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djstat : 4/10/2018 11:59 am
In the last decade or so, has any high drafted pass rusher lived up to the hype? Clowney? Not yet. Garret? Too early? Even Julius Peppers I never felt was worth his draft pick. I like Chubb but not at 2. Thoughts on pass rushers drafted top 5?
Khalil Mack?  
Brown Recluse : 4/10/2018 12:05 pm : link
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Von Miller  
Kevin in Annapolis : 4/10/2018 12:06 pm : link
Joey Bosa
Von Miller  
Mike from SI : 4/10/2018 12:07 pm : link
won the Super Bowl MVP, didn't he?
Peppers is #4  
Kevin in Annapolis : 4/10/2018 12:07 pm : link
on the all time sack list. LOL
Garrett was awesome when he took the field  
giants#1 : 4/10/2018 12:08 pm : link
9 starts (11 games total): 7 sacks, 1 FF, 1 FR, 1 PD

Bosa had 10.5 sacks in 12 games his rookie season and followed that up with 12.5 sacks and 4 FFs last season.

How did Peppers not live up to the hype? He's 4th all time in sacks and a first ballot HOF. And was excellent against the run as well. I haven't reviewed the entire 2002 draft, but the only player even close to him was Ed Reed. Those 2 are far and away the best players in that class and none of the other top 10 picks even come close.

Clowney's been derailed by injuries and not quite the pass rusher he was billed as (though great 2-way player), but Khalil Mack (5th overall) has been great rushing the pass rusher. 40.5 sacks through 4 seasons, including 3 straight with 10+. Also 9 FFs and 11 PDs in his career.


Clowney,  
Kevin in Annapolis : 4/10/2018 12:09 pm : link
when healthy, can dominate games.
Yeah,  
Doomster : 4/10/2018 12:12 pm : link
I'd hate to draft a DE that even at the age of 38 gets 11 sacks.....
The thing about Clowney is,  
Doomster : 4/10/2018 12:13 pm : link
when he plays, he looks like he is protecting his legs.....
more  
giants#1 : 4/10/2018 12:14 pm : link
Suh and McCoy aren't edge rushers, but they're as good as it gets from an interior pass rush outside of Donald. Arguably the 2 best players selected in the first round of the 2010 draft (other notables: Berry, JPP, Dez, Demaryius Thomas).

Going back to 2006, Mario Williams is still a top 3-5 pick in that draft. I don't think he's HOF material, but finished with just shy of 100 career sacks.
Watt went 11 overall (first edge rusher off the board)  
figgy2989 : 4/10/2018 12:14 pm : link
Iím pretty sure he has lived up to expectations. 3x NFL Defensive MVP, 4x All-Pro and Pro Bowl.
So I think it's safe to say  
Mike from SI : 4/10/2018 12:15 pm : link
the OP did pretty much 0 research, huh.
RE: Watt went 11 overall (first edge rusher off the board)  
giants#1 : 4/10/2018 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13907820 figgy2989 said:
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Iím pretty sure he has lived up to expectations. 3x NFL Defensive MVP, 4x All-Pro and Pro Bowl.


Von Miller went 2nd overall.
RE: So I think it's safe to say  
giants#1 : 4/10/2018 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13907821 Mike from SI said:
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the OP did pretty much 0 research, huh.


To be fair, if he feels Peppers wasn't worth the pick, no amount of research was going to help his case!
a few  
blueblood : 4/10/2018 12:17 pm : link
Mack, Miller, Chandler Jones, Cam Jordan.. all dominant pass rushers.. Joey Bosa and Melvin Ingram are a heck of a duo..
forgot  
blueblood : 4/10/2018 12:18 pm : link
JJ Watt
Peppers was a freaking Terror  
ATL_Giants : 4/10/2018 12:19 pm : link
at his peak
RE: RE: Watt went 11 overall (first edge rusher off the board)  
figgy2989 : 4/10/2018 12:20 pm : link
In comment 13907823 giants#1 said:
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In comment 13907820 figgy2989 said:


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Iím pretty sure he has lived up to expectations. 3x NFL Defensive MVP, 4x All-Pro and Pro Bowl.



Von Miller went 2nd overall.


I stand corrected...
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Toth029 : 4/10/2018 12:25 pm : link
Julius Peppers is going to be a goddam Hall of Famer. Stop this.
It isn't often  
Mike from Ohio : 4/10/2018 12:32 pm : link
you see a thread starter so convincingly and unanimously proven incorrect in 30 minutes. Nice work, BBI!
Julius Peppers not worth his pick? OK.  
Knee of Theismann : 4/10/2018 12:36 pm : link
Not only is he #4 on the all-time sack list but he was also awesome defending the run. He also somehow had 11 interceptions. 49 forced fumbles. 9x pro bowler. "NFL 2000s All Decade Team". Perhaps the best athlete of all time of any player 280+ lbs.

Delete this thread just for that statement.
While all those guys did well  
Gman11 : 4/10/2018 12:37 pm : link
What do Bosa, Peppers, Mack, Garrett, Clowney, etc. have in common? They did not elevate their team to championship status. Von Miller is the lone exception.

So, if you're trying to decide between Chubb and either a QB or Barkley, I'd take my chances with the QB or RB.
Time out....  
Keith : 4/10/2018 12:37 pm : link
Are you really trying to suggest that Peppers didn't live up to the hype?? Am I reading that right? Cmon man.
RE: While all those guys did well  
Keith : 4/10/2018 12:39 pm : link
In comment 13907863 Gman11 said:
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What do Bosa, Peppers, Mack, Garrett, Clowney, etc. have in common? They did not elevate their team to championship status. Von Miller is the lone exception.

So, if you're trying to decide between Chubb and either a QB or Barkley, I'd take my chances with the QB or RB.


Wow, there is so much wrong with this. First off, we won 2 SB's because of our beastly Dline. Secondly, outside of QB, no one position elevates a team to champtionship status. Lastly, please name all of the RB's that elevated their teams to championship status.
RE: While all those guys did well  
Knee of Theismann : 4/10/2018 12:42 pm : link
In comment 13907863 Gman11 said:
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What do Bosa, Peppers, Mack, Garrett, Clowney, etc. have in common? They did not elevate their team to championship status. Von Miller is the lone exception.

So, if you're trying to decide between Chubb and either a QB or Barkley, I'd take my chances with the QB or RB.


QB is the only position that can single-handedly raise a team to championship status and there are maybe 3-4 QBs in history that could do that. You're saying that one of the QBs in this class is guaranteed to join those select few?
RE: RE: While all those guys did well  
giants#1 : 4/10/2018 12:44 pm : link
In comment 13907869 Keith said:
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What do Bosa, Peppers, Mack, Garrett, Clowney, etc. have in common? They did not elevate their team to championship status. Von Miller is the lone exception.

So, if you're trying to decide between Chubb and either a QB or Barkley, I'd take my chances with the QB or RB.



Wow, there is so much wrong with this. First off, we won 2 SB's because of our beastly Dline. Secondly, outside of QB, no one position elevates a team to champtionship status. Lastly, please name all of the RB's that elevated their teams to championship status.


And 2 more in large part thanks to this edge rusher named LT. Wonder if some of these posters ever heard of him!
I'm surprised no one mentioned Chris Long  
mofti : 4/10/2018 12:44 pm : link
He was solid player who produced good numbers, but he did not live up to his draft slot at #2.

Great example of a player you take from the 5-10 range, but not in the top 3
RE: RE: While all those guys did well  
giants#1 : 4/10/2018 12:47 pm : link
In comment 13907869 Keith said:
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In comment 13907863 Gman11 said:


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What do Bosa, Peppers, Mack, Garrett, Clowney, etc. have in common? They did not elevate their team to championship status. Von Miller is the lone exception.

So, if you're trying to decide between Chubb and either a QB or Barkley, I'd take my chances with the QB or RB.



Wow, there is so much wrong with this. First off, we won 2 SB's because of our beastly Dline. Secondly, outside of QB, no one position elevates a team to champtionship status. Lastly, please name all of the RB's that elevated their teams to championship status.


The Ravens D (rightfully) gets all the credit, but Jamal Lewis was damn good for them that year.

Faulk was the engine of the Rams SB team.

Not that it has relevance in today's game, but you could argue Emmitt was more critical than Aikman.
RE: RE: RE: While all those guys did well  
Kevin in Annapolis : 4/10/2018 12:53 pm : link
In comment 13907888 giants#1 said:
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In comment 13907869 Keith said:
The Ravens D (rightfully) gets all the credit, but Jamal Lewis was damn good for them that year.

Faulk was the engine of the Rams SB team.

Not that it has relevance in today's game, but you could argue Emmitt was more critical than Aikman.


Lynch played a huge part for Seattle as well.
RE: RE: RE: RE: While all those guys did well  
giants#1 : 4/10/2018 12:54 pm : link
In comment 13907895 Kevin in Annapolis said:
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In comment 13907869 Keith said:
The Ravens D (rightfully) gets all the credit, but Jamal Lewis was damn good for them that year.

Faulk was the engine of the Rams SB team.

Not that it has relevance in today's game, but you could argue Emmitt was more critical than Aikman.



Lynch played a huge part for Seattle as well.


Should've been 2 titles!
RE: RE: While all those guys did well  
Gman11 : 4/10/2018 1:48 pm : link
In comment 13907869 Keith said:
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In comment 13907863 Gman11 said:


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What do Bosa, Peppers, Mack, Garrett, Clowney, etc. have in common? They did not elevate their team to championship status. Von Miller is the lone exception.

So, if you're trying to decide between Chubb and either a QB or Barkley, I'd take my chances with the QB or RB.



Wow, there is so much wrong with this. First off, we won 2 SB's because of our beastly Dline. Secondly, outside of QB, no one position elevates a team to champtionship status. Lastly, please name all of the RB's that elevated their teams to championship status.


They had the DLine previously. Strahan was with the team a long time before the 2017 season. What was the big difference between the previous teams and that one? QB
Once upon a time there was an edge rusher named Lawrence Taylor...  
the mike : 4/10/2018 1:57 pm : link
Yada yada yada...this thread makes no sense.
RE: RE: While all those guys did well  
GiantGrit : 4/10/2018 2:07 pm : link
In comment 13907876 Knee of Theismann said:
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What do Bosa, Peppers, Mack, Garrett, Clowney, etc. have in common? They did not elevate their team to championship status. Von Miller is the lone exception.

So, if you're trying to decide between Chubb and either a QB or Barkley, I'd take my chances with the QB or RB.



QB is the only position that can single-handedly raise a team to championship status and there are maybe 3-4 QBs in history that could do that. You're saying that one of the QBs in this class is guaranteed to join those select few?


Respectfully disagree, football is not about one player. You can have 10 studs but if # 11 is a huge mismatch problem you can lose. Too many guys on the field at once for just one to elevate a team to championship status.
Julius Peppers is prob the best DE we've seen  
DennyInDenville : 4/10/2018 2:10 pm : link
In the 21st century ..

Maybe he doesn't dominate the Giants but just look at his career numbers, they are outstanding. He's a first ballot HOFer.
I agree with the OP..  
chuckydee9 : 4/10/2018 3:17 pm : link
come to think of it even guys like Bruce Smith and Reggie White never accomplished anything..
Add...  
BleedingBlue2 : 4/10/2018 7:43 pm : link
Terrell Suggs to the list of high drafted DE that wreaked havoc and was worth it
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