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Eric Reid Situation Is BS

KWALL2 : 4/12/2018 11:10 am
The Bengals are OK with guys like Mixon and his KO of a girl on video. That gets you drafted in round 2 in 2017.

Reid goes there and the Bengals owner has a problem and won't sign him because of his protests.

The entire NFL is full of shit. And the NFLPA isn't doing shit about it either.

Where is the outrage with the treatment of Reid?

Kapernick? You could blame it on his struggles as a passer, not fitting the scheme, and game plan issues as a backup.

Reid? He's in his prime. He can play on any team and help you win right now. There are no excuses with this player. There is no reason a 26 year old S/LB of his skill doesn't have plenty of action right now.

Why aren't teams signing him? Why aren't the Giants signing him? Who is asking this question to the NYG? I want to hear the answer from them.

Reid could play with Collins. He could move up to LB. Play S. And give us a lot of flexibility. Why aren't the Giants bringing him in? Because he took a knee during the anthem? This guy's livelihood is being ripped from him because of it while the NFL has no problem signing guys like Hardy, Mixon, etc.

"Why aren't you bringing in Eric Reid?"

I want this question answered clearly by the NYG. He can help the team and he can be signed at a bargain because of this BS. But they still don't even bring him in? Why?
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RE: If you canít appreciate the gray, youíll never agree  
Les in TO : 4/12/2018 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13911824 V.I.G. said:
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Yes, the NFL is a business.
Businesses make mistakes.
Through that lens one can understand that
The NFL incorrectly forecasted fan backlash
By the time they recognized it was too late
They couldnít unscramble the egg

What they have since done is
funded these initiatives for BUSINESS reasons
Avoided perceived lightning rod replacement value talent
Sending a message as independent businesses to labor that:
IF YOUíRE NOT SPECIAL, youíre not worth it
Von Miller took a knee, he will never deal with this

Players need to accept and understand that they are employees
If youíre a special player, employers put up with more.
If not, not worth the headache.

The other gray, is that second chances are higher hurdle here
This wasnít a mistake or a lapse of judgement
Harder to convince folks of real contrition and remorse

So yes there are many victims here
The owners for their poor foresight
And the marginal players for their poor foresight

Peace out
agreed
Seems to me its a non football thread ....  
Bluesbreaker : 4/12/2018 4:53 pm : link
UK are are there knees too London has fallen !
RE: He said he won't kneel  
mort christenson : 4/12/2018 5:06 pm : link
In comment 13910939 KWALL2 said:
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Even if you have a problem with what he did, doesn't this player (at his age and skill) deserve a "2nd chance"?

Hardy kidnaps a woman gets a 2nd chance. Little kills a woman and gets to play again. This the NFL can work with. But Reid gets screwed for what? And he said he won't do it again.

But he can't even get in the door for a talk with teams that need S help like our NYG?

Its ridiculous. I can't believe our NTG won't see this as a guranteeed opportunity to improve that horseshit product they put on the field last year.
he didn't say he wouldn't kneel. He was asked by Brown and wouldn't commit to not kneeling.

You are entitled to your opinion but that "fact" is wrong.
suggests there's probably more going on the public isn't aware of....  
Torrag : 4/12/2018 5:11 pm : link
...this is the most likely scenario. Because other 'protesters' are signed and working.
the idea that owners care less about domestic violence  
mort christenson : 4/12/2018 5:15 pm : link
is unsupported by the evidence. It may be the case. But 32 franchises have 32 owners who might have different reasons for signing him. Those range from:

(1) PR-the hit from a PR perspective is seen combined with the upside of the talent/money is seen as worse than having a Joe Mixon on the team.

(2) The perceived delta between his talent level and what teams have (or will try to get) is not seen as big enough to take on the other stuff that comes with him.

(3) Some owners probably just won't stomach having a kneeler on their team no matter what. Maybe they feel the same way about a domestic violence offender. Maybe they don't. But I don't think any of us can know that today based on what anyone did in the past. The environment has changed and understanding what domestic violence is has too. Plus...the PR hit is much bigger today than pre-Ray Rice.

Mort  
KWALL2 : 4/12/2018 5:19 pm : link
On the radio, they said he said he would not kneel but he would not commit to not protesting in any manner.
RE: the idea that owners care less about domestic violence  
Hades07 : 4/12/2018 5:28 pm : link
In comment 13911936 mort christenson said:
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is unsupported by the evidence. It may be the case. But 32 franchises have 32 owners who might have different reasons for signing him. Those range from:

(1) PR-the hit from a PR perspective is seen combined with the upside of the talent/money is seen as worse than having a Joe Mixon on the team.

(2) The perceived delta between his talent level and what teams have (or will try to get) is not seen as big enough to take on the other stuff that comes with him.

(3) Some owners probably just won't stomach having a kneeler on their team no matter what. Maybe they feel the same way about a domestic violence offender. Maybe they don't. But I don't think any of us can know that today based on what anyone did in the past. The environment has changed and understanding what domestic violence is has too. Plus...the PR hit is much bigger today than pre-Ray Rice.
Mort, exactly when did ignorance of information ever stop someone from being an expert on any particular topic?
RE: RE: The NFL is predominantly African-American.  
Rover : 4/12/2018 5:30 pm : link
In comment 13911102 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13911091 bceagle05 said:


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What are businesses that are predominantly African-American would have shut something like this down? Zero.



The owners were well within their legal right to stop this from becoming an issue from the start. But they didn't. They actually showed a great deal of sensitivity. It's stunning you can't see and/or appreciate it.

The NFL didn't shut it down because it couldn't since:

1) The overwhelming majority of their athletes are minorities
2) A large part of their fanbase are minorities

The NFL wasn't being caring and compassionate, they were doing a political triangulation that frankly mollified nobody.
RE: A smart team  
One Man Thrill Ride : 4/12/2018 5:32 pm : link
In comment 13911067 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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Will realize they can get a solid player at below FMV, sign him, and will thereby gain an edge in production.


Yes.

The Org recently has not been a smart team.

Perhaps the optics factor in. Vernon was already under contract; Michael Thomas is a relatively anonymous player. Eric Reid is a well-known former 1st rd pick who is forever associated with Kaepernick. I, too believe, that line of thinking is bs. Reid's caliber of play, however, should easily get hima multi-year deal as a starter.

So, Kwall, to answer your question.

Why hasn't NYG signed Eric Reid?

Because overall they aren't a smart organization.
I personally donít care who kneels and who doesnít.  
Bill L : 4/12/2018 5:42 pm : link
Iíve got their issues to worry about than other peoplesí Issues.

However, if an owner doesnít want a player on his team, because of protests, or for any other reason, including whimsy, then i think itís his prerogative. In this case, it could be his speech as well.

At the end of the day, if not having the player on the team results in fewer wins, then thatís the consequence the owner has to face.
Funny timing for this story...  
Bchurch : 4/12/2018 6:00 pm : link
Seattle is not even allowing Kaep to try out because he won't say weather he will kneel or not.

Reid is going through the same thing.. How is that not obvious to some of you?

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After arranging for Colin Kaepernick to work out for the Seattle Seahawks this week, team officials postponed the trip when the quarterback declined to say he would stop kneeling during the national anthem next season, a league source told ESPN on Thursday.

Seattle Postpones Kaepernick Tryout - ( New Window )
RE: Funny timing for this story...  
EricJ : 4/12/2018 6:43 pm : link
In comment 13911995 Bchurch said:
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Seattle is not even allowing Kaep to try out because he won't say weather he will kneel or not.

Reid is going through the same thing.. How is that not obvious to some of you?


.. and some people actually think these decisions are politically motivated and no financial.
Black viewers  
nicks14 : 4/12/2018 6:56 pm : link
The thing most people are taking for granted is the black viewership. All you bigots who think Reid doesn't deserve a chance because of kneeling need to realize black people watch football too. The same way we put our foot down against Papa Johns we will do the same to the NFL.
The market works  
Bill L : 4/12/2018 7:05 pm : link
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RE: Black viewers  
FStubbs : 4/12/2018 7:09 pm : link
In comment 13912032 nicks14 said:
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The thing most people are taking for granted is the black viewership. All you bigots who think Reid doesn't deserve a chance because of kneeling need to realize black people watch football too. The same way we put our foot down against Papa Johns we will do the same to the NFL.


There were plenty of black people who stopped watching because Kaepernick was blacklisted. The NFL, like many segments of American society, is at a tipping point. I simply think in 2018 it's becoming harder to cater to minorities and to conservatives at the same time in any meaningful way. Minorities want to be people and conservatives are sick of it. "Shut up and dribble." People citing the NBA - how many conservatives watch the NBA? My guess is not terribly many. Minorities aren't watching NASCAR or hockey either.

The NFL is caught between the two because it has a mostly minority player base and a very split fanbase.
You watch to much MSNBC and CNN  
pjcas18 : 4/12/2018 7:36 pm : link
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Minorities want to be people and conservatives are sick of it.


that's some inflammatory bullshit, just the kind of purely rhetoric-based-bullshit comment that serves no purpose other than to divide.

Many people like to separate sports and politics, but when it happens the other way I don't see the same concern.

I didn't see the uproar when Curt Schilling was told to shut up and pitch, or where was the defense when Tim Thomas was denigrated for refusing to attend the White House ceremony after the Bruins won the Stanley Cup and Obama was President (but the Warriors preemptively say the whole team won't attend before the invitation was withdrawn, and they're hailed as heroes).

You'd be better served to form your opinions from other sources than the spoon-fed media narratives.


I find it really ironic  
montanagiant : 4/12/2018 7:46 pm : link
That many of the same people who claim this country is too PC go out of their way attempting to do exactly what they claim has made this country go to shit.

It is idiotic that the Giants have not inquired about getting Reid
RE: Interesting debate  
ZoneXDOA : 4/12/2018 8:23 pm : link
In comment 13911571 GiantGrit said:
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Why didn't Colin Kaepernick sit down in front of a microphone one day and simply start talking about the issues African Americans still face today? Why not plan a well formed speech consisting of facts? I think many feel he choose this method to seek attention. There was a way to go about this in a much more mature manner.




He chose this method to seek attention... for his cause. There are more people reached during the national anthem than during a presser that will only be viewed by diehard fans. The idea is to get people talking. He achieved his goal tenfold. Awareness of BLM is high AF. Needs to be. We canít have another Trayvon or Tamir.
RE: Mort  
mort christenson : 4/12/2018 8:53 pm : link
In comment 13911938 KWALL2 said:
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On the radio, they said he said he would not kneel but he would not commit to not protesting in any manner.
not according to this account of his Bengals meeting.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Interesting debate  
EricJ : 4/12/2018 9:03 pm : link
In comment 13912164 ZoneXDOA said:
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There are more people reached during the national anthem than during a presser that will only be viewed by diehard fans.


Really?? They were not even showing the national anthem during regular season games. They were running commercials at that time. It was not until he turned it into a side show did the networks begin to put that circus act on TV
lol  
Sonic Youth : 4/12/2018 9:42 pm : link
This thread is a great example of why some people have christened BBI "Big Breitbart Interactive".

RE: holy shit  
kelsto811 : 4/12/2018 9:57 pm : link
In comment 13911224 okayrene said:
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Eric actually tried to attribute the decline in viewership to the kneelings. Someone watches too much Fox News.


There's a number of factors. I don't know the answer but I do knowy father, a football fan of 30+ years, did not only refuse to watch a single game last season but also disallowed my siblings from even having it on the TV in his home. And that was due to the protests so to think it isn't one of those factors is naieve.
Looks like Reid was the 6th rank free agent safety.  
madgiantscow009 : 4/12/2018 10:12 pm : link
Still unsigned:

5th ranked Kenny Vaccar
7th ranked Tre Boston
9th ranked Tyvon Branch

these are arbitrarily ranked by walter football, but 21 of the 46 free agent safeties still aren't signed.

So, is this a valid topic at this point?

I really don't know much about his situation, but the first question I asked was, so who else is unsigned and is there a huge discrepancy?

RE: You watch to much MSNBC and CNN  
FStubbs : 4/12/2018 10:39 pm : link
In comment 13912084 pjcas18 said:
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Minorities want to be people and conservatives are sick of it.



that's some inflammatory bullshit, just the kind of purely rhetoric-based-bullshit comment that serves no purpose other than to divide.

Many people like to separate sports and politics, but when it happens the other way I don't see the same concern.

I didn't see the uproar when Curt Schilling was told to shut up and pitch, or where was the defense when Tim Thomas was denigrated for refusing to attend the White House ceremony after the Bruins won the Stanley Cup and Obama was President (but the Warriors preemptively say the whole team won't attend before the invitation was withdrawn, and they're hailed as heroes).

You'd be better served to form your opinions from other sources than the spoon-fed media narratives.



I'm going to guess you're a conservative. That quote in my response was from a conservative. I won't get into the nature of Fox news, Breitbart, and other conservative sites, but I'm still waiting for pizzagate to explode.

It's not dividing to point out a fact. It's dividing to want what Martin Luther King Jr referred to as a "negative peace". Nothing can be done about it if it's not brought out into the open.

You can't separate sports from politics when we play the national anthem before every game. You also can't do it when you have a league with the player makeup and fanbase makeup like the NFL. It was always a powder keg.

Use baseball for an example. Tell Hank Aaron there was a separation of sports and politics there.

George W. Bush used to own the Texans.
RE: So how do we explain  
madgiantscow009 : 4/12/2018 10:59 pm : link
In comment 13911127 The Dude said:
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Guys like:


Kenny Vaccarro
Mike Mitchell
Eric Reid
Tre Boston
Ricardo Allen

I think this is less of a kneeling issue that OP makes it out to be. All these guys are unsigned because Eric Reid knelt?


Are all good enough to be on a roster. As mentioned above, Brandon Weedens on a roster for gods sake. The safety market has had little movement. This has been the case since FA opened.

To say that guys that have knelt aren't viewed in a different light would be naive.. but I'm seeing a safeties as a whole not being signed


good point, I comment before I read this far.
RE: Bengals Central doesn't like Reid's...  
Ron from Ninerland : 4/13/2018 12:49 am : link
In comment 13911721 bw in dc said:
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public politics. So they don't want to manage around that likely distraction. Seems reasonable enough to me. Actions have consequences.

Besides, I thought the slightly above average S Reid was thinking about re-signing with the 9ers...?

On that point, where is the outrage foe the 9ers not signing Reid to a bigger deal?

+1 Very true. Especially since the Niners are about to be relieved of having to pay Reuben Foster.
RE: RE: You watch to much MSNBC and CNN  
Bill L : 4/13/2018 7:36 am : link
In comment 13912278 FStubbs said:
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In comment 13912084 pjcas18 said:


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Minorities want to be people and conservatives are sick of it.



that's some inflammatory bullshit, just the kind of purely rhetoric-based-bullshit comment that serves no purpose other than to divide.

Many people like to separate sports and politics, but when it happens the other way I don't see the same concern.

I didn't see the uproar when Curt Schilling was told to shut up and pitch, or where was the defense when Tim Thomas was denigrated for refusing to attend the White House ceremony after the Bruins won the Stanley Cup and Obama was President (but the Warriors preemptively say the whole team won't attend before the invitation was withdrawn, and they're hailed as heroes).

You'd be better served to form your opinions from other sources than the spoon-fed media narratives.





I'm going to guess you're a conservative. That quote in my response was from a conservative. I won't get into the nature of Fox news, Breitbart, and other conservative sites, but I'm still waiting for pizzagate to explode.

It's not dividing to point out a fact. It's dividing to want what Martin Luther King Jr referred to as a "negative peace". Nothing can be done about it if it's not brought out into the open.

You can't separate sports from politics when we play the national anthem before every game. You also can't do it when you have a league with the player makeup and fanbase makeup like the NFL. It was always a powder keg.

Use baseball for an example. Tell Hank Aaron there was a separation of sports and politics there.

George W. Bush used to own the Texans.
Well at a minimum, you can separate BBI and politics, at least if you follow the rules. Apparently, you don't.
RE: RE: holy shit  
EricJ : 4/13/2018 7:41 am : link
In comment 13912247 kelsto811 said:
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I don't know the answer but I do knowy father, a football fan of 30+ years, did not only refuse to watch a single game last season but also disallowed my siblings from even having it on the TV in his home. And that was due to the protests so to think it isn't one of those factors is naieve.


So many people are down playing the idea that the anthem, the flag and what they both stand for mean a lot for many people. My father served in the military and when he passed away in 2001, his military funeral included the folding of the flag which was then presented to my mother. I am sure many of you have seen this. There are millions of people who have loved ones who are or were in the military and the idea of protesting the anthem (regardless as to the validity of the reason) is just unacceptable. Then, there are also millions of people who are cops or have loved ones who are cops and they also are not only against protesting the anthem, but also take it as a personal attack that all cops seem to be painted with the same brush here.

In summary, you most likely have more people who either do not like the protests or are just sick of seeing/hearing about it vs people that believe the protests should continue. This is absolutely impacting the NFL's brand and total league revenue.
This whole thing could be resolved fairly easily...  
EricJ : 4/13/2018 7:46 am : link
The media was extremely short sighted when they insisted on making the anthem (and showing the players kneeling) on TV every week once CK began doing it. They wanted the short term viewership and ratings. However, probably did not anticipate people leaving and the eventual loss of revenue for them as well.

If this continues, they will continue to lose viewers and ad money. If there is one smart person left in the league office and at the networks, they would just agree to just run commercials during the anthem. What the fans cannot see wont piss them off.
RE: lol  
section125 : 4/13/2018 8:13 am : link
In comment 13912236 Sonic Youth said:
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This thread is a great example of why some people have christened BBI "Big Breitbart Interactive".


Yet, we have to put up with you and your obtuse rants labelling anything mildly different from your viewpoint with some disparaging remark. Quite frankly, the minute I see your handle in a thread I know the thread will be ruined. Zero to hatred in a split second.

Yeah Big Breitbart Interactive - a perfect example - people have an alternate view and you label them in the most extreme way possible.
Huh??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/13/2018 8:17 am : link
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George W. Bush used to own the Texans.


George Bush never owned the Texans. Bob McNair has been their owner since the onset

He was a part owner of the Rangers.

Fucking idiots all over this place.
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Ryan in Albany : 4/13/2018 8:29 am : link
In comment 13912247 kelsto811 said:
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In comment 13911224 okayrene said:


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There's a number of factors. I don't know the answer but I do knowy father, a football fan of 30+ years, did not only refuse to watch a single game last season but also disallowed my siblings from even having it on the TV in his home. And that was due to the protests so to think it isn't one of those factors is naieve.


So your father refuses to watch the NFL , but he'll watch the NFL when you have Ahmad Brooks, who has been charged with misdemeanor sexual battery, Dede Westbrook, who was arrested twice for assaulting the mother of his children, Joe Mixon, who was caught on tape punching a woman until she was knocked out and Josh Brown who beat his wife more than a dozen times? Interesting.
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Ryan in Albany : 4/13/2018 8:31 am : link
edit...refuses to watch NFL because of CK kneeling in protest.
RE: .  
Bill L : 4/13/2018 8:36 am : link
In comment 13912462 Ryan in Albany said:
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edit...refuses to watch NFL because of CK kneeling in protest.
Especially since, if you watch on tv nowadays, they hardly ever even show the National Anthem and, if they do, they don't often pan the players.

And, of course, dad could also use the pre-game time to pee or make a sandwich, and turn the tv on at the kickoff.
I remember once wondering..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/13/2018 8:39 am : link
how the Salem Witch hunts could possibly happen.

Then my Professor talked about how it was a bunch of males in a tavern picking people they or their wives didn't like and choosing who to hang. Some people chose wives or mistresses to get rid of "the other woman".

The point being that a sliding scale of morality has always existed.

If you refuse to watch a product because somebody kneels during the anthem in a sport where people are left drooling invalids and feature steroid abusers, wife beaters and other felonious characters and think there's a certain moral ground to the stance, you are probably the one that is fucked.
RE: RE: RE: The NFL is predominantly African-American.  
dep026 : 4/13/2018 8:47 am : link
In comment 13911953 Rover said:
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In comment 13911102 Eric from BBI said:


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What are businesses that are predominantly African-American would have shut something like this down? Zero.



The owners were well within their legal right to stop this from becoming an issue from the start. But they didn't. They actually showed a great deal of sensitivity. It's stunning you can't see and/or appreciate it.


The NFL didn't shut it down because it couldn't since:

1) The overwhelming majority of their athletes are minorities
2) A large part of their fanbase are minorities

The NFL wasn't being caring and compassionate, they were doing a political triangulation that frankly mollified nobody.


NBA forces players to stand and the majority of the NBA is african-americans. NFL has done more for this topic than most people realize, but since there is an oddity or an outliner - people will always complain.

There are a ton of safeties, some that are better than Reid unsigned. People who dealt, like Mike Thomas, have been signed who have been demonstrative.

And last time I checked - the draft didnt even start yet? I didnt read this thread - but maybe teams are waiting to see how the draft goes before signing anymore players?
RE: RE: RE: RE: The NFL is predominantly African-American.  
EricJ : 4/13/2018 8:54 am : link
In comment 13912492 dep026 said:
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There are a ton of safeties, some that are better than Reid unsigned. People who dealt, like Mike Thomas, have been signed who have been demonstrative.

And last time I checked - the draft didnt even start yet? I didnt read this thread - but maybe teams are waiting to see how the draft goes before signing anymore players?


Right.. and the laws of supply and demand are always at work here. A few safeties out there with no takers at today's price. Meanwhile, we may have had to over pay a bit for Solder since left tackles are harder to find. This is how the system is supposed to work.

If it truly is all about "winning" and Reid provides a team with a better chance to do that, they he will find a job. Otherwise, he will watch from the couch just like the rest of us.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The NFL is predominantly African-American.  
Beer Man : 4/13/2018 9:37 am : link
In comment 13912501 EricJ said:
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In comment 13912492 dep026 said:


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There are a ton of safeties, some that are better than Reid unsigned. People who dealt, like Mike Thomas, have been signed who have been demonstrative.

And last time I checked - the draft didnt even start yet? I didnt read this thread - but maybe teams are waiting to see how the draft goes before signing anymore players?



Right.. and the laws of supply and demand are always at work here. A few safeties out there with no takers at today's price. Meanwhile, we may have had to over pay a bit for Solder since left tackles are harder to find. This is how the system is supposed to work.

If it truly is all about "winning" and Reid provides a team with a better chance to do that, they he will find a job. Otherwise, he will watch from the couch just like the rest of us.
It's still about winning, but it is also a business. When a player's behavior while in uniform damages the brand of the team and NFL, that player also damages the bottom line. It goes back to the argument, if you want to be an activist for this cause or that, then do it on your time as an ordinary citizen exercising your rights. But don't bring it into the work place.
Bottom line  
Jeff : 4/13/2018 10:24 am : link
They own the team and can sign whom ever they want and who is the best fit for their team. If I owned a business and I had two potential employees of about the same skillset why would I hire the one that could potentially damage my franchise?

Other than the National Anthem have the players given back to the communities and given their time there? I am not discrediting the merit or the cause they are supporting I just dont think it needs to be done during the National Anthem (other than the air time it used to get because they dont even televise it any longer)
if i were the Giants, i would take him  
GMAN4LIFE : 4/13/2018 10:32 am : link
fuck it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: T-Bone  
VinegarPeppers : 4/13/2018 10:50 am : link

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Yeah, I'd love to see the data behind that, because it's very plainly not true.

Would also love to add an "unarmed" filter to that data set and see how that shakes out...



In 2017, there were 68 unarmed people shot and killed by police. 30 white, 20 black, 13 Hispanic, 3 other, 2 unknown.

Overall, 987 people killed by police in 2017. 457 white, 223 black, 179 Hispanic, 44 other, 84 unknown.

2018: 304 people killed by police. 126 white, 61 black, 38 Hispanic, 10 other, 69 unknown. 16 unarmed people, of whom 9 were white, 6 were black, 1 Hispanic. Washington Post police shooting database - ( New Window ) [/quote]


This is "disproportionate". The cops need to shoot more white dudes. :-/
RE: ..  
kelsto811 : 4/13/2018 11:30 am : link
In comment 13912459 Ryan in Albany said:
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In comment 13912247 kelsto811 said:


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There's a number of factors. I don't know the answer but I do knowy father, a football fan of 30+ years, did not only refuse to watch a single game last season but also disallowed my siblings from even having it on the TV in his home. And that was due to the protests so to think it isn't one of those factors is naieve.



So your father refuses to watch the NFL , but he'll watch the NFL when you have Ahmad Brooks, who has been charged with misdemeanor sexual battery, Dede Westbrook, who was arrested twice for assaulting the mother of his children, Joe Mixon, who was caught on tape punching a woman until she was knocked out and Josh Brown who beat his wife more than a dozen times? Interesting.


Yes. Though I doubt he looks at it as one vs. the other, I'm not here to defend his opinion. That's simply the reason he chose to not watch.
RE: lol  
VinegarPeppers : 4/13/2018 11:30 am : link
In comment 13912236 Sonic Youth said:
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This thread is a great example of why some people have christened BBI "Big Breitbart Interactive".


SO you don't fit in. Go find Big Blue MSNBC or Big Blue STATE and have a Coke and a smile and STFU.
RE: Huh??  
Mr. Bungle : 4/13/2018 11:40 am : link
In comment 13912445 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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George W. Bush used to own the Texans.



George Bush never owned the Texans. Bob McNair has been their owner since the onset

He was a part owner of the Rangers.

Fucking idiots all over this place.

I'm pretty sure he meant Rangers, since he transitioned to baseball in his previous paragraph.
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kelsto811 : 4/13/2018 11:41 am : link
In comment 13912459 Ryan in Albany said:
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There's a number of factors. I don't know the answer but I do knowy father, a football fan of 30+ years, did not only refuse to watch a single game last season but also disallowed my siblings from even having it on the TV in his home. And that was due to the protests so to think it isn't one of those factors is naieve.



So your father refuses to watch the NFL , but he'll watch the NFL when you have Ahmad Brooks, who has been charged with misdemeanor sexual battery, Dede Westbrook, who was arrested twice for assaulting the mother of his children, Joe Mixon, who was caught on tape punching a woman until she was knocked out and Josh Brown who beat his wife more than a dozen times? Interesting.


Furthermore, you're essentially saying that there's nothing the NFL could do that would force you to stop watching right? Because at that point you have to look at yourself and say, I watched when they employed criminals but this is my breaking point, painting yourself in the same light
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Heisenberg : 4/13/2018 11:41 am : link
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Yeah, I'd love to see the data behind that, because it's very plainly not true.

Would also love to add an "unarmed" filter to that data set and see how that shakes out...



In 2017, there were 68 unarmed people shot and killed by police. 30 white, 20 black, 13 Hispanic, 3 other, 2 unknown.

Overall, 987 people killed by police in 2017. 457 white, 223 black, 179 Hispanic, 44 other, 84 unknown.

2018: 304 people killed by police. 126 white, 61 black, 38 Hispanic, 10 other, 69 unknown. 16 unarmed people, of whom 9 were white, 6 were black, 1 Hispanic. Washington Post police shooting database - ( New Window )



This is "disproportionate". The cops need to shoot more white dudes. :-/ [/quote]

This is not how math works.
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EricJ : 4/13/2018 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13912884 kelsto811 said:
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I watched when they employed criminals but this is my breaking point


I know you were talking to Ryan above. My feeling is that I really dont care if every NFL team is loaded with ex convicts from top to bottom. I want to see the best football. I also want my NFL to be a break from politics and all of the other discussions that seem to get woven into everything else. You cannot watch sitcoms, news, social media and sometimes even discussions at work without bringing up the same topics. I want my NFL experience to be a 3 hour session where it is just about football. I dont want anyone preaching shit to me that has nothing to do with the game. Another reason why I do not watch the commercials either. Once you allow someone to get on a pulpit when there should not even be one AND their message is polarizing... you lose customers. Period... end of story.
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nicks14 : 4/13/2018 2:49 pm : link
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This thread is a great example of why some people have christened BBI "Big Breitbart Interactive".




SO you don't fit in. Go find Big Blue MSNBC or Big Blue STATE and have a Coke and a smile and STFU.

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So BBI is only for white conservatives now is what your saying. The owner of this site should be worried that his site is now being compared to racist drivel. I mean we can disagree on the issues but to see that this site is turning full white supremacist is kinda strange.
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nicks14 : 4/13/2018 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13912948 EricJ said:
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I watched when they employed criminals but this is my breaking point



I know you were talking to Ryan above. My feeling is that I really dont care if every NFL team is loaded with ex convicts from top to bottom. I want to see the best football. I also want my NFL to be a break from politics and all of the other discussions that seem to get woven into everything else. You cannot watch sitcoms, news, social media and sometimes even discussions at work without bringing up the same topics. I want my NFL experience to be a 3 hour session where it is just about football. I dont want anyone preaching shit to me that has nothing to do with the game. Another reason why I do not watch the commercials either. Once you allow someone to get on a pulpit when there should not even be one AND their message is polarizing... you lose customers. Period... end of story.

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As black guy who use to be a huge football fan I couldn't agree more I just want politics gone from football period.
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EricJ : 4/13/2018 3:19 pm : link
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As black guy who use to be a huge football fan I couldn't agree more I just want politics gone from football period.


It's not just football. I cannot even watch night time TV talk shows or stand up comedy which I have always loved. These people have no imagination anymore and speak almost solely about politics.
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