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NFT: Mets at Marlins Game 2. Mets go for seven in a row!

ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 5:44 pm
Mets Lineup

Michael Conforto – RF
Yoenis Cespedes – LF
Wilmer Flores – 1B
Todd Frazier – 3B
Asdrubal Cabrera – 2B
Kevin Plawecki – C
Juan Lagares – CF
Jacob deGrom – P
Amed Rosario – SS

Marlins Lineup

Derek Dietrich – LF
Miguel Rojas – SS
Starlin Castro – 2B
Justin Bour – 1B
Brian Anderson – 3B
Lewis Brinson – CF
Braxton Lee – RF
Bryan Holaday – C
Caleb Smith – P

Nimmo demoted. Oswalt up. Hopefully, temporarily.
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some good juju with this team  
Eric on Li : 4/10/2018 10:11 pm : link
kind of amazing to see this kind of start without any of the starters even pitching that well.
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ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 10:12 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 10:15 pm : link
9-1 baby!  
spike : 4/10/2018 10:19 pm : link
Flores needs to play more!

This team is stacked! The starters have to go deeper though.

GO Wheels!
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arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 10:29 pm : link
Pretty cool to hear Mickey say that he's been asking Ces repeatedly if he needs a day and Ces doesn't want to sit. Guy is a gamer.
best 10 game start  
pjcas18 : 4/10/2018 10:31 pm : link
in Mets history
Ces needs to sit once in a while to stay healthy!  
spike : 4/10/2018 10:32 pm : link
No more chronic nagging injuries.

Let Bruce play!
Pretty much universally assumed that this team would need  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/10/2018 10:33 pm : link
Thor and Jake to dominate for us to have any chance, and that still may play out over the long haul, but right now if our starter keeps us close, this team is winning the game.

Great start. Feels good.
Still feel like we aren't scratching the surface  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 10:40 pm : link
Thor/deGrom have been a little off. Matz/Harvey seem to be up and down and working on things but better overall than last year obviously. The hitters have been mostly cold outsid eof maybe Cabrera/Bruce. So much ceiling yet untapped. I want Swarzak back because I feel with him, Ramos, Lugo, Gsellman, and Familia we can seriously just KO teams once we have the lead. We are winning no with guys like Robles, and Rhame. Clearly B options.
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arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 10:41 pm : link
Any idea when we'll see Swarz back?
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arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 10:41 pm : link
(I haven't really been following the timetables since he got hurt)
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ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 10:43 pm : link
In comment 13908791 arcarsenal said:
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Any idea when we'll see Swarz back?


They shut him down to rest it for a while. So far he has not been cleared to begin throwing again from what I've heard. Hopefully, they are about to start him up again soon.
Also they slowed Vargas's timetable down as well  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 10:43 pm : link
Im guessing we see Wheeler for at least 2 starts but we'll see.
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arcarsenal : 4/10/2018 10:46 pm : link
Hopefully it won't linger too long. If he comes back and pitches like he did last year, this pen is going to be very good.
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ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 10:47 pm : link
In comment 13908801 arcarsenal said:
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Hopefully it won't linger too long. If he comes back and pitches like he did last year, this pen is going to be very good.


He was pretty lights out the first couple of games this year. You could tell his stuff was nasty and Mickey was going to be leaning on him big time. Sucks he's out but hey... we are 9-1.
Wow.  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 10:56 pm : link
Oswalt down for Wheeler. Talk about a short stay.
Cespedes is 2 for his last 22  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 10:57 pm : link
and both of his hits have been game winners.
Rest ces tomorrow  
spike : 4/10/2018 11:46 pm : link
And start Bruce
RE: Rest ces tomorrow  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2018 11:58 pm : link
In comment 13908828 spike said:
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And start Bruce


Its another lefty starter so I doubt it. Lagares and Flores will be in again. Ces likely as well.
Nobody wants to rest  
Vanzetti : 4/11/2018 1:37 am : link
When you are 9-1
Fell asleep early and they held on to win  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/11/2018 2:40 am : link
What a difference this year.
Amazing!  
Sean : 4/11/2018 5:49 am : link
The starters haven’t even hit their stride yet.
Callaway  
spike : 4/11/2018 6:41 am : link
Is much better than the rigid Collins
Playing devil's advocate  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 7:15 am : link
No one has an issue with Calloway not sitting ces when he wants to bc the player 'wants to play' while sick and slumping?
It’s a long season  
Shecky : 4/11/2018 7:22 am : link
And this is Ces team, not Mickeys yet.
He just won over his players even more, while allowing Ces to earn more respect in the clubhouse. When people have questioned his dedication.

It’s not like he will further injure his flu and risk being out a month...
RE: Wow.  
Rory : 4/11/2018 8:02 am : link
In comment 13908810 ZGiants98 said:
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Oswalt down for Wheeler. Talk about a short stay.


Validates sending Nimmo down even more.
RE: Still feel like we aren't scratching the surface  
Rory : 4/11/2018 8:05 am : link
In comment 13908790 ZGiants98 said:
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Thor/deGrom have been a little off. Matz/Harvey seem to be up and down and working on things but better overall than last year obviously. The hitters have been mostly cold outsid eof maybe Cabrera/Bruce. So much ceiling yet untapped. I want Swarzak back because I feel with him, Ramos, Lugo, Gsellman, and Familia we can seriously just KO teams once we have the lead. We are winning no with guys like Robles, and Rhame. Clearly B options.


totally agree but honestly, Robles has been lights out and has already proven he can overcome a mistake or 2. I wouldnt mess with that just yet.

Rhame handled Sunday night pretty well IMO

Let Swarzak heal and go through the proper motions.
RE: Playing devil's advocate  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/11/2018 8:29 am : link
In comment 13908895 JayBinQueens said:
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No one has an issue with Calloway not sitting ces when he wants to bc the player 'wants to play' while sick and slumping?


Not really. He did have a big hit the night before and also some big hits the series before. It's not like he was hurting the team. He just wasn't playing his best.
RE: Playing devil's advocate  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 8:51 am : link
In comment 13908895 JayBinQueens said:
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No one has an issue with Calloway not sitting ces when he wants to bc the player 'wants to play' while sick and slumping?


No, if you heard Mickey talk about it, his logic was fine - he asked Ces several times if he wanted a blow. Ces said no. He doesn't want to sit and he had enough conviction behind it that Mickey decided to let him play.

If Cespedes is vigilant about wanting to be out there, he should be. Even when he's sick and aching he's still capable of delivering a huge hit like he did last night (and against WSH)

He's still our best hitter. (Although I think Scooter will have something to say about that by year's end...)

If he says he can go, let him play.
Bruce reportedly took grounders  
Rory : 4/11/2018 10:02 am : link
at 1b last night in warm-ups.

My question is can Jay Bruce play firstbase effectively?
RE: Bruce reportedly took grounders  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 10:15 am : link
In comment 13909110 Rory said:
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at 1b last night in warm-ups.

My question is can Jay Bruce play firstbase effectively?

They were saying during the broadcast that the only reason he didn't take reps at 1b in the spring was because he had hurt his foot and they were just focusing on him getting healthy.
I think they'd like him to be able to play first but your question still stands; can he play it effectively
For your reading enjoyment  
feelflows : 4/11/2018 10:26 am : link
Regarding the Mets international signings from BA

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/2017-international-reviews-new-york-mets/?amphtml&__twitter_impression=true
RE: It’s a long season  
Dr. D : 4/11/2018 10:42 am : link
In comment 13908898 Shecky said:
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And this is Ces team, not Mickeys yet.
He just won over his players even more, while allowing Ces to earn more respect in the clubhouse. When people have questioned his dedication.

It’s not like he will further injure his flu and risk being out a month...

That's a pretty good explanation.
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 10:47 am : link
It's really just a good reflection on Cespedes if nothing else. He made it clear that it's important to him to be out there for his team. Gotta love that.
this is a team that is very easy to root for  
Dr. D : 4/11/2018 11:07 am : link
of course winning helps, but the way they fight back, don't make excuses, etc.
Who plays 2B when Cabrera needs a day?  
Chris684 : 4/11/2018 11:41 am : link
I'm assuming Reyes?

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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 11:43 am : link
Wilmer
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JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13909279 arcarsenal said:
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Wilmer


Over Reyes?
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 12:39 pm : link
In comment 13909371 JayBinQueens said:
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In comment 13909279 arcarsenal said:


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Wilmer



Over Reyes?


1000% yes.

Reyes' defense has degraded quite a bit. He's really not much better defensively (if at all) than Wilmer at this point. I'd trust Reyes over Wilmer @ SS only from an experience standpoint.

But Wilmer has played like 90 career games @ 2B. He has plenty of experience there and is a much, much better hitter.

The tradeoff of having Wilmer's bat for the negligible difference in defense makes it a no-brainer.

Reyes might be finished. He looks close.
The Reyes stuff bothers me...  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 12:51 pm : link
(Not based on anything said here). I just feel like people can’t wait to kill him. He’s had 11 plate appearances this year. He was basically a starter last year and he was ice cold the first three weeks but after that he went right back to his career averages offensively from that point until the rest of the year. He ended up a 2fWAR player.

Obviously, getting so few chances he might never get really “going” this year but isn’t he still miles better than a Chris Woodward type in reserve?
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 12:56 pm : link
I still like Jose - I think he's good to have on the bench for now.

But he's 35 years old. He's clearly nowhere near the player he used to be.

People here would really prefer him playing 2B over Wilmer? I think that's crazy. Wilmer is a much better player right now.
Btw for those that don’t know there is seriously  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 12:56 pm : link
Some guy off his meds that despises Reyes. He calls him the “virus”. He calls into talk radio stations and disguises who he is. Once the host catches on they end the call but not before him blasting Reyes the virus. It’s actually quite funny. He posts and gets banned on popular Mets sites and has gotten national recognition with most of the beats. I haven’t seen it discussed here but it’s quite comical.
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ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 12:58 pm : link
In comment 13909406 arcarsenal said:
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I still like Jose - I think he's good to have on the bench for now.

But he's 35 years old. He's clearly nowhere near the player he used to be.

People here would really prefer him playing 2B over Wilmer? I think that's crazy. Wilmer is a much better player right now.


No I like Wilmer more too. Just saying for a 25th man that can still run he offers value. He’s better than guys like Miguel Cairo or whoever else we’ve had in that spot.
The guy legit believes he derailed the Marlins  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 1:00 pm : link
And Blue Jays chances just from being on their teams and infected our clubhouse last year. Lol
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 1:00 pm : link
Yeah, absolutely - I'm not saying run Reyes off the team. But it's possible he may be finished sooner than later. He's getting up there.

I'd still give him at least 2-3 months before I even considered trying to fill his spot with someone else.

I think there's added benefit in that he and Rosario are attached at the hip. He seems to be a good mentor for Amed. They're best buddies - so it's good having Jose around.
RE: The Reyes stuff bothers me...  
DanMetroMan : 4/11/2018 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13909399 ZGiants98 said:
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(Not based on anything said here). I just feel like people can’t wait to kill him. He’s had 11 plate appearances this year. He was basically a starter last year and he was ice cold the first three weeks but after that he went right back to his career averages offensively from that point until the rest of the year. He ended up a 2fWAR player.

Obviously, getting so few chances he might never get really “going” this year but isn’t he still miles better than a Chris Woodward type in reserve?



.174 in March/April, .216 in May, .213 in June (75 games) . It was more than a rough "3 weeks". He did finish strong but he was awful for an entire half.
RE: RE: The Reyes stuff bothers me...  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13909423 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13909399 ZGiants98 said:


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(Not based on anything said here). I just feel like people can’t wait to kill him. He’s had 11 plate appearances this year. He was basically a starter last year and he was ice cold the first three weeks but after that he went right back to his career averages offensively from that point until the rest of the year. He ended up a 2fWAR player.

Obviously, getting so few chances he might never get really “going” this year but isn’t he still miles better than a Chris Woodward type in reserve?




.174 in March/April, .216 in May, .213 in June (75 games) . It was more than a rough "3 weeks". He did finish strong but he was awful for an entire half.


His month splits don’t work for me because he had a few hot and cold spells that went over month periods so it’s not a clean break monthly. If you simply remove his first three weeks in April where he was brutal he hit over league average for the season which is right around career averages. It’s really not worth arguing about though as that’s clearly not my point. If anything proving that Reyes took even longer to get it going enhances my point that Reyes should get more rope.
Personally I think  
Metnut : 4/11/2018 1:20 pm : link
the team shouldn't have brought back Reyes. What he did to his wife was disgusting and I wish the Mets took the high road and refused to associate with him.

I'm not going to bring it up a million times all season on BBI and make the threads toxic, so don't worry about that, but that might be the reason why a lot of people dislike Reyes. My sister had a 41 game plan for 5 years running and cancelled once they got Reyes and won't renew until he's gone. I doubt she's the only one.
Gavin Cecchini  
Metnut : 4/11/2018 1:26 pm : link
and TJ Rivera are both logical candidates at first glance to replace Reyes at some point this season but I guess neither one of them can really play SS, and you need a backup there, so maybe he stays all year. We did go to the world series with flores playing at SS, but it looks like the organization has decided (probably rightfully so) that he's not an option there, even in a backup capacity.
Mets were looking to  
Rory : 4/11/2018 1:30 pm : link
for a player-coach who was from the previous 2006 playoff regime who would symbolize the transition to the new regime, a role that Wright was given but could not achieve because of injuries.

Reyes signing with the Marlins really hurt the fanbase and this was an attempt to make up for it.

I like Reyes as a utility guy especially in helping mentoring Rosario. Its a good fit

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