said Jackson didn't get along well with anyone in their organization - if he was unhappy there, I can't imagine how miserable he'll be here. He's also had a bunch of locker room issues dating back to his playing days. More of a preacher than an Xs and Os guy, too. I think it speaks volumes that he hasn't sniffed a job since Golden State, given how good his record was there - the league has stayed far away from him. I don't want to be the team that gambles.
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I think he is a good coach but there is a lot of stuff out there about how he fought with management and how he pushes his faith on players, just don't think it will play well in new york
a good group to be choosing from, but there are some concerns.
Jackson is a hard pass from me. Everyone hated him and the team immediately improved once he left.
Fizdale people seem to like, but I was never super impressed when listening to him on ESPN, and he really only had one good year. After the year he also got into a huge power struggle with his star player and got the boot. Red flags all over the place.
Stackhouse is high risk high reward for me. Very little track record, but he seems to be well respected and has had success.
Blatt has won everywhere he has gone. He seems to me to make a lot of sense with maybe Stack in the Rambis role if he'd take it.
he was the best point guard in basketball, and when Ewing demurred, he admitted something to the effect of, "OK, Magic, but I'm second". To get fired after a successful year at Golden State says a lot about the guy.
RE: Jackson's an egotistical ass. I recall him saying to Ewing that
he was the best point guard in basketball, and when Ewing demurred, he admitted something to the effect of, "OK, Magic, but I'm second". To get fired after a successful year at Golden State says a lot about the guy.
It was actually Rick Pitino (another asshole) who made that ridiculous comment.
improve their roster, it doesnt matter whom they choose to be their HC. The Knicks have been losing because of their players, not their coaches . If the Giants arent careful, they will turn into the Knicks l, if the transformation hasnt already occurred .
From above , you dont want Jackson , who fights with everybody, but you consider Blatt? Strange .
improve their roster, it doesnt matter whom they choose to be their HC. The Knicks have been losing because of their players, not their coaches . If the Giants arent careful, they will turn into the Knicks l, if the transformation hasnt already occurred .
From above , you dont want Jackson , who fights with everybody, but you consider Blatt? Strange .
Blatt fought with lebron, you realize lebron wanted spoelstra fired as well who is one of the best coaches in the nba...
especially if you are of the belief that this organization needs someone to come in and make things uncomfortable.
I'm not advocating coming in and getting involved in matters of one's faith, I'm just saying, if I believe the guy knows basketball, a little rigidity and toughness can go a long way. Are we worried about hurting Porz's feelings?
RE: The Knicks are actually an ideal fit for Jackson
especially if you are of the belief that this organization needs someone to come in and make things uncomfortable.
I'm not advocating coming in and getting involved in matters of one's faith, I'm just saying, if I believe the guy knows basketball, a little rigidity and toughness can go a long way. Are we worried about hurting Porz's feelings?
He's super religious, fine. As long as he's not beating someone's knuckles with a ruler like the old nuns used to. Who cares?
Chris,
Multiple reports he pitted the religious players against those who wouldn't buy in. Would use religion as part of his coaching and also apparently supported a "bullying" locker room in which he would hand pick targets. No thank you.
""Kerr overhauled a team culture that had grown poisonous, for well-documented reasons, under Jackson and his assistants. In his zeal to motivate players, Jackson fostered resentment among them and toward the front office. He fired two assistants, requested Jerry West stay away from practices, and asked a younger front-office official to stop rebounding for players, sources have said.
When Festus Ezeli was injured last season, Jackson and his staff told the healthy players that Ezeli was cheering against them so that he would look good, according to several team sources. Players confronted Ezeli in a meeting, and he wept at the accusation which he denied.""
""In the end, here was the problem for Klutch Sports' original plan: Cleveland refused to hire Jackson. General manager David Griffin is too well-connected in the NBA, too knowledgeable of the truths inside Jackson's Warriors regime to let that happen."
If you think the head coach is what's wrong with this organization
brought in for an interview it would be a huge red flag that this front office doesn't know what they're doing. As for Hornacek - yes having the two best players on the team miss significant time didn't help but I just couldn't get behind a guy that had us running a stone age offense.
brought in for an interview it would be a huge red flag that this front office doesn't know what they're doing. As for Hornacek - yes having the two best players on the team miss significant time didn't help but I just couldn't get behind a guy that had us running a stone age offense.
He is goin to be interviewed I don't think there is any question about that...
hand stuff but was told by a writer that Jackson has tons of enemies around the league. That a perspective job opening had a team calling asking about him and the negative comments were above and beyond. They called ex-teammates too and a HOF teammate called him a "snake" and one of his least favorite ex-teammates.
I would offer him a blank check. But if he leaves for the pros he's going to have his choice of several jobs...and if you have your choice of jobs why would you take this job?
since Van Gundy resigned. If they brought him back, I would be back "big time." Loved him as a coach, love him as an announcer, and it would be finally a person in that organization that you could get behind and root for. I doubt it will happen, but if it does I am back.
since Van Gundy resigned. If they brought him back, I would be back "big time." Loved him as a coach, love him as an announcer, and it would be finally a person in that organization that you could get behind and root for. I doubt it will happen, but if it does I am back.
Did you love the way he up and quit on the team a month into the season?
he'll be playing for his fourth coach in four years. Gotta love this franchise. Maybe we'll get it right this time - Fisher, Rambis and Hornacek are about as bad as it gets.
since Van Gundy resigned. If they brought him back, I would be back "big time." Loved him as a coach, love him as an announcer, and it would be finally a person in that organization that you could get behind and root for. I doubt it will happen, but if it does I am back.
Did you love the way he up and quit on the team a month into the season?
Yes, I did. He was burnt out, if I remember correctly. He is a human being and we can all relate to that. And, didn't he actually sit out a year before going to Houston, I can't remember, but I always thought he did--which would support the theory that he had burnt out
van Gundy??? Why do you want guy who hasn't coached
I don't follow the NBA much anymore, and I admit my selection is from the heart and not the head, but I saw the list that they had published of candidates and none of them seemed to me to be more appealing than VG, even if he had been out of coaching for 11 years.
1) Does Kanter come back? Do they want him back at his likely price? If not, who plays center?
2) Does Beasley get re-signed?
3) What do they do with Mudiay? I'm assuming Frank stays at pg with Burke, with Hardaway, Lee and Dotson at the two. That's a lot of slots.
4) Whither in the draft? It seems to come down, strangely, to a pg or Wendell Carter or one of the sfs, most likely Mikhail Bridges. If they keep Kanter or find another center, adding a quality SF, getting KP back and seeing Frank mature physically creates a significantly stronger team. Not contending, but at least competitive--with the right coach.
I really believe that with two more summers for strengthening, learning and working on the 3, and one more NBA season, Frank could be pretty dazzling.
They phased him out a bit down the stretch and probably should've already traded him. That should break the logjam. Frank, Burke, Hardaway and Dotson should get most of the guard minutes. Baker and Mudiay are afterthoughts - dump them, cut them, bench them...whatever.
I'd be shocked if we drafted something other than a forward - either of the Bridges or Knox.
1) Does Kanter come back? Do they want him back at his likely price? If not, who plays center?
2) Does Beasley get re-signed?
3) What do they do with Mudiay? I'm assuming Frank stays at pg with Burke, with Hardaway, Lee and Dotson at the two. That's a lot of slots.
4) Whither in the draft? It seems to come down, strangely, to a pg or Wendell Carter or one of the sfs, most likely Mikhail Bridges. If they keep Kanter or find another center, adding a quality SF, getting KP back and seeing Frank mature physically creates a significantly stronger team. Not contending, but at least competitive--with the right coach.
I really believe that with two more summers for strengthening, learning and working on the 3, and one more NBA season, Frank could be pretty dazzling.
1.) I hope not (unless takes a STEEP discount, not happening). They have 3 picks and if he leaves, plenty of cap space/exceptions. Not hard to find a 5 in the NBA.
2.) Doesn't make sense to bring Beasley back.
3.) GIven up hope on Mudiay. Just let him play the season out and let him walk. Maybe get lucky and get a late 2nd rounder or throw him in as a "sweetener" in some deal.
4.) Pick a 3/5. A PG doesn't make too much sense (both in context of BPA and need).
Logic dictates he's opting in, but who knows? I'd love to see him go. I have no issue trying to squeeze a little more out of Noah in that scenario, now that Hornacek's a goner.
from Bama. Some coaches are already in their dream jobs. I think Wright's wife is from Philly, maybe even a Nova grad? And he makes more money than he can spend, has a great recruiting platform, and is idolized. Why leave that for a shitshow like the Knicks?
Not that he'd be a bad fit, just that I don't see it happening.
from Bama. Some coaches are already in their dream jobs. I think Wright's wife is from Philly, maybe even a Nova grad? And he makes more money than he can spend, has a great recruiting platform, and is idolized. Why leave that for a shitshow like the Knicks?
Not that he'd be a bad fit, just that I don't see it happening.
I don't think he's coming to the Knicks - but I don't think it's out of the question that one or more NBA teams offer to double his salary. He's not exactly a young guy so maybe he looks to cash in while he can. If he fails in the NBA, he can always go back to college and have his pick of top jobs.
Options. Take it for what its worth, but it Is well know in NBA circles that players hate Doc Rivers and think he is a bad coach, but even worse a very lazy coach. Apparently the guy likes the golf course a little too much. Also have heard the same as others on Mark Jackson. While I love Van Gubdy as a coach, the game has changed so much and he is 10 years older now. I think for a rebuild a younger coach that can relate more to younger players. Whether you like them or not millennials as a whole are such a different group of people. I think its import to be able to relate to them to be successful. Jay Wright is the clear favorite for me. I have always liked him as a coach and you can tel by how hard his players play how much they respect him.
but there is a shit load of bad chatter on Action Jackson's overall history with the NBA, notably his tenure in GS:
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You want it in chronological order? I don't have the full list (there's just way too much stuff to remember off the top of my head), but here goes.
Staged a coup of John Stockton while he was on the Jazz, causing Stockton to retire.
Cheated on his wife with a stripper, then getting blackmailed by the prostitute + some other guy, while at the same time being a born-again pastor
Bristled at Mike Malone being the assistant coach under him (ownership wanted him to be the Associate Head Coach, like Gentry was with Kerr, but when Jackson found out he said NO WAY
Didn't let assistant coaches do interviews with press because he thought they were gunning for his job
Pushed Malone out because Jackson thought Malone was gunning for his job
Ran ISO-ball all the time
Instilled a "us vs them" where the "them" was the entire front office. He would tell the players that the front office didn't want them to win so that Mark Jackson would look bad. C'mon that's lunacy
Barred Jerry West and Jim Barnett (the beloved TV color guy) along with everyone else from practices so they couldn't hear the crazy shit he said to the team
Told the team Ezeli was rooting for them to lose so that Ezeli would look better (he was injured). This culminated in Ezeli in tears saying that there was no way he would do this, when confronted by the team
Told the team that Harrison Barnes was possessed by a demon, which is why he regressed
Darren Erman, the assistant responsible for the defense after Mike Malone left, was recording Mark Jackson surreptitiously to try and capture the crazy shit like the Harrison Barnes demon thing and the Ezeli thing, but was caught and fired
Noted homophobe, including the "I'll pray for him" when discussing Jason Collins coming out. This doesn't fly in the bay area when a lot of the team staff is gay and so is the front office, including the COO/President Rick Welts
Didn't want to hire actual good assistants, instead, he hired yes-men like Pete Myers and Lindsay Hunter, who backstabbed Alvin Gentry in Phoenix to get the head job
All the coaching staff were allying themselves with star players instead of the players who actually needed their help/development, so a lot players like Barnes didn't get the development time and help they needed
He put players against each other, telling a star player "hey that bench thinks he's better than you" and then telling the bench guy "hey that star guy thinks you're shit, go take his job"
Didn't get along with anyone in the front office, including Jerry West, Bob Myers, and actually the rest of the employees (marketing, PR, etc)
No preparation. He said in the Clippers series that he didn't need to prepare extra hours, when Doc Rivers was up all night devising schemes
Not to mention that he was just a really horrible coach. I'm sure I left out a lot of stuff.
Edit: I see you guys asking for a source on the Barnes Demon thing. One source is a message board post where a guy said he talked to Darren Erman in a bar, and Erman told him the story. The second (the one I personally believe) source is a Warriors reporter telling me this personally. I can't give you guys proof of this since he told it to me, so you'll have to take it w/ a grain of salt. I don't expect you guys to trust some random guy's word online, so make of it what you will. But to me that's 2 sources (one personal, which makes it more believable to me).
I forgot some more post-coaching shitty things he did:
Saying rim protectors are obsolete, which threw shade on Bogut, and then saying Deandre Jordan was the DPOY (over Draymond) because of his rim protection
Wanting to take credit for Kerr's success talking about caterpillars and butterflies
Saying Curry was not the MVP, which is fair, but not what you expect someone to say when Curry went to bat to keep Jackson's job. Maybe thought Curry didn't try hard enough, which is bullshit since Curry tried very hard and stumped for Jackson personally
Saying Curry was ruining the game
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The three big ones I've read about are (1) he's a religious zealot; and (2) execs hid the news he got caught with a hooker; and (3) his ego kept him from taking any criticism.
He's a preacher. On Sunday's, even on the road he would find church's to preach at. This caused problems in the locker room because when games fell on Sunday's there were two team buses. One for the guys who would listen to him preach and the other bus for the rest of the guys. He also was involved in pre game prayer. I guess a lot of stadiums have do signaled pre game prayer rooms where guys from both teams show up. Also became a decisive issue. Also was supposedly part of starting the clippers rivalry (shit going down in the prayer room pregame).
Pretty legit tumors that despite his preacher/Christian persona he got caught with a hooker on the road. Somehow management was able to keep it out of the news cycle.
After hooker incident team execs really lost patience with his preacher bullshit. Jackson then started getting very paranoid to the point that assistants thought he was bugging their offices. Jackson refused to allow The Logo to show up to practices. Finally his offense was just horrendous. He was a great motivator but terrible
Nick Nurse. He's a good coach with a proven record. He isn't a media grab, so that's a plus. He's the man behind Toronto Raptors offensive game these past few years.
Stackhouse? Really? Why?
And no thanks to JVG. He's the Bill Cowher of the NBA.
Nick Nurse. He's a good coach with a proven record. He isn't a media grab, so that's a plus. He's the man behind Toronto Raptors offensive game these past few years.
Stackhouse? Really? Why?
And no thanks to JVG. He's the Bill Cowher of the NBA.
The rebuild didn't even start until the KP pick and then it had to wait another year because they no picks or space. The rebuild really truly began last year with the Frank draft.
I know it's hard to let go of the past but to me what happened 5 years ago doesn't apply anymore. Knicks seem to be taking the long game approach and have plenty of picks and some nice building blocks, notably KP, who will be back.
I don't see doom and gloom with this franchise going forward. They finally have resources to work with and a great young player. They don't even have to be perfect here the next 2 years in order to build a legit team with staying power. If they hit doubles in the draft and signed one good max over the next 2 years, they will be fine.
This is the biggest decision the KNicks will make over the next few years. Bring in the right coach.
anyone who thinks differently has never worked with, for or around someone like Dolan. He have to get an upgrade to be a cancer. He's more like a permanent plague.
Doesn't make that much for a college coach- 2.5mill year. Why not offer him a 5 year deal for 40-50 million? He also has NYC ties. I think he would a home run pick but I'm not sure the Knicks are attractive enough for him.
RE: The owner is essential to a winning organzation
anyone who thinks differently has never worked with, for or around someone like Dolan. He have to get an upgrade to be a cancer. He's more like a permanent plague.
Of course, but the Rangers have been just fine with Dolan as the owner. And I know Dolan spends the money, that's an important attribute. He also seems to be staying away the last few years.
Nick Nurse. He's a good coach with a proven record. He isn't a media grab, so that's a plus. He's the man behind Toronto Raptors offensive game these past few years.
Stackhouse? Really? Why?
maybe read up on Stackhouse and what he's been doing since he retired.
But it does seem -much more- a pure BPA proposition than football. Great player driven.
Much more. Well, you cannot predict the draft.
So, really, you cannot predict team style or system. Ergo you need a real savvy nuts and bolts practical veteran coach who can do it all rather than be wedded to any particular system. Probably an old cruster. Maybe not. For the next few years. Until you see what you have.
Nick Nurse. He's a good coach with a proven record. He isn't a media grab, so that's a plus. He's the man behind Toronto Raptors offensive game these past few years.
Stackhouse? Really? Why?
maybe read up on Stackhouse and what he's been doing since he retired.
anyone who thinks differently has never worked with, for or around someone like Dolan. He have to get an upgrade to be a cancer. He's more like a permanent plague.
Dolans issue is he gets involved and pushes for quick fixes, otherwise he spends money when his teams asks, he spent millions on crappy teams that Isiah built, he is currently paying 2 head coaches for the knicks...
You can say he is to loyal to his guys..
But how have the rangers been good if dolan is such a shot owner?
RE: RE: The owner is essential to a winning organzation
But how have the rangers been good if dolan is such a shot owner?
For one thing, he has never been as involved with the Rangers as he was with the Knicks. For another, much as I dislike Glen Sather, he is nowhere near as incompetent as Isiah and Mills. For a third, the Rangers had a few major strokes of luck. They picked up Jagr as a salary dump at the end of the no-cap era and he gave them some terrific years. They hit the jackpot with a 6th round pick named Henrik Lundqvist. The lockout gave them a chance to restart without the burden of some horrific contracts in a way the Knicks never had.
But how have the rangers been good if dolan is such a shot owner?
For one thing, he has never been as involved with the Rangers as he was with the Knicks. For another, much as I dislike Glen Sather, he is nowhere near as incompetent as Isiah and Mills. For a third, the Rangers had a few major strokes of luck. They picked up Jagr as a salary dump at the end of the no-cap era and he gave them some terrific years. They hit the jackpot with a 6th round pick named Henrik Lundqvist. The lockout gave them a chance to restart without the burden of some horrific contracts in a way the Knicks never had.
BINGO! Dolan actually thinks he knows something about basketball and he is interested in it. He doesn't care about hockey. Thankfully.
The lockout is all that saved Slats. That and MTL being dumb enough to trade for Scott Gomez. He was a total disaster to that point. Remember, he actually chose to trade for Lindros rather than pay up for Jagr in his prime. And OOF those awful contracts.
RE: RE: RE: The owner is essential to a winning organzation
But how have the rangers been good if dolan is such a shot owner?
For one thing, he has never been as involved with the Rangers as he was with the Knicks. For another, much as I dislike Glen Sather, he is nowhere near as incompetent as Isiah and Mills. For a third, the Rangers had a few major strokes of luck. They picked up Jagr as a salary dump at the end of the no-cap era and he gave them some terrific years. They hit the jackpot with a 6th round pick named Henrik Lundqvist. The lockout gave them a chance to restart without the burden of some horrific contracts in a way the Knicks never had.
But greg that is exactly my point, his biggest issue was he was to involved with the jnicks...
If you believe Perry and mills, dolan has told them he is willing to be patient..
Ha! Well, I've given up on ever getting rid of Mills. Hopefully he trusts Perry enough to defer here and there. Sounds like they're into analytics, so maybe the numbers will spit out some good ideas.
All in all, I've been OK with the Mills/Perry pairing so far. My only gripe is with the Hernangomez trade - we should be hoarding young, cost-controlled guys with any potential, especially when the futures of Kanter, KOQ and Noah are very much in flux, and KP is out for half of next season. If nothing else, he was cheap labor. Still don't like the Timmy signing but that was before Perry could talk him out of it.
He's why the Knicks are what they are. As far as the Rangers go they followed the exact same script as the Knicks until they got the break of a lifetime with the lockout/buyout reset and almost won a championship. But they fell short and then went right back to doing business like the Knicks, trading away all their draft picks and young players for washed up names that ruined what they built. You think that was a coincidence? Now MSG will be dark in the playoff spring for a long time for both teams.
Ha! Well, I've given up on ever getting rid of Mills. Hopefully he trusts Perry enough to defer here and there. Sounds like they're into analytics, so maybe the numbers will spit out some good ideas.
All in all, I've been OK with the Mills/Perry pairing so far. My only gripe is with the Hernangomez trade - we should be hoarding young, cost-controlled guys with any potential, especially when the futures of Kanter, KOQ and Noah are very much in flux, and KP is out for half of next season. If nothing else, he was cheap labor. Still don't like the Timmy signing but that was before Perry could talk him out of it.
don't forget the Baker contract. Almost a year later and I still can't wrap my head around it. It's obviously not a mega disaster like Noah's deal, but everything about it is nonsensical. There's not another team in the league that would have given him that deal with that structure.
the Rangers, which he also owns. That's probably because he put all of his eggs in the Sather basket and stepped away. He wanted to do that with Phil Jackson, but it imploded. Fortunately, they still have their picks, some young talent and don't mind paying people off if things don't work out.
I was encouraged that when Mills pulled off his coup, he
But how have the rangers been good if dolan is such a shot owner?
For one thing, he has never been as involved with the Rangers as he was with the Knicks. For another, much as I dislike Glen Sather, he is nowhere near as incompetent as Isiah and Mills. For a third, the Rangers had a few major strokes of luck. They picked up Jagr as a salary dump at the end of the no-cap era and he gave them some terrific years. They hit the jackpot with a 6th round pick named Henrik Lundqvist. The lockout gave them a chance to restart without the burden of some horrific contracts in a way the Knicks never had.
All you did was provide reasons why Dolan didn't destroy the Rangers. Facts are, he didn't. We know why.
The Knicks need great players. I don't think Dolan is necessarily preventing the Knicks from getting great players, at least not now he isn't. Knicks need to stay the course and add talent whenever possible.
Well, there is that...now we have to hope and pray that Mills and Perry know wtf they are doing. Mainly, these guys have to hire the right HC for this franchise.
I don't think things are as dark as they were 7 years or 10 years or 15 years ago. There's a light at the end of the tunnel but this franchise can still fuck things up. Hopefully they don't.
Even if they stay in the lottery for a a few more years and become your typical losing team that hits on some picks, misses on others, and takes its lumps while guys like Frank and whoever develop - that would still be an improvement over the drama we've had here. As long as they stay away from dumb moves like Rose, Noah, no-trade clauses, etc.
Its sinplistic and probably unfair but the Knicks will go as far as KP takes them. We arent drafting a legend over the next few years and likely wont land a legend in FA or trade. KP could be a legendary player if things go our way.
Hit doubles in the draft and FA and pray KP is a future HOFer. Thats our hope.
Little known fact that Wright had a deal in place to go to Boston College 4 years ago. Terms settled and all that - Jay Wrights wife thought it over and told him she wasnt moving away from philly. She is from there and went to nova law school. Now nyc is closer and the knicks would offer more than bc (which i heads was about mil over what he was getting) so there is that. Just pointing out there are very strong family roots to that area.
would make 2-3x what he is making at Villanova. I get that he may like it there, but he has nowhere else to go and this is a unique opportunity for him.
Little known fact that Wright had a deal in place to go to Boston College 4 years ago. Terms settled and all that - Jay Wrights wife thought it over and told him she wasnt moving away from philly. She is from there and went to nova law school. Now nyc is closer and the knicks would offer more than bc (which i heads was about mil over what he was getting) so there is that. Just pointing out there are very strong family roots to that area.
I am sure dolan would offer the private jet to go back and forth whenever she wanted it
Dolan has said that he grew up loving hockey not basketball
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Steve Mills and Scott Perry appear to be bullish on rookie Frank Ntilikina. Heres how Mills described him today: We have the second youngest player in the NBA that can walk out on the floor today and feel like he can guard any perimeter player that he's (playing) against.
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Steve Mills and Scott Perry appear to be bullish on rookie Frank Ntilikina. Heres how Mills described him today: We have the second youngest player in the NBA that can walk out on the floor today and feel like he can guard any perimeter player that he's (playing) against.
so then why acquire Mudiay?
Because they took a chance on a 21 year old kid who they got for nothing?
wasn't "nothing" (wouldn't shock me if McDermott is still kicking around the league in 5-6 years and Mudiay is playing in Turkey). And how exactly are you supposed to develop 3 young point guards simultaneously? Especially when you have plenty of depth at shooting guard? All this did was push Frank off the ball for long stretches at a time. Player development!
wasn't "nothing" (wouldn't shock me if McDermott is still kicking around the league in 5-6 years and Mudiay is playing in Turkey). And how exactly are you supposed to develop 3 young point guards simultaneously? Especially when you have plenty of depth at shooting guard? All this did was push Frank off the ball for long stretches at a time. Player development!
Frank played as well as he did all year off ball.
McDermott is the definition of an average nba ballplayer
Things are looking up for the big city.
Out of curiosity, why are you against Jackson?
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And 1 more thing you in now if he is hired he is bringing mark jackson with him..
Bingo! Same old, same old.
If not, bring in Mark Jackson.
And can we stop blaming dolan, by all accounts he stays away now...
If not, bring in Mark Jackson.
No mark jackson
D League coach of the year
2x D-League champion
Coached and won 2 championships in Europe
Now in charge of the Raptors offense
Because he's not?
I think he is a good coach but there is a lot of stuff out there about how he fought with management and how he pushes his faith on players, just don't think it will play well in new york
definitely a viable option as head coach.
Jackson is a hard pass from me. Everyone hated him and the team immediately improved once he left.
Fizdale people seem to like, but I was never super impressed when listening to him on ESPN, and he really only had one good year. After the year he also got into a huge power struggle with his star player and got the boot. Red flags all over the place.
Stackhouse is high risk high reward for me. Very little track record, but he seems to be well respected and has had success.
Blatt has won everywhere he has gone. He seems to me to make a lot of sense with maybe Stack in the Rambis role if he'd take it.
[quote] Unless the Knicks made some kind of run, new management are always going to look for their own coach..
And can we stop blaming dolan, by all accounts he stays away now... [/quot
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
It was actually Rick Pitino (another asshole) who made that ridiculous comment.
From above , you dont want Jackson , who fights with everybody, but you consider Blatt? Strange .
From above , you dont want Jackson , who fights with everybody, but you consider Blatt? Strange .
Blatt fought with lebron, you realize lebron wanted spoelstra fired as well who is one of the best coaches in the nba...
Hornacek was coaching to save his job by winning and at the expense of developing players
Hornacek was coaching to save his job by winning and at the expense of developing players
Did you see who was playing last night in the 4th?
I'm not advocating coming in and getting involved in matters of one's faith, I'm just saying, if I believe the guy knows basketball, a little rigidity and toughness can go a long way. Are we worried about hurting Porz's feelings?
I'm not advocating coming in and getting involved in matters of one's faith, I'm just saying, if I believe the guy knows basketball, a little rigidity and toughness can go a long way. Are we worried about hurting Porz's feelings?
Toughness is not the reason people don't want him
Supposedly he forced his players to go to church services and believe what he believed...
Also he had a terrible relationship with management, if he had a good relationship probably still be coaching the warriors..
There is a reason why he has not gotten a look since the warriors
Chris,
Multiple reports he pitted the religious players against those who wouldn't buy in. Would use religion as part of his coaching and also apparently supported a "bullying" locker room in which he would hand pick targets. No thank you.
When Festus Ezeli was injured last season, Jackson and his staff told the healthy players that Ezeli was cheering against them so that he would look good, according to several team sources. Players confronted Ezeli in a meeting, and he wept at the accusation which he denied.""
He is goin to be interviewed I don't think there is any question about that...
You can say the same thing about blatt though...
I do think mills and Perry have an idea on who they want, only reason to move this quickly
Courtney Lee had more blocked shots than Lance
In other words, the inevitable Knicks choice.
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Jackson would be a disaster. A true disaster.
In other words, the inevitable Knicks choice.
I think the only way he is hired is if he becomes an assistant with van gundy as head coach
Van Gundy? Of all of the insults the organization hurls at its fans, bringing back that quitter bitch would be the pinnacle.
But that's how it goes,Dolan wants this guy to succeed.
I think he is a fantastic coach, I always get nervous with hiring established college coaches
I would offer him a blank check. But if he leaves for the pros he's going to have his choice of several jobs...and if you have your choice of jobs why would you take this job?
Did you love the way he up and quit on the team a month into the season?
but do they fail a rate greater than guys that come up as assistants in the NBA or ex players?
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since Van Gundy resigned. If they brought him back, I would be back "big time." Loved him as a coach, love him as an announcer, and it would be finally a person in that organization that you could get behind and root for. I doubt it will happen, but if it does I am back.
Did you love the way he up and quit on the team a month into the season?
Yes, I did. He was burnt out, if I remember correctly. He is a human being and we can all relate to that. And, didn't he actually sit out a year before going to Houston, I can't remember, but I always thought he did--which would support the theory that he had burnt out
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There are certainly plenty of accomplished college coaches who flopped in the NBA.
but do they fail a rate greater than guys that come up as assistants in the NBA or ex players?
Don't know the answer...
If Jay Wright is hired I wont be angry, or anything like that, i wont think it is a bad hire, just nervous...
He is coaching again albeit on the team USA level and I believe it is under 19 guys
I don't follow the NBA much anymore, and I admit my selection is from the heart and not the head, but I saw the list that they had published of candidates and none of them seemed to me to be more appealing than VG, even if he had been out of coaching for 11 years.
2) Does Beasley get re-signed?
3) What do they do with Mudiay? I'm assuming Frank stays at pg with Burke, with Hardaway, Lee and Dotson at the two. That's a lot of slots.
4) Whither in the draft? It seems to come down, strangely, to a pg or Wendell Carter or one of the sfs, most likely Mikhail Bridges. If they keep Kanter or find another center, adding a quality SF, getting KP back and seeing Frank mature physically creates a significantly stronger team. Not contending, but at least competitive--with the right coach.
I really believe that with two more summers for strengthening, learning and working on the 3, and one more NBA season, Frank could be pretty dazzling.
But this team also needs a coach that isn't a puppet and actually lifts the Knicks up and give them some credibility...
I'd be shocked if we drafted something other than a forward - either of the Bridges or Knox.
2) Does Beasley get re-signed?
3) What do they do with Mudiay? I'm assuming Frank stays at pg with Burke, with Hardaway, Lee and Dotson at the two. That's a lot of slots.
4) Whither in the draft? It seems to come down, strangely, to a pg or Wendell Carter or one of the sfs, most likely Mikhail Bridges. If they keep Kanter or find another center, adding a quality SF, getting KP back and seeing Frank mature physically creates a significantly stronger team. Not contending, but at least competitive--with the right coach.
I really believe that with two more summers for strengthening, learning and working on the 3, and one more NBA season, Frank could be pretty dazzling.
1.) I hope not (unless takes a STEEP discount, not happening). They have 3 picks and if he leaves, plenty of cap space/exceptions. Not hard to find a 5 in the NBA.
2.) Doesn't make sense to bring Beasley back.
3.) GIven up hope on Mudiay. Just let him play the season out and let him walk. Maybe get lucky and get a late 2nd rounder or throw him in as a "sweetener" in some deal.
4.) Pick a 3/5. A PG doesn't make too much sense (both in context of BPA and need).
Not that he'd be a bad fit, just that I don't see it happening.
Not that he'd be a bad fit, just that I don't see it happening.
I don't think he's coming to the Knicks - but I don't think it's out of the question that one or more NBA teams offer to double his salary. He's not exactly a young guy so maybe he looks to cash in while he can. If he fails in the NBA, he can always go back to college and have his pick of top jobs.
I'm glad to see a real search though, not the Phil Jackson search of only triangle coaches.
I can't imagine Wright wants to leave Nova to work for Dolan.
Staged a coup of John Stockton while he was on the Jazz, causing Stockton to retire.
Cheated on his wife with a stripper, then getting blackmailed by the prostitute + some other guy, while at the same time being a born-again pastor
Bristled at Mike Malone being the assistant coach under him (ownership wanted him to be the Associate Head Coach, like Gentry was with Kerr, but when Jackson found out he said NO WAY
Didn't let assistant coaches do interviews with press because he thought they were gunning for his job
Pushed Malone out because Jackson thought Malone was gunning for his job
Ran ISO-ball all the time
Instilled a "us vs them" where the "them" was the entire front office. He would tell the players that the front office didn't want them to win so that Mark Jackson would look bad. C'mon that's lunacy
Barred Jerry West and Jim Barnett (the beloved TV color guy) along with everyone else from practices so they couldn't hear the crazy shit he said to the team
Told the team Ezeli was rooting for them to lose so that Ezeli would look better (he was injured). This culminated in Ezeli in tears saying that there was no way he would do this, when confronted by the team
Told the team that Harrison Barnes was possessed by a demon, which is why he regressed
Darren Erman, the assistant responsible for the defense after Mike Malone left, was recording Mark Jackson surreptitiously to try and capture the crazy shit like the Harrison Barnes demon thing and the Ezeli thing, but was caught and fired
Noted homophobe, including the "I'll pray for him" when discussing Jason Collins coming out. This doesn't fly in the bay area when a lot of the team staff is gay and so is the front office, including the COO/President Rick Welts
Didn't want to hire actual good assistants, instead, he hired yes-men like Pete Myers and Lindsay Hunter, who backstabbed Alvin Gentry in Phoenix to get the head job
All the coaching staff were allying themselves with star players instead of the players who actually needed their help/development, so a lot players like Barnes didn't get the development time and help they needed
He put players against each other, telling a star player "hey that bench thinks he's better than you" and then telling the bench guy "hey that star guy thinks you're shit, go take his job"
Didn't get along with anyone in the front office, including Jerry West, Bob Myers, and actually the rest of the employees (marketing, PR, etc)
No preparation. He said in the Clippers series that he didn't need to prepare extra hours, when Doc Rivers was up all night devising schemes
Not to mention that he was just a really horrible coach. I'm sure I left out a lot of stuff.
Edit: I see you guys asking for a source on the Barnes Demon thing. One source is a message board post where a guy said he talked to Darren Erman in a bar, and Erman told him the story. The second (the one I personally believe) source is a Warriors reporter telling me this personally. I can't give you guys proof of this since he told it to me, so you'll have to take it w/ a grain of salt. I don't expect you guys to trust some random guy's word online, so make of it what you will. But to me that's 2 sources (one personal, which makes it more believable to me).
I forgot some more post-coaching shitty things he did:
Saying rim protectors are obsolete, which threw shade on Bogut, and then saying Deandre Jordan was the DPOY (over Draymond) because of his rim protection
Wanting to take credit for Kerr's success talking about caterpillars and butterflies
Saying Curry was not the MVP, which is fair, but not what you expect someone to say when Curry went to bat to keep Jackson's job. Maybe thought Curry didn't try hard enough, which is bullshit since Curry tried very hard and stumped for Jackson personally
Saying Curry was ruining the game
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The three big ones I've read about are (1) he's a religious zealot; and (2) execs hid the news he got caught with a hooker; and (3) his ego kept him from taking any criticism.
He's a preacher. On Sunday's, even on the road he would find church's to preach at. This caused problems in the locker room because when games fell on Sunday's there were two team buses. One for the guys who would listen to him preach and the other bus for the rest of the guys. He also was involved in pre game prayer. I guess a lot of stadiums have do signaled pre game prayer rooms where guys from both teams show up. Also became a decisive issue. Also was supposedly part of starting the clippers rivalry (shit going down in the prayer room pregame).
Pretty legit tumors that despite his preacher/Christian persona he got caught with a hooker on the road. Somehow management was able to keep it out of the news cycle.
After hooker incident team execs really lost patience with his preacher bullshit. Jackson then started getting very paranoid to the point that assistants thought he was bugging their offices. Jackson refused to allow The Logo to show up to practices. Finally his offense was just horrendous. He was a great motivator but terrible
there are plenty of sauces...that's from reddit
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Stackhouse? Really? Why?
And no thanks to JVG. He's the Bill Cowher of the NBA.
From all accounts, Jackson is nuts.
Right, because (perceived) asshole slimy owners never win...or teams that never won will never win ever...
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Donald Sterling
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If mark jackson was white he would not be pushing for him
Stackhouse? Really? Why?
And no thanks to JVG. He's the Bill Cowher of the NBA.
Stackhouse is a legit up and coming coaching prospect. His G league teams have been the best defensive team both years he's been a coach, too. That's music to my ears.
Here's a good link about him with a really good mini documentary about him as well. - ( New Window )
The rebuild didn't even start until the KP pick and then it had to wait another year because they no picks or space. The rebuild really truly began last year with the Frank draft.
I know it's hard to let go of the past but to me what happened 5 years ago doesn't apply anymore. Knicks seem to be taking the long game approach and have plenty of picks and some nice building blocks, notably KP, who will be back.
I don't see doom and gloom with this franchise going forward. They finally have resources to work with and a great young player. They don't even have to be perfect here the next 2 years in order to build a legit team with staying power. If they hit doubles in the draft and signed one good max over the next 2 years, they will be fine.
This is the biggest decision the KNicks will make over the next few years. Bring in the right coach.
Of course, but the Rangers have been just fine with Dolan as the owner. And I know Dolan spends the money, that's an important attribute. He also seems to be staying away the last few years.
Stackhouse? Really? Why?
maybe read up on Stackhouse and what he's been doing since he retired.
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The fact that Stephen A. Smith is so obsessed with Jackson getting the job shows you how far SAS's head is up his own ass.
If mark jackson was white he would not be pushing for him
Yeah that's for sure.
But it does seem -much more- a pure BPA proposition than football. Great player driven.
Much more. Well, you cannot predict the draft.
So, really, you cannot predict team style or system. Ergo you need a real savvy nuts and bolts practical veteran coach who can do it all rather than be wedded to any particular system. Probably an old cruster. Maybe not. For the next few years. Until you see what you have.
Not a single clue who that is though.
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Nick Nurse. He's a good coach with a proven record. He isn't a media grab, so that's a plus. He's the man behind Toronto Raptors offensive game these past few years.
Stackhouse? Really? Why?
maybe read up on Stackhouse and what he's been doing since he retired.
Okay. Now what? Still rather have Nurse.
Right at the next lay off press conference
Dolans issue is he gets involved and pushes for quick fixes, otherwise he spends money when his teams asks, he spent millions on crappy teams that Isiah built, he is currently paying 2 head coaches for the knicks...
You can say he is to loyal to his guys..
But how have the rangers been good if dolan is such a shot owner?
For one thing, he has never been as involved with the Rangers as he was with the Knicks. For another, much as I dislike Glen Sather, he is nowhere near as incompetent as Isiah and Mills. For a third, the Rangers had a few major strokes of luck. They picked up Jagr as a salary dump at the end of the no-cap era and he gave them some terrific years. They hit the jackpot with a 6th round pick named Henrik Lundqvist. The lockout gave them a chance to restart without the burden of some horrific contracts in a way the Knicks never had.
Jim (Dolan) has given us the room to be patient....and that hasnt been common in the past here. - Steve Mills #Knicks
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But how have the rangers been good if dolan is such a shot owner?
For one thing, he has never been as involved with the Rangers as he was with the Knicks. For another, much as I dislike Glen Sather, he is nowhere near as incompetent as Isiah and Mills. For a third, the Rangers had a few major strokes of luck. They picked up Jagr as a salary dump at the end of the no-cap era and he gave them some terrific years. They hit the jackpot with a 6th round pick named Henrik Lundqvist. The lockout gave them a chance to restart without the burden of some horrific contracts in a way the Knicks never had.
BINGO! Dolan actually thinks he knows something about basketball and he is interested in it. He doesn't care about hockey. Thankfully.
The lockout is all that saved Slats. That and MTL being dumb enough to trade for Scott Gomez. He was a total disaster to that point. Remember, he actually chose to trade for Lindros rather than pay up for Jagr in his prime. And OOF those awful contracts.
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But how have the rangers been good if dolan is such a shot owner?
For one thing, he has never been as involved with the Rangers as he was with the Knicks. For another, much as I dislike Glen Sather, he is nowhere near as incompetent as Isiah and Mills. For a third, the Rangers had a few major strokes of luck. They picked up Jagr as a salary dump at the end of the no-cap era and he gave them some terrific years. They hit the jackpot with a 6th round pick named Henrik Lundqvist. The lockout gave them a chance to restart without the burden of some horrific contracts in a way the Knicks never had.
But greg that is exactly my point, his biggest issue was he was to involved with the jnicks...
If you believe Perry and mills, dolan has told them he is willing to be patient..
Now that all can chance
Ha! Well, I've given up on ever getting rid of Mills. Hopefully he trusts Perry enough to defer here and there. Sounds like they're into analytics, so maybe the numbers will spit out some good ideas.
All in all, I've been OK with the Mills/Perry pairing so far. My only gripe is with the Hernangomez trade - we should be hoarding young, cost-controlled guys with any potential, especially when the futures of Kanter, KOQ and Noah are very much in flux, and KP is out for half of next season. If nothing else, he was cheap labor. Still don't like the Timmy signing but that was before Perry could talk him out of it.
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patient with Steve Mills of all people. Lucky us.
Ha! Well, I've given up on ever getting rid of Mills. Hopefully he trusts Perry enough to defer here and there. Sounds like they're into analytics, so maybe the numbers will spit out some good ideas.
All in all, I've been OK with the Mills/Perry pairing so far. My only gripe is with the Hernangomez trade - we should be hoarding young, cost-controlled guys with any potential, especially when the futures of Kanter, KOQ and Noah are very much in flux, and KP is out for half of next season. If nothing else, he was cheap labor. Still don't like the Timmy signing but that was before Perry could talk him out of it.
don't forget the Baker contract. Almost a year later and I still can't wrap my head around it. It's obviously not a mega disaster like Noah's deal, but everything about it is nonsensical. There's not another team in the league that would have given him that deal with that structure.
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Enes Kanter says he's leaning toward opting out and hopes to sign a long-term deal to stay with the #Knicks.
I'll believe he's opting out when I see it.
Helps the tank next year and allows for more flexibility.
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Enes Kanter says he's leaning toward opting out and hopes to sign a long-term deal to stay with the #Knicks.
I'll believe he's opting out when I see it.
Kanter opting out would make up for the misfortune of the Knicks tanking somewhat properly and still landing at 9th.
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But how have the rangers been good if dolan is such a shot owner?
For one thing, he has never been as involved with the Rangers as he was with the Knicks. For another, much as I dislike Glen Sather, he is nowhere near as incompetent as Isiah and Mills. For a third, the Rangers had a few major strokes of luck. They picked up Jagr as a salary dump at the end of the no-cap era and he gave them some terrific years. They hit the jackpot with a 6th round pick named Henrik Lundqvist. The lockout gave them a chance to restart without the burden of some horrific contracts in a way the Knicks never had.
All you did was provide reasons why Dolan didn't destroy the Rangers. Facts are, he didn't. We know why.
The Knicks need great players. I don't think Dolan is necessarily preventing the Knicks from getting great players, at least not now he isn't. Knicks need to stay the course and add talent whenever possible.
If Kanter opts out, go get randle
Well, there is that...now we have to hope and pray that Mills and Perry know wtf they are doing. Mainly, these guys have to hire the right HC for this franchise.
I don't think things are as dark as they were 7 years or 10 years or 15 years ago. There's a light at the end of the tunnel but this franchise can still fuck things up. Hopefully they don't.
Hit doubles in the draft and FA and pray KP is a future HOFer. Thats our hope.
There's a lot of good FAs but not much money chasing them this offseason.
I am sure dolan would offer the private jet to go back and forth whenever she wanted it
Steve Mills and Scott Perry appear to be bullish on rookie Frank Ntilikina. Heres how Mills described him today: We have the second youngest player in the NBA that can walk out on the floor today and feel like he can guard any perimeter player that he's (playing) against.
so then why acquire Mudiay?
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Steve Mills and Scott Perry appear to be bullish on rookie Frank Ntilikina. Heres how Mills described him today: We have the second youngest player in the NBA that can walk out on the floor today and feel like he can guard any perimeter player that he's (playing) against.
so then why acquire Mudiay?
Because they took a chance on a 21 year old kid who they got for nothing?
Frank played as well as he did all year off ball.