In the last two months or so BBI has had hundreds of threads about which player the Giants should draft.
Whether they want Barkley, one of the QBs, Nelson or Chubb, many posters (myself included) have stated their player preference over and over again on numerous threads, trying to convince other posters of the merits of selecting a particular player.
It’s exciting that the Giants have the 2nd overall pick and I enjoy reading the BBI draft threads, but it got me thinking…
Has anyone actually changed their mind about which player the Giants should select at 2 as a result of reading BBI draft threads?
What say you?
Now? I don’t want to be in QB hell for years to come...
Give me Josh Rosen! Build the OLine in the 2nd round...
Its only worked for me one time.. I wanted either Eli or BigBen.. I got Phillip Rivers...
Then the trade happened..
I was firmly in the Rosen camp back in the late fall/early winter. I have since then been enamored with Barkley. I realize the unique opportunity to acquire a QB without giving up future draft assets and go back to drafting Rosen. I would say today, I'm in the Rosen/Barkley camp equally with a slight preference for a qb.
Nothing against the other top guys but I put them on the same level behind Darnold. the other Qbs, Barkley,Chubb,Nelson and Fitzpatrick Would be happy with any of them and would rather pick from that lot between 5 and 8 and add resources
I have been a huge Barkley supporter
...Josh Rosen.
If they don't feel that way, then I'm good with any of Rosen/Darnold/Mayfield. Whichever they feel is the best fit.
If Cleveland takes him and the next guy is on a second row I hope they get a kick-ass offer to trade out of #2.
same
In a weird way, I look at last season as a blessing to be able to grab Darnold (or Rosen).
As long as we take one of them, we're going to have a Favre to Rodgers type of scenario (not saying either will def be as good as rodgers, but we will potentially have 25+ years of franchise QB play).
The QB I really want is Mayfield but no way the Giants and their history draft Mayfield. I am not at all for Barkley. Good player but at a position where guys like him get injured way too often and easily. Plus, he is no power back. If he gets banged up his main attribute is out the window.
I do NOT want Rosen at all. I would love Nelson but would have to move down for him. Chubb to me makes no sense with the switch to a 3-4 though he has the skills to make that switch.
So #2 options for me:
Darnold
Mayfield
Nelson
If they don't like a QB I hope it is Barkley because I think he is a transformational player as a runner and a receiver. I think he is one of those guys that could make everyone around him better by drawing so much defensive focus.
If they trade down, I just hope it is not out of the top 6. To me it seems the talent drops off considerably after that point and I don't think quantity of picks makes up for quality.
That said, BBI has made me more comfortable with Barkley. I still think it'd be a mistake, but I wouldn't hate it.
If not, then trade down to no later than pick 5 or 6....and grab one of Nelson or Chubb.
My sense is they like Darnold, but if Cleveland picks him then move to plan B.
Now, I know drafting Rosen is the move to make.
DG, please don't pass on the best pure passing QB prospect to come out since Andrew Luck.
However I’d now also accept Chubb or Allen.
I don't buy the red flags thing. Almost every QB ever drafted had red flags. Couple that with the fact that RBs have shorter careers and a good one could be drafted in the 2nd rd, etc. Nothing against Webb, let him compete in a year or 2 with Darnold or whoever is drafted and trade the non-starter.
My feelings now are basically, I'm trusting DG and Shurmer to make the best decision. If it's Barkley, great. If they trade down a little and take Chubb, fine.
Hopefully Eli has another really good year or 2 in him, we compete and it would great if he went out on top. If we go non QB, hope Webb is the guy and we don't end up in QB hell.
His PARENTS are rich so he doesnt need to play and will lack desire. If the Giants worried about stupid shit like this we never would have drafted Eli...his parents were rich too..
Keep in mind, I AM the MUSH of the NFL Draft.
I wanted George Rogers. I wanted Sean Taylor. I LOVED Dave Brown, Ron Dayne and the rest of the bad 1st round RB picks of the last generation.
C'MON, DARNOLD!!!
2. Trade down and target Nelson/Fitz or Vea further down
3. Draft Barkley
1a. Darnold (only because of Rosen's concussions)
1b. Rosen (assuming he's cleared medically)
2. Trade down and hopefully grab Lamar Jackson
If Darnold goes to Cleveland at 1, then I want Barkley at 2.
Prefer to add Barkley to the offense this year
If they don't like a QB I hope it is Barkley because I think he is a transformational player as a runner and a receiver. I think he is one of those guys that could make everyone around him better by drawing so much defensive focus.
If they trade down, I just hope it is not out of the top 6. To me it seems the talent drops off considerably after that point and I don't think quantity of picks makes up for quality.
Exactly how I feel. I have a preference of Darnold, but really whoever they take I am going to trust our braintrust to get the right guy.
I'm not trying to call you out, or suggest I don't like Rosen, but just asking because you have such a strong preference.
If all the QBs were on the board when the Giants picked, and they go with Darnold, Allen or Mayfield, do you really think they did a worse job evaluating their options that you did?
Too funny! Probably describes majority of BBIers!
If not cleared medically, I would choose Barkley.
Now that thats settled.....I have always been firmly on the QB bandwagon for the sole reason that I think Eli is clearly on the back 9 and just about every other team thinks these QB's are worthy of a first round pick. Therefore, I have always thought that it's QB or bust.
I have eased up a little bit on that. I am strongly anti-RB at #2, that hasn't changed, but I understand that Barkley is a fantastic prospect that can help OBJ and the passing game. If there was a way for us to drop back and accumulate some prime picks and then take Barkley, I'd be ok with it. I still really hope we love one of the QB's though.
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I'm open to a number of options
Too funny! Probably describes majority of BBIers!
The constant has been my belief in Darnold. He's younger by years then Wentz and Eli coming out, and he played on a not so great team.
Lot's of good options if Darnold isn't available. I've vacillated between Rosen and Barkley at #2. I've thought about Josh Allen at #4/5 on a trade down. Lot's of things make sense, but I'm leaning towards QB.
If gone, then I take Rosen with his caveats. If his injury history and interviews check out. If they don't, I sell the pick and trade down with an eye on Barkley and Allen. IF both of those guys are gone with #4 or #5 then I go Chubb.
So many options, all good. I want to maximize value and take the best player. All said and done I will be happy with Darnold, Rosen, or Barkley... and I've flip flopped for sure on the order.
I always have liked Josh Rosen but moved him up in front of Mayfield
I’m also sold on Barkley because of bbi.......
Darnold
Rosen
Allen
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Nelson
Chubb
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Minkah Fitzpatrick
Barkley
(yeah, I don't want a RB early).
Nelson, plus more picks and a better salary cap situation. Any trade down now would have to be in two steps, and those rarely work. So, I'm back to Darnold or Rosen, assuming the Giants' management isn't comfortable with Webb, who they intend to work out before the draft.
That said, I would like to see Gettleman trade back, stockpile picks, and then take Nelson or Mayfield if they are still on the board.
But that's just me spouting an armchair opinion. All I know for sure if that more picks would give us more chances to get lucky.
Darnold, Rosen, Nelson, Barkley, Chubb, even Fitzpatrick or Vea... I'd have that simultaneous excited-yet-disappointed feeling with any of them.
I know the whole, "but he's a generational talent""I can picture him in a a gold jacket" shtick. But like, what is the counter to the statement above?
Nelson, plus more picks and a better salary cap situation. Any trade down now would have to be in two steps, and those rarely work. So, I'm back to Darnold or Rosen, assuming the Giants' management isn't comfortable with Webb, who they intend to work out before the draft.
Denver not wanting a QB could be smoke. I don't think Keenum is a sure bet outside of Shurmer's O.
I know the whole, "but he's a generational talent""I can picture him in a a gold jacket" shtick. But like, what is the counter to the statement above?
The RB class is deep, but when you get a chance to take a player with enough talent to build a team around... and the floor on that player is pretty high, you mitigate risk and instantly get a team identity.
The "enough talent to build a team around".. is indicative of a player your fairly certain will be a talent on par with Adrian Peterson. I don't know any other back in the draft that can make that claim. Lot's of second round guys that can start, but not guys you build your team around.
If Jackson grows up and gets away from his mother then I still think he's the best quarterback in this class. But making big decisions based on "ifs" is stupid, so my pick would be Darnold.
If Jackson grows up and gets away from his mother then I still think he's the best quarterback in this class. But making big decisions based on "ifs" is stupid, so my pick would be Darnold.
What are you doing if Darnold goes 1? Would you trade down to 5-6 range?
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Initially I wanted Lamar Jackson, then I found out his mom was his agent. Fuck that. Despite that, his stock seems to be rising...Greg Cosell has a good piece about him here and Mike Lombardi said last week that his stock is rising particularly with the Patriots getting the first rounder for Cooks.
If Jackson grows up and gets away from his mother then I still think he's the best quarterback in this class. But making big decisions based on "ifs" is stupid, so my pick would be Darnold.
What are you doing if Darnold goes 1? Would you trade down to 5-6 range?
Probably. Then at that point I'd possibly try to trade down again and target Vea, Connor Williams, or possibly even Lamar Jackson if the front office feels comfortable with him (which I doubt).
I'm not sure there are as many blue chip prospects in this draft as are advertised...or if there are any at all.
I know the whole, "but he's a generational talent""I can picture him in a a gold jacket" shtick. But like, what is the counter to the statement above?
If I were the Giants, and he checks out to be a 230 lb Jerry Rice, take him, he's a match up nightmare. I go he had butterfingers like Brandon Marshall, we definitely don't take him at 2.
Any of the 3 would work for me. We have a 37 year old QB, and we have a rare chance to pick 2nd.
Take the QB, I've been pretty consistent on that.
His PARENTS are rich so he doesnt need to play and will lack desire. If the Giants worried about stupid shit like this we never would have drafted Eli...his parents were rich too..
okay with rosen(concerned about injuries)
okay with nelson in a trade back
if they decide QB, I hope the right one and would lean to this thinking long term and not playing the "journey qb" to fill the need.
Barkley, Chubb, Nelson, Darnold or whomever needs to be a hit pick. won't know about them after given some time.
So for me it's...
Barkley - the guy I REALLY want badly
Rosen - if we don't go Barkley, the only other player I'd be happy with
Darnold - this would be a 'shrug the shoulders pick'. I'm not a big fan of the guy based on the little bit I've seen of him (a game or two and Youtube highlights)
Mayfield - this pick would make me slightly more angrier than the Darnold pick because I just don't like this guy as a person and I think it'd be a little too high
Nelson - see Mayfield above but without the 'don't like him as a person' aspect
Allen - now I'd start really getting disappointed BUT, as I've said before, IF the Giants want to stick with Eli for another year or two, this guy might make the most sense... still don't want him though
Chubb - really not interested in him at #2 and would be fairly disappointed if we took him there... but would understand the need and reasoning behind it
Rarely do I get 'throw the remote' pissed off because I just trust that the team knows better than I do. I really don't see how they can mess this pick up... even if they took my least favorite player (Chubb).
If they don't I've changed my mind from wanting Barkley to Chubb.
Good, and interesting, point. Is Flowers' dad still his agent? What makes parents think they can run a multi-million dollar organization better than a professional?
If the Browns take Barkley at #1, then I am okay with Darnold as the next best value.
All of that calculus include both talent and position.
Still waiting for Gettleman to call and ask for my final input on the matter.