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Do the Jets at 3 put more pressure on Giants to get QB at 2?

GiantNatty : 4/11/2018 2:58 pm
Seems pretty obvious that the Jets are going QB at 3 - I hope we can all agree on that. It's a basic assumption of this post anyway.

So, assuming that's true, doesn't it make it at least a little more likely that the Giants get a QB at 2?

This is the kind of draft that could have huge repercussions for New York football fans for the next generation. Fans - especially young fans - like a winner. If the Giants whiff (or even get a good player that fails to win championships) and the Jets get a stud QB (that finally brings them back to relevance), it could cause a seismic shift in the landscape of football fans in the tri-state area. Especially given that the Giants would have necessarily passed on the guy. This is really a big draft for both teams, but make no bones about it, even in their own market, the pressure is on the Giants to get this one right.

I think it makes it a little more likely that the Giants, who have the upper hand by picking one pick ahead of the Jets, get a QB that they believe will be better than the one the Jets select.

Generally speaking, the Giants are regarded as a better organization. I hope that trend continues once this draft settles out...
No  
giants#1 : 4/11/2018 3:01 pm : link
The Giants will pick a QB if they like the prospects and/or don't believe Webb can develop into a high level starter.

If they don't think any of these QBs have star potential, then they'll be happy to let the Jets grab one.
Nope ...  
Beer Man : 4/11/2018 3:04 pm : link
The draft is about making the Giants a stronger/championship team, not about weakening or denying the Jets.
what it does do though  
giants#1 : 4/11/2018 3:05 pm : link
is increase the value of the #2 pick since it's almost a guarantee that the Jets are going QB. So if you're another team looking for a QB, you probably want to try and get to pick #2 and at least get the 2nd best (at worst) QB on your board.
Not a bit  
OBJRoyal : 4/11/2018 3:24 pm : link
If DG see a QB he likes and is convinced that QB is the best pick for the Giants at 2, then he will take him. The jets being at 3 means nothing
yes..  
firedbytheboss : 4/11/2018 3:39 pm : link
if the giants pass on a qb and the jets land a franchise qb in Rosen. In two years if Rosen is leading a resurgent jets team and we still don't have a qb, DG will be gone within the year.
Nope  
UberAlias : 4/11/2018 3:42 pm : link
It will make it more painful if they pass up on a franchise QB and he lands in NYJ, but the Giants are only concerned with themselves.
RE: yes..  
Anakim : 4/11/2018 3:47 pm : link
In comment 13909684 firedbytheboss said:
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if the giants pass on a qb and the jets land a franchise qb in Rosen. In two years if Rosen is leading a resurgent jets team and we still don't have a qb, DG will be gone within the year.


The Jets are taking a QB regardless. It would be much worse if the Giants took a QB at #2 and he ended up sucking, while the Jets took a QB at 3 and ended up doing amazingly.
we don't all have to agree  
Rocky369 : 4/11/2018 3:48 pm : link
on anything we have no control over that is happening in the future. nor does anything the Giants (want to) do have any effect on the Jets, or vice versa.
No. Why do the Giants care about what is happening after they pick?  
SterlingArcher : 4/11/2018 3:50 pm : link
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No  
old man : 4/11/2018 4:30 pm : link
But if the Giants can get some solid hints who the Giants would take at QB, and it's not the same one the Giants might be interested in, they could false leak they want the Jets guy and entice the Jets to move up 1, get an extra pick, then get their guy.
Of course, there would be some heavy discord at Met Life Stadium.
the day we draft because of pressure from the Jets  
UConn4523 : 4/11/2018 4:32 pm : link
is the day I probably stop being a Giants fan.
If Giant brass is basing any of their draft strategy  
Section331 : 4/11/2018 4:32 pm : link
on what the fucking Jets are going to do, then they should be sent packing. Who gives a shit? First of all, they still have the GM who drafted Christian Fucking Hackenburg, who they can't even trust to play in preseason (and posters complain about drafting Davis Webb?)!

I seriously doubt that DG gives what the Jets might do a 2nd thought.
If the Giants let any of that consideration  
Mike from Ohio : 4/11/2018 5:27 pm : link
enter into the discussion of who to draft, everyone in that discussion should be immediately fired because they aren't serious football people.

The only consideration that matters is what action makes the Giants a better football team.
RE: yes..  
the mike : 4/11/2018 5:39 pm : link
In comment 13909684 firedbytheboss said:
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if the giants pass on a qb and the jets land a franchise qb in Rosen. In two years if Rosen is leading a resurgent jets team and we still don't have a qb, DG will be gone within the year.



According to this logic, Reese should not have been fired because he took Eli Apple instead of selecting Christian Hackenberg....

Aside from Namath, the Jets have had some of the worst quarterback draft moments (picking Ken O'Brien over Dan Marino in 1983) or unluckiest (Packers selecting Favre in 1991 just before Jets took Browning Nagle) of almost any team in NFL history...

There is one thing that will be certain - if one of the quarterbacks in this year's draft will be a bust, it will be whomever the Jets select!
RE: No. Why do the Giants care about what is happening after they pick?  
Anakim : 4/11/2018 5:46 pm : link
In comment 13909706 SterlingArcher said:
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The thinking is this:

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#Jets have the #3 pick and are likely to pick their franchise QB for the next however many years. Do you think Mara & Tisch are gonna let that happen without making sure they have their QB of the future? No chance they risk losing control of the NY market. #Giants
RE: RE: yes..  
bradshaw44 : 4/11/2018 5:46 pm : link
In comment 13909901 the mike said:
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In comment 13909684 firedbytheboss said:


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if the giants pass on a qb and the jets land a franchise qb in Rosen. In two years if Rosen is leading a resurgent jets team and we still don't have a qb, DG will be gone within the year.




According to this logic, Reese should not have been fired because he took Eli Apple instead of selecting Christian Hackenberg....

Aside from Namath, the Jets have had some of the worst quarterback draft moments (picking Ken O'Brien over Dan Marino in 1983) or unluckiest (Packers selecting Favre in 1991 just before Jets took Browning Nagle) of almost any team in NFL history...

There is one thing that will be certain - if one of the quarterbacks in this year's draft will be a bust, it will be whomever the Jets select!


I'm pretty sure Favre was drafted by the Falcons and traded to the Packers. He even through his first NFL pass as a Falcon and it was too himself when it bounced of a lineman's helmet and he caught it, I believe.
*Threw  
bradshaw44 : 4/11/2018 5:48 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: yes..  
the mike : 4/11/2018 5:51 pm : link
In comment 13909909 bradshaw44 said:
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In comment 13909901 the mike said:


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In comment 13909684 firedbytheboss said:


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if the giants pass on a qb and the jets land a franchise qb in Rosen. In two years if Rosen is leading a resurgent jets team and we still don't have a qb, DG will be gone within the year.




According to this logic, Reese should not have been fired because he took Eli Apple instead of selecting Christian Hackenberg....

Aside from Namath, the Jets have had some of the worst quarterback draft moments (picking Ken O'Brien over Dan Marino in 1983) or unluckiest (Packers selecting Favre in 1991 just before Jets took Browning Nagle) of almost any team in NFL history...

There is one thing that will be certain - if one of the quarterbacks in this year's draft will be a bust, it will be whomever the Jets select!

Yes, very true. My mistake. Thx.



I'm pretty sure Favre was drafted by the Falcons and traded to the Packers. He even through his first NFL pass as a Falcon and it was too himself when it bounced of a lineman's helmet and he caught it, I believe.
The Jets picking at three does not increase the value of  
wgenesis123 : 4/11/2018 6:31 pm : link
pick number 2 if the Giants do not trade it. If they make a pick they can only pick one player at 2.
Sorry but I donít get the logic.  
Giant John : 4/11/2018 7:06 pm : link
If the Giants want to draft a QB they will. If not they wonít. Donít overthink this stuff.
If they didn't share a stadium,  
Doomster : 4/11/2018 9:28 pm : link
I don't think it would affect ownership....but seeing as how they do, you don't think that pick has some bearing on the Jets?

Can you imagine what the rivalry will be like if the Jets get a stud at qb?

DG doesn't think that way, but Ownership?

This whole thing about the Giants and the Jets  
blueblood : 4/11/2018 9:39 pm : link
is completely stupid. They Jets havent won anything since before the 70's. The Giants are not making draft plans worrying about how it affects the Jets.. or how it will make them look in the NY media..

Here is the reality.. NYC is a Giants town.. always has been.. always will be..
What Does Change  
Samiam : 4/11/2018 11:21 pm : link
Not necessarily at QB though. At one point, I could see the Browns giving up picks to trade with the Giants to get Barkley at #2. Now, thereís a much much better chance that the Browns grab Barkley at 4 if they want him.

Also, as long as people are pulling stuff out of thin air since this is all guesswork, assume for a second that Barkley is a generational player, why couldnít the Jets have traded up for Barkley assuming Giants donít want him and Browns would want him at 4? Anything is possible
RE: If they didn't share a stadium,  
gmenatlarge : 4/12/2018 10:21 am : link
In comment 13910252 Doomster said:
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I don't think it would affect ownership....but seeing as how they do, you don't think that pick has some bearing on the Jets?

Can you imagine what the rivalry will be like if the Jets get a stud at qb?

DG doesn't think that way, but Ownership?


Absolutely a factor for John Mara, probably not so much for DG and Shurmur.
DG is master negotiator and talent evaluator with his back up, Abrams.  
TMS : 4/12/2018 1:24 pm : link
They are down the road on all these guys I believe. What they do is a mystery but I believe they will do it right. So is our New HC and his staff. Yes I am a homer. Go Giants
RE: what it does do though  
yatqb : 4/12/2018 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13909606 giants#1 said:
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is increase the value of the #2 pick since it's almost a guarantee that the Jets are going QB. So if you're another team looking for a QB, you probably want to try and get to pick #2 and at least get the 2nd best (at worst) QB on your board.


+1. It forces a team like the Bills to trade up with us if the QB they want is there at 2.
RE: This whole thing about the Giants and the Jets  
firedbytheboss : 4/12/2018 11:01 pm : link
In comment 13910294 blueblood said:
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is completely stupid. They Jets havent won anything since before the 70's. The Giants are not making draft plans worrying about how it affects the Jets.. or how it will make them look in the NY media..

Here is the reality.. NYC is a Giants town.. always has been.. always will be..


New York is a front running town.. maybe you haven't been around long enough.
RE: RE: yes..  
.McL. : 4/13/2018 6:48 am : link
In comment 13909901 the mike said:
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In comment 13909684 firedbytheboss said:


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if the giants pass on a qb and the jets land a franchise qb in Rosen. In two years if Rosen is leading a resurgent jets team and we still don't have a qb, DG will be gone within the year.




According to this logic, Reese should not have been fired because he took Eli Apple instead of selecting Christian Hackenberg....

Aside from Namath, the Jets have had some of the worst quarterback draft moments (picking Ken O'Brien over Dan Marino in 1983) or unluckiest (Packers selecting Favre in 1991 just before Jets took Browning Nagle) of almost any team in NFL history...

There is one thing that will be certain - if one of the quarterbacks in this year's draft will be a bust, it will be whomever the Jets select!


The Falcons picked Favre
Yes  
jeff57 : 4/13/2018 6:51 am : link
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The jets moving up  
.McL. : 4/13/2018 6:54 am : link
Put pressure on the Browns to pick a QB at rather than waiting for 4...

If the Giants want a QB they will take one at 2. The Jets did not change that part of the equation one bit.

If the Giants don't want one, the would have traded down before, they will still trade down now. But now they get more, because the Jets move made the #2 pick more valuable if teams really want one of these QBs. Teams now know that 3 will be off the board with the first 3 picks. If they want one, pay up! Thank You Jets.
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