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ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 6:01 pm
Mets Lineup

Asdrubal Cabrera 2B
Wilmer Flores 1B
Yoenis Cespedes LF
Todd Frazier 3B
Jay Bruce RF
Kevin Plawecki C
Amed Rosario SS
Juan Lagares CF
Zack Wheeler P
Marlins Lineup

Derek Dietrich LF
Miguel Rojas SS
Starlin Castro 2B
Justin Bour 1B
Brian Anderson 3B
Cameron Maybin RF
Lewis Brinson CF
Tim Wallach C
Jarlin Garcia P

Bummer about TDA today. Wheelz up! LGM!
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Congrats Mets fans.  
section125 : 4/11/2018 9:48 pm : link
Great start to the season. Best wishes for a healthy year.
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ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:49 pm : link
In comment 13910319 arcarsenal said:
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Hopefully, Plawecki is ok. I could actually see Sandy trading for Realmuto this summer. We have a great team and not many weaknesses. That would be a huge move.



If Shecky is right about the cost of acquiring him, we should be on the horn with them as soon as he's healthy. Even if Plawecki is okay.

It's early but this team clearly has the pieces to be in the mix all year. We'd be even better with Realmuto.


Hopefully his back is ok? I dont even know his timetable to return. Check out the guys splits. He's actually been hurt by playing in that monstrous home park. His away splits are incredible. I'd LOVE Realmuto.
RE: Congrats Mets fans.  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:49 pm : link
In comment 13910323 section125 said:
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Great start to the season. Best wishes for a healthy year.


Classy - thank you!

Just trying to enjoy it so far. I don't think even Z expected us to start off quite like this...
x-rays  
pjcas18 : 4/11/2018 9:50 pm : link
negative on Plawecki
RE: RE: Kind of a bummer about TDA today  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:50 pm : link
In comment 13910318 JayBinQueens said:
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Hopefully, Plawecki is ok. I could actually see Sandy trading for Realmuto this summer. We have a great team and not many weaknesses. That would be a huge move.



As long as the price isn't crazy, and plaw misses any time, it's a move that needs to be made,. Sooner than later


Problem is trades generally arent made this early. No matter what we offer, the Fish can be patient and shop our deal to other teams to see if anyone else bites. It's not ideal. There's a reason like 90% of all trades go down the last few days before the deadline.
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:50 pm : link
In comment 13910325 ZGiants98 said:
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Hopefully, Plawecki is ok. I could actually see Sandy trading for Realmuto this summer. We have a great team and not many weaknesses. That would be a huge move.



If Shecky is right about the cost of acquiring him, we should be on the horn with them as soon as he's healthy. Even if Plawecki is okay.

It's early but this team clearly has the pieces to be in the mix all year. We'd be even better with Realmuto.



Hopefully his back is ok? I dont even know his timetable to return. Check out the guys splits. He's actually been hurt by playing in that monstrous home park. His away splits are incredible. I'd LOVE Realmuto.


Yeah, dude - if he checks out physically that's a go for it move that I think makes SO much sense. He wants out of there. They will trade him if they get anything that they think can potentially help down the line I think.
RE: x-rays  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:51 pm : link
In comment 13910329 pjcas18 said:
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Excellent
I could see Sandy bringing in a guy like Carlos Ruiz  
steve in ky : 4/11/2018 9:51 pm : link
just to have a veteran catcher on board
Wheeler looked great tonight and I’m stoked to see it...BUT  
PhiPsi125 : 4/11/2018 9:53 pm : link
I need to see how he does against an actual major league team before I start going gaga. Don’t mean to be the wet blanket but we’ve seen Wheeler before. Either way, nice job kid!
RE: RE: Congrats Mets fans.  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:53 pm : link
In comment 13910327 arcarsenal said:
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Great start to the season. Best wishes for a healthy year.



Classy - thank you!

Just trying to enjoy it so far. I don't think even Z expected us to start off quite like this...


This is mostly off my MMO preview stuff. I had us at a baseline of 89 wins. I did predict a fast start because of a new coaching staff regime/new attitude and a bit of a chip on the shoulder of so many guys coming back from injury. We'll have some injuries and hit some cold streaks. It wont be rosy all year but hopefully we reinforce the team at the deadline and have no major knockout blows and coast into the postseason. ;) Things are looking good and I swear there is a ceiling for a us to be playing much better.
It took just two weeks into the season  
Shecky : 4/11/2018 9:54 pm : link
And I know I’m not alone.
I sure miss TC
RE: RE: Congrats Mets fans.  
section125 : 4/11/2018 9:54 pm : link
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Great start to the season. Best wishes for a healthy year.



Classy - thank you!

Just trying to enjoy it so far. I don't think even Z expected us to start off quite like this...


You guys were derailed by ungodly injuries last year. Virtually lost all your starters on what could be argued the best starting staff in baseball and that was just the start.

Keep up the good work.
RE: Wheeler looked great tonight and I’m stoked to see it...BUT  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:55 pm : link
In comment 13910338 PhiPsi125 said:
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I need to see how he does against an actual major league team before I start going gaga. Don’t mean to be the wet blanket but we’ve seen Wheeler before. Either way, nice job kid!


That's true but I feel like he got BABIP'd to death in his last spring start, he looked great in his AAA start. Even Shecky said he pitched better in AAA than people were even mentioning in that start. Then tonight he comes in with a major chip on his shoulder. Let's not forget Syndergaard and deGrom struggled against this same team the last two days. Im weirdly high on Wheeler right now.
RE: It took just two weeks into the season  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 9:56 pm : link
In comment 13910341 Shecky said:
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And I know I’m not alone.
I sure miss TC


Bwahahaha. I dont want to pile on the guy but good lord it's nice having a manager with a brain.
RE: It took just two weeks into the season  
steve in ky : 4/11/2018 9:57 pm : link
In comment 13910341 Shecky said:
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And I know I’m not alone.
I sure miss TC


I know you are kidding but TC did a fine job while this team weathered some real financial difficulties, but it was definitely time for a change at manager. This team is refreshing to watch.
RE: It took just two weeks into the season  
spike : 4/11/2018 9:58 pm : link
In comment 13910341 Shecky said:
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And I know I’m not alone.
I sure miss TC


LOL

We will see how they fare against the Brew Crew

The Yanks just had a brawl witht he Sox
RE: Wheeler looked great tonight and I’m stoked to see it...BUT  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 9:58 pm : link
In comment 13910338 PhiPsi125 said:
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I need to see how he does against an actual major league team before I start going gaga. Don’t mean to be the wet blanket but we’ve seen Wheeler before. Either way, nice job kid!


What gives me confidence is that he was sent down and specifically instructed to work on mechanical things - results weren't as important.

It looks like he's adjusted and so far, the benefits are visible.

I am absolutely with you that we need to see this against better hitters - the Marlins lineup has to be the worst in baseball - but I actually think it was really important for Wheels to get this confidence boost and see that the adjustments are working.

All very good things right now.. all very good things.

Bummed we're off tomorrow! Having too much fun watching these guys, but it'll be good to get a few guys a breather. Especially Cespedes. Let him rest up and be ready to roll Friday.

Familia will be fresh for the Brew Crew too.
RE: RE: Wheeler looked great tonight and I’m stoked to see it...BUT  
PhiPsi125 : 4/11/2018 9:59 pm : link
In comment 13910346 ZGiants98 said:
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I need to see how he does against an actual major league team before I start going gaga. Don’t mean to be the wet blanket but we’ve seen Wheeler before. Either way, nice job kid!



That's true but I feel like he got BABIP'd to death in his last spring start, he looked great in his AAA start. Even Shecky said he pitched better in AAA than people were even mentioning in that start. Then tonight he comes in with a major chip on his shoulder. Let's not forget Syndergaard and deGrom struggled against this same team the last two days. Im weirdly high on Wheeler right now.


No doubt, but we know what Noah and Jake can do. They have more than proved themselves. Wheeler is still sort of an unknown but with loads of potential. I was also oddly high on Wheeler this spring. I’m sure he’ll have his bumps but if he can back this up with another quality performance he’ll start to win me over.
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 10:00 pm : link
Callaway has been outstanding - and I am thrilled he's here, I think he's a better manager than Collins so far.

BUT - if Callaway loses as many players as Collins did last year and in 2016, I'm pretty sure the results wouldn't be a whole lot different.

This team is very healthy right now. That is playing a major role in this start.
Health is definitely the biggest part in all of this...  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 10:03 pm : link
And as much as Ive trashed Collins over the years he did some good things in the clubhouse and we did go to a WS.

That said, I have wanted an analytic manager that wasn't a "feel" guy for the longest time imaginable. Everything has been planned out. He has a move for everything. I just feel like the guy stays up late doing his homework like an Eli Manning might where Terry went for beers after the game. lol.
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steve in ky : 4/11/2018 10:04 pm : link
In comment 13910361 arcarsenal said:
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Callaway has been outstanding - and I am thrilled he's here, I think he's a better manager than Collins so far.

BUT - if Callaway loses as many players as Collins did last year and in 2016, I'm pretty sure the results wouldn't be a whole lot different.

This team is very healthy right now. That is playing a major role in this start.


I don't think Sandy ever intended for Collins to manage as long as he did. He was a great option given the state of the Mets when they hired him but then the guys kept playing hard for him, Wright was strongly in his corner, and he managed them to the WS, so he kind of earned more time.

But this change was needed and I think the entire team is responding to a fresh manger and staff.
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JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 10:05 pm : link
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Hopefully, Plawecki is ok. I could actually see Sandy trading for Realmuto this summer. We have a great team and not many weaknesses. That would be a huge move.



As long as the price isn't crazy, and plaw misses any time, it's a move that needs to be made,. Sooner than later



Problem is trades generally arent made this early. No matter what we offer, the Fish can be patient and shop our deal to other teams to see if anyone else bites. It's not ideal. There's a reason like 90% of all trades go down the last few days before the deadline.


Agree, but his price is as low as Shecky insinuated, he'd be worth an overpay (assuming his back checks out and its not an absurd price)
Callaway just confirmed Wheeler is "definitely"  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 10:06 pm : link
getting another start. He is lined up to face the Nats on Tuesday. :)
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 10:09 pm : link
In comment 13910372 steve in ky said:
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Callaway has been outstanding - and I am thrilled he's here, I think he's a better manager than Collins so far.

BUT - if Callaway loses as many players as Collins did last year and in 2016, I'm pretty sure the results wouldn't be a whole lot different.

This team is very healthy right now. That is playing a major role in this start.



I don't think Sandy ever intended for Collins to manage as long as he did. He was a great option given the state of the Mets when they hired him but then the guys kept playing hard for him, Wright was strongly in his corner, and he managed them to the WS, so he kind of earned more time.

But this change was needed and I think the entire team is responding to a fresh manger and staff.


Absolutely - I'm not suggesting that Collins should still be here or that I wanted that. It was time for a change. 1000%.

I just think Callaway has a ton of options right now because the team is really healthy.

Collins barely ever had options last year because basically EVERYONE was hurt. Mickey wouldn't have been able to to do much of anything with that, either. I don't think any manager could.

That said, the biggest difference is that Mickey is creating a much more versatile culture. He's using players in all types of roles and situations - which is a great thing to do when you keep winning, because it gives these guys experience in all different situations. This type of thing pays huge dividends later on in the year.

Collins was too rigid, I think that was his major fault. He had his guys and his way of doing things and that was that.
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ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 10:09 pm : link
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Hopefully, Plawecki is ok. I could actually see Sandy trading for Realmuto this summer. We have a great team and not many weaknesses. That would be a huge move.



As long as the price isn't crazy, and plaw misses any time, it's a move that needs to be made,. Sooner than later



Problem is trades generally arent made this early. No matter what we offer, the Fish can be patient and shop our deal to other teams to see if anyone else bites. It's not ideal. There's a reason like 90% of all trades go down the last few days before the deadline.



Agree, but his price is as low as Shecky insinuated, he'd be worth an overpay (assuming his back checks out and its not an absurd price)


I seriously would offer Gimenez. Gimenez is uber talented but the kid is still a bit away and raw. He barely cracked top 100 lists coming into this season. It's not like your parting with an untouchable piece PLUS we have Rosario. Wouldnt think twice.
Not bad considering Thor and deGrom were "off"  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 10:13 pm : link
"First turn ever for the Fab 5: mets are 5-0, 3.10 ERA, 7BBs, 28Ks"
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Vanzetti : 4/11/2018 10:21 pm : link
In comment 13910372 steve in ky said:
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Callaway has been outstanding - and I am thrilled he's here, I think he's a better manager than Collins so far.

BUT - if Callaway loses as many players as Collins did last year and in 2016, I'm pretty sure the results wouldn't be a whole lot different.

This team is very healthy right now. That is playing a major role in this start.



I don't think Sandy ever intended for Collins to manage as long as he did. He was a great option given the state of the Mets when they hired him but then the guys kept playing hard for him, Wright was strongly in his corner, and he managed them to the WS, so he kind of earned more time.

But this change was needed and I think the entire team is responding to a fresh manger and staff.


Wright talked sandy out of firing Collins in August 2014
A big NO  
Shecky : 4/11/2018 10:23 pm : link
To Gimenez for J.T.
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NewBlue : 4/11/2018 10:31 pm : link
I want to see how the team reacts to the inevitable adversity of a losing streak. Not wishing for anything just want to see their mettle.
I have faith in Toddfather’s  
spike : 4/11/2018 10:32 pm : link
Clubhouse leadership
SHECKY  
CMicks3110 : 4/11/2018 10:39 pm : link
why not? That seems fair? What do you think it would take to get him?
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ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 10:39 pm : link
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To Gimenez for J.T.


What's a realistic package look like then? lol. You already said "less". :)
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ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 10:43 pm : link
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I want to see how the team reacts to the inevitable adversity of a losing streak. Not wishing for anything just want to see their mettle.


The weird thing is... how much worse could we do from a player standpoint? Until the Wheeler start tonight no starter has been dominant. They have all been shaky including Thor and deGrom. Our best hitter has been ice cold and battling the flu. Conforto missed 5 games. We had to send Nimmo down because the pen is so taxed. The pen is missing it's best setup man. We have been getting big hits from guys like Frazier, Cabrera, and Flores but are we really even remotely hot yet? Seems like we are just grinding out wins in spite of being ice cold. What happens when this team heats up?
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2018 10:48 pm : link
We will hit a rough patch sooner or later - believe that.

We will probably lose 4-5 games in a row at some point. It's going to happen.

BUT. (And Mickey touched on this in his postgame) I think it's really been huge for the team to win this way early on - because it reinforces the idea that they should never hang their heads and that they're always alive.

There's a culture forming here that will bode well for when things get dicey.

Todd Frazier is going to be invaluable when we hit rough patches. The things he said tonight about accountability and no "me" players tonight - the guy is just such a pro. And it's sad that I'm so excited about this because it's something you should always have in your clubhouse. But unfortunately, this team has been missing players like this for a long time and he was sorely needed here.

Kudos to the FO for understanding that and addressing it.

I didn't give credit for it at the time - but it's evident now as to why it was done and I certainly think they deserve some praise for that.
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CMicks3110 : 4/11/2018 10:51 pm : link
our strength appears to be our depth, and our bullpen right now. We have played two series against the phillies and marlins, so i wouldn't go overboard. The 10 wins gives us a big cushion. But I don't think we're as good as our record is yet. I have my doubts about Harvey as an effective 3-4 starter, I think we've been more clutch than could be expected to continue. I DO think Lugo/Gsellman in the pen is having a very significant impact on this team. I also think Nimmo has to be back on this roster as soon as possible. I am really curious where Sandy makes moves down the line. I think we almost have to trade for an established catcher at some point. And if we're gunning for a deep run in the playoffs, I think we're going to need a strong #3 unless Matz/Harvey/Wheeler develop into one. Interesting summer ahead.
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ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 11:00 pm : link
In comment 13910432 CMicks3110 said:
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our strength appears to be our depth, and our bullpen right now. We have played two series against the phillies and marlins, so i wouldn't go overboard. The 10 wins gives us a big cushion. But I don't think we're as good as our record is yet. I have my doubts about Harvey as an effective 3-4 starter, I think we've been more clutch than could be expected to continue. I DO think Lugo/Gsellman in the pen is having a very significant impact on this team. I also think Nimmo has to be back on this roster as soon as possible. I am really curious where Sandy makes moves down the line. I think we almost have to trade for an established catcher at some point. And if we're gunning for a deep run in the playoffs, I think we're going to need a strong #3 unless Matz/Harvey/Wheeler develop into one. Interesting summer ahead.


No team is as good as a 10-1 record. lol. That's like a .900 winning percentage. All Im saying is this team is loaded with talented players that arent playing well yet. We've basically been grinding and eeking out wins. I dont want to hear about the Marlins or Phillies either. Both teams put wins on the board against teams like the Cubs and we also beat the shit out of the Nats and Cardinals which are quality. Its hard to sweep ANY team in MLB. Obviosuly, we arent going to be playing at a 10-1 pace all year. All Im saying is this doesn't feel like a team playing over its head talent wise at all. It actually feels like its underachieving. And the pen is no joke. If Familia, Swarzak, Ramos, Gsellman, and Lugo stay healthy that pen will be lights out all year.
I m glad  
spike : 4/11/2018 11:01 pm : link
Eiland brought his KC Royals philosophy to this team.

Small ball, baserunning and bullpen win games. Much more than Homeruns alone
Dominic Smith with 2 doubles and a home run  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 11:02 pm : link
so far tonight. Man what a great problem to have at 1B brewing.
Mets r on pace for a  
spike : 4/11/2018 11:02 pm : link
147-15 record

Realmuto isn't a difference maker relative to the prospect trade cost  
Eric on Li : 4/11/2018 11:07 pm : link
would much rather roll the dice on a veteran like Lucroy and not give up prospects. I am all for adding guys who are tough outs at the plate and play good D, but giving up one of the few premium prospects in the system for a .280 hitter who has never had more than 65 rbis (at any level) seems like a mistake. I know the catcher position sucks, but that wouldn't change the fact that he'd be hitting 7th or 8th in this lineup most nights.
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JayBinQueens : 4/11/2018 11:08 pm : link
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147-15 record

15 loses? Slackers
RE: Dominic Smith with 2 doubles and a home run  
Shecky : 4/11/2018 11:24 pm : link
In comment 13910449 ZGiants98 said:
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so far tonight. Man what a great problem to have at 1B brewing.

Anyone find Nimmo?
shecky  
CMicks3110 : 4/11/2018 11:41 pm : link
why no gimenez for realmuto?
RE: Realmuto isn't a difference maker relative to the prospect trade cost  
ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 11:47 pm : link
In comment 13910455 Eric on Li said:
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would much rather roll the dice on a veteran like Lucroy and not give up prospects. I am all for adding guys who are tough outs at the plate and play good D, but giving up one of the few premium prospects in the system for a .280 hitter who has never had more than 65 rbis (at any level) seems like a mistake. I know the catcher position sucks, but that wouldn't change the fact that he'd be hitting 7th or 8th in this lineup most nights.


Oh man. We are back to evaluating players on batting average and RBIs? Lucroy has been awful for over a year now. Realmuto is 27 years old coming off back to 3.5+ fWAR seasons. Lucroy is arguably a top 3 catcher in the sport if healthy. I know you love Lucroy but....

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ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 11:48 pm : link
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so far tonight. Man what a great problem to have at 1B brewing.


Anyone find Nimmo?


Oh man. You are scaring me. lol
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ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 11:49 pm : link
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would much rather roll the dice on a veteran like Lucroy and not give up prospects. I am all for adding guys who are tough outs at the plate and play good D, but giving up one of the few premium prospects in the system for a .280 hitter who has never had more than 65 rbis (at any level) seems like a mistake. I know the catcher position sucks, but that wouldn't change the fact that he'd be hitting 7th or 8th in this lineup most nights.



Oh man. We are back to evaluating players on batting average and RBIs? Lucroy has been awful for over a year now. Realmuto is 27 years old coming off back to 3.5+ fWAR seasons. Lucroy is arguably a top 3 catcher in the sport if healthy. I know you love Lucroy but....


Supposed to say "Realmuto" is a top 3 catcher if healthy.
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CMicks3110 : 4/11/2018 11:50 pm : link
what do you think is a fair offer for realmuto? and do you expect the marlins to move him this summer?
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ZGiants98 : 4/11/2018 11:56 pm : link
In comment 13910506 CMicks3110 said:
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what do you think is a fair offer for realmuto? and do you expect the marlins to move him this summer?


Sure I could see them moving him. He has no place in their rebuild. Plus he wants out. I just assumed he would cost a lot since he has years of control left. Shecky says less Ill believe him though.
Mets on pace to go 147-15  
ZGiants98 : 4/12/2018 12:09 am : link
lol
Realmuto is the one trade asset the Marlins haven't been in a rush  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/12/2018 12:24 am : link
to sell off. I don't think it's going to be cheap to get him, or he would have been moved in the initial firesale with everyone else. He doesn't make any money yet and he's young enough to claim they're building around.
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