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If Louis Riddick was GM the Giants pick is Chubb or Barkley

GFAN52 : 4/11/2018 10:27 am
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The closer we get to DD  
Mark from Jersey : 4/11/2018 10:41 am : link
The more I want Chubb. I feel we can get good value at RB in the later rounds and I donít love the QBs. DG says you canít be too cute here. If Chubb is there guy take him at 2.
I wouldn't mind Chubb, but I think he is a move down and get him guy  
Bill L : 4/11/2018 10:43 am : link
But that's okay. I disagree about the RB though. I think it's about differential. We could wait to get one, but at that point, there isn't much difference compared to what we have already. So to me, there's no value to it. With Barkley the margin of difference would be enormous.
As  
AcidTest : 4/11/2018 10:48 am : link
I've said, if they don't want a QB (and I don't), then trade down.

Extra picks + player after a trade down > than any non QB at #2.

I'd trade down, but stay in the top 10, and take Vea. Think about Harrison, Tomlinson, and Vea. Sick. Sick. Sick.
You can't be completely sure you can get Chubb if you move down  
Reb8thVA : 4/11/2018 10:51 am : link
unless you trade with Cleveland at 4 because the Browns could easily pick him at that point.
You CANNOT  
Pep22 : 4/11/2018 10:52 am : link
leave the 1st round of this draft without identifying the franchise QB.

Several reasons:

1 our QB is toast
2 the likelihood of finding a Russell Wilson or even a Dak Prescott in Rd2 and beyond is remote; furthermore, relying on FA to spend $20+mm is equally remote
3 the best way to build is to not spend $20mm+ on a QB that isn't top tier (we are doing this now and you can see how it hamstrings spending elsewhere)
4 how often do you get an opportunity to acquire a young, blue chip QB for a QB guru like Shurmur to develop (hopefully this is rare)
5 next year's QB draft crop is not good
RE: The closer we get to DD  
superspynyg : 4/11/2018 10:55 am : link
In comment 13909167 Mark from Jersey said:
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The more I want Chubb. I feel we can get good value at RB in the later rounds and I donít love the QBs. DG says you canít be too cute here. If Chubb is there guy take him at 2.



If Chubb is the pick...fine...great letís go get 10 sacks year one...but as we get closer I want Darnold or Barkley at 2.
Just a thought but maybe that's why he's not the GM..  
Peppers : 4/11/2018 10:57 am : link
A little off the track here but when did Josina Andersons insight/opinion become TV time worthy? When did she go from reporter to analysis..
Pep..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/11/2018 10:59 am : link
What if there isn't a franchise QB to be identified?

Take all of your points and magnify them by making a shitty pick on a failed QB.

There are definitely scenarios where not picking a QB isn't only advisable, it is the best move to make. Not thinking any of the top guys are going to be a franchise QB are one of them.

And looks like Dak Prescott has fooled another poster into thinking he's good.
I think sometimes people comment without actually watching  
mfsd : 4/11/2018 11:03 am : link
the linked clip. Riddick said IF you donít think any of th QBs are worth it, then you go Barkley or Chubb. Sounds like a pretty reasonable opinion to me.

Well  
Gman11 : 4/11/2018 11:05 am : link
Riddick isn't the GM, so his opinion is about as valid as the 8 million other opinions out there.
Chubb is not a 3-4 DL  
Vanzetti : 4/11/2018 11:09 am : link
Very unlikely that he is the pick
If the Giants go non-QB I would like to see a trade down.  
Boy Cord : 4/11/2018 11:10 am : link
Just not sure there will be any willing trade partners. The Browns could trade up to #2 to guarantee they get their top QB and top Non-QB. The Broncos could trade up to #2 to get a QB. The Colts aren't trading back up. #7-#10 would only trade up to the Giants for Barkley, IMO, but that is probably too costly.

The Bills at #12 could be the most eager trade partner but do the Giants want to move back that far? The only way I make this trade if I'm the Giants is for both Bills first rounders this year and their 2019 #1, and that's just the price to continue negotiating.


RE: You CANNOT  
bradshaw44 : 4/11/2018 11:11 am : link
In comment 13909193 Pep22 said:
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leave the 1st round of this draft without identifying the franchise QB.

Several reasons:

1 our QB is toast
2 the likelihood of finding a Russell Wilson or even a Dak Prescott in Rd2 and beyond is remote; furthermore, relying on FA to spend $20+mm is equally remote
3 the best way to build is to not spend $20mm+ on a QB that isn't top tier (we are doing this now and you can see how it hamstrings spending elsewhere)
4 how often do you get an opportunity to acquire a young, blue chip QB for a QB guru like Shurmur to develop (hopefully this is rare)
5 next year's QB draft crop is not good


You donít just pick a guy because he has QB next to his name. At 2 you want the BPA. If itís not qb so be it. I would be very happy with Chubb. Especially after reading Sys write up.
RE: Pep..  
clatterbuck : 4/11/2018 11:13 am : link
In comment 13909209 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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What if there isn't a franchise QB to be identified?

Take all of your points and magnify them by making a shitty pick on a failed QB.

There are definitely scenarios where not picking a QB isn't only advisable, it is the best move to make. Not thinking any of the top guys are going to be a franchise QB are one of them.

And looks like Dak Prescott has fooled another poster into thinking he's good.


Yes and yes.
RE: I think sometimes people comment without actually watching  
Peppers : 4/11/2018 11:16 am : link
In comment 13909214 mfsd said:
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the linked clip. Riddick said IF you donít think any of th QBs are worth it, then you go Barkley or Chubb. Sounds like a pretty reasonable opinion to me.


He followed with, "I personally am under the belief that they shouldn't take the QB here, that they should take Chubb, that they should take Saquon Barkley"
RE: If the Giants go non-QB I would like to see a trade down.  
bigbluescot : 4/11/2018 11:20 am : link
In comment 13909223 Boy Cord said:
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Just not sure there will be any willing trade partners. The Browns could trade up to #2 to guarantee they get their top QB and top Non-QB. The Broncos could trade up to #2 to get a QB. The Colts aren't trading back up. #7-#10 would only trade up to the Giants for Barkley, IMO, but that is probably too costly.

The Bills at #12 could be the most eager trade partner but do the Giants want to move back that far? The only way I make this trade if I'm the Giants is for both Bills first rounders this year and their 2019 #1, and that's just the price to continue negotiating.




Was listening to Matt Miller on Bleacher Report going through his draft rumors. He reckons the Bills are willing to offer their first six picks (2 1st round, 2 2nd round, 2 3rd rounds) to move to #2, although he says he's heard their initial offer would be their 2 1sts and 2 2nds.

While I'd rather not trade down to 12, and I get that it's really easy to overvalue quantity over quality. I'd probably take that, although a 1st next year would be appealing as with their trades and retirements the Bills could easily be picking 1st next year (although top 6 is probably more likely).

It would allow us to take care of the scheme change on defense (for my money we need a backup NT, more help at CB, help at free safety, ILB and probably two OLB's and we could do with another 3/4 DE), shore up the offensive line with interior help and a RT, and we could do with a new WR. In short, we've got a ton of holes.

You'd end up potentially with

1st: #12,#22
2nd: #34,#53,#56,
3rd: #65, #66, #69, #96
4th: #108
5th: #139

That's 9 picks in the top 100, and 6 in top 65.

While I'd take the QB if DG is convinced that it's the guy, I can't help but think that the above offers far more potential to transform the team than even Barkley or Chubb would offer.
Maybe that's why  
Keith : 4/11/2018 11:22 am : link
he's not our GM?
If they don't like the QBs  
Knee of Theismann : 4/11/2018 11:24 am : link
I'm all for trading back to #5 with the Broncos. My guess is Browns take Darnold, and Denver can't know whether Jets want Rosen or Allen (or Mayfield), so to get "their guy" they have to pay a king's ransom to leapfrog NYJ. If we want Chubb and Browns take Chubb at #4, so be it, take Barkley at #5. I think getting Barkley at #5 + a haul from Denver would be more than a successful use of that #2 pick even if we missed out on Chubb. Barkley is a damn nice consolation prize if you ask me.
I am not saying that Chubb is LT  
Rjanyg : 4/11/2018 11:24 am : link
But we have to understand 2 things: LT was a 4-3 DE at UNC.

And Chandler Jones and Kareem Martin Were both 4-3 DE's in college and Jones was one at NE before the trade. Betcher said while Jones is considered a OLB at AZ he didn't earn his paycheck dropping into the flat.

Bottom line: We sucked getting pressure last year. This part of the defense needs to improve if we are gonna compete.
RE: Pep..  
Jim in Tampa : 4/11/2018 11:30 am : link
In comment 13909209 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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What if there isn't a franchise QB to be identified?

Take all of your points and magnify them by making a shitty pick on a failed QB.

There are definitely scenarios where not picking a QB isn't only advisable, it is the best move to make. Not thinking any of the top guys are going to be a franchise QB are one of them.

And looks like Dak Prescott has fooled another poster into thinking he's good.


Why do people keep insinuating that the jury is still out on whether a "Franchise QB" will be available at 2?

The Browns at 1 and the Jets at 3 are almost guaranteed to be taking QBs.

The three top QBs could all be gone by the 3rd pick and definitely by pick 5.

Buffalo is (supposedly) trying to trade up to 2, 5 or 6 to take a QB.

Could any of these QBs be a bust? Absolutely! (Just like any player can.) But it appears the rest of the league thinks that there are "Franchise QBs" worthy of being taken at 2.
Pep  
jtgiants : 4/11/2018 11:35 am : link
You lost me at eli is toast. Its a false narrative
RE: I am not saying that Chubb is LT  
Brown Recluse : 4/11/2018 11:35 am : link
In comment 13909246 Rjanyg said:
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But we have to understand 2 things: LT was a 4-3 DE at UNC.

And Chandler Jones and Kareem Martin Were both 4-3 DE's in college and Jones was one at NE before the trade. Betcher said while Jones is considered a OLB at AZ he didn't earn his paycheck dropping into the flat.

Bottom line: We sucked getting pressure last year. This part of the defense needs to improve if we are gonna compete.


I agree. Chubb isn't as exciting as a QB or Barkley (or even Nelson in my opinion, but he really does fill a huge hole on the defense. Can't be upset if they choose him. It makes sense.
RE: RE: If the Giants go non-QB I would like to see a trade down.  
Boy Cord : 4/11/2018 11:36 am : link
In comment 13909241 bigbluescot said:
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In comment 13909223 Boy Cord said:


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Just not sure there will be any willing trade partners. The Browns could trade up to #2 to guarantee they get their top QB and top Non-QB. The Broncos could trade up to #2 to get a QB. The Colts aren't trading back up. #7-#10 would only trade up to the Giants for Barkley, IMO, but that is probably too costly.

The Bills at #12 could be the most eager trade partner but do the Giants want to move back that far? The only way I make this trade if I'm the Giants is for both Bills first rounders this year and their 2019 #1, and that's just the price to continue negotiating.






Was listening to Matt Miller on Bleacher Report going through his draft rumors. He reckons the Bills are willing to offer their first six picks (2 1st round, 2 2nd round, 2 3rd rounds) to move to #2, although he says he's heard their initial offer would be their 2 1sts and 2 2nds.

While I'd rather not trade down to 12, and I get that it's really easy to overvalue quantity over quality. I'd probably take that, although a 1st next year would be appealing as with their trades and retirements the Bills could easily be picking 1st next year (although top 6 is probably more likely).

It would allow us to take care of the scheme change on defense (for my money we need a backup NT, more help at CB, help at free safety, ILB and probably two OLB's and we could do with another 3/4 DE), shore up the offensive line with interior help and a RT, and we could do with a new WR. In short, we've got a ton of holes.

You'd end up potentially with

1st: #12,#22
2nd: #34,#53,#56,
3rd: #65, #66, #69, #96
4th: #108
5th: #139

That's 9 picks in the top 100, and 6 in top 65.

While I'd take the QB if DG is convinced that it's the guy, I can't help but think that the above offers far more potential to transform the team than even Barkley or Chubb would offer.


That level of picks could transform the team and will make BBI explode. I prefer the next yearís #1 because it positions the Giants to make a splash next and and the Bills could easily suck.
RE: Chubb is not a 3-4 DL  
LI NHB : 4/11/2018 11:44 am : link
In comment 13909222 Vanzetti said:
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Very unlikely that he is the pick


People really need to get over this scheme fit thing. He's played as a stand up end before and Bettcher is planning to use multiple looks. AND NFL defenses are in the Nickel more often then not anyway.

Chubb could very well be in play at 2 and it would make this team better.
Good thing hes not GM  
Rflairr : 4/11/2018 11:44 am : link
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RE: Pep..  
Pep22 : 4/11/2018 11:59 am : link
In comment 13909209 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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What if there isn't a franchise QB to be identified?

Take all of your points and magnify them by making a shitty pick on a failed QB.

There are definitely scenarios where not picking a QB isn't only advisable, it is the best move to make. Not thinking any of the top guys are going to be a franchise QB are one of them.

And looks like Dak Prescott has fooled another poster into thinking he's good.


I don't think Prescott is that good. But he is better than what is typically available beyond RD1.

I do think this QB class has plenty to choose from at 2.
RE: Pep  
Pep22 : 4/11/2018 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13909258 jtgiants said:
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You lost me at eli is toast. Its a false narrative


I know it pains Eli sentimentalists to state what is obvious.
RE: RE: I think sometimes people comment without actually watching  
mfsd : 4/11/2018 12:02 pm : link
In comment 13909234 Peppers said:
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In comment 13909214 mfsd said:


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the linked clip. Riddick said IF you donít think any of th QBs are worth it, then you go Barkley or Chubb. Sounds like a pretty reasonable opinion to me.




He followed with, "I personally am under the belief that they shouldn't take the QB here, that they should take Chubb, that they should take Saquon Barkley"


I wasnít replying to you specifically, just in general, the knee jerk reaction seemed to be to mock his opinion bc itís different than what a lot of people think here.

I agree with you re Josina.
RE: Pep..  
Victor in CT : 4/11/2018 12:39 pm : link
In comment 13909209 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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What if there isn't a franchise QB to be identified?

Take all of your points and magnify them by making a shitty pick on a failed QB.

There are definitely scenarios where not picking a QB isn't only advisable, it is the best move to make. Not thinking any of the top guys are going to be a franchise QB are one of them.

And looks like Dak Prescott has fooled another poster into thinking he's good.


well put!
Posters forget  
mrvax : 4/11/2018 12:52 pm : link
that Chubb may not be a good fit in our new defense.
I agree with Riddick  
BigBlue1013 : 4/11/2018 1:18 pm : link
If the Giants don't like any QB then take Chubb or Barkley or Trade down for Nelson.

I think the Giants only like Sam Darnold at QB so if Darnold goes 1 to Cleveland then Bradley Chubb will be the pick at 2 but if Josh Allen goes 1 then Sam Darnold will go 2

The closer we get to draft day the more excited I am getting because if we take a QB its a win, if we take Barkley its a win, if we take Chubb its a win, if we trade down and take Nelson its a win. I just don't see a scenario were the Giants fail at taking a really good player
RE: Chubb is not a 3-4 DL  
BigBlue1013 : 4/11/2018 1:21 pm : link
In comment 13909222 Vanzetti said:
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Very unlikely that he is the pick


Chubb would play OLB in our 3-4

Tomlinson-Harrison-Mauro

Vernon-Goodson-Ogletree-Chubb
RE: I wouldn't mind Chubb, but I think he is a move down and get him guy  
santacruzom : 4/11/2018 1:41 pm : link
Chubb might be very appealing to the Browns at 4, who'd have to salivate over having two high-upside young DEs playing together on rookie contracts for the next 4-5 years.

If they go QB at 1, I bet they'd be very tempted to nab Chubb at 4 if we pass at 2.
RE: RE: Chubb is not a 3-4 DL  
nochance : 4/11/2018 3:14 pm : link
In comment Chubb would be average to slightly above average as an OLB in the 3-4. He is not nearly fast enough or has enough twitch to dominate.Comparing him to LT is ridiculous13909447 BigBlue1013 said:
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In comment 13909222 Vanzetti said:


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Very unlikely that he is the pick



Chubb would play OLB in our 3-4

Tomlinson-Harrison-Mauro

Vernon-Goodson-Ogletree-Chubb
If the Giants trade down  
Archer : 4/11/2018 4:52 pm : link
If the Giants were to trade down they should get a #1 and 2 this year and a # 1 next year
The # 1 for next year is essential
If the Giants have made an error in judgement and need a QB next year they need the pick to better position acquire the QB
RE: RE: Pep..  
paesan98 : 4/11/2018 5:26 pm : link
In comment 13909252 Jim in Tampa said:
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In comment 13909209 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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What if there isn't a franchise QB to be identified?

Take all of your points and magnify them by making a shitty pick on a failed QB.

There are definitely scenarios where not picking a QB isn't only advisable, it is the best move to make. Not thinking any of the top guys are going to be a franchise QB are one of them.

And looks like Dak Prescott has fooled another poster into thinking he's good.



Why do people keep insinuating that the jury is still out on whether a "Franchise QB" will be available at 2?

The Browns at 1 and the Jets at 3 are almost guaranteed to be taking QBs.

The three top QBs could all be gone by the 3rd pick and definitely by pick 5.

Buffalo is (supposedly) trying to trade up to 2, 5 or 6 to take a QB.

Could any of these QBs be a bust? Absolutely! (Just like any player can.) But it appears the rest of the league thinks that there are "Franchise QBs" worthy of being taken at 2.


The fact that other teams may have fallen in love with a particular QB does NOT mean that there is a franchise QB in this draft. Cleveland, the Jets and Buffalo haven't exactly done very well drafting QBs in the past, so why would you think that they are all of a sudden going to get it right? The last QB taken in the draft that was considered a franchise QB was Andrew Luck. Every other QB taken since were only "hope to be a franchise QB", including the guys in this draft. That is definitely not a reason to pick a QB.
RE: RE: RE: Pep..  
Jim in Tampa : 4/11/2018 7:04 pm : link
In comment 13909889 paesan98 said:
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In comment 13909252 Jim in Tampa said:


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In comment 13909209 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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What if there isn't a franchise QB to be identified?

Take all of your points and magnify them by making a shitty pick on a failed QB.

There are definitely scenarios where not picking a QB isn't only advisable, it is the best move to make. Not thinking any of the top guys are going to be a franchise QB are one of them.

And looks like Dak Prescott has fooled another poster into thinking he's good.



Why do people keep insinuating that the jury is still out on whether a "Franchise QB" will be available at 2?

The Browns at 1 and the Jets at 3 are almost guaranteed to be taking QBs.

The three top QBs could all be gone by the 3rd pick and definitely by pick 5.

Buffalo is (supposedly) trying to trade up to 2, 5 or 6 to take a QB.

Could any of these QBs be a bust? Absolutely! (Just like any player can.) But it appears the rest of the league thinks that there are "Franchise QBs" worthy of being taken at 2.



The fact that other teams may have fallen in love with a particular QB does NOT mean that there is a franchise QB in this draft. Cleveland, the Jets and Buffalo haven't exactly done very well drafting QBs in the past, so why would you think that they are all of a sudden going to get it right? The last QB taken in the draft that was considered a franchise QB was Andrew Luck. Every other QB taken since were only "hope to be a franchise QB", including the guys in this draft. That is definitely not a reason to pick a QB.


If multiple NFL teams are either trying to trade up to the top of the draft to get a QB or are expected to take a QB at the top of the draft, then it means that the league values these players as "franchise" QBs.

And your assessment that you need to be at least the quality of Luck to be considered a "franchise" QB is way off base.

Both Wentz and Goff are considered franchise QBs and there isn't a team in the NFL (including the Colts) who wouldn't trade their QB and a shit-load of picks to land either Wentz or Goff.
Just look at what buffalo would have to give up  
Bleedblue10 : 4/11/2018 8:59 pm : link
And knowing chances of us being in this position, with possibly 3 QBs to choose from wonít happen again why on earth would you want to pass on a qb? So in 2 years fans of other teams on their message boards are talking about how many picks itíll take for us to trade up. Pick ur qb now while you have the chance or regret when your overpaying for crap level journeyman
A trade down will only be occur if the Giants don't love the QBs  
George from PA : 4/11/2018 10:27 pm : link
They all have potential but all have ?????

Some teams feel very different about the talent.

In 2017, this class was viewed much better then today, as expected growth did not materialize as expected.

Darnold more INTs and fumbles....Rosen concussion etc
RE: Just a thought but maybe that's why he's not the GM..  
nyballa0891 : 4/11/2018 11:03 pm : link
In comment 13909207 Peppers said:
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A little off the track here but when did Josina Andersons insight/opinion become TV time worthy? When did she go from reporter to analysis..


This is pure speculation, but a part of me thinks shes may be reiterating what she hears from her sources within the organization aka the receivers on the team that wont shutup.
I think it's cute that Riddick thinks if he was the Gaints  
arniefez : 4/11/2018 11:20 pm : link
GM he would get to decide who they would draft. No wonder he didn't get hired.
RE: RE: Chubb is not a 3-4 DL  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/11/2018 11:51 pm : link
In comment 13909447 BigBlue1013 said:
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In comment 13909222 Vanzetti said:


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Very unlikely that he is the pick



Chubb would play OLB in our 3-4

Tomlinson-Harrison-Mauro

Vernon-Goodson-Ogletree-Chubb

So Martin is just a reserve? Solid depth I guess.
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