The rebuild didn't even start until the KP pick and then it had to wait another year because they no picks or space. The rebuild really truly began last year with the Frank draft.
I know it's hard to let go of the past but to me what happened 5 years ago doesn't apply anymore. Knicks seem to be taking the long game approach and have plenty of picks and some nice building blocks, notably KP, who will be back.
I don't see doom and gloom with this franchise going forward. They finally have resources to work with and a great young player. They don't even have to be perfect here the next 2 years in order to build a legit team with staying power. If they hit doubles in the draft and signed one good max over the next 2 years, they will be fine.
This is the biggest decision the KNicks will make over the next few years. Bring in the right coach.
anyone who thinks differently has never worked with, for or around someone like Dolan. He have to get an upgrade to be a cancer. He's more like a permanent plague.
Doesn't make that much for a college coach- 2.5mill year. Why not offer him a 5 year deal for 40-50 million? He also has NYC ties. I think he would a home run pick but I'm not sure the Knicks are attractive enough for him.
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anyone who thinks differently has never worked with, for or around someone like Dolan. He have to get an upgrade to be a cancer. He's more like a permanent plague.
Of course, but the Rangers have been just fine with Dolan as the owner. And I know Dolan spends the money, that's an important attribute. He also seems to be staying away the last few years.
Nick Nurse. He's a good coach with a proven record. He isn't a media grab, so that's a plus. He's the man behind Toronto Raptors offensive game these past few years.
Stackhouse? Really? Why?
maybe read up on Stackhouse and what he's been doing since he retired.
But it does seem -much more- a pure BPA proposition than football. Great player driven.
Much more. Well, you cannot predict the draft.
So, really, you cannot predict team style or system. Ergo you need a real savvy nuts and bolts practical veteran coach who can do it all rather than be wedded to any particular system. Probably an old cruster. Maybe not. For the next few years. Until you see what you have.
Nick Nurse. He's a good coach with a proven record. He isn't a media grab, so that's a plus. He's the man behind Toronto Raptors offensive game these past few years.
Stackhouse? Really? Why?
maybe read up on Stackhouse and what he's been doing since he retired.
anyone who thinks differently has never worked with, for or around someone like Dolan. He have to get an upgrade to be a cancer. He's more like a permanent plague.
Dolans issue is he gets involved and pushes for quick fixes, otherwise he spends money when his teams asks, he spent millions on crappy teams that Isiah built, he is currently paying 2 head coaches for the knicks...
You can say he is to loyal to his guys..
But how have the rangers been good if dolan is such a shot owner?
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But how have the rangers been good if dolan is such a shot owner?
For one thing, he has never been as involved with the Rangers as he was with the Knicks. For another, much as I dislike Glen Sather, he is nowhere near as incompetent as Isiah and Mills. For a third, the Rangers had a few major strokes of luck. They picked up Jagr as a salary dump at the end of the no-cap era and he gave them some terrific years. They hit the jackpot with a 6th round pick named Henrik Lundqvist. The lockout gave them a chance to restart without the burden of some horrific contracts in a way the Knicks never had.
But how have the rangers been good if dolan is such a shot owner?
For one thing, he has never been as involved with the Rangers as he was with the Knicks. For another, much as I dislike Glen Sather, he is nowhere near as incompetent as Isiah and Mills. For a third, the Rangers had a few major strokes of luck. They picked up Jagr as a salary dump at the end of the no-cap era and he gave them some terrific years. They hit the jackpot with a 6th round pick named Henrik Lundqvist. The lockout gave them a chance to restart without the burden of some horrific contracts in a way the Knicks never had.
BINGO! Dolan actually thinks he knows something about basketball and he is interested in it. He doesn't care about hockey. Thankfully.
The lockout is all that saved Slats. That and MTL being dumb enough to trade for Scott Gomez. He was a total disaster to that point. Remember, he actually chose to trade for Lindros rather than pay up for Jagr in his prime. And OOF those awful contracts.
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But how have the rangers been good if dolan is such a shot owner?
For one thing, he has never been as involved with the Rangers as he was with the Knicks. For another, much as I dislike Glen Sather, he is nowhere near as incompetent as Isiah and Mills. For a third, the Rangers had a few major strokes of luck. They picked up Jagr as a salary dump at the end of the no-cap era and he gave them some terrific years. They hit the jackpot with a 6th round pick named Henrik Lundqvist. The lockout gave them a chance to restart without the burden of some horrific contracts in a way the Knicks never had.
But greg that is exactly my point, his biggest issue was he was to involved with the jnicks...
If you believe Perry and mills, dolan has told them he is willing to be patient..
Ha! Well, I've given up on ever getting rid of Mills. Hopefully he trusts Perry enough to defer here and there. Sounds like they're into analytics, so maybe the numbers will spit out some good ideas.
All in all, I've been OK with the Mills/Perry pairing so far. My only gripe is with the Hernangomez trade - we should be hoarding young, cost-controlled guys with any potential, especially when the futures of Kanter, KOQ and Noah are very much in flux, and KP is out for half of next season. If nothing else, he was cheap labor. Still don't like the Timmy signing but that was before Perry could talk him out of it.
He's why the Knicks are what they are. As far as the Rangers go they followed the exact same script as the Knicks until they got the break of a lifetime with the lockout/buyout reset and almost won a championship. But they fell short and then went right back to doing business like the Knicks, trading away all their draft picks and young players for washed up names that ruined what they built. You think that was a coincidence? Now MSG will be dark in the playoff spring for a long time for both teams.
Ha! Well, I've given up on ever getting rid of Mills. Hopefully he trusts Perry enough to defer here and there. Sounds like they're into analytics, so maybe the numbers will spit out some good ideas.
All in all, I've been OK with the Mills/Perry pairing so far. My only gripe is with the Hernangomez trade - we should be hoarding young, cost-controlled guys with any potential, especially when the futures of Kanter, KOQ and Noah are very much in flux, and KP is out for half of next season. If nothing else, he was cheap labor. Still don't like the Timmy signing but that was before Perry could talk him out of it.
don't forget the Baker contract. Almost a year later and I still can't wrap my head around it. It's obviously not a mega disaster like Noah's deal, but everything about it is nonsensical. There's not another team in the league that would have given him that deal with that structure.
the Rangers, which he also owns. That's probably because he put all of his eggs in the Sather basket and stepped away. He wanted to do that with Phil Jackson, but it imploded. Fortunately, they still have their picks, some young talent and don't mind paying people off if things don't work out.
I was encouraged that when Mills pulled off his coup, he Â
But how have the rangers been good if dolan is such a shot owner?
For one thing, he has never been as involved with the Rangers as he was with the Knicks. For another, much as I dislike Glen Sather, he is nowhere near as incompetent as Isiah and Mills. For a third, the Rangers had a few major strokes of luck. They picked up Jagr as a salary dump at the end of the no-cap era and he gave them some terrific years. They hit the jackpot with a 6th round pick named Henrik Lundqvist. The lockout gave them a chance to restart without the burden of some horrific contracts in a way the Knicks never had.
All you did was provide reasons why Dolan didn't destroy the Rangers. Facts are, he didn't. We know why.
The Knicks need great players. I don't think Dolan is necessarily preventing the Knicks from getting great players, at least not now he isn't. Knicks need to stay the course and add talent whenever possible.
Well, there is that...now we have to hope and pray that Mills and Perry know wtf they are doing. Mainly, these guys have to hire the right HC for this franchise.
I don't think things are as dark as they were 7 years or 10 years or 15 years ago. There's a light at the end of the tunnel but this franchise can still fuck things up. Hopefully they don't.
Even if they stay in the lottery for a a few more years and become your typical losing team that hits on some picks, misses on others, and takes its lumps while guys like Frank and whoever develop - that would still be an improvement over the drama we've had here. As long as they stay away from dumb moves like Rose, Noah, no-trade clauses, etc.
It’s sinplistic and probably unfair but the Knicks will go as far as KP takes them. We aren’t drafting a legend over the next few years and likely won’t land a legend in FA or trade. KP could be a legendary player if things go our way.
Hit doubles in the draft and FA and pray KP is a future HOFer. That’s our hope.
Little known fact that Wright had a deal in place to go to Boston College 4 years ago. Terms settled and all that - Jay Wright’s wife thought it over and told him she wasn’t moving away from philly. She is from there and went to nova law school. Now nyc is closer and the knicks would offer more than bc (which i heads was about mil over what he was getting) so there is that. Just pointing out there are very strong family roots to that area.
would make 2-3x what he is making at Villanova. I get that he may like it there, but he has nowhere else to go and this is a unique opportunity for him.
Little known fact that Wright had a deal in place to go to Boston College 4 years ago. Terms settled and all that - Jay Wright’s wife thought it over and told him she wasn’t moving away from philly. She is from there and went to nova law school. Now nyc is closer and the knicks would offer more than bc (which i heads was about mil over what he was getting) so there is that. Just pointing out there are very strong family roots to that area.
I am sure dolan would offer the private jet to go back and forth whenever she wanted it
Dolan has said that he grew up loving hockey not basketball Â
Ian Begley
Steve Mills and Scott Perry appear to be bullish on rookie Frank Ntilikina. Here’s how Mills described him today: “We have the second youngest player in the NBA that can walk out on the floor today and feel like he can guard any perimeter player that he's (playing) against.”
Ian Begley
Steve Mills and Scott Perry appear to be bullish on rookie Frank Ntilikina. Here’s how Mills described him today: “We have the second youngest player in the NBA that can walk out on the floor today and feel like he can guard any perimeter player that he's (playing) against.”
so then why acquire Mudiay?
Because they took a chance on a 21 year old kid who they got for nothing?
wasn't "nothing" (wouldn't shock me if McDermott is still kicking around the league in 5-6 years and Mudiay is playing in Turkey). And how exactly are you supposed to develop 3 young point guards simultaneously? Especially when you have plenty of depth at shooting guard? All this did was push Frank off the ball for long stretches at a time. Player development!
wasn't "nothing" (wouldn't shock me if McDermott is still kicking around the league in 5-6 years and Mudiay is playing in Turkey). And how exactly are you supposed to develop 3 young point guards simultaneously? Especially when you have plenty of depth at shooting guard? All this did was push Frank off the ball for long stretches at a time. Player development!
Frank played as well as he did all year off ball.
McDermott is the definition of an average nba ballplayer Â
The rebuild didn't even start until the KP pick and then it had to wait another year because they no picks or space. The rebuild really truly began last year with the Frank draft.
I know it's hard to let go of the past but to me what happened 5 years ago doesn't apply anymore. Knicks seem to be taking the long game approach and have plenty of picks and some nice building blocks, notably KP, who will be back.
I don't see doom and gloom with this franchise going forward. They finally have resources to work with and a great young player. They don't even have to be perfect here the next 2 years in order to build a legit team with staying power. If they hit doubles in the draft and signed one good max over the next 2 years, they will be fine.
This is the biggest decision the KNicks will make over the next few years. Bring in the right coach.
Of course, but the Rangers have been just fine with Dolan as the owner. And I know Dolan spends the money, that's an important attribute. He also seems to be staying away the last few years.
Stackhouse? Really? Why?
maybe read up on Stackhouse and what he's been doing since he retired.
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The fact that Stephen A. Smith is so obsessed with Jackson getting the job shows you how far SAS's head is up his own ass.
If mark jackson was white he would not be pushing for him
Yeah that's for sure.
But it does seem -much more- a pure BPA proposition than football. Great player driven.
Much more. Well, you cannot predict the draft.
So, really, you cannot predict team style or system. Ergo you need a real savvy nuts and bolts practical veteran coach who can do it all rather than be wedded to any particular system. Probably an old cruster. Maybe not. For the next few years. Until you see what you have.
Not a single clue who that is though.
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Nick Nurse. He's a good coach with a proven record. He isn't a media grab, so that's a plus. He's the man behind Toronto Raptors offensive game these past few years.
Stackhouse? Really? Why?
maybe read up on Stackhouse and what he's been doing since he retired.
Okay. Now what? Still rather have Nurse.
Right at the next lay off press conference
Dolans issue is he gets involved and pushes for quick fixes, otherwise he spends money when his teams asks, he spent millions on crappy teams that Isiah built, he is currently paying 2 head coaches for the knicks...
You can say he is to loyal to his guys..
But how have the rangers been good if dolan is such a shot owner?
For one thing, he has never been as involved with the Rangers as he was with the Knicks. For another, much as I dislike Glen Sather, he is nowhere near as incompetent as Isiah and Mills. For a third, the Rangers had a few major strokes of luck. They picked up Jagr as a salary dump at the end of the no-cap era and he gave them some terrific years. They hit the jackpot with a 6th round pick named Henrik Lundqvist. The lockout gave them a chance to restart without the burden of some horrific contracts in a way the Knicks never had.
“Jim (Dolan) has given us the room to be patient....and that hasn’t been common in the past here.” - Steve Mills #Knicks
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But how have the rangers been good if dolan is such a shot owner?
For one thing, he has never been as involved with the Rangers as he was with the Knicks. For another, much as I dislike Glen Sather, he is nowhere near as incompetent as Isiah and Mills. For a third, the Rangers had a few major strokes of luck. They picked up Jagr as a salary dump at the end of the no-cap era and he gave them some terrific years. They hit the jackpot with a 6th round pick named Henrik Lundqvist. The lockout gave them a chance to restart without the burden of some horrific contracts in a way the Knicks never had.
BINGO! Dolan actually thinks he knows something about basketball and he is interested in it. He doesn't care about hockey. Thankfully.
The lockout is all that saved Slats. That and MTL being dumb enough to trade for Scott Gomez. He was a total disaster to that point. Remember, he actually chose to trade for Lindros rather than pay up for Jagr in his prime. And OOF those awful contracts.
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But how have the rangers been good if dolan is such a shot owner?
For one thing, he has never been as involved with the Rangers as he was with the Knicks. For another, much as I dislike Glen Sather, he is nowhere near as incompetent as Isiah and Mills. For a third, the Rangers had a few major strokes of luck. They picked up Jagr as a salary dump at the end of the no-cap era and he gave them some terrific years. They hit the jackpot with a 6th round pick named Henrik Lundqvist. The lockout gave them a chance to restart without the burden of some horrific contracts in a way the Knicks never had.
But greg that is exactly my point, his biggest issue was he was to involved with the jnicks...
If you believe Perry and mills, dolan has told them he is willing to be patient..
Now that all can chance
Ha! Well, I've given up on ever getting rid of Mills. Hopefully he trusts Perry enough to defer here and there. Sounds like they're into analytics, so maybe the numbers will spit out some good ideas.
All in all, I've been OK with the Mills/Perry pairing so far. My only gripe is with the Hernangomez trade - we should be hoarding young, cost-controlled guys with any potential, especially when the futures of Kanter, KOQ and Noah are very much in flux, and KP is out for half of next season. If nothing else, he was cheap labor. Still don't like the Timmy signing but that was before Perry could talk him out of it.
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patient with Steve Mills of all people. Lucky us.
Ha! Well, I've given up on ever getting rid of Mills. Hopefully he trusts Perry enough to defer here and there. Sounds like they're into analytics, so maybe the numbers will spit out some good ideas.
All in all, I've been OK with the Mills/Perry pairing so far. My only gripe is with the Hernangomez trade - we should be hoarding young, cost-controlled guys with any potential, especially when the futures of Kanter, KOQ and Noah are very much in flux, and KP is out for half of next season. If nothing else, he was cheap labor. Still don't like the Timmy signing but that was before Perry could talk him out of it.
don't forget the Baker contract. Almost a year later and I still can't wrap my head around it. It's obviously not a mega disaster like Noah's deal, but everything about it is nonsensical. There's not another team in the league that would have given him that deal with that structure.
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Enes Kanter says he's leaning toward opting out and hopes to sign a long-term deal to stay with the #Knicks.
I'll believe he's opting out when I see it.
Helps the tank next year and allows for more flexibility.
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Enes Kanter says he's leaning toward opting out and hopes to sign a long-term deal to stay with the #Knicks.
I'll believe he's opting out when I see it.
Kanter opting out would make up for the misfortune of the Knicks tanking somewhat properly and still landing at 9th.
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But how have the rangers been good if dolan is such a shot owner?
For one thing, he has never been as involved with the Rangers as he was with the Knicks. For another, much as I dislike Glen Sather, he is nowhere near as incompetent as Isiah and Mills. For a third, the Rangers had a few major strokes of luck. They picked up Jagr as a salary dump at the end of the no-cap era and he gave them some terrific years. They hit the jackpot with a 6th round pick named Henrik Lundqvist. The lockout gave them a chance to restart without the burden of some horrific contracts in a way the Knicks never had.
All you did was provide reasons why Dolan didn't destroy the Rangers. Facts are, he didn't. We know why.
The Knicks need great players. I don't think Dolan is necessarily preventing the Knicks from getting great players, at least not now he isn't. Knicks need to stay the course and add talent whenever possible.
If Kanter opts out, go get randle
Well, there is that...now we have to hope and pray that Mills and Perry know wtf they are doing. Mainly, these guys have to hire the right HC for this franchise.
I don't think things are as dark as they were 7 years or 10 years or 15 years ago. There's a light at the end of the tunnel but this franchise can still fuck things up. Hopefully they don't.
Hit doubles in the draft and FA and pray KP is a future HOFer. That’s our hope.
There's a lot of good FAs but not much money chasing them this offseason.
I am sure dolan would offer the private jet to go back and forth whenever she wanted it
Steve Mills and Scott Perry appear to be bullish on rookie Frank Ntilikina. Here’s how Mills described him today: “We have the second youngest player in the NBA that can walk out on the floor today and feel like he can guard any perimeter player that he's (playing) against.”
so then why acquire Mudiay?
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Ian Begley
Steve Mills and Scott Perry appear to be bullish on rookie Frank Ntilikina. Here’s how Mills described him today: “We have the second youngest player in the NBA that can walk out on the floor today and feel like he can guard any perimeter player that he's (playing) against.”
so then why acquire Mudiay?
Because they took a chance on a 21 year old kid who they got for nothing?
Frank played as well as he did all year off ball.