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A bit of scoop on the Bills interest in Josh Allen

Anakim : 4/11/2018 12:13 pm
Crazy tidbit on @sticktofootball this morning (excellent podcast, BTW):

Josh Allen could go #1, but if he doesn't, the Bills could be looking at packaging six (6!!!) picks to move up to #2 to grab him.
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You can certainly trade up from #12  
AnnapolisMike : 4/11/2018 12:21 pm : link
especially if you where given the ammunition to do so.

Draft day will be fun...
This was always going to be the price to move up  
blueblood : 4/11/2018 12:22 pm : link
I always thought it was going to be either both the 1,2,3's this year or Both 1's, a #2m maybe a #3, and a #1 next year..


Id go for the package this year.. We could really bolster the roster on the offensive and defensive lines this year with the outstanding depth an interior line and DT as well...
Four number 1’s  
Oscar : 4/11/2018 12:23 pm : link
And the Giants really can’t say no.

#12, #22, 2019 and 2020. Plus a couple lower round picks. The Bills have not moved up this far to miss out on their guy. I would be thrilled if it went this way.
I’m in favor of a trade with the Bills  
bigbluehoya : 4/11/2018 12:23 pm : link
So long as the haul includes both 2018 #1s and the 2019 #1. The Bills have no “proven” NFL QB on the roster. They look primed to throw a rookie straight into the fire. That 2019 #1 could be real gold.

There are some nice players available for us right now at #2 overall, but given the org’s insistence on giving Eli some more runway, I think cashing in to stockpile some more ammo, while also getting a potential blue chip pick for next year, is a really solid plan.
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Brown Recluse : 4/11/2018 12:24 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 12:24 pm : link
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Brown Recluse : 4/11/2018 12:25 pm : link
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The number of picks is tempting...  
Chris684 : 4/11/2018 12:25 pm : link
But I really don't want out of the top 7.

There's 4 QBs + Barkley, Chubb, Nelson.

I want one of those guys in round 1.

Maybe if Buffalo can get TB to bite on a move back for #12 and a combination of their #2's and #3's.

Then Buffalo is at 7, they can give us #7 and #22 and a 2019 1st.
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TheMick7 : 4/11/2018 12:29 pm : link
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Crazy tidbit on @sticktofootball this morning... Josh Allen could go no. 1, and if he doesn't, the Bills could be looking at packaging six (6!!!) picks to move up to no. 2 to grab Josh Allen.


So if this were true, At #2 the Giants would draft Darnold if the Browns took Allen,as Darnold is rumored to be the only QB they'd draft at #2 (who knows?) or they'd trade w/the Bills!
You can deal back up  
AcesUp : 4/11/2018 12:29 pm : link
It's not as difficult to move up as it is to move back once the QBs are off the board. If you don't like the QBs and the Bills are offering + value for that pick, you have to take it. You then have the equity to do whatever the hell you want at the top of the draft. I'd prefer a more fluid approach to the draft than what Reese has done in the past.
RE: The number of picks is tempting...  
giants#1 : 4/11/2018 12:30 pm : link
In comment 13909344 Chris684 said:
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But I really don't want out of the top 7.

There's 4 QBs + Barkley, Chubb, Nelson.

I want one of those guys in round 1.

Maybe if Buffalo can get TB to bite on a move back for #12 and a combination of their #2's and #3's.

Then Buffalo is at 7, they can give us #7 and #22 and a 2019 1st.


I like Chubb/Barkley better, but Nelson or Fitzpatrick would be a nice consolation prize.
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 12:31 pm : link
Buffalo would really have to offer something nearly impossible to pass up for Gettleman to pull the trigger, IMO.

The "gold jacket" prospects are probably going to all be off the board by 12. I think Gettleman is intent on taking one of these players.
I would prefer  
Rjanyg : 4/11/2018 12:31 pm : link
Both of this years number ones and, 2 number 2's and next years 1st round pick.

That would be the best deal.

That would give us
2 1st
3 2nd
2 3rd

And we would have 2 1st rounders next year.
RE: I would prefer  
Jay on the Island : 4/11/2018 12:32 pm : link
In comment 13909355 Rjanyg said:
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Both of this years number ones and, 2 number 2's and next years 1st round pick.

That would be the best deal.

That would give us
2 1st
3 2nd
2 3rd

And we would have 2 1st rounders next year.

That would have to be the minimum IMO to move down that far.
RE: There's 4 QBs + Barkley, Chubb, Nelson.  
Trainmaster : 4/11/2018 12:32 pm : link
+1

The Bills need to get a top 6 overall pick to add to the package or I say no.

Only if there is a “future year King’s Ransom” such as the Bill’s first rounder in 2019 and 2020 in addition to both first rounders this year.
RE: It would be very hard to turn down  
Capt. Don : 4/11/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13909323 ZogZerg said:
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2 #1s (and not bad ones)
2 #2s
2 #3s

for ONE pick. The Giants would then have:

2 #1s
3 #2s
4 #3s

9 picks in the first 2 days!


I would want one of the 6 to be a 1st next year.
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jvm52106 : 4/11/2018 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13909353 arcarsenal said:
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Buffalo would really have to offer something nearly impossible to pass up for Gettleman to pull the trigger, IMO.

The "gold jacket" prospects are probably going to all be off the board by 12. I think Gettleman is intent on taking one of these players.


I don't know if there is a Gold Jacket guy there. The QB's are inflated, Barkley plays a position few last for a long time at and carry a high injury risk, Chubb is a good player but not necessarily a game changer.
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13909373 jvm52106 said:
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Buffalo would really have to offer something nearly impossible to pass up for Gettleman to pull the trigger, IMO.

The "gold jacket" prospects are probably going to all be off the board by 12. I think Gettleman is intent on taking one of these players.



I don't know if there is a Gold Jacket guy there. The QB's are inflated, Barkley plays a position few last for a long time at and carry a high injury risk, Chubb is a good player but not necessarily a game changer.


Nelson and Fitzpatrick are both going to be gone by 12 too.

I'm fairly confident one of these guys (at least) is going to go on to have a great NFL career.

Moving out of the top 10 takes us out of the mix for these Tier 1 players.

Sure, it's always possible that the pundits are wrong about these guys but I would need a huge, huge haul to move all the way down to 12 from 2.
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QB Snacks : 4/11/2018 12:43 pm : link
In comment 13909353 arcarsenal said:
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Buffalo would really have to offer something nearly impossible to pass up for Gettleman to pull the trigger, IMO.

The "gold jacket" prospects are probably going to all be off the board by 12. I think Gettleman is intent on taking one of these players.


You're taking this gold jacket line too literally.
jvm  
Chris684 : 4/11/2018 12:46 pm : link
While I'm not super high on the QBs, odds favor that at least 1 or 2 of them will be very good/great.

IF Barkley is as good as they say he is, even a shorter career can be impactful a la Terrell Davis.

As far as Nelson, Sy (not a knock on him) is just about the only scout I've read or heard who doesnt love him and think all-pro is his floor.

Agreed on Chubb, I don't believe he's in the elite tier of prospects but maybe a cut below. However, he is the highest rated 2 way DE.
I think its funny that that for many people  
blueblood : 4/11/2018 12:48 pm : link
the draft is only like 6 players deep.

There are Quality players that might be available @ 12

Roquan Smith, Marcus Davenport, Derwin James, Denzel Ward could all be available @ 12 and we have a need at all those positions. Tremaine Edwards on an outside chance could be there. Vita Vea.. also

The Giants might be better served getting several GOOD players and depth..
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 12:49 pm : link
In comment 13909385 QB Snacks said:
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Buffalo would really have to offer something nearly impossible to pass up for Gettleman to pull the trigger, IMO.

The "gold jacket" prospects are probably going to all be off the board by 12. I think Gettleman is intent on taking one of these players.



You're taking this gold jacket line too literally.


I don't think I am.

He's made it clear that the goal is to get an elite player here - regardless of what position they play.

The odds of that are quite a bit slimmer if we take ourselves out of the running for all 4 QB's, Chubb, Barkley, Nelson, and Fitzpatrick.

I would bet on every single one of them being off the board by 12. It's a big risk to move down 10 spots like that.
No, one of those picks  
SHO'NUFF : 4/11/2018 12:49 pm : link
need to be Top 5
I thought he wasn't  
RinR : 4/11/2018 12:53 pm : link
getting past the Browns at #1 or #4.
If you trade with the Bills to #12 . . YOU CAN TRADE BACK UP!!!!  
AnnapolisMike : 4/11/2018 12:53 pm : link
You are NOT stuck picking at #12. The Bills location at #12 should not be a major factor if the package of picks is sweet enough.
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jvm52106 : 4/11/2018 12:57 pm : link
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Buffalo would really have to offer something nearly impossible to pass up for Gettleman to pull the trigger, IMO.

The "gold jacket" prospects are probably going to all be off the board by 12. I think Gettleman is intent on taking one of these players.



I don't know if there is a Gold Jacket guy there. The QB's are inflated, Barkley plays a position few last for a long time at and carry a high injury risk, Chubb is a good player but not necessarily a game changer.



Nelson and Fitzpatrick are both going to be gone by 12 too.

I'm fairly confident one of these guys (at least) is going to go on to have a great NFL career.

Moving out of the top 10 takes us out of the mix for these Tier 1 players.

Sure, it's always possible that the pundits are wrong about these guys but I would need a huge, huge haul to move all the way down to 12 from 2.


I understand, I just look at our group and we are way way thin. I think building a solid foundation now (look at Giants 86 and 89 drafts where we picked up the core of the team for years there. **I realize we had a lot of good players already but 86 draft alone produced:

Dorsey, Collins, Johnson, Lasker, Washington and Howard

89

Williams, Jackson, Guyton, Kratch, Tillman and Cross...
Bills are fawning over this guy  
fanofthejets : 4/11/2018 1:02 pm : link
But he also has the reddest of red flags with his inaccuracy and that's something that doesn't tend to improve once you make it to the pros. But he's got the work ethic, the arm talent, the size and athleticism, the smarts. This would be a fanatical "all in" move. I don't think he'll ever be a bust but rather a middle of the road QB who frustratingly never hits his ceiling. A better Jeff George (without the attitude issues)
This is like one of those Sci-Fi/Fantasy stories...  
Jim in Tampa : 4/11/2018 1:03 pm : link
Where you can escape from Hell if you can find some sucker to take your place.

Bills are in QB hell and they obviously want out.

The Giants will take their place if they fall for this deal and pass on the QB.
If the Giants are zeroed in on Darnold or Rosen,  
Brown Recluse : 4/11/2018 1:04 pm : link
I don't believe there is anything the Bills can offer them to move out of that spot. If you really believe that player is your franchise QB - there isn't anything worth giving up for him.

Otherwise, I'd take a really strong deal (6 picks?) and move back. We've gotten some really great players outside of the top 10, and at that point I'd be looking to load up.
I guess you'd want his arm up North in the cold  
JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 1:06 pm : link
but it looks like they would have to start him which could be detrimental
RE: If you trade with the Bills to #12 . . YOU CAN TRADE BACK UP!!!!  
GFAN52 : 4/11/2018 1:07 pm : link
In comment 13909402 AnnapolisMike said:
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You are NOT stuck picking at #12. The Bills location at #12 should not be a major factor if the package of picks is sweet enough.


If it doesn't include this years two 1st rd picks and 2019 1st at a minimum in the 6 picks, then the Bills can kick rocks.
RE: It would be very hard to turn down  
Boy Cord : 4/11/2018 1:09 pm : link
In comment 13909323 ZogZerg said:
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2 #1s (and not bad ones)
2 #2s
2 #3s

for ONE pick. The Giants would then have:

2 #1s
3 #2s
4 #3s

9 picks in the first 2 days!


Fk it. Do it DG. Nine picks. This will be the most epic, spectacular, cream-your-pants draft experience - hell, any experience - on BBI. Do it. Do it. Do it.
If you do not love the QB's  
AnnapolisMike : 4/11/2018 1:12 pm : link
And still get in position to draft a player you love...then you do this all day long if the package of picks blows you away.
If Darnold is there  
ThatLimerickGuy : 4/11/2018 1:16 pm : link
I still don't make a deal.

If Darnold goes first and the Bills offer 3 first round picks and a 2nd rounder (12 in 2018, 22 in 2018, 1st in 2019, 2nd in 2019), then I am doing that in a heartbeat.

There is always going to be another Chubb, Barkley, Fitzpatrick or Nelson next year and I'm underwhelmed by Rosen, Allen and Mayfield.
If they aren't sold on a QB or Barkley  
UberAlias : 4/11/2018 1:22 pm : link
They might as well. I don't see Chubb/Nelson as franchise altering players. If we're going to get a good player, I'd rather get a good player and a bunch of picks.
Why do people think next years Bills pick will be high?  
Sean : 4/11/2018 1:27 pm : link
They made the playoffs this season.
Not being talked about on Bills' fan board  
shyster : 4/11/2018 1:27 pm : link
Bills' fans are as obsessed as any and this isn't a tickle at Two Bills Drive.

Anything can happen but the talking heads will be filling air space from now to the draft and there is nothing to suggest that this is an advance of the ball.
RE: Why do people think next years Bills pick will be high?  
Kevin in Annapolis : 4/11/2018 1:28 pm : link
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They made the playoffs this season.


Lost 3 of 5 starters on OL and starting QB would be my guess
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mphbullet36 : 4/11/2018 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13909369 Capt. Don said:
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In comment 13909323 ZogZerg said:


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2 #1s (and not bad ones)
2 #2s
2 #3s

for ONE pick. The Giants would then have:

2 #1s
3 #2s
4 #3s

9 picks in the first 2 days!




I would want one of the 6 to be a 1st next year.


agree with this...even if we have to swap out a 2nd this year. I would rather have

2 1's
1 2
2 3's

and

2019 1st rounder

this would probably get the deal done for me if Darnold went #1 and the Bills wanted to jump to #2 for Allen.
RE: If Darnold is there  
mphbullet36 : 4/11/2018 1:36 pm : link
In comment 13909440 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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I still don't make a deal.

If Darnold goes first and the Bills offer 3 first round picks and a 2nd rounder (12 in 2018, 22 in 2018, 1st in 2019, 2nd in 2019), then I am doing that in a heartbeat.

There is always going to be another Chubb, Barkley, Fitzpatrick or Nelson next year and I'm underwhelmed by Rosen, Allen and Mayfield.


pretty much my line of thinking
RE: Bills are fawning over this guy  
jvm52106 : 4/11/2018 2:01 pm : link
In comment 13909422 fanofthejets said:
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But he also has the reddest of red flags with his inaccuracy and that's something that doesn't tend to improve once you make it to the pros. But he's got the work ethic, the arm talent, the size and athleticism, the smarts. This would be a fanatical "all in" move. I don't think he'll ever be a bust but rather a middle of the road QB who frustratingly never hits his ceiling. A better Jeff George (without the attitude issues)


Bills looking at a guy who can throw in the type of weather conditions they face there. Rosen to me is a NON Buffalo guy and Mayfield may not have the make up for that environment. Allen has a gun and the wind and weather should not hamper him there. Now, hitting the broadside of a barn is another story.
RE: It would be very hard to turn down  
NYSports1 : 4/11/2018 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13909323 ZogZerg said:
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2 #1s (and not bad ones)
2 #2s
2 #3s

for ONE pick. The Giants would then have:

2 #1s
3 #2s
4 #3s

9 picks in the first 2 days!


Great so we win for the next 15 years with solid to bust players in those picks because we have no qb....Great
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mphbullet36 : 4/11/2018 2:25 pm : link
In comment 13909527 NYSports1 said:
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In comment 13909323 ZogZerg said:


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2 #1s (and not bad ones)
2 #2s
2 #3s

for ONE pick. The Giants would then have:

2 #1s
3 #2s
4 #3s

9 picks in the first 2 days!




Great so we win for the next 15 years with solid to bust players in those picks because we have no qb....Great


or we draft rosen and he gets hit at some point in his career and has another concussion and stops playing football. Then we have no QB and no other players. See I can play this game too.
I don’t know why  
GoDeep13 : 4/11/2018 2:37 pm : link
People are taking the “Giants only like one QB” thing as saying they WILL draft that QB. Them saying they like him means he’d be considered. Not that he’s the sure fired guy with the pick. And who said it was Darnold? Every Chris Canty, the person who started the narrative, said he doesn’t know for a fact who it is but that he guesses it’d be Darnold.
RE: The number of picks is tempting...  
Jay in Toronto : 4/11/2018 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13909344 Chris684 said:
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But I really don't want out of the top 7.

There's 4 QBs + Barkley, Chubb, Nelson.

I want one of those guys in round 1.



Yeah, but which one will be the HOF guy???
I want  
Professor Falken : 4/11/2018 4:34 pm : link
all of Buffalo's #1s and #2s this year and next, plus Tre'Davious White. C'mon Buffalo, let's go all Ditka here.
I don’t do the deal either  
Giant John : 4/11/2018 7:11 pm : link
I would not trade out of the top 5 or 6 at the most.
RE: It would be very hard to turn down  
bradshaw44 : 4/11/2018 8:26 pm : link
In comment 13909323 ZogZerg said:
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2 #1s (and not bad ones)
2 #2s
2 #3s

for ONE pick. The Giants would then have:

2 #1s
3 #2s
4 #3s

9 picks in the first 2 days!


Now THAT could really put this team in great position to compete. Maybe we could even get an early pick out of them next year.
With picks 12 & 22  
Rjanyg : 4/11/2018 11:36 pm : link
And all the talk about Nelson and Chubb, Davenport and Hernandez could BOTH be had, instead of one of Nelson OR Chubb.

Plus 3-2nd rounders and 2 3rd rounders provide more solids talent or the ammo to move back into round 1.

This is a pretty good move if NYG can also get Buffalo to surrender a 2019 1st rounder.
The Giants  
allstarjim : 4/12/2018 9:27 am : link
Must get next year's first round pick as part of any deal with the Bills.

Next year's first on what will likely be a very bad Buffalo team in 2018, plus 4 or 5 other extra picks this year, with at least one extra 2018 first rounder and second rounder this year and more, it's a good deal. But the 2019 first rounder is imperative to making the deal. That pick could end up being #1 overall, btw.
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