The Bengals are OK with guys like Mixon and his KO of a girl on video. That gets you drafted in round 2 in 2017.
Reid goes there and the Bengals owner has a problem and won't sign him because of his protests.
The entire NFL is full of shit. And the NFLPA isn't doing shit about it either.
Where is the outrage with the treatment of Reid?
Kapernick? You could blame it on his struggles as a passer, not fitting the scheme, and game plan issues as a backup.
Reid? He's in his prime. He can play on any team and help you win right now. There are no excuses with this player. There is no reason a 26 year old S/LB of his skill doesn't have plenty of action right now.
Why aren't teams signing him? Why aren't the Giants signing him? Who is asking this question to the NYG? I want to hear the answer from them.
Reid could play with Collins. He could move up to LB. Play S. And give us a lot of flexibility. Why aren't the Giants bringing him in? Because he took a knee during the anthem? This guy's livelihood is being ripped from him because of it while the NFL has no problem signing guys like Hardy, Mixon, etc.
"Why aren't you bringing in Eric Reid?"
I want this question answered clearly by the NYG. He can help the team and he can be signed at a bargain because of this BS. But they still don't even bring him in? Why?
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Because someone doesn't like the manner of protest doesn't mean they don't care about the cause or think it is trivial. Plenty of people think the more strident things PETA does are inappropriate. That doesn't mean they think the protest is a bigger problem than animal cruelty. It means they understand the difference between an issue, and a protest done in response to that issue. They are different things. You can't say everyone who thinks kneeling during the national anthem doesn't see violence against minorities as some kind of non-issue.
And I say this as someone who is not at all bothered by the protests. But I talk to plenty of people who think it is an important societal issue, but kneeling during the anthem is not the appropriate way to go about making the point.
If you really do believe in people's rights to their own opinions, that means accepting that people who disagree with you are not all reactionary monsters.
+1. I agree. Personally I am sickened by what I see with these police shootings. However I don't like using the national anthem as a protest forum for anything. This is my opinion, yet every day on social media people would label this position as a terrible thing. It's a mentality of either you accept 100% or you are the enemy. It sets a lot of people off.
Also agree. And it is my experience/opinion that that particular mentality does their cause (whichever cause) more harm than good. In some instances, it probably actually creates pushback from people that may even agree with them, but not their methods.
Today you need a S who can play LB too. Reid can do that.
Ok but what cap space do they have
But even here, you are admitting you ascribing views to people based on nothing but your preconceived notions. Why does someone turning off NFL coverage of the protests indicate that they don't think innocent people getting shot is a problem, or just less of a problem than the protest? My point is that those are two separate things, and people in general need to stop ascribing bad motives to people who don't hold the same views.
Someone can be against racism and police violence, and still turn off an NFL Game because they find the protest distasteful or disrespectful. Those are not mutually exclusive things.
NFL owners do not like having their business and the sport of football to be used to create a wedge between large groups of people who also are customers of those teams and the league. It it almost like a street brawl finding its way from the street and into a restaurant... every Sunday. The restaurant owner just does not want that shit in his place pushing customers out the door. It does not matter whose side he is on during the fight. The fact that there is one in his restaurant is ruining his business. He wants to them to leave him out of it and take the fight somewhere else.
But the NFL roots still strong in the closed minded way.
On the other hand some of these guys making statements are also selfish divas who suck for team first chemistry.
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However I don't like using the national anthem as a protest forum for anything. This is my opinion, yet every day on social media people would label this position as a terrible thing. It's a mentality of either you accept 100% or you are the enemy. It sets a lot of people off.
NFL owners do not like having their business and the sport of football to be used to create a wedge between large groups of people who also are customers of those teams and the league. It it almost like a street brawl finding its way from the street and into a restaurant... every Sunday. The restaurant owner just does not want that shit in his place pushing customers out the door. It does not matter whose side he is on during the fight. The fact that there is one in his restaurant is ruining his business. He wants to them to leave him out of it and take the fight somewhere else.
This is a good analogy, actually.
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However I don't like using the national anthem as a protest forum for anything. This is my opinion, yet every day on social media people would label this position as a terrible thing. It's a mentality of either you accept 100% or you are the enemy. It sets a lot of people off.
NFL owners do not like having their business and the sport of football to be used to create a wedge between large groups of people who also are customers of those teams and the league. It it almost like a street brawl finding its way from the street and into a restaurant... every Sunday. The restaurant owner just does not want that shit in his place pushing customers out the door. It does not matter whose side he is on during the fight. The fact that there is one in his restaurant is ruining his business. He wants to them to leave him out of it and take the fight somewhere else.
+1. Very good analogy.
If they wanted to sign Keanu Reeves and put Shane Falco on the back of his jersey they could do that tomorrow. If they want to cut AJ Green because they don't like the way he talked to a ball boy they could do that too.
Consequences have actions in private industry. Reid was signed to a contract, paid according to his contract and the beat goes on.
Nobody forced him to "protest". That was his call. Now he has to accept whatever comes to him. Fortunately he has the "moral high ground" on this one. Unfortunately Bentley dealerships don't accept moral high ground as payment. Such is life.
NFL is waayyyyy more popular than the NBA. just sayin
What’s so funny and ironic about that statement?
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Youth football participation is shrinking.
20 years from now things may look very, very different.
I have taken multiple sociology courses at my school and studied this topic pretty extensively. If you think the root of suffrage comes from law enforcement you have not ripped the full band aid off of the wound. It starts at the governmental level. (In my opinion) saying police are at fault is right and wrong. Yes, crooked cops exist. Every human being has an inherent battle between good and evil. When placed in positions of power, some choose a path of corruption.
As others pointed out, it is possible to agree with a cause but disagree with its method. These players are mandated to speak in front of a microphone. They have plenty of opportunities to discuss issues within this country (that certainly exist). Why didn't Colin Kaepernick sit down in front of a microphone one day and simply start talking about the issues African Americans still face today? Why not plan a well formed speech consisting of facts? I think many feel he choose this method to seek attention. There was a way to go about this in a much more mature manner.
Debate is good. Questioning aspects of our society is healthy and necessary for growth. However, the truth is we all have personal or family issues that are prioritized over issues of others within this country. Many do not want to hear the issues of different people. You cannot force people to care for a cause or for others, whether it has merit or not.
teams need players and have budgets, when need intersects with budget you have signings.
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And I also believe firmly that there is inherent skew in polling due to the fact that I believe a significant number of those with conservatively held political beliefs, who are more likely to take exception to protests during the anthem, do not participate in telephone surveys. Which is why election polling has often leaned more Democratic Party than the actual results.
Where did you get this info from? This is actually the reverse of what is true, particularly if it's a land-line survey.
Allstarjim is correct. Most Republicans, and especially conservatives, stay away from all things like this. The reason is that the media is so overwhelmingly liberal that it's not worth the effort for them. I can tell you I never answer any polling or study requests. It just aggravates me actually.
Look at BBI for example. You read every pseudo political thread and BBI comes over as 75% or more liberal leaning. I doubt that is the case, and I would wager that the conservatives just don't bother. It's not worth getting into the inevitable internet argument.
Anyway, other than your run-of-the-mill anecdotes about liberal media, I've actually read studies that conservatives are simply more likely to own landlines.
And he would be cheap.
He's also 26.
Against offenses like CAR, PHI, RAMS, this type of player is extremely valuable. You have to give up size for speed and Reid can do that for us with Collins on the field with him
I would hope by now we could put this "kneeling" issue behind us, as I believe it was a dark/disturbing chapter of the NFL's history, but Reid did more than just kneel during the anthem, as many other players did (including a few on the Giants), he was known to be in cahoots with Kaepernick, who has proven to be a bad egg.
For those who argue that it's the players' right to protest, why is it not the a team or owners right to decide not to sign them because of negative backlash for what many perceive to be deliberate disrespect for the flag, anthem, and country (myself included in that group)? You can bet your ass I'd be sending Mr. Mara a letter if a guy like Reid were on the Giants.
The bottom line is, like anything else in life, actions have consequences. While I do not believe him being a kneeler and rabble-rouser is the sole reason he is not signed, just because you have a "right" to protest or speak your mind, doesn't mean you are immune to consequences.
There are an incredible amount of examples of this. NOBODY should be against police accountability. That's essentially what you are saying. Check out the indictment rate on police who kill unarmed civilians.
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I understand what you are saying and actually agree with it, but remember, I was talking about a subsection of people who apparently quit watching the NFL over kneeling. I think that's a more specific category than what you are describing.
But even here, you are admitting you ascribing views to people based on nothing but your preconceived notions. Why does someone turning off NFL coverage of the protests indicate that they don't think innocent people getting shot is a problem, or just less of a problem than the protest? My point is that those are two separate things, and people in general need to stop ascribing bad motives to people who don't hold the same views.
Someone can be against racism and police violence, and still turn off an NFL Game because they find the protest distasteful or disrespectful. Those are not mutually exclusive things.
I would hope by now we could put this "kneeling" issue behind us, as I believe it was a dark/disturbing chapter of the NFL's history, but Reid did more than just kneel during the anthem, as many other players did (including a few on the Giants), he was known to be in cahoots with Kaepernick, who has proven to be a bad egg.
For those who argue that it's the players' right to protest, why is it not the a team or owners right to decide not to sign them because of negative backlash for what many perceive to be deliberate disrespect for the flag, anthem, and country (myself included in that group)? You can bet your ass I'd be sending Mr. Mara a letter if a guy like Reid were on the Giants.
The bottom line is, like anything else in life, actions have consequences. While I do not believe him being a kneeler and rabble-rouser is the sole reason he is not signed, just because you have a "right" to protest or speak your mind, doesn't mean you are immune to consequences.
oh so dark. wow, talk about hyperbole
What are the number of reasons?
List them please.
What are the number of reasons?
List them please.
he is a distraction to the team. biggest reason
This perspective is so funny to me because it suggests that since other people aren't protesting for when a white person gets gunned down, that means it's not an issue. Maybe a better question should be, why aren't YOU protesting police brutality against any race then?
Yeah I know... I know... fake news and all....
It can be a legitimate issue... but also have no place on a football field on sunday afternoons. Kaep and Reid elected to bring their personal and social views into their place of employment, and in a very public way without the consent of their employers.
They reap what they sow.
I would hope by now we could put this "kneeling" issue behind us, as I believe it was a dark/disturbing chapter of the NFL's history, but Reid did more than just kneel during the anthem, as many other players did (including a few on the Giants), he was known to be in cahoots with Kaepernick, who has proven to be a bad egg.
For those who argue that it's the players' right to protest, why is it not the a team or owners right to decide not to sign them because of negative backlash for what many perceive to be deliberate disrespect for the flag, anthem, and country (myself included in that group)? You can bet your ass I'd be sending Mr. Mara a letter if a guy like Reid were on the Giants.
The bottom line is, like anything else in life, actions have consequences. While I do not believe him being a kneeler and rabble-rouser is the sole reason he is not signed, just because you have a "right" to protest or speak your mind, doesn't mean you are immune to consequences.
Cahoots, bad egg, rabble-rouser?
Were you a detective in the 1940s or something?
A few questions by the media? It has no impact.
If he didn't kneel it would be over by week 4.
If he did kneel it would be a few questions to answer after the game. So instead of "what did you do this week to prepare?" he would hear a question like "Are you going to kneel again?"
Is this really a distraction that impacts an NFL football team? I don't think it does.
We are almost at the draft. NYG should bring him in and offer a below market deal.
Reid would help the team become a better football team especially at a great price.
And he would be cheap.
He's also 26.
Against offenses like CAR, PHI, RAMS, this type of player is extremely valuable. You have to give up size for speed and Reid can do that for us with Collins on the field with him
What makes you think he would come cheap?
Nobody is calling.
He just got denied by the Bengals.
You can bring him in and offer below market deal right now.
A few questions by the media? It has no impact.
If he didn't kneel it would be over by week 4.
If he did kneel it would be a few questions to answer after the game. So instead of "what did you do this week to prepare?" he would hear a question like "Are you going to kneel again?"
Is this really a distraction that impacts an NFL football team? I don't think it does.
We are almost at the draft. NYG should bring him in and offer a below market deal.
Reid would help the team become a better football team especially at a great price.
You dont think it does. but thats just you. The media are hounds with this. Are you kidding me? this is still conversation. We are still talking about this.
We arent the owners, the coaches , or anything. We dont know shit.
But again, the fact that people here give a crap STRONGLY why he should play is already telling of what can happen the moment the starting qb of whatever team he magically signed with would feel from the media.
Nobody is calling.
He just got denied by the Bengals.
You can bring him in and offer below market deal right now.
Reid said he would play for the 49ers on a 1 year deal for the same compensation he made last year which was $5.67 million. That isn't exactly cheap and he also didn't say he would play for another team for that much. He wants to stay in SF.
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And he would be cheap.
He's also 26.
Against offenses like CAR, PHI, RAMS, this type of player is extremely valuable. You have to give up size for speed and Reid can do that for us with Collins on the field with him
Good points, i just read his NFL.com bio and he seems to be versatile. Hopefully his price really drops and we could bring him in.
Besides, I thought the slightly above average S Reid was thinking about re-signing with the 9ers...?
On that point, where is the outrage foe the 9ers not signing Reid to a bigger deal?
That stuff, like the you need a chearleader at QB, or facial expressions from Eli, are all BS. It doesn't impact anything.
If the guy was playing good ball nothing else matters.
I happen to think he could.
And Jay....He said he would take the $5mill. Great.
Lots of guys would take $5 million.
But it doesn't seem anybody is offering that right now.
So why not bring him in for a 2 year deal. Even at $5 I would do it. But offer 2 years and $8 million.
He has no offers right now. Offer less but offer something because he can help.
You are passionate about this issue clearly, but it is blinding your logic.
You do realize that nobody who turns on an NFL game is witnessing domestic violence at the game, right? And if you told these same people that Kaepernick was kneeling during the anthem in his own home, but not at the game, none of these people would turn off the game?
You keep drawing these false connections that people you disagree with must be bad people who are ok with horrific things like murder or domestic violence when all they are really guilty of is not seeing the world the same way you do.
. lol great post
Nobody is calling.
He just got denied by the Bengals.
You can bring him in and offer below market deal right now.
KWALL, I'm with you this.........
I'd like to think the Giants aren't being influenced by any bad PR he gets from kneeling/talking.
But with 32 teams, some teams have a need and certainly are influenced IMO.
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Yes, because the narrative is not believed by at least half the population. It absolutely is political.
It's not a "narrative," it's reality.
The narrative is that they are being gunned down because of their racial identity, which is absolutely not true. And it's a narrative formed strictly because of media coverage. People of other racial identities get shot by cops as well, even killed, all the time, and its because of their actions. They aren't protests, and there isn't media coverage either. Daniel Shaver was gunned down in a hotel lobby in 2016, you can watch the body cam footage, it was pretty bad, in fact, way worse than any of the other high profile shootings, as Shaver was actually attempting to comply. Officer was acquitted, and in my mind, it was a miscarriage of justice. However, no media coverage, no protests. Russell Bowman was just gunned down. There will be no protests, and no outrage, because he's not the certain shade of skin color that would require that, and, he charged an officer so people will say he caused himself to be shot and it was justified.
Businesses make mistakes.
Through that lens one can understand that
The NFL incorrectly forecasted fan backlash
By the time they recognized it was too late
They couldn’t unscramble the egg
What they have since done is
funded these initiatives for BUSINESS reasons
Avoided perceived lightning rod replacement value talent
Sending a message as independent businesses to labor that:
IF YOU’RE NOT SPECIAL, you’re not worth it
Von Miller took a knee, he will never deal with this
Players need to accept and understand that they are employees
If you’re a special player, employers put up with more.
If not, not worth the headache.
The other gray, is that second chances are higher hurdle here
This wasn’t a mistake or a lapse of judgement
Harder to convince folks of real contrition and remorse
So yes there are many victims here
The owners for their poor foresight
And the marginal players for their poor foresight
Peace out
Businesses make mistakes.
Through that lens one can understand that
The NFL incorrectly forecasted fan backlash
By the time they recognized it was too late
They couldn’t unscramble the egg
What they have since done is
funded these initiatives for BUSINESS reasons
Avoided perceived lightning rod replacement value talent
Sending a message as independent businesses to labor that:
IF YOU’RE NOT SPECIAL, you’re not worth it
Von Miller took a knee, he will never deal with this
Players need to accept and understand that they are employees
If you’re a special player, employers put up with more.
If not, not worth the headache.
The other gray, is that second chances are higher hurdle here
This wasn’t a mistake or a lapse of judgement
Harder to convince folks of real contrition and remorse
So yes there are many victims here
The owners for their poor foresight
And the marginal players for their poor foresight
Peace out
Hardy kidnaps a woman gets a 2nd chance. Little kills a woman and gets to play again. This the NFL can work with. But Reid gets screwed for what? And he said he won't do it again.
But he can't even get in the door for a talk with teams that need S help like our NYG?
Its ridiculous. I can't believe our NTG won't see this as a guranteeed opportunity to improve that horseshit product they put on the field last year.
You are entitled to your opinion but that "fact" is wrong.