The Bengals are OK with guys like Mixon and his KO of a girl on video. That gets you drafted in round 2 in 2017.
Reid goes there and the Bengals owner has a problem and won't sign him because of his protests.
The entire NFL is full of shit. And the NFLPA isn't doing shit about it either.
Where is the outrage with the treatment of Reid?
Kapernick? You could blame it on his struggles as a passer, not fitting the scheme, and game plan issues as a backup.
Reid? He's in his prime. He can play on any team and help you win right now. There are no excuses with this player. There is no reason a 26 year old S/LB of his skill doesn't have plenty of action right now.
Why aren't teams signing him? Why aren't the Giants signing him? Who is asking this question to the NYG? I want to hear the answer from them.
Reid could play with Collins. He could move up to LB. Play S. And give us a lot of flexibility. Why aren't the Giants bringing him in? Because he took a knee during the anthem? This guy's livelihood is being ripped from him because of it while the NFL has no problem signing guys like Hardy, Mixon, etc.
"Why aren't you bringing in Eric Reid?"
I want this question answered clearly by the NYG. He can help the team and he can be signed at a bargain because of this BS. But they still don't even bring him in? Why?
The Giants just signed one of the prominent kneeler... a special teams ace but a very ordinary defensive back.
Players who kneel have been signed and remain under contract throughout the NFL.
But because Reid is unsigned (for whatever reason), it proves that the Mara, Tisch, and the other NFL owners are what? Bigots? Is that what you are saying?
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Perhaps he beats his dog. Who the hell knows.
But players who kneel have been signed around the NFL and have been kept.
You people falling for a false media narrative.
KWALL says the Giants are discriminating against kneelers yet they just signed a much less talent player (at least from a fan perspective). So in your world, why would they have done that if they are a bunch reactionary thugs in your book?
Reid was one of the very first to join Kaepernick and was very vocal about it. I had no idea Thomas even knelt. That is the difference.
If it bares no weight on whether the Bengals sign him, then why did they ask him about it.
Exactly. And Reid continued to do so and split from the players' coalition that negotiated with the owners for substantial donations to so-called charitable organizations that support this so-called cause. Reid basically gave the owners and the player coalition a middle finger even though the owners dipped into their pockets on something they had no obligation to do, and in the wake of actions that have already hurt them financially. They aren't very good businessmen, IMO. You fire those employees. And if you lose some good employees, fine. There will always be people that want to play a game for million dollar salaries.
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How the hell do you extrapolate OP’s comments into some generalization about being a victim?
But let’s see where this rabbithole goes.
Then you may be an idiot because Eric is 100% correct and you probably are too dumb to get it.
Don’t make me laugh.
I believe that Eric Reid is one of the people that has protested pretty much the entire time since Kaep was released. He might be viewed as a leader, and keeping him out might be a way for the league to cut the head off the snake sorta speak.
So sure other protesters have been signed, but they aren't the leaders of the protests, they are more followers then anything else.
I know that most likely wasn't your intention, and it's a shame that people are trying to act like you're incorrect - but, on this site, any mention of "good ole 'Merica" in either light never bodes well.
Pretty much this. I’ve been long enough to know which way the majority on this site leans. But the ignorance never ceases to amaze me.
The Giants just signed one of the prominent kneeler... a special teams ace but a very ordinary defensive back.
Players who kneel have been signed and remain under contract throughout the NFL.
But because Reid is unsigned (for whatever reason), it proves that the Mara, Tisch, and the other NFL owners are what? Bigots? Is that what you are saying?
That's not at all what he's saying but that's the way you want to take it because it supports your 'victim mentality' line of thinking.
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Yes, because the narrative is not believed by at least half the population. It absolutely is political.
It's not a "narrative," it's reality.
The narrative is that they are being gunned down because of their racial identity, which is absolutely not true. And it's a narrative formed strictly because of media coverage. People of other racial identities get shot by cops as well, even killed, all the time, and its because of their actions. They aren't protests, and there isn't media coverage either. Daniel Shaver was gunned down in a hotel lobby in 2016, you can watch the body cam footage, it was pretty bad, in fact, way worse than any of the other high profile shootings, as Shaver was actually attempting to comply. Officer was acquitted, and in my mind, it was a miscarriage of justice. However, no media coverage, no protests. Russell Bowman was just gunned down. There will be no protests, and no outrage, because he's not the certain shade of skin color that would require that, and, he charged an officer so people will say he caused himself to be shot and it was justified.
It astonishes me that you guys can't even see how the NFL has bent over backwards to accommodate this sensitive issue, especially when other businesses would simply have shut this down from the start.
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How the hell do you extrapolate OP’s comments into some generalization about being a victim?
But let’s see where this rabbithole goes.
Then you may be an idiot because Eric is 100% correct and you probably are too dumb to get it.
Don’t make me laugh.
Well, I think you made it pretty clear you aren't exactly honor roll material.
this thread will not last through lunch.
'...through lunch.'
We can only hope.
Because if you connect point A to point B, he seems to be suggesting that the reason the Giants haven't offered Eric Reid a contract is that Mara and Tisch hate the protestors and their views. (Again, I would argue the opposite based on Mara and Tisch's actions and words).
Absolutely, and we have the right to point out how ridiculous it is for owners to hand second chances to wife-beaters and animal-torturers while blacklisting Kaep. I'll say it again: Brandon Weeden is currently on an NFL roster.
The Giants just signed one of the prominent kneeler... a special teams ace but a very ordinary defensive back.
Players who kneel have been signed and remain under contract throughout the NFL.
But because Reid is unsigned (for whatever reason), it proves that the Mara, Tisch, and the other NFL owners are what? Bigots? Is that what you are saying?
Eric
You're making some valid points but the profile of the guys they've signed who have knelt are very low. Nobody knew these guys knelt. Reid was right in the middle of the Kap controversy.
Ultimately every situation is different. I didnt mention the Giants directly but based on the OP it could seem I'm agreeing with his criticism of the Giants. That Reid and Kapernick are still unsigned is proof that enough owners are unwilling to sign these guys because of their kneeling. That in itself is bullshit.
Meanwhile, Reuben Foster is facing 11 years in prison for beating the crap out of a female. He'll be in a 49er uniform this season.
The fact that you presume that such inaction doesn't have to do with his kneeling is ludicrous.
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Yes, because the narrative is not believed by at least half the population. It absolutely is political.
It's not a "narrative," it's reality.
The narrative is that they are being gunned down because of their racial identity, which is absolutely not true. And it's a narrative formed strictly because of media coverage. People of other racial identities get shot by cops as well, even killed, all the time, and its because of their actions. They aren't protests, and there isn't media coverage either. Daniel Shaver was gunned down in a hotel lobby in 2016, you can watch the body cam footage, it was pretty bad, in fact, way worse than any of the other high profile shootings, as Shaver was actually attempting to comply. Officer was acquitted, and in my mind, it was a miscarriage of justice. However, no media coverage, no protests. Russell Bowman was just gunned down. There will be no protests, and no outrage, because he's not the certain shade of skin color that would require that, and, he charged an officer so people will say he caused himself to be shot and it was justified.
This perspective is so funny to me because it suggests that since other people aren't protesting for when a white person gets gunned down, that means it's not an issue. Maybe a better question should be, why aren't YOU protesting police brutality against any race then?
Yeah I know... I know... fake news and all....
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How the hell do you extrapolate OP’s comments into some generalization about being a victim?
But let’s see where this rabbithole goes.
Then you may be an idiot because Eric is 100% correct and you probably are too dumb to get it.
Don’t make me laugh.
Well, I think you made it pretty clear you aren't exactly honor roll material.
Still the optics of this whole mess stinks IMO. If teams are willing to sign some really bad people who have done some truly terrible things, then they shouldn't have a problem with a guy who is only guilty of exercising his constitutional rights as an American.
The fact that you presume that such inaction doesn't have to do with his kneeling is ludicrous.
Again, your views are not supported by the overwhelming amount of contradictory evidence. You saying the same thing over and over again is not going to change those facts.
If a bunch of kneelers around the league were not signed and/or cut, your views would carry more weight.
Do you think John Mara told Dave Gettleman not to sign Eric Reid?
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what is so hard to understand in these cases. Players have the right to protest, owners have a right to not employ someone for those actions. The NFL is a private entity. It is as simple as that
Absolutely, and we have the right to point out how ridiculous it is for owners to hand second chances to wife-beaters and animal-torturers while blacklisting Kaep. I'll say it again: Brandon Weeden is currently on an NFL roster.
You are equating things that do not have a significant impact on the bottom line with things that DO have a significant impact on a bottom line. That's what is ridiculous. What do you think matters most to owners?
Because if you connect point A to point B, he seems to be suggesting that the reason the Giants haven't offered Eric Reid a contract is that Mara and Tisch hate the protestors and their views. (Again, I would argue the opposite based on Mara and Tisch's actions and words).
What he is saying is that in a league where there have been protests and complaints about the character of some of the players who they've allowed to continue playing in the NFL, it's interesting that when it comes to THIS particular protest... it can't be allowed for fear of losing fans. Of course... that says A LOT about the mentality of fans as well but whatever. Fact is the whole protest was started to bring awareness to an issue that's been going on for decades and even with the awareness being raised you STILL have people who deny that it happens... for whatever reasons only they know.
He's not suggesting that the NFL owners are bigots themselves but that the hypocrisy shown by them when it comes to what kind of characters they'll allow to play in their league.
Still the optics of this whole mess stinks IMO. If teams are willing to sign some really bad people who have done some truly terrible things, then they shouldn't have a problem with a guy who is only guilty of exercising his constitutional rights as an American.
They would, but a good portion of fans would get upset. I mean look at the outrage...over kneeling. And so when we think of how these kind of decisions affect the owner’s bottom line, there you have it.
It astonishes me that you guys can't even see how the NFL has bent over backwards to accommodate this sensitive issue, especially when other businesses would simply have shut this down from the start.
I agree the NFL owners have helped support the cause; however, it's not rocket science that they absolutely hate doing it.
The Union would absolutely go crazy if they didn't support them.
It's bad business for the NFL, and if they get rid of the leader, the bad business goes away.
According to multiple reports, the Bengals brought Reid in with every intention of adding him to their roster, as new defensive coordinator Teryl Austin was supposedly excited about the possibility of adding him to his secondary. Reid took a physical and even watched game film with the coaching staff.
But then team owner Mike Brown personally met with Reid to inquire about the kneeling, not football. Mind you, Reid, who was the first teammate to take a knee next to Colin Kaepernick during the 2016 season, is on the record for saying that he no longer plans to kneel or do any other demonstrations during the anthem.
So, when Reid didn't have any definitive answers for Brown for what his future plans were, you can see where head coach Marvin Lewis, the longest-tenured black coach in NFL history, was going when he asked Reid if he wanted to clarify any statements he made to ownership.
"Dude, if you want this job. I suggest you tell the owner that you're kneeling days are over."
Reid made no clarifications to Brown, which is why he's still without a job.
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what is so hard to understand in these cases. Players have the right to protest, owners have a right to not employ someone for those actions. The NFL is a private entity. It is as simple as that
Absolutely, and we have the right to point out how ridiculous it is for owners to hand second chances to wife-beaters and animal-torturers while blacklisting Kaep. I'll say it again: Brandon Weeden is currently on an NFL roster.
There's no denying owners are hypocrites. Brandon weeden is on a roster because he's cheap and hasn't done anything to cost owners money. that's the bottom line. Those other players got a 2nd chance because there was a chance they could help win games. It's all about risk vs reward, and some guys aren't worth the risk
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According to multiple reports, the Bengals brought Reid in with every intention of adding him to their roster, as new defensive coordinator Teryl Austin was supposedly excited about the possibility of adding him to his secondary. Reid took a physical and even watched game film with the coaching staff.
But then team owner Mike Brown personally met with Reid to inquire about the kneeling, not football. Mind you, Reid, who was the first teammate to take a knee next to Colin Kaepernick during the 2016 season, is on the record for saying that he no longer plans to kneel or do any other demonstrations during the anthem.
So, when Reid didn't have any definitive answers for Brown for what his future plans were, you can see where head coach Marvin Lewis, the longest-tenured black coach in NFL history, was going when he asked Reid if he wanted to clarify any statements he made to ownership.
"Dude, if you want this job. I suggest you tell the owner that you're kneeling days are over."
Reid made no clarifications to Brown, which is why he's still without a job.
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Darn victim’s mentality costing him work.
He wants a long term deal like they all do but said he would sign a one year deal.
The S position is not “devalued” when you can play several positions like Reid.
It’s about talent, scheme fit, etc like it can be said about Kapernick.
It’s not an age thing since he’s only 26.
But he hasn’t had a contract offer.
That isn’t playing victim. I’d like to know why our team is passing on this opportunity to improve the team.
More than any other sport/business that I can think of, they have allowed their business to suffer hundreds of millions of dollars in lost business in order to accommodate the protestors. Greedy and insensitive ownership could have shut this down from the beginning, and they would have been within their legal rights to do so. But they didn't. They stood by the players. They listened. And they have actually given millions of dollars now to support the causes that the players support. And the NFL is still hemorrhaging money because of it.
Yet no matter what the NFL does, it isn't good enough.
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Yes, because the narrative is not believed by at least half the population. It absolutely is political.
It's not a "narrative," it's reality.
The narrative is that they are being gunned down because of their racial identity, which is absolutely not true. And it's a narrative formed strictly because of media coverage. People of other racial identities get shot by cops as well, even killed, all the time, and its because of their actions. They aren't protests, and there isn't media coverage either. Daniel Shaver was gunned down in a hotel lobby in 2016, you can watch the body cam footage, it was pretty bad, in fact, way worse than any of the other high profile shootings, as Shaver was actually attempting to comply. Officer was acquitted, and in my mind, it was a miscarriage of justice. However, no media coverage, no protests. Russell Bowman was just gunned down. There will be no protests, and no outrage, because he's not the certain shade of skin color that would require that, and, he charged an officer so people will say he caused himself to be shot and it was justified.
This perspective is so funny to me because it suggests that since other people aren't protesting for when a white person gets gunned down, that means it's not an issue. Maybe a better question should be, why aren't YOU protesting police brutality against any race then?
Yeah I know... I know... fake news and all....
Why am I not protesting? 1) I don't have an issue with criminals who intentionally make a dangerous situation for cops trying to do their jobs getting shot, which is the vast majority of these cases.
2) In the VERY few examples in which the police shooting was very clearly excessive and unnecessary, we have a justice system that evaluates the facts and criminal charges, due process, and hopefully, prosecution and justice follows, as in the case of Walter Scott. In some cases, due process results in a jury finding the offending officer not guilty. Although we may disagree, and I do, often, our system of government and justice was built upon some of the guilty going free in favor of more of the innocent being incarcerated. Any time there is injustice it sucks, but at minimum, a jury heard both arguments and at least the offender was tried for their alleged crime.
3) I have a job and because of points 1) and 2), it is not
important to me at all.
The owners were well within their legal right to stop this from becoming an issue from the start. But they didn't. They actually showed a great deal of sensitivity. It's stunning you can't see and/or appreciate it.
More than any other sport/business that I can think of, they have allowed their business to suffer hundreds of millions of dollars in lost business in order to accommodate the protestors. Greedy and insensitive ownership could have shut this down from the beginning, and they would have been within their legal rights to do so. But they didn't. They stood by the players. They listened. And they have actually given millions of dollars now to support the causes that the players support. And the NFL is still hemorrhaging money because of it.
Yet no matter what the NFL does, it isn't good enough.
Eric
These are PR moves. They're playing both sides. Tax write off donations that are literally pennies to them but they're making examples of the two biggest "culprits" in the kneeling scandal.
I think age definitely will play a part in how you view this. I'm in my early 30s...my guess is you're in your fifties and up?
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Reid was one of the very first to join Kaepernick and was very vocal about it. I had no idea Thomas even knelt. That is the difference.
If it bares no weight on whether the Bengals sign him, then why did they ask him about it.
Right... I didn't even know who Michael Thomas was until the Giants signed him. It's certainly reasonable to wonder if he would have been signed if he had the higher profile of Reid.
Those who support the protestors should be thrilled with how the NFL has bent over backwards to accommodate this issue. But if this thread is any evidence, the contrary appears to be the case.
Stunning.
Every NFL team has a right to do what's best for their business.
You may even find an owner who agrees with the cause but would still shy away from a player associated with it.
Such is life in business and with one's money.
There are no victims here.
Kenny Vaccarro
Mike Mitchell
Eric Reid
Tre Boston
Ricardo Allen
I think this is less of a kneeling issue that OP makes it out to be. All these guys are unsigned because Eric Reid knelt?
Are all good enough to be on a roster. As mentioned above, Brandon Weedens on a roster for gods sake. The safety market has had little movement. This has been the case since FA opened.
To say that guys that have knelt aren't viewed in a different light would be naive.. but I'm seeing a safeties as a whole not being signed
He wants a long term deal like they all do but said he would sign a one year deal.
The S position is not “devalued” when you can play several positions like Reid.
It’s about talent, scheme fit, etc like it can be said about Kapernick.
It’s not an age thing since he’s only 26.
But he hasn’t had a contract offer.
That isn’t playing victim. I’d like to know why our team is passing on this opportunity to improve the team.
How do you know about the fact that he hasn't been offered a contract, or that he is not demanding 7M/yr...
Same thing with Kaep.. he isn't that good a player.. and to pay someone to be a backup and get so much attention from media isn't worth 10-12M per year.. really there are barely 5 QBs in the league that are worse than him.. and none of them have a true starting jobs..
I don't mind the protest and am opposed to dumb asses who who want players to stop.. but making the NFL look bad when many in the NFL are doing more to support this than most americans, is just trying to play the victim card..
they didnt lose that though
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How the hell do you extrapolate OP’s comments into some generalization about being a victim?
But let’s see where this rabbithole goes.
Then you may be an idiot because Eric is 100% correct and you probably are too dumb to get it.
Don’t make me laugh.
Well, I think you made it pretty clear you aren't exactly honor roll material.
You really think that, allstarjim? My day is ruined.
No to be honest I don't think that. I think you are a smart guy and I apologize for attacking your intelligence. Just because I think you may have a blind spot on this issue doesn't mean you aren't a thoughtful, intelligent person. I have friends who do not agree with me on this very issue. Friends I think very highly of. It drives me crazy. I also know and have known many people in law enforcement and nearly all of them are really good, honest people with high character, and the very few that rubbed me the wrong way gave me no reason to believe they were unprofessional in their duties or were racially biased in any way.
These guys don't want to shoot anyone. You have to consider the very large number of incidents and interactions that happen in America daily. There are something like 2 million cops in this country, and think about the daily interactions that happen with the public in each town and city in our country. Most of those are routine, professional, and without incident. We are discussing the very small percentage that do not go well. And you will always have a small percentage of things not going well when you deal with anything in very large numbers. It is not indicative of systemic anything.