues. I will say that Mayfield has closed the gap and is my clear #2 choice now.

but I'm more open to drafting a QB (especially if it's Rosen) than I was earlier in the process. At first it was Barkley or bust for me... but I've grown to be more than ok with the idea of picking up Rosen at #2 if we don't go with Barkley for whatever reason.

So for me it's...

Barkley - the guy I REALLY want badly

Rosen - if we don't go Barkley, the only other player I'd be happy with

Darnold - this would be a 'shrug the shoulders pick'. I'm not a big fan of the guy based on the little bit I've seen of him (a game or two and Youtube highlights)

Mayfield - this pick would make me slightly more angrier than the Darnold pick because I just don't like this guy as a person and I think it'd be a little too high

Nelson - see Mayfield above but without the 'don't like him as a person' aspect

Allen - now I'd start really getting disappointed BUT, as I've said before, IF the Giants want to stick with Eli for another year or two, this guy might make the most sense... still don't want him though

Chubb - really not interested in him at #2 and would be fairly disappointed if we took him there... but would understand the need and reasoning behind it

Rarely do I get 'throw the remote' pissed off because I just trust that the team knows better than I do. I really don't see how they can mess this pick up... even if they took my least favorite player (Chubb).

Sam or Saquon.

Barkley is still the guy!

but I never thought he would actually get past Cleveland. Where I've changed my opinion is I was 100% against drafting a running back a few months ago and now I will be happy with any one of Darnold, Barkley, or Rosen.

I still want and think they'll draft a QB.

If they don't I've changed my mind from wanting Barkley to Chubb.

Need a Qb.

that: "if not for the concussions, Rosen would be the slam-dunk #1 pick". I propose that his concussions should not be the deciding factor. If you just take his tape compared with all the other players we have talked about, the decision should be clear.

But I keep going back to rosen or Barkley or Chubb. I think rosen is going to make a lot of people look foolish when all is said n done. He screams paralysis by analysis to me. The last time I said that about a player was Terrell Suggs.

to thinking about Eli and Tiki Barber and thought Barkley might be able to make Eli a better QB for the time he has left. I still would prefer a trade down and the multiple options it could create. I don't want a QB mainly because I never want a QB. I leave that to the Giants to figure out and if they really like a QB and take him, I will be happy with that.

I know...you were waiting for my annual "Give Me _____ or Give Me Death!" thread. Well, sorry to disappoint you. Not this year.

position that they shouldn't waste it on one pick no matter who it is, the Giants need a lot more talented players and the best way to get them is trade down for more picks.....

In comment 13908034 Go Terps said:

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Initially I wanted Lamar Jackson, then I found out his mom was his agent. Fuck that.

Good, and interesting, point. Is Flowers' dad still his agent? What makes parents think they can run a multi-million dollar organization better than a professional?

would be happy with rosen, darnold, allen, or barkley at #2. love nelson but at #5 or #6.

I watch clips of us from last year and yearn for a new franchise QB. Then I want Barkley and his video game moves, then Chubb, then I hop for a trade down and a Vitae Via and Tremaine Edmunds or Fitzpatrick or..it literally never stops.

I want Barkley because he's the best talent and that makes him the most impactful toward winning, and, thus, the best value.

If the Browns take Barkley at #1, then I am okay with Darnold as the next best value.

All of that calculus include both talent and position.

Pretty much liked Darnold from the go but didn’t (and don’t) think he’s available after the 1. Figured I’d go Barks, then thought about Chubby and now I’m thinking JR.

Still waiting for Gettleman to call and ask for my final input on the matter.