...several questions/issues come to mind:
(1) By not trading the #2 selection, the Giants make it that much harder to re-stock their O-line with multiple premium picks. Will we be throwing Eli back out there with an improved (but hardly ready-for-primetime) O-line?
(2) In other words, will the Giants get the most out of Eli while his successor (Rosen, Darnold or someone else) is groomed on the sidelines?
(3) If the Giants goal is to win-with-Eli, does that increase the odds the Giants would want to trade out of #2 in order to pick up several premium picks for the O-line?
(4) Bottom line: Are the Giants facing the irreconcilable goals of both finding Eli's eventual successor and also winning now with Eli?
(5) Or, does "winning now" really mean: (a) let's find Eli's successor pronto; and (b) let Eli start because at least we should be "respectable" and certainly better than 3-13?
M.S. : 4/9/2018 8:47 am
...do you agree/disagree with?
(1) No NFL QB (including Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers) could have done very much with the Giants offense last season, and -- at best -- they may have led the Giants to only one or two additional victories;
(2) At some point in season (after a few heart-breaking early divisional losses and the loss of OBJ), Eli went into survival mode more so than in past seasons;
(3) Given the circumstances of the team in general and the offense in particular, Eli's performance really wasn't that bad at all given that he passed for nearly 3,500 yards and 19 TDs while passing at over a 60% completion rate;
(4) It just seemed that Eli couldn't (or wouldn't) go that extra mile to extend a play or maybe eke out an impossible first down or pull a rabbit out of his hat to win one or two more games;
(5) 2017 was an aberration for Eli, and with an improved front line and OBJ back at full health, we can expect much better football out of Eli in 2018.
Which statements do you agree/disagree with?
Thanks in advance.
fucking ponderous.
or both ponderous and repetitive?
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Which of these statements about Eli in 2017...
M.S. : 4/9/2018 8:47 am
...do you agree/disagree with?
(1) No NFL QB (including Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers) could have done very much with the Giants offense last season, and -- at best -- they may have led the Giants to only one or two additional victories;
(2) At some point in season (after a few heart-breaking early divisional losses and the loss of OBJ), Eli went into survival mode more so than in past seasons;
(3) Given the circumstances of the team in general and the offense in particular, Eli's performance really wasn't that bad at all given that he passed for nearly 3,500 yards and 19 TDs while passing at over a 60% completion rate;
(4) It just seemed that Eli couldn't (or wouldn't) go that extra mile to extend a play or maybe eke out an impossible first down or pull a rabbit out of his hat to win one or two more games;
(5) 2017 was an aberration for Eli, and with an improved front line and OBJ back at full health, we can expect much better football out of Eli in 2018.
Which statements do you agree/disagree with?
Thanks in advance.
fucking ponderous.
True, five questions in both posts, but they are different. You'll be able to discern that once you compare the two posts.
or both ponderous and repetitive?
Why chime in? The posts are different.
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not try and win one for the Gipper. Once you understand that all of these questions are answered.
Maybe it's merely a difference in philosophy, but I would gladly muck around for the subsequent 5 years if we could win the SB next year. I would not see it as winning it for the Gipper at all...unless you are euphemizing "Gipper" for "fans".
Yes, I think the Giants should not try and win Superbowls for their fans. That is exactly what was meant. Is this serious?
You don't draft to win a Championship short term unless you are truly a piece or two away. Nobody but the blindest homer could think this 3-13 team can add a couple of rookies and make a run at a Superbowl next year. You draft and develop talent for the future. If the timeline gets one for Eli, great. But that can't drive your draft strategy.
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not try and win one for the Gipper. Once you understand that all of these questions are answered.
Maybe it's merely a difference in philosophy, but I would gladly muck around for the subsequent 5 years if we could win the SB next year. I would not see it as winning it for the Gipper at all...unless you are euphemizing "Gipper" for "fans".
Yes, I think the Giants should not try and win Superbowls for their fans. That is exactly what was meant. Is this serious?
You don't draft to win a Championship short term unless you are truly a piece or two away. Nobody but the blindest homer could think this 3-13 team can add a couple of rookies and make a run at a Superbowl next year. You draft and develop talent for the future. If the timeline gets one for Eli, great. But that can't drive your draft strategy.
I would love a Championship next year just as much as any fan. But what I really want is a team that is in the mix each and every year because there is a solid foundation.
I would love a Championship next year just as much as any fan. But what I really want is a team that is in the mix each and every year because there is a solid foundation.
It doesn't really exist. Successful teams retool on the fly. In an age where health is a better determinant of success than draft history, that's the way it is. It is why half the playoff teams are different each year and that going from worst to first doesn't just happen once in awhile, it happens every year.
A team that "rebuilds" and essentially throws a year out the window has no guarantee that the following year will produce better results. Look at the Browns.
You take the QB.
Drafting for need and filling a hole might see more results short term, but I don't think you can solely look at the short term when your QB is 37 years old.
It is probably unrealistic to expect this team to get back to the promised land in the next 2 years.
It is probably unrealistic to expect Eli to be here more than 2 more years, and there is a decent chance this is his final year.
Take the QB if you think he is the real deal.
That said, if you don't see a franchise QB dont force it either.
It doesn't really exist. Successful teams retool on the fly. In an age where health is a better determinant of success than draft history, that's the way it is. It is why half the playoff teams are different each year and that going from worst to first doesn't just happen once in awhile, it happens every year.
A team that "rebuilds" and essentially throws a year out the window has no guarantee that the following year will produce better results. Look at the Browns.
Very good post. NFL is not the NBA where two top starters can basically make a team and it is also difficult to retain players in NFL. In all the other major sports, the CBA gives major advantages to retaining your own players. Not so in NFL where careers are shorter and injury much more prevalent. So it is harder to stock pile players for a rebuild
...for Right Guard and Right Tackle.
If not, the o-line will be a swinging gate into Eli's face with a solid hinge on the left.
Not fucking good.
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In your previous post, you just said you'd happily muck around for 5 years for a Championship next year. That sounds different to me than drafting the best players for long term. What you described sounds to me like a philosophy of going all in on high priced free agents and trading draft picks to make one run and then letting it all fall apart afterwards and mucking around before you would be in a position to make another run.
I would love a Championship next year just as much as any fan. But what I really want is a team that is in the mix each and every year because there is a solid foundation.
Not really. I think getting the best players now helps them to win a SB sooner than later. *And* they aren't going anywhere, even when the QB turns over. SO it's both maximizing our ability to win in the short-term and laying a foundation. But, even if they did all leave and we were not successful afterwards, I would take it. So, yeah, I likely would go the the George Allen over the hill gang route if it brought me a SB. In contrast, I take your post as tanking now just pot bring a new QB and, regardless of success or not in the future, we have a shiny thing.
No part of my post suggests tanking. I'm not sure where you read that. I am just talking about what to do from this point forward, not how they got here (or why you would want to be here).