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GiantBlue : 4/12/2018 2:05 pm
John Fennelly @John_Fennelly 18m .

RT @LeadingNFL: BREAKING: Seattle Seahawks postponed workout for QB Colin Kaepernick after he decline to stop kneeling next season. (via @AdamSchefter)

for refusing to stop kneeling during the anthems.
I just want to watch football.  
Britt in VA : 4/12/2018 2:06 pm : link
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RE: I just want to watch football.  
bradshaw44 : 4/12/2018 2:07 pm : link
In comment 13911459 Britt in VA said:
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Amen, brother.
The NFL looks bad  
adamg : 4/12/2018 2:07 pm : link
For this Kaep thing. He should have gotten a job. Geno Smith had one.
It is not a football issue  
mdthedream : 4/12/2018 2:09 pm : link
it is a team decision and the owner of that teams choice.
RE: I just want to watch football.  
Mike from SI : 4/12/2018 2:10 pm : link
In comment 13911459 Britt in VA said:
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You're entitled to that opinion. And certain players are entitled to their opinion that too many black people get shot by police. And the owners are entitled not to hire those players who kneel. And we're all entitled to bitch at each other about our opinions thanks to Eric hosting this site. It's a better system than "harmony" in China, at least.
IDK, sounds more like another case of Schefter Hyperbole  
guitarguybs12 : 4/12/2018 2:10 pm : link
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Ian Rapoport
‏@RapSheet
22m22 minutes ago
The #Seahawks did postpone a tentatively scheduled workout with Colin Kaepernick, as @AdamSchefter reported. It was not because he said he declined to stop kneeling, tho. The team asked for his plan moving forward on how to handle everything and there was not a firm plan.

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
20m20 minutes ago
#Seahawks brass, John Schneider and Pete Carroll, want Colin Kaepernick to consider how he wants to proceed on everything (not just anthem) and get together at a later date when his plans are formed. Clearly, Seattle has accepted players speaking out for what they believe.
What were they expecting when they scheduled it in the first place?  
Mad Mike : 4/12/2018 2:12 pm : link
If it was an issue to them, why not discuss it before even inviting him to come in? Seems kind of silly to have expected him to change his tune, and if that's deal breaker, I don't know why they even planned on working him out to begin with.
Cowards.  
Ryan in Albany : 4/12/2018 2:13 pm : link
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i see this two sides  
GMAN4LIFE : 4/12/2018 2:15 pm : link
got to give kap credit for sticking to his guns. Its what he believes and he is sticking to it.

but the owners are being up front. If this story is true, they are laying it out for the guy. Take it or leave it. You dont have to take it.


in the end, the media are making this into a bigger issue. Its what the media does
Might as well just go look at the Reid thread.  
bceagle05 : 4/12/2018 2:17 pm : link
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Why  
DanMetroMan : 4/12/2018 2:17 pm : link
not have the workout first? Doesn't this make it look worse than it had to be?
RE: The NFL looks bad  
SterlingArcher : 4/12/2018 2:19 pm : link
In comment 13911462 adamg said:
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For this Kaep thing. He should have gotten a job. Geno Smith had one.
No team wants to be strapped with Crap-O-Picks shit show! Too much bad publicity!
If he beat up a woman, killed a dog, or  
jeff57 : 4/12/2018 2:27 pm : link
kept an arsenal in his back yard, they would have welcomed him with open arms.
Does any of this stop you from being able to watch football?  
GiantFilthy : 4/12/2018 2:29 pm : link
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i could care less  
GMAN4LIFE : 4/12/2018 2:32 pm : link
way i see it, why waste time playing football? go continue helping the community
A big issue that many  
mdc1 : 4/12/2018 2:39 pm : link
of the players or ex-players cannot let sink into their fat heads about personal and political agendas are that they distract from the NFL brand. Since they do not run the show, they will be marginalized out. This fucknut started the flame that tanked the NFL ratings last year. Thing about that. If you are a business owner would you let that happen ?

RE: i could care less  
mdc1 : 4/12/2018 2:40 pm : link
In comment 13911547 GMAN4LIFE said:
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way i see it, why waste time playing football? go continue helping the community


this. Unfortunately no one will pay attention to him. That is why he is using the NFL as his megaphone and the league will not let that happen.
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GiantFilthy : 4/12/2018 2:42 pm : link
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mdc1 : 2:39 pm : link : reply
This fucknut started the flame that tanked the NFL ratings last year.

Link to the data that shows kneeling and not the enormous influx streaming cable cutters was the largest cause of any ratings drop?
RE: RE: I just want to watch football.  
GiantGrit : 4/12/2018 2:44 pm : link
In comment 13911474 Mike from SI said:
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You're entitled to that opinion. And certain players are entitled to their opinion that too many black people get shot by police. And the owners are entitled not to hire those players who kneel. And we're all entitled to bitch at each other about our opinions thanks to Eric hosting this site. It's a better system than "harmony" in China, at least.


Very well said.
hat tip to kapernick  
QB Snacks : 4/12/2018 2:45 pm : link
he puts his money where his mouth is and will not compromise what he believes in for $
You cant fault Kap on this. He didnt do anything wrong.  
GMAN4LIFE : 4/12/2018 2:48 pm : link
I mean he kneeled. Big fucking whoop. But owners dont like that shit. So owners have a choice, employ you or not. I have seen worse for far less in the work field.

Again, if you were an owner and the media is polarized with this guy. You bring drama to a room full of hot heads. Sorry but i dont see it working.

think about it. 2 bad games for Russell wilson and all of a sudden the media will wonder why kap isnt given a chance.
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T-Bone : 4/12/2018 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13911574 GiantFilthy said:
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mdc1 : 2:39 pm : link : reply
This fucknut started the flame that tanked the NFL ratings last year.


Link to the data that shows kneeling and not the enormous influx streaming cable cutters was the largest cause of any ratings drop?


Don't wasting your time Filthy...
mdc is bringing it.  
Mad Mike : 4/12/2018 2:55 pm : link
All quality, all the time.
surprised to see they would  
jestersdead : 4/12/2018 2:55 pm : link
give him a workout after they cut bait with Bennett and Sherman who are both pretty outspoken. All signals pointed to the Seahawks moving away from off the field politics
I'm not sure where this belongs  
Walt in MD : 4/12/2018 2:56 pm : link
but if they are asking Kap and Reid about kneeling, they are going to ask potential draftees about it too. I wonder if anyone will slide because of it?
never thought I'd say this  
UConn4523 : 4/12/2018 2:59 pm : link
but I give props to Kaepernick for not backing down and giving in. As dumb as I think the whole kneeling thing is, he's in the right on this decision.
Plays right into his hands.  
old man : 4/12/2018 3:01 pm : link
He knows he's bad PR at this time. He wants to kneel, and if unsigned, runs the conspiracy card, race, flash, or any other card to make his point.
The thing is, if he couldn't run, he'd be no better than Geno, at best.
he's just  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 4/12/2018 3:03 pm : link
not a very good football player. If he was, he would have a job.
RE: he's just  
T-Bone : 4/12/2018 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13911642 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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not a very good football player. If he was, he would have a job.



Too bad he can't get a shot to prove he's better than the Weedon's of the world eh?
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GMAN4LIFE : 4/12/2018 3:06 pm : link
In comment 13911644 T-Bone said:
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not a very good football player. If he was, he would have a job.




Too bad he can't get a shot to prove he's better than the Weedon's of the world eh?


he is a distraction
T-bone  
Walt in MD : 4/12/2018 3:11 pm : link
that's lazy. Being better than Weeden means nothing. You lose your starter, your season is probably done (Eagles notwithstanding). You hope your backup never plays. Why sign a guy like Kap? YOu know it's going to enrage a large part of your fan base and impact your bottom line. Why? Because he's 5% better than Weeden? Come on. Who in their right mind would sign up for that?
He is a much better player  
Oscar : 4/12/2018 3:14 pm : link
Than many in the league. He would be one of the best backups out there and a guy who could provide a solid option if a starter went down.

Its funny I think this issue turns everyone off to the NFL for different reasons. I watch less because of the reaction to the kneeling, the kneeling itself I didnt mind at all in fact I applaud it.

I dont think I watched a single non-Giants regular season game last year because of the owners reaction to this issue. I dont want to give the league a buck or any more of my time than I have to. I still like watching the Giants but otherwise the league could fold and I wouldnt mind at all.
No problem here.  
Giant John : 4/12/2018 3:15 pm : link
Kap has every right to protest and Seattle has every right to hire who they like. Works both ways in my mind.
he doesn't have a right to a job in the NFL  
UConn4523 : 4/12/2018 3:17 pm : link
so him being better than other backups is pretty irrelevant.
Networks should fix this  
Thegratefulhead : 4/12/2018 3:22 pm : link
Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?
RE: T-bone  
T-Bone : 4/12/2018 3:23 pm : link
In comment 13911654 Walt in MD said:
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that's lazy. Being better than Weeden means nothing. You lose your starter, your season is probably done (Eagles notwithstanding). You hope your backup never plays. Why sign a guy like Kap? YOu know it's going to enrage a large part of your fan base and impact your bottom line. Why? Because he's 5% better than Weeden? Come on. Who in their right mind would sign up for that?


You're assuming that a large part of a team's fanbase will be lost.... particularly now, years after it started. I wish just one owner would have the balls to say 'Let's find out because he's better than the guy we have.'. Considering the character of the players who teams have employed that HAVNE'T turned the fans away so far... I'd be willing to take my chances personally. But I'm sure that's just me.

What's lazy is just saying that he doesn't have a job because he's not a 'good player'... considering how many players he's definitely better than that are currently in the league.
RE: He is a much better player  
T-Bone : 4/12/2018 3:24 pm : link
In comment 13911659 Oscar said:
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Than many in the league. He would be one of the best backups out there and a guy who could provide a solid option if a starter went down.

Its funny I think this issue turns everyone off to the NFL for different reasons. I watch less because of the reaction to the kneeling, the kneeling itself I didnt mind at all in fact I applaud it.

I dont think I watched a single non-Giants regular season game last year because of the owners reaction to this issue. I dont want to give the league a buck or any more of my time than I have to. I still like watching the Giants but otherwise the league could fold and I wouldnt mind at all.


You're not the only person who's felt this way Oscar as I have a few friends who feel the exact same way and have done the exact same thing. But of course the folks who feel the way you do don't get counted in when discussing the supposed MASSIVE loss of fans the league supposedly has experienced that's going to cause the league to go under.
I understand that  
Oscar : 4/12/2018 3:24 pm : link
Just turns me off to the league. I have to sit and watch these over the top displays of nationalism, all the military appreciation (which is really just military recruiting) crap, yet a guy protests police brutality in a quiet, non-violent way and he is blackballed from the league. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I watch the Giants because its basically an involuntary reaction at this point in my life but otherwise I have no real interest.
IMO, he's in the area of being a weak starter and strong backup.  
Ira : 4/12/2018 3:25 pm : link
He should be on a football team.
RE: he doesn't have a right to a job in the NFL  
T-Bone : 4/12/2018 3:26 pm : link
In comment 13911667 UConn4523 said:
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so him being better than other backups is pretty irrelevant.


He doesn't have the right... but he should have the opportunity to work when he hasn't broken any laws... particularly when if he HAD broken some laws he'd, in fact, have a job.
Can we all compromise and just stop having the national anthem  
GiantFilthy : 4/12/2018 3:26 pm : link
and/or singing of any kind before a sporting event?
RE: Networks should fix this  
T-Bone : 4/12/2018 3:29 pm : link
In comment 13911679 Thegratefulhead said:
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Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?


Or better yet... just leave the teams in the locker room like they used to do!

MAKING a person stand for the National Anthem is about the most UNAmerican thing I can think of... and yet that's exactly what most here and fans of the NFL that have a problem with the kneeling want... but... funny enough... most of the military guys I know and have heard from support the kneeling. Go figure.
RE: RE: Networks should fix this  
allstarjim : 4/12/2018 3:39 pm : link
In comment 13911701 T-Bone said:
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In comment 13911679 Thegratefulhead said:


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Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?



Or better yet... just leave the teams in the locker room like they used to do!

MAKING a person stand for the National Anthem is about the most UNAmerican thing I can think of... and yet that's exactly what most here and fans of the NFL that have a problem with the kneeling want... but... funny enough... most of the military guys I know and have heard from support the kneeling. Go figure.


I think many military guys take my position. They support the RIGHT to kneel, but do not agree with the action on a personal or moral level. Some, like me, do not believe the given reason for kneeling is a valid one or the arguments made in support of that reason are truthful.

Anecdotal, but I am a military veteran of 12 years.

I also support the rights of people to freely associate...so I would likewise support any owner who no longer wished to employ a person representing their organization because of their political expression in company attire on company time, whether I agreed with the political point or not. Basically, I always agree with the position that supports the most individual liberty. Note that doesn't mean that the expression of which may not have negative consequences unrelated to government interference or infringement of that liberty.
I think it boils down to this  
BigBlue2112 : 4/12/2018 3:41 pm : link
Is a backup QB worth the media circus and coverage? Seattle said no. It's not about being outspoken on issues. Seattle has had plenty of that.
RE: RE: Networks should fix this  
allstarjim : 4/12/2018 3:47 pm : link
In comment 13911701 T-Bone said:
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In comment 13911679 Thegratefulhead said:


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Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?



Or better yet... just leave the teams in the locker room like they used to do!

MAKING a person stand for the National Anthem is about the most UNAmerican thing I can think of... and yet that's exactly what most here and fans of the NFL that have a problem with the kneeling want... but... funny enough... most of the military guys I know and have heard from support the kneeling. Go figure.


It would be UnAmerican if they were MAKING the person to stand. But they aren't...they are compelling them to stand as a condition of employment. If that's a condition of employment, it's not UnAmerican. I personally would have no problem with the elimination of the anthem before games, or keeping the players inside the locker room or tunnel for the anthem. I don't think the owners want that because I think they want the anthem and want their players to be part of the pomp and nationalist ceremony performed prior to a game. If that's the case, that is their right as the business owner and the guy who writes the checks. The checks, now...that are cashed by the players, they have no problem with the owners writing those checks for them to cash, so it would seem that they shouldn't have a problem with complying with a specific set of behavior when representing the company on field, in company uniform.

Don't want to? Somebody else will cash those checks. Pretty simple.
RE: Can we all compromise and just stop having the national anthem  
Britt in VA : 4/12/2018 3:47 pm : link
In comment 13911689 GiantFilthy said:
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and/or singing of any kind before a sporting event?


Fine. And then what will be next? So the anthem is then eliminated, you think that's going to solve anything? No. They will find something else. How much do we have to eliminate before anybody is satisfied? Will it ever be enough? So we just take and take and take and take... But will the problem ever correct by doing that? No anthem equals no kneeling, problem solved?

You want to eliminate the National Anthem from all of sports, because a handful of athletes decided to protest something completely unrelated to the National Anthem (okay, I can connect a million dots and say that the National Anthem can be tied to anything because it is all encompassing, but stay with me here), but it then became synonymous with the Anthem. The National Anthem is the innocent victim in this.

You want to tear down/do away with forever an American institution to satisfy a minority of the public. Something that has been a part of sports for decades, pretty much as long as sports have been played. And not for bad reasons. For positive reasons. Are we going to ban all nations from playing their anthem at the Olympics? Or just us?
I don't think he is a good backup  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 4/12/2018 3:48 pm : link
because of the way he plays. He is the type of player that you have to structure your offense around how he plays. He doesn't really work within a conventional approach to protections etc. And he isn't good enough to be a starter.

The last thing you want for a back up is a guy who plays completely differently from your starter. Rather have an inferior talent, who can play within what you do, then a slightly superior talent that requires changing your approach if he comes in the game.

I just think he is a square peg that doesn't fit for most teams.
RE: IMO, he's in the area of being a weak starter and strong backup.  
BillKo : 4/12/2018 4:07 pm : link
In comment 13911685 Ira said:
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He should be on a football team.


Completely agree.

But then there's the baggage.

Question is, how to you gauge what the baggage is. That's very subjective.

Seattle thinks it's considerable, or they would have brought him in.

Kappernick, Reid...Jenkins. These guys were the first to start kneeling I believe.

Would be very interesting to see if Jenkins was a few years younger and a free agent.......would there be seekers.
People have to be reminded what a radical jerk Kaepernick is  
giant24 : 4/12/2018 4:08 pm : link
1. Wears pig/cop socks to practice

2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."

3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government

4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assatas Daughters, a Chicago direct action resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.

5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police

6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the groups commitment to develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.

7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.

8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"

9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy

10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."

This guy doesn't deserve a job in the nfl.
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Geomon : 4/12/2018 4:12 pm : link
RE: People have to be reminded what a radical jerk Kaepernick is  
BillKo : 4/12/2018 4:13 pm : link
In comment 13911805 giant24 said:
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1. Wears pig/cop socks to practice

2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."

3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government

4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assatas Daughters, a Chicago direct action resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.

5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police

6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the groups commitment to develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.

7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.

8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"

9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy

10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."

This guy doesn't deserve a job in the nfl.


I tend to agree....talent wise yes. But that's a long list of things that can certainly be a viewed as a turnoff. And teams feel they can probably get a comparable player without the headaches.
RE: I think it boils down to this  
BillKo : 4/12/2018 4:14 pm : link
In comment 13911742 BigBlue2112 said:
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Is a backup QB worth the media circus and coverage? Seattle said no. It's not about being outspoken on issues. Seattle has had plenty of that.


Bingo.

But Eric Reid...is that really the same deal?
RE: If he beat up a woman, killed a dog, or  
Zepp : 4/12/2018 4:16 pm : link
In comment 13911533 jeff57 said:
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kept an arsenal in his back yard, they would have welcomed him with open arms.


Just shows you how messed up we are as a society that supposedly values free speech. The guy takes a knee and no one can take it but had he been violent then its brushed off.
RE: RE: RE: Networks should fix this  
T-Bone : 4/12/2018 4:19 pm : link
In comment 13911735 allstarjim said:
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Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?



Or better yet... just leave the teams in the locker room like they used to do!

MAKING a person stand for the National Anthem is about the most UNAmerican thing I can think of... and yet that's exactly what most here and fans of the NFL that have a problem with the kneeling want... but... funny enough... most of the military guys I know and have heard from support the kneeling. Go figure.



I think many military guys take my position. They support the RIGHT to kneel, but do not agree with the action on a personal or moral level. Some, like me, do not believe the given reason for kneeling is a valid one or the arguments made in support of that reason are truthful.

Anecdotal, but I am a military veteran of 12 years.

I also support the rights of people to freely associate...so I would likewise support any owner who no longer wished to employ a person representing their organization because of their political expression in company attire on company time, whether I agreed with the political point or not. Basically, I always agree with the position that supports the most individual liberty. Note that doesn't mean that the expression of which may not have negative consequences unrelated to government interference or infringement of that liberty.


And wait until you get a load of this... I actually agree with you.

I've said from the beginning that I believe in WHAT he's protesting... just not sure if I agree with how. I told me wife that very thing the first time I saw this story break and saw Kap sitting on the bench.

That said... I do still also think it's bullshit that he hasn't had an opportunity to continue to play football in the National Football League because of that. I agree that teams have a right not to want to employ someone who can negatively affect their bottom line... but that doesn't make it right IMO... kind of like the whole kneeling thing itself in a way.
RE: RE: RE: Networks should fix this  
T-Bone : 4/12/2018 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13911758 allstarjim said:
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In comment 13911701 T-Bone said:


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In comment 13911679 Thegratefulhead said:


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Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?



Or better yet... just leave the teams in the locker room like they used to do!

MAKING a person stand for the National Anthem is about the most UNAmerican thing I can think of... and yet that's exactly what most here and fans of the NFL that have a problem with the kneeling want... but... funny enough... most of the military guys I know and have heard from support the kneeling. Go figure.



It would be UnAmerican if they were MAKING the person to stand. But they aren't...they are compelling them to stand as a condition of employment. If that's a condition of employment, it's not UnAmerican. I personally would have no problem with the elimination of the anthem before games, or keeping the players inside the locker room or tunnel for the anthem. I don't think the owners want that because I think they want the anthem and want their players to be part of the pomp and nationalist ceremony performed prior to a game. If that's the case, that is their right as the business owner and the guy who writes the checks. The checks, now...that are cashed by the players, they have no problem with the owners writing those checks for them to cash, so it would seem that they shouldn't have a problem with complying with a specific set of behavior when representing the company on field, in company uniform.

Don't want to? Somebody else will cash those checks. Pretty simple.


But that's exactly what many want the NFL owners to do... MAKE them stand... and there are owners (like Jones for instance) who have taken it under consideration.
RE: RE: If he beat up a woman, killed a dog, or  
BillKo : 4/12/2018 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13911816 Zepp said:
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kept an arsenal in his back yard, they would have welcomed him with open arms.



Just shows you how messed up we are as a society that supposedly values free speech. The guy takes a knee and no one can take it but had he been violent then its brushed off.


The only way I could possibly defend that is to say, those you mentioned deserve a second chance (let's not get into repeat offenders).

And Kappernick continues to demonstrate his, as you said, free speech.

Weird how it works out.

RE: I don't think he is a good backup  
T-Bone : 4/12/2018 4:23 pm : link
In comment 13911761 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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because of the way he plays. He is the type of player that you have to structure your offense around how he plays. He doesn't really work within a conventional approach to protections etc. And he isn't good enough to be a starter.

The last thing you want for a back up is a guy who plays completely differently from your starter. Rather have an inferior talent, who can play within what you do, then a slightly superior talent that requires changing your approach if he comes in the game.

I just think he is a square peg that doesn't fit for most teams.


Except for a team like Seattle... or perhaps Philly... or Tennessee... that's three teams off the top of my head where a wholesale change of the offensive system wouldn't be necessary.
RE: People have to be reminded what a radical jerk Kaepernick is  
T-Bone : 4/12/2018 4:24 pm : link
In comment 13911805 giant24 said:
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1. Wears pig/cop socks to practice

2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."

3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government

4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assatas Daughters, a Chicago direct action resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.

5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police

6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the groups commitment to develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.

7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.

8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"

9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy

10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."

This guy doesn't deserve a job in the nfl.


No we don't. Because you post this same thing over... and over... and over again... soooooo... thanks for being consistent?
RE: RE: Can we all compromise and just stop having the national anthem  
TJ : 4/12/2018 4:25 pm : link
In comment 13911759 Britt in VA said:
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and/or singing of any kind before a sporting event?



Fine. And then what will be next?


I admit it. I LOLed
RE: RE: People have to be reminded what a radical jerk Kaepernick is  
GMAN4LIFE : 4/12/2018 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13911848 T-Bone said:
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1. Wears pig/cop socks to practice

2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."

3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government

4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assatas Daughters, a Chicago direct action resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.

5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police

6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the groups commitment to develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.

7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.

8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"

9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy

10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."

This guy doesn't deserve a job in the nfl.



No we don't. Because you post this same thing over... and over... and over again... soooooo... thanks for being consistent?


is he wrong though?
I don't like Kap because I think he's disengenuous  
bradshaw44 : 4/12/2018 4:35 pm : link
with his cause based on some of his conflicting actions and comments. But I think it would be absolutely hilarious if some team picks him up, the starter goes down, and Kap leads the team to a Super Bowl victory. I can't even imagine what the media and public at large would be like after the final whistle blew.

And I do think he's better than most back ups out there currently. The guy got his team to the Super Bowl and it wasn't all based on the defense. He's shown in the right system he can get to the big dance.
This is NOT about free speech!  
chopperhatch : 4/12/2018 4:36 pm : link
All of you who keep beating that drum sound incredibly oblivious to the fact that a business is not required to hire you. If you are a marginal performer and you are also a PR pain in the ass, then do not get hired. Thats generally how it works. I dont want to work with a pain in the ass and owners dont want them fucking up chemistry.

Seahawks just win a huge game against an opponent and the fucking back up QB has got the entire media surrounding him asking about social injustices that he isnt even well-versed on...players see that. Coaches see that.

He is absolutely a distraction. The reason why athletes who commit DV are given another chance is because they generally issue a public apology and say they wont do it any more. Then when a reporter asks, they can point to their lack of desire to discuss it further and thats that. Colin has REPEATEDLY refused to stop his "protest." That means owners cannot count on him not being a pain in the ass. What if he gets signed by another team and then he decides to escalate it by having an American flag tucked in the back of his pants so that his ass is always rubbing on the flag? If they try and cut him, they are even bigger racists this time around.

You want a reason why he has no job? Blame today's America. Don't blame the ones who own the business and are responsible for its success. Geno had a job because he kept his mouth shut while at work. Once he is done with football, he can start his huge "Earth is flat" campaign.
RE: RE: RE: I just want to watch football.  
chopperhatch : 4/12/2018 4:38 pm : link
In comment 13911580 GiantGrit said:
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You're entitled to that opinion. And certain players are entitled to their opinion that too many black people get shot by police. And the owners are entitled not to hire those players who kneel. And we're all entitled to bitch at each other about our opinions thanks to Eric hosting this site. It's a better system than "harmony" in China, at least.



Very well said.


Its really not....just covers one view point. If I dared bring up the other view point, I will be called racist and I dont feel like dealing with that here.
RE: .  
allstarjim : 4/12/2018 4:41 pm : link
In comment 13911808 Geomon said:
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False equivalency. One is in reference to private industry, one to a public entity. Also, both are ok at work if the decision makers involved in the administration of each decide that it is ok. So the meme/cartoon here really doesn't make sense and is completely illogical.

RE: RE: RE: People have to be reminded what a radical jerk Kaepernick is  
T-Bone : 4/12/2018 4:41 pm : link
In comment 13911862 GMAN4LIFE said:
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1. Wears pig/cop socks to practice

2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."

3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government

4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assatas Daughters, a Chicago direct action resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.

5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police

6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the groups commitment to develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.

7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.

8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"

9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy

10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."

This guy doesn't deserve a job in the nfl.



No we don't. Because you post this same thing over... and over... and over again... soooooo... thanks for being consistent?



is he wrong though?


Wrong? No.

Repetitive? Yes.

Do I think some of the things on his list (actually, a majority of them) merit him not being allowed to continue his career? Hell no.
LOL you need a link to prove it ....  
Bluesbreaker : 4/12/2018 4:42 pm : link
Maybe CNN can provide one .....
RE: RE: RE: RE: People have to be reminded what a radical jerk Kaepernick is  
GMAN4LIFE : 4/12/2018 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13911885 T-Bone said:
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1. Wears pig/cop socks to practice

2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."

3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government

4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assatas Daughters, a Chicago direct action resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.

5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police

6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the groups commitment to develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.

7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.

8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"

9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy

10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."

This guy doesn't deserve a job in the nfl.



No we don't. Because you post this same thing over... and over... and over again... soooooo... thanks for being consistent?



is he wrong though?



Wrong? No.

Repetitive? Yes.

Do I think some of the things on his list (actually, a majority of them) merit him not being allowed to continue his career? Hell no.


he can continue a career in football. Just not in the NFL.
RE: RE: he doesn't have a right to a job in the NFL  
chopperhatch : 4/12/2018 4:44 pm : link
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so him being better than other backups is pretty irrelevant.



He doesn't have the right... but he should have the opportunity to work when he hasn't broken any laws... particularly when if he HAD broken some laws he'd, in fact, have a job.


T-Bone, but he DOES have the opportunity...hence the few teams pursuing him that have. The league didnt hand down an edict saying no team may hire him unless he stands for the anthem. Teams arent hiring him because his risk does not outweigh the reward. All he has to do is say he won't pursue this while he is hired and all would be fine. He would prob get signed immediately.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Networks should fix this  
allstarjim : 4/12/2018 4:46 pm : link
In comment 13911836 T-Bone said:
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Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?



Or better yet... just leave the teams in the locker room like they used to do!

MAKING a person stand for the National Anthem is about the most UNAmerican thing I can think of... and yet that's exactly what most here and fans of the NFL that have a problem with the kneeling want... but... funny enough... most of the military guys I know and have heard from support the kneeling. Go figure.



It would be UnAmerican if they were MAKING the person to stand. But they aren't...they are compelling them to stand as a condition of employment. If that's a condition of employment, it's not UnAmerican. I personally would have no problem with the elimination of the anthem before games, or keeping the players inside the locker room or tunnel for the anthem. I don't think the owners want that because I think they want the anthem and want their players to be part of the pomp and nationalist ceremony performed prior to a game. If that's the case, that is their right as the business owner and the guy who writes the checks. The checks, now...that are cashed by the players, they have no problem with the owners writing those checks for them to cash, so it would seem that they shouldn't have a problem with complying with a specific set of behavior when representing the company on field, in company uniform.

Don't want to? Somebody else will cash those checks. Pretty simple.



But that's exactly what many want the NFL owners to do... MAKE them stand... and there are owners (like Jones for instance) who have taken it under consideration.


Wrong. They can't MAKE them do anything. They have said if they kneel they won't have a job. That's not the same thing. The 1st Amendment guaranteeing free speech is protected here because nobody can imprison or strip Kaep of his freedom to protest. However, the owners can not be stripped of their right to not have him protest as a member of their organization. That is not the same thing, that is not unAmerican. Free association and the freedom to hire and fire who you want IS just as American as the freedom of speech.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: People have to be reminded what a radical jerk Kaepernick is  
T-Bone : 4/12/2018 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13911887 GMAN4LIFE said:
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1. Wears pig/cop socks to practice

2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."

3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government

4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assatas Daughters, a Chicago direct action resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.

5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police

6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the groups commitment to develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.

7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.

8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"

9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy

10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."

This guy doesn't deserve a job in the nfl.



No we don't. Because you post this same thing over... and over... and over again... soooooo... thanks for being consistent?



is he wrong though?



Wrong? No.

Repetitive? Yes.

Do I think some of the things on his list (actually, a majority of them) merit him not being allowed to continue his career? Hell no.



he can continue a career in football. Just not in the NFL.


Yet.
opportunity in the NFL  
UConn4523 : 4/12/2018 4:49 pm : link
is essentially synonymous with having a contract. In order to have the opportunity to come to camp and earn a roster spot he'd have to have a contract first.

Again, it isn't his right to play in the NFL. He made his bed...

Criminals being given contracts is a whole separate issue, one that I think is pretty ridiculous but you have to put a lot of that blame on the public who mostly don't care about what laws are being broken if TD's are being scored.

Its an unfair world, Colin.
RE: RE: RE: he doesn't have a right to a job in the NFL  
T-Bone : 4/12/2018 4:50 pm : link
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so him being better than other backups is pretty irrelevant.



He doesn't have the right... but he should have the opportunity to work when he hasn't broken any laws... particularly when if he HAD broken some laws he'd, in fact, have a job.



T-Bone, but he DOES have the opportunity...hence the few teams pursuing him that have. The league didnt hand down an edict saying no team may hire him unless he stands for the anthem. Teams arent hiring him because his risk does not outweigh the reward. All he has to do is say he won't pursue this while he is hired and all would be fine. He would prob get signed immediately.


chop - This is where I'm confused because, as someone mentioned earlier, I was under the impression he said he wasn't going to kneel anymore. I'm wondering why he changed his mind?

Personally... if I had a chance to give him some advice... my advice would be to stop the kneeling and do what's best for him. He's brought about awareness to the issue and that can never be changed and now I'd want him to do what's best for HIM... especially since it doesn't seem that the protest had much of an effect anyway.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Networks should fix this  
T-Bone : 4/12/2018 4:51 pm : link
In comment 13911893 allstarjim said:
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Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?



Or better yet... just leave the teams in the locker room like they used to do!

MAKING a person stand for the National Anthem is about the most UNAmerican thing I can think of... and yet that's exactly what most here and fans of the NFL that have a problem with the kneeling want... but... funny enough... most of the military guys I know and have heard from support the kneeling. Go figure.



It would be UnAmerican if they were MAKING the person to stand. But they aren't...they are compelling them to stand as a condition of employment. If that's a condition of employment, it's not UnAmerican. I personally would have no problem with the elimination of the anthem before games, or keeping the players inside the locker room or tunnel for the anthem. I don't think the owners want that because I think they want the anthem and want their players to be part of the pomp and nationalist ceremony performed prior to a game. If that's the case, that is their right as the business owner and the guy who writes the checks. The checks, now...that are cashed by the players, they have no problem with the owners writing those checks for them to cash, so it would seem that they shouldn't have a problem with complying with a specific set of behavior when representing the company on field, in company uniform.

Don't want to? Somebody else will cash those checks. Pretty simple.



But that's exactly what many want the NFL owners to do... MAKE them stand... and there are owners (like Jones for instance) who have taken it under consideration.



Wrong. They can't MAKE them do anything. They have said if they kneel they won't have a job. That's not the same thing. The 1st Amendment guaranteeing free speech is protected here because nobody can imprison or strip Kaep of his freedom to protest. However, the owners can not be stripped of their right to not have him protest as a member of their organization. That is not the same thing, that is not unAmerican. Free association and the freedom to hire and fire who you want IS just as American as the freedom of speech.


I know they can't MAKE them do anything... but again, it's been suggested that they should.
RE: opportunity in the NFL  
T-Bone : 4/12/2018 4:53 pm : link
In comment 13911901 UConn4523 said:
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is essentially synonymous with having a contract. In order to have the opportunity to come to camp and earn a roster spot he'd have to have a contract first.

Again, it isn't his right to play in the NFL. He made his bed...

Criminals being given contracts is a whole separate issue, one that I think is pretty ridiculous but you have to put a lot of that blame on the public who mostly don't care about what laws are being broken if TD's are being scored.

Its an unfair world, Colin.


Yes... this is what it essentially boils down to.
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section125 : 4/12/2018 4:56 pm : link
In comment 13911808 Geomon said:
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Brilliant post.
RE: This is NOT about free speech!  
bw in dc : 4/12/2018 5:02 pm : link
In comment 13911874 chopperhatch said:
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Seahawks just win a huge game against an opponent and the fucking back up QB has got the entire media surrounding him asking about social injustices that he isnt even well-versed on...players see that. Coaches see that.

He is absolutely a distraction.


And he's also suing the NFL - ALL owners. Outside of his protects, this is another fairly large distraction.

But think that's the essence of this - Kaepernick is a distraction. The media - overwhelmingly left leaning - have embraced his cause, and fully. And if Kaepernick gets a contract to join a team you can't help but think the media will circle the new team like a school of sharks around blood.

Kaepernick is at a major crossroads - does he want to play football or does he want to be an activist?
RE: RE: RE: RE: People have to be reminded what a radical jerk Kaepernick is  
giant24 : 4/12/2018 5:07 pm : link
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1. Wears pig/cop socks to practice

2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."

3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government

4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assatas Daughters, a Chicago direct action resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.

5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police

6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the groups commitment to develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.

7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.

8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"

9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy

10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."

This guy doesn't deserve a job in the nfl.



No we don't. Because you post this same thing over... and over... and over again... soooooo... thanks for being consistent?



is he wrong though?



Wrong? No.

Repetitive? Yes.

Do I think some of the things on his list (actually, a majority of them) merit him not being allowed to continue his career? Hell no.


So praising cop killers, racists, murderous dictators and revolutionaries, depicting police as pigs and denouncing the country that made you a famous, multimillionaire is the kind of guy you would want on your football team. I wouldn't.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: People have to be reminded what a radical jerk Kaepernick is  
T-Bone : 4/12/2018 5:24 pm : link
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So praising cop killers, racists, murderous dictators and revolutionaries, depicting police as pigs and denouncing the country that made you a famous, multimillionaire is the kind of guy you would want on your football team. I wouldn't.


I'm REALLY not trying to get banned today so I'll just say... well... no, I won't even say that.

Have a good night.
RE: RE: RE: RE: he doesn't have a right to a job in the NFL  
chopperhatch : 4/12/2018 5:26 pm : link
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so him being better than other backups is pretty irrelevant.



He doesn't have the right... but he should have the opportunity to work when he hasn't broken any laws... particularly when if he HAD broken some laws he'd, in fact, have a job.



T-Bone, but he DOES have the opportunity...hence the few teams pursuing him that have. The league didnt hand down an edict saying no team may hire him unless he stands for the anthem. Teams arent hiring him because his risk does not outweigh the reward. All he has to do is say he won't pursue this while he is hired and all would be fine. He would prob get signed immediately.



chop - This is where I'm confused because, as someone mentioned earlier, I was under the impression he said he wasn't going to kneel anymore. I'm wondering why he changed his mind?

Personally... if I had a chance to give him some advice... my advice would be to stop the kneeling and do what's best for him. He's brought about awareness to the issue and that can never be changed and now I'd want him to do what's best for HIM... especially since it doesn't seem that the protest had much of an effect anyway.


Well according to the second set of tweets, it seems like the Seahawks (with arguably the most liberal fanbased and state in the entire country) are trying to get him to agree to some parameters in the interest of maintaining the integrity of thwir brand, and he has failed to do so.

It is DAMNING how many teams who were/are desperate for a QB, especially with his talent and he still has no job. I think many of you look at him as if he was Jackie Robinson being held back when in reality hes a mediocre QB who ruffles feathers.
People want to get rid of Odell because of his  
ZogZerg : 4/12/2018 5:32 pm : link
distractions and he is a star.

Can't blame owners for not wanting to take on a distraction for a backup QB that may not fit the offense they run. Just not worth it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: he doesn't have a right to a job in the NFL  
T-Bone : 4/12/2018 5:36 pm : link
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so him being better than other backups is pretty irrelevant.



He doesn't have the right... but he should have the opportunity to work when he hasn't broken any laws... particularly when if he HAD broken some laws he'd, in fact, have a job.



T-Bone, but he DOES have the opportunity...hence the few teams pursuing him that have. The league didnt hand down an edict saying no team may hire him unless he stands for the anthem. Teams arent hiring him because his risk does not outweigh the reward. All he has to do is say he won't pursue this while he is hired and all would be fine. He would prob get signed immediately.



chop - This is where I'm confused because, as someone mentioned earlier, I was under the impression he said he wasn't going to kneel anymore. I'm wondering why he changed his mind?

Personally... if I had a chance to give him some advice... my advice would be to stop the kneeling and do what's best for him. He's brought about awareness to the issue and that can never be changed and now I'd want him to do what's best for HIM... especially since it doesn't seem that the protest had much of an effect anyway.



Well according to the second set of tweets, it seems like the Seahawks (with arguably the most liberal fanbased and state in the entire country) are trying to get him to agree to some parameters in the interest of maintaining the integrity of thwir brand, and he has failed to do so.

It is DAMNING how many teams who were/are desperate for a QB, especially with his talent and he still has no job. I think many of you look at him as if he was Jackie Robinson being held back when in reality hes a mediocre QB who ruffles feathers.


It's my understanding that they wanted to him to let them know what his future plans were as far as the protests go and he didn't have one to give them (I wonder if he was informed to have a plan in place?). Let's keep in mind the wording of the announcement... the Seahawks POSTPONED the visit... not cancelled. In other words, they're still willing to allow him to at least get his foot in the door... which is really all anyone can ask for right now.

Lastly, it's funny how in one sentence you say 'a QB, especially with is talent...' and then in the very next sentence call him 'mediocre'. LOL!

giant24  
Chris684 : 4/12/2018 5:44 pm : link
With the post that pretty much ends the discussion.

Theres nothing left to say unless you happen to agree with any of those undisputed actions of CK.
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giant24 : 4/12/2018 5:45 pm : link
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I'm REALLY not trying to get banned today so I'll just say... well... no, I won't even say that.

Have a good night.
And to you also.
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chopperhatch : 4/12/2018 5:46 pm : link
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so him being better than other backups is pretty irrelevant.



He doesn't have the right... but he should have the opportunity to work when he hasn't broken any laws... particularly when if he HAD broken some laws he'd, in fact, have a job.



T-Bone, but he DOES have the opportunity...hence the few teams pursuing him that have. The league didnt hand down an edict saying no team may hire him unless he stands for the anthem. Teams arent hiring him because his risk does not outweigh the reward. All he has to do is say he won't pursue this while he is hired and all would be fine. He would prob get signed immediately.



chop - This is where I'm confused because, as someone mentioned earlier, I was under the impression he said he wasn't going to kneel anymore. I'm wondering why he changed his mind?

Personally... if I had a chance to give him some advice... my advice would be to stop the kneeling and do what's best for him. He's brought about awareness to the issue and that can never be changed and now I'd want him to do what's best for HIM... especially since it doesn't seem that the protest had much of an effect anyway.



Well according to the second set of tweets, it seems like the Seahawks (with arguably the most liberal fanbased and state in the entire country) are trying to get him to agree to some parameters in the interest of maintaining the integrity of thwir brand, and he has failed to do so.

It is DAMNING how many teams who were/are desperate for a QB, especially with his talent and he still has no job. I think many of you look at him as if he was Jackie Robinson being held back when in reality hes a mediocre QB who ruffles feathers.



It's my understanding that they wanted to him to let them know what his future plans were as far as the protests go and he didn't have one to give them (I wonder if he was informed to have a plan in place?). Let's keep in mind the wording of the announcement... the Seahawks POSTPONED the visit... not cancelled. In other words, they're still willing to allow him to at least get his foot in the door... which is really all anyone can ask for right now.

Lastly, it's funny how in one sentence you say 'a QB, especially with is talent...' and then in the very next sentence call him 'mediocre'. LOL!


His performance has been mediocre for a while now. But his talent has never beeen disputed. His talent is the only reason he is even a relevant option. Ryan Leaf had worlds of talent too.

Read it how you will T, but obviously he is not doing everything in his power to get a deal done. Seems highly unlikely that he is 100% conforming to any contractual stipulations vis a vis his protests.

Lastly T. Dont let the hyenas chase you away from a good discussion. If I can ignore the trolls, so can you.
Too bad for him that he didn't  
Metnut : 4/12/2018 5:49 pm : link
hit a woman. NFL teams have little issue with that. It's exorcising free speech and smoking marijuana that really get players in trouble.
If the Giants signed him,  
Bill L : 4/12/2018 5:51 pm : link
Would you guys let me pick Barkley?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: he doesn't have a right to a job in the NFL  
giant24 : 4/12/2018 5:58 pm : link
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Lastly T. Dont let the hyenas chase you away from a good discussion. If I can ignore the trolls, so can you.



Haha - troll and hyena for posting facts about Kaepernicks own documented actions that can be proven with a simple google search. Ok then.
LOL at Chopperhatch  
Metnut : 4/12/2018 6:11 pm : link
calling someone else a troll. The dude was on Mets threads during the playoffs constantly taking shots at the Mets and posters on those threads. Amazing that his focus was on the Mets while his team was in the playoffs.

He hasn't been on any Mets threads this year! I wonder why? I'll look out for him during the first losing streak.
I don't see why anyone would deny  
DonQuixote : 4/12/2018 6:25 pm : link
his constitutional rights to express himself.

What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.

CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.

For the record,  
T-Bone : 4/12/2018 6:26 pm : link
No one is running me off. There was a... Ill call it dangerous (for my continued ability to post here)... comment I wanted to say in response to giants24s post. But like I said, Ill be pissed if I let myself get banned two weeks before the draft. So I decided to keep it to myself.

Besides, although somewhat annoyingly, consistently repetitive with his reasoning for not liking Kap, I can see how some things on his list would ruffle some feathers (for example the pig socks... which I too thought was pretty stupid of him to wear) but there are some things he obviously sees from a perspective different than my own (like #s 2, 7 & 9 on his list) that I necessarily dont have an issue with but can see how someone like himself would take issue with (at least based on his previous posts anyway).

Lastly, Ive been around here long enough that itll take much more than giants24 to run me off. Thats reserved for the true heavyweights like yourself lol.
How about just not show it on tv anymore  
eli4life : 4/12/2018 6:27 pm : link
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RE: I don't see why anyone would deny  
T-Bone : 4/12/2018 6:28 pm : link
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his constitutional rights to express himself.

What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.

CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.




Very nice post sir!
RE: I don't see why anyone would deny  
Mike from SI : 4/12/2018 6:31 pm : link
In comment 13912011 DonQuixote said:
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his constitutional rights to express himself.

What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.

CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.


I agree with your overall point but the NFL is not the government and he therefore is not being denied any constitutional right.
RE: I don't see why anyone would deny  
paesan98 : 4/12/2018 6:39 pm : link
In comment 13912011 DonQuixote said:
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his constitutional rights to express himself.

What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.

CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.


No one is denying him his right to express himself. What many people seem to forget is that playing football is a JOB. What would happen if you or I went to work and protested about something that has nothing to do with our jobs while we were being paid to do that job? I don't know about you, but I would be told to stop immediately and get back to work, the work I m being paid to do. If I choose not to do so, I would be looking for a new job.
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T-Bone : 4/12/2018 6:57 pm : link
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his constitutional rights to express himself.

What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.

CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.




No one is denying him his right to express himself. What many people seem to forget is that playing football is a JOB. What would happen if you or I went to work and protested about something that has nothing to do with our jobs while we were being paid to do that job? I don't know about you, but I would be told to stop immediately and get back to work, the work I m being paid to do. If I choose not to do so, I would be looking for a new job.


When has standing for the national anthem been a required part of the job description for an NFL player?
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allstarjim : 4/12/2018 7:03 pm : link
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his constitutional rights to express himself.

What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.

CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.




No one is denying him his right to express himself. What many people seem to forget is that playing football is a JOB. What would happen if you or I went to work and protested about something that has nothing to do with our jobs while we were being paid to do that job? I don't know about you, but I would be told to stop immediately and get back to work, the work I m being paid to do. If I choose not to do so, I would be looking for a new job.



When has standing for the national anthem been a required part of the job description for an NFL player?




This has been part of the NFL game operations manual for a long time. Regardless, any member organization can make employee policy at any time, subject to change and at their discretion. This is work, it's business, it's companies and employees. It has nothing to do with rights, freedoms, or social justice and causes. Nobody is stopping Kaepernick or anyone else from taking whatever political stance they want or speaking about whatever cause or issue they want. They are stopping them from doing it as a member of their football organization.
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T-Bone : 4/12/2018 7:10 pm : link
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his constitutional rights to express himself.

What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.

CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.




No one is denying him his right to express himself. What many people seem to forget is that playing football is a JOB. What would happen if you or I went to work and protested about something that has nothing to do with our jobs while we were being paid to do that job? I don't know about you, but I would be told to stop immediately and get back to work, the work I m being paid to do. If I choose not to do so, I would be looking for a new job.



When has standing for the national anthem been a required part of the job description for an NFL player?





This has been part of the NFL game operations manual for a long time. Regardless, any member organization can make employee policy at any time, subject to change and at their discretion. This is work, it's business, it's companies and employees. It has nothing to do with rights, freedoms, or social justice and causes. Nobody is stopping Kaepernick or anyone else from taking whatever political stance they want or speaking about whatever cause or issue they want. They are stopping them from doing it as a member of their football organization.


Ive seen that before and I may be wrong but its not a requirement, or else they wouldve been enforcing it no?
Didnt the NFL say  
UConn4523 : 4/12/2018 7:29 pm : link
they arent enforcing it shortly after this all started?
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DonQuixote : 4/12/2018 7:33 pm : link
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his constitutional rights to express himself.

What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.

CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.




No one is denying him his right to express himself. What many people seem to forget is that playing football is a JOB. What would happen if you or I went to work and protested about something that has nothing to do with our jobs while we were being paid to do that job? I don't know about you, but I would be told to stop immediately and get back to work, the work I m being paid to do. If I choose not to do so, I would be looking for a new job.



When has standing for the national anthem been a required part of the job description for an NFL player?





This has been part of the NFL game operations manual for a long time. Regardless, any member organization can make employee policy at any time, subject to change and at their discretion. This is work, it's business, it's companies and employees. It has nothing to do with rights, freedoms, or social justice and causes. Nobody is stopping Kaepernick or anyone else from taking whatever political stance they want or speaking about whatever cause or issue they want. They are stopping them from doing it as a member of their football organization.


I'm just a random white guy, but I think CK is representing the very best traditions of our society. You can talk all you want about the rights of employers and all that, and I would agree, but they are on the wrong side of history.

I have a suggestion...why don't we listen to what these players are trying to tell us and deal with the inequalities that actually exist and affect their lives and the lives of their families.
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DonQuixote : 4/12/2018 7:38 pm : link
In comment 13912019 Mike from SI said:
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his constitutional rights to express himself.

What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.

CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.




I agree with your overall point but the NFL is not the government and he therefore is not being denied any constitutional right.


We all have something to say. For most of us nobody is listening. Now imagine you become an NFL QB and suddenly people start listening to what you have to say. That is your time to make a difference and I think that is what CK is doing. 10 years from now these players are just regular guys and nobody cares what they think. Now is the time to take a knee and take a stance. Is it really so hard for us to respect their experiences?
True but...  
redwhiteandbigblue : 4/12/2018 7:53 pm : link
Kaep still does not understand by doing what he is doing (kneeling during National Anthem), that he may have killed his career. THIS IS NOT POLITICAL. NFL team owners are no different than any other business owner. If what he is doing may bring bad press or bad reputation to your business you have every right not to hire them. It is your money on the line. While I support the cause, poor choice of platform. With all the money these guys make, how about paying for a PSA and make your voice heard. If I were an NFL owner I would not want him on my team either.
I think he does understand  
UConn4523 : 4/12/2018 8:00 pm : link
but if he stops trying his movement loses steam. If he gets a contract he gets money + the public spotlight for his cause. If he gets no contract he can continue to beat the drum of being blackballed due to his cause.

Its a win win for him.
RE: RE: Networks should fix this  
Reb8thVA : 4/12/2018 8:04 pm : link
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Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?



Or better yet... just leave the teams in the locker room like they used to do!

MAKING a person stand for the National Anthem is about the most UNAmerican thing I can think of... and yet that's exactly what most here and fans of the NFL that have a problem with the kneeling want... but... funny enough... most of the military guys I know and have heard from support the kneeling. Go figure.


+1
DonQuixote  
10thAve : 4/12/2018 8:06 pm : link
Great posts in this thread, they just ring of common sense.

I dont understand why people get so bent out of shape because some guys kneel to bring attention to a cause they want to bring to the forefront. God forbid someone different from you has a voice and wants to take a stand for something. And yes, the owners have the right to deny them employment. The players who kneel have repeatedly stated their reasons for doing so, and also the meaning behind it (i.e. not doing it to disrespect the flag, the military, etc.). Drawing attention to their cause can only help bring it to light for those people that are typically not impacted by these issues, thus getting more people to assist and help out.
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Reb8thVA : 4/12/2018 8:07 pm : link
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his constitutional rights to express himself.

What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.

CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.




No one is denying him his right to express himself. What many people seem to forget is that playing football is a JOB. What would happen if you or I went to work and protested about something that has nothing to do with our jobs while we were being paid to do that job? I don't know about you, but I would be told to stop immediately and get back to work, the work I m being paid to do. If I choose not to do so, I would be looking for a new job.



When has standing for the national anthem been a required part of the job description for an NFL player?





This has been part of the NFL game operations manual for a long time. Regardless, any member organization can make employee policy at any time, subject to change and at their discretion. This is work, it's business, it's companies and employees. It has nothing to do with rights, freedoms, or social justice and causes. Nobody is stopping Kaepernick or anyone else from taking whatever political stance they want or speaking about whatever cause or issue they want. They are stopping them from doing it as a member of their football organization.



I'm just a random white guy, but I think CK is representing the very best traditions of our society. You can talk all you want about the rights of employers and all that, and I would agree, but they are on the wrong side of history.

I have a suggestion...why don't we listen to what these players are trying to tell us and deal with the inequalities that actually exist and affect their lives and the lives of their families.


Amen
While I support his right  
UESBLUE : 4/12/2018 8:24 pm : link
to kneel I simply think its getting old and hed be more productive for his cause by venturing into other areas. He should start by hiring a publicist and perhaps penning an editorial for a major paper.
If you consider  
redwhiteandbigblue : 4/12/2018 8:31 pm : link
throwing your career and losing tens of millions of dollars as a win/win, so be it. To me that is a lose/lose. Pick a better platform to voice your opinion. You are a prominent athlete, your point can be made in other ways that will get the publics attention.
If you consider  
redwhiteandbigblue : 4/12/2018 8:31 pm : link
throwing your career and losing tens of millions of dollars as a win/win, so be it. To me that is a lose/lose. Pick a better platform to voice your opinion. You are a prominent athlete, your point can be made in other ways that will get the publics attention.
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DonQuixote : 4/12/2018 8:33 pm : link
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Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?



Or better yet... just leave the teams in the locker room like they used to do!

MAKING a person stand for the National Anthem is about the most UNAmerican thing I can think of... and yet that's exactly what most here and fans of the NFL that have a problem with the kneeling want... but... funny enough... most of the military guys I know and have heard from support the kneeling. Go figure.



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DonQuixote : 4/12/2018 8:39 pm : link
In comment 13912137 10thAve said:
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Great posts in this thread, they just ring of common sense.

I dont understand why people get so bent out of shape because some guys kneel to bring attention to a cause they want to bring to the forefront. God forbid someone different from you has a voice and wants to take a stand for something. And yes, the owners have the right to deny them employment. The players who kneel have repeatedly stated their reasons for doing so, and also the meaning behind it (i.e. not doing it to disrespect the flag, the military, etc.). Drawing attention to their cause can only help bring it to light for those people that are typically not impacted by these issues, thus getting more people to assist and help out.


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It's a simple business issue.  
Tom in NY : 4/12/2018 9:43 pm : link
The owners know that people have stopped watching the games due to this issue. No moral compass. No patriotic thought process. Just the facts, ratings are down and they have feedback it's at least partially due to the protests.

The NFL is a business and the protests have hurt the business. No one would willfully employ someone to their business that would hurt their profits.

Maybe the national anthem before sports games is outdated  
xman : 4/12/2018 9:58 pm : link
Maybe. I don't see it at opera, Broadway shows etc.
RE: LOL at Chopperhatch  
chopperhatch : 4/12/2018 10:10 pm : link
In comment 13912003 Metnut said:
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calling someone else a troll. The dude was on Mets threads during the playoffs constantly taking shots at the Mets and posters on those threads. Amazing that his focus was on the Mets while his team was in the playoffs.

He hasn't been on any Mets threads this year! I wonder why? I'll look out for him during the first losing streak.



Huh? Ur confusing me woth another poster. I was not on the computer during the Yanks playoffs this past year. I think the closest I could come to trolling would be when I happened on a Mets thread (because believe it or not, I care about the Mets being successful) and it was around when the "our town" comments were being debated. I may have trash talked a little overly exhuberant Mets optimisn
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kes722 : 4/12/2018 11:56 pm : link
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mdc1 : 2:39 pm : link : reply
This fucknut started the flame that tanked the NFL ratings last year.


Link to the data that shows kneeling and not the enormous influx streaming cable cutters was the largest cause of any ratings drop?


Been a gman fan since i was born, i watched 1 games last year.

To take a BS narrative, and disrespect my country for it... i wont give you my views.

Im a giants fan and always will be, but i wont watch a game until this shit is over

People do care.

He sucks  
kes722 : 4/13/2018 12:04 am : link
And isnt a good player! Ray lewis killed a guy and is now an sports caster...

LT = coke head

Ray rice = wife beater

No body cared because they were good...he was shit, got benched, stared kneeling, and is now out of a job... fuck him dont care
3/18  
chopperhatch : 4/13/2018 12:57 am : link
Is officially worse than 3/05
The only thing thats un-American  
Chris684 : 4/13/2018 7:13 am : link
Is when someone HAS to be told to stand for the National Anthem.

Some of you need a history lesson. Or a trip to Arlington National Cemetery.

Theres always the CFL Colin!
RE: DonQuixote  
Bill L : 4/13/2018 7:29 am : link
In comment 13912137 10thAve said:
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Great posts in this thread, they just ring of common sense.

I dont understand why people get so bent out of shape because some guys kneel to bring attention to a cause they want to bring to the forefront. God forbid someone different from you has a voice and wants to take a stand for something. And yes, the owners have the right to deny them employment. The players who kneel have repeatedly stated their reasons for doing so, and also the meaning behind it (i.e. not doing it to disrespect the flag, the military, etc.). Drawing attention to their cause can only help bring it to light for those people that are typically not impacted by these issues, thus getting more people to assist and help out.
I don't really have a feeling on this issue other than all the parties are doing what they feel they need to do and are all within their rights to do it. So, from that perspective, the market seems to be working.

But just from a philosophical, debating pov, what is the role of intent versus perception in all of this and is there or should there be consistency?

You point out that there is an action taken and that there is no intent to offend potential targets (e.g.; the military). So, the intent is harmless and thus the action should take that into account and people should be okay with it.

It just came to mind because I was listening to some voices on ESPN radio yesterday (can't recall who) and they arguing about the usage of "cotton-picking..." I had just turned it on and I am not sure of the genesis of the discussion and, quite frankly, "cotton-picking..." is a term I haven't heard in several decades. Anyway, whatever use prompted the discussion, all parties agreed that the usage was an idiom, maybe a substitute for a vulgarity (i.e.; "out of your fucking cotton-pickin' mind") and that there was no intent to offend or insult. But, there was still a debate about usage because the onus is on the speaker not to say it, rather than the listener to judge and weigh intent.

That's one incident, but I'm sure we can all think of others where if a person is offended, whether or not that feeling is rational or applicable to the situation, outweighs everything else, whereas the character of the actor or the intent of the action does not count at all.

Anyway, you post made me wonder about that in the context of who perceive the kneeling versus any intent or lack of intent to offend.

I actually think all parties would be more  
UConn4523 : 4/13/2018 7:35 am : link
behind and accepting of his cause if Kaepernick didnt wear pig socks and Castro shirts. By doing that he became just another asshole, insulting too many people while trying to make his point.

In the end he wins regardless of outcome, but I really do think this could have been much more accepted had he not come out like an uneducated, immature child when this all started.
RE: The only thing thats un-American  
T-Bone : 4/13/2018 7:38 am : link
In comment 13912399 Chris684 said:
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Is when someone HAS to be told to stand for the National Anthem.

Some of you need a history lesson. Or a trip to Arlington National Cemetery.

Theres always the CFL Colin!


Oh give me a break. Im not sure telling me to look back on this countrys history... particularly when it comes to the treatment of minorities... as a way to win this argument.

Neither is trying to make the protest anti-military in nature, which time and again every single player has said is not the case (even altering the way theyve been protesting, from sitting to kneeling instead, out of respect for the military).

But please feel free to keep the straw men coming!
RE: I actually think all parties would be more  
T-Bone : 4/13/2018 7:42 am : link
In comment 13912410 UConn4523 said:
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behind and accepting of his cause if Kaepernick didnt wear pig socks and Castro shirts. By doing that he became just another asshole, insulting too many people while trying to make his point.

In the end he wins regardless of outcome, but I really do think this could have been much more accepted had he not come out like an uneducated, immature child when this all started.


I agree 100% with the first paragraph.

The second? Eh... I mean, his goal is to stop the unnecessary killing of unarmed minorities and have those that do be held more accountable for their actions. Not sure hes going to win there but itd sure be nice if he did/could!
Bill L  
T-Bone : 4/13/2018 7:43 am : link
This thing over that cotton-pickin comment is up there with some of the dumbest shit to have a gripe about that Ive ever seen.
It's a business decision  
Gman11 : 4/13/2018 7:44 am : link
Seahawks: Are you going to continue to be a distraction and alienate a number of our customers thereby costing us money in lost ticket sales and concessions?

Kap: Um, probably.

Seahawks: Never mind, then.

Kap: These racists have conspired against me.
T Bone  
UConn4523 : 4/13/2018 8:08 am : link
the winning either way comment was about him playing again or not playing and furthering his cause in the process.
RE: RE: I actually think all parties would be more  
pjcas18 : 4/13/2018 8:16 am : link
In comment 13912417 T-Bone said:
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behind and accepting of his cause if Kaepernick didnt wear pig socks and Castro shirts. By doing that he became just another asshole, insulting too many people while trying to make his point.

In the end he wins regardless of outcome, but I really do think this could have been much more accepted had he not come out like an uneducated, immature child when this all started.



I agree 100% with the first paragraph.

The second? Eh... I mean, his goal is to stop the unnecessary killing of unarmed minorities and have those that do be held more accountable for their actions. Not sure hes going to win there but itd sure be nice if he did/could!


Do you think people at NFL games, or fans of NFL games, by and large support the unnecessary killing of unarmed minorities?

I won't speak for everyone, but I feel like the people who do support that are probably the same number of people who don't care about the daily murders in Chicago and DC or Baltimore.

this is my only issue with the protests, I don't think they're reaching their intended audience.

And they're alienating people who already support their cause (for the most part).

My father is a Vietnam Veteran and he's a cantankerous old man now, and he has no issue with the kneeling. He has issues with every player these days. he couldn't stand Shockey, couldn't stand Strahan (for the hold out threats) he wanted to trade Strahan before the 2007 season. LOL. He loved LT and the old school players.

We've discussed the protests, because as a veteran I wanted his opinion.

He would prefer there were simply nothing to protest (wouldn't we all?) and if he had his way would rather a different manner of protest, but he's not going to boycott or get upset over the protests - especially if the situation is real and warrants it.

However he understands why people do get upset about it. And by and large those are the people whose families have sacrificed and the flag has special meaning to them.

And as for intent, since when does intent ever matter with what someone can find offense? Every halloween you find well-intentioned white kids dressing up in black face - many times out of admiration for Mike Tyson or Prince or whoever - and practically ruining their lives because they don't understand the history. But, their intent was pure, right?

Flipside argument, just throwing it out there (not that I believe it)  
Britt in VA : 4/13/2018 9:56 am : link
but Devil's Advocate and all....

Maybe Kaepernick doesn't actually want to sign for a team. Maybe if he signs for a team, he is relegated to a back up role, or worse... gets to play and is unimpressive/average/ordinary.

He'd go from being a somebody to a nobody without the whole protest thing. In fact, he was teetering that line when this whole thing started.

Maybe controversy creates cash, as they say, and actually signing with a team and giving up the kneeling etc... makes him just another guy, and his 15 minutes are up.
pj  
T-Bone : 4/13/2018 10:18 am : link
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Do you think people at NFL games, or fans of NFL games, by and large support the unnecessary killing of unarmed minorities?

I won't speak for everyone, but I feel like the people who do support that are probably the same number of people who don't care about the daily murders in Chicago and DC or Baltimore.

this is my only issue with the protests, I don't think they're reaching their intended audience.

And they're alienating people who already support their cause (for the most part).

My father is a Vietnam Veteran and he's a cantankerous old man now, and he has no issue with the kneeling. He has issues with every player these days. he couldn't stand Shockey, couldn't stand Strahan (for the hold out threats) he wanted to trade Strahan before the 2007 season. LOL. He loved LT and the old school players.

We've discussed the protests, because as a veteran I wanted his opinion.

He would prefer there were simply nothing to protest (wouldn't we all?) and if he had his way would rather a different manner of protest, but he's not going to boycott or get upset over the protests - especially if the situation is real and warrants it.

However he understands why people do get upset about it. And by and large those are the people whose families have sacrificed and the flag has special meaning to them.

And as for intent, since when does intent ever matter with what someone can find offense? Every halloween you find well-intentioned white kids dressing up in black face - many times out of admiration for Mike Tyson or Prince or whoever - and practically ruining their lives because they don't understand the history. But, their intent was pure, right?


Do I think that? Of course not. And I agree with you 100% in that the message is not reaching the intended audience and the way it (the protesting) has been enacted is a huge reason why. Again, I've repeatedly said that although I agree 100% with the reason behind the protest, I'm not sure I agree with the method... and it's the method that has turned off a lot of people who otherwise probably would give more support to the cause behind it. It (the method) was just very sloppily done and didn't appear to have much thought behind it with regards to the potential effect it may have on public opinion. Which is a shame because it's a very real problem that's affecting not just minorities but all private citizens of all races and it needs to be looked at and fixed.

RE: pj  
pjcas18 : 4/13/2018 10:20 am : link
In comment 13912650 T-Bone said:
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Do you think people at NFL games, or fans of NFL games, by and large support the unnecessary killing of unarmed minorities?

I won't speak for everyone, but I feel like the people who do support that are probably the same number of people who don't care about the daily murders in Chicago and DC or Baltimore.

this is my only issue with the protests, I don't think they're reaching their intended audience.

And they're alienating people who already support their cause (for the most part).

My father is a Vietnam Veteran and he's a cantankerous old man now, and he has no issue with the kneeling. He has issues with every player these days. he couldn't stand Shockey, couldn't stand Strahan (for the hold out threats) he wanted to trade Strahan before the 2007 season. LOL. He loved LT and the old school players.

We've discussed the protests, because as a veteran I wanted his opinion.

He would prefer there were simply nothing to protest (wouldn't we all?) and if he had his way would rather a different manner of protest, but he's not going to boycott or get upset over the protests - especially if the situation is real and warrants it.

However he understands why people do get upset about it. And by and large those are the people whose families have sacrificed and the flag has special meaning to them.

And as for intent, since when does intent ever matter with what someone can find offense? Every halloween you find well-intentioned white kids dressing up in black face - many times out of admiration for Mike Tyson or Prince or whoever - and practically ruining their lives because they don't understand the history. But, their intent was pure, right?




Do I think that? Of course not. And I agree with you 100% in that the message is not reaching the intended audience and the way it (the protesting) has been enacted is a huge reason why. Again, I've repeatedly said that although I agree 100% with the reason behind the protest, I'm not sure I agree with the method... and it's the method that has turned off a lot of people who otherwise probably would give more support to the cause behind it. It (the method) was just very sloppily done and didn't appear to have much thought behind it with regards to the potential effect it may have on public opinion. Which is a shame because it's a very real problem that's affecting not just minorities but all private citizens of all races and it needs to be looked at and fixed.


Agree T-Bone.
Agree with that as well.  
Britt in VA : 4/13/2018 10:21 am : link
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RE: Flipside argument, just throwing it out there (not that I believe it)  
T-Bone : 4/13/2018 10:26 am : link
In comment 13912621 Britt in VA said:
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but Devil's Advocate and all....

Maybe Kaepernick doesn't actually want to sign for a team. Maybe if he signs for a team, he is relegated to a back up role, or worse... gets to play and is unimpressive/average/ordinary.

He'd go from being a somebody to a nobody without the whole protest thing. In fact, he was teetering that line when this whole thing started.

Maybe controversy creates cash, as they say, and actually signing with a team and giving up the kneeling etc... makes him just another guy, and his 15 minutes are up.


That's a hard sell to me Britt. You're basically implying that after all that he's been through and stated many times how much he wants to play... that he's now scared to try to play a game he's played since he was a kid because he's scared he's no longer going to be important? I don't see it. If that was the case he'd simply just be fine with not being scooped up by a team.

Let's be clear about something... IMO, no matter what happens to him from the point where this protest started... til now and going forward... the name Colin Kaepernick will have a place in US sports and history forever. I truly believe that. I don't see his '15 minutes' going away any time soon or in the near future. I don't think his is a name that will soon be forgotten whether he plays another down or not. Here it is two years after the start of the protest and just look at the amount of posts a thread with his name in it has generated.
again... all this talk for a backup...  
GMAN4LIFE : 4/13/2018 10:26 am : link
is why teams dont want him.
RE: again... all this talk for a backup...  
T-Bone : 4/13/2018 10:28 am : link
In comment 13912678 GMAN4LIFE said:
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is why teams dont want him.


And yet there are about 3 or 4 teams that he'd probably be able to start for tomorrow if given the chance.
RE: RE: Flipside argument, just throwing it out there (not that I believe it)  
Britt in VA : 4/13/2018 10:28 am : link
In comment 13912675 T-Bone said:
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In comment 13912621 Britt in VA said:


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but Devil's Advocate and all....

Maybe Kaepernick doesn't actually want to sign for a team. Maybe if he signs for a team, he is relegated to a back up role, or worse... gets to play and is unimpressive/average/ordinary.

He'd go from being a somebody to a nobody without the whole protest thing. In fact, he was teetering that line when this whole thing started.

Maybe controversy creates cash, as they say, and actually signing with a team and giving up the kneeling etc... makes him just another guy, and his 15 minutes are up.



That's a hard sell to me Britt. You're basically implying that after all that he's been through and stated many times how much he wants to play... that he's now scared to try to play a game he's played since he was a kid because he's scared he's no longer going to be important? I don't see it. If that was the case he'd simply just be fine with not being scooped up by a team.

Let's be clear about something... IMO, no matter what happens to him from the point where this protest started... til now and going forward... the name Colin Kaepernick will have a place in US sports and history forever. I truly believe that. I don't see his '15 minutes' going away any time soon or in the near future. I don't think his is a name that will soon be forgotten whether he plays another down or not. Here it is two years after the start of the protest and just look at the amount of posts a thread with his name in it has generated.


I was just basing it off of the rumors that were circulating last year in regards to teams bringing him in, and him having unreasonable contract demands. 17 million per year if I'm remembering correctly. Basically starters money. I remember thinking, "why would he do that?", and this thought crept in to my mind.
I mean, he could take a one year prove it deal....  
Britt in VA : 4/13/2018 10:31 am : link
and show a team that he's all about helping the team, being a great player, and not hurting the team business.

Wouldn't that have been an easy answer to Seattle's question?
RE: RE: again... all this talk for a backup...  
GMAN4LIFE : 4/13/2018 10:36 am : link
In comment 13912682 T-Bone said:
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is why teams dont want him.



And yet there are about 3 or 4 teams that he'd probably be able to start for tomorrow if given the chance.


which teams? All these teams can use him and then when they draft a QB and put him in. The media will call for him and talks and yada yada. Again, blame the media.

and what happened with the Ravens when talks were happening? He almost got a job until his girl got involved.

Listen, i think the guy is awesome for what he is doing. Hell i dont want him playing so he can be more devoted to the real fight in the world. But the fact that he wants to use this platform for it, seems very odd. He doesnt really want football.

but whatever. All this talk is again my assumption as to why they dont want him.
RE: RE: RE: Flipside argument, just throwing it out there (not that I believe it)  
T-Bone : 4/13/2018 10:40 am : link
In comment 13912683 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 13912675 T-Bone said:


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In comment 13912621 Britt in VA said:


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but Devil's Advocate and all....

Maybe Kaepernick doesn't actually want to sign for a team. Maybe if he signs for a team, he is relegated to a back up role, or worse... gets to play and is unimpressive/average/ordinary.

He'd go from being a somebody to a nobody without the whole protest thing. In fact, he was teetering that line when this whole thing started.

Maybe controversy creates cash, as they say, and actually signing with a team and giving up the kneeling etc... makes him just another guy, and his 15 minutes are up.



That's a hard sell to me Britt. You're basically implying that after all that he's been through and stated many times how much he wants to play... that he's now scared to try to play a game he's played since he was a kid because he's scared he's no longer going to be important? I don't see it. If that was the case he'd simply just be fine with not being scooped up by a team.

Let's be clear about something... IMO, no matter what happens to him from the point where this protest started... til now and going forward... the name Colin Kaepernick will have a place in US sports and history forever. I truly believe that. I don't see his '15 minutes' going away any time soon or in the near future. I don't think his is a name that will soon be forgotten whether he plays another down or not. Here it is two years after the start of the protest and just look at the amount of posts a thread with his name in it has generated.



I was just basing it off of the rumors that were circulating last year in regards to teams bringing him in, and him having unreasonable contract demands. 17 million per year if I'm remembering correctly. Basically starters money. I remember thinking, "why would he do that?", and this thought crept in to my mind.


Well... like you said, they were rumors. Who knows what he was asking for? And if even if he was asking for it... if a team came back and stated that they weren't going to pay him anything close to that and that he can play for them for the league minimum.. and he didn't take that deal... that's on him. My personal opinion is that if he was offered that, he'd take it... but who knows?
RE: I mean, he could take a one year prove it deal....  
T-Bone : 4/13/2018 10:42 am : link
In comment 13912691 Britt in VA said:
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and show a team that he's all about helping the team, being a great player, and not hurting the team business.

Wouldn't that have been an easy answer to Seattle's question?


Yeah... I think so... and maybe he was considering it based off the Seahawks saying they were postponing the visit. But I just saw that they already signed another guy so I guess that option is no longer on the table for him.
RE: RE: RE: again... all this talk for a backup...  
T-Bone : 4/13/2018 10:46 am : link
In comment 13912710 GMAN4LIFE said:
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In comment 13912682 T-Bone said:


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In comment 13912678 GMAN4LIFE said:


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is why teams dont want him.



And yet there are about 3 or 4 teams that he'd probably be able to start for tomorrow if given the chance.



which teams? All these teams can use him and then when they draft a QB and put him in. The media will call for him and talks and yada yada. Again, blame the media.

and what happened with the Ravens when talks were happening? He almost got a job until his girl got involved.

Listen, i think the guy is awesome for what he is doing. Hell i dont want him playing so he can be more devoted to the real fight in the world. But the fact that he wants to use this platform for it, seems very odd. He doesnt really want football.

but whatever. All this talk is again my assumption as to why they dont want him.


Jets and Bills for starters. That is... until they get their rookie pick ready to play anyway...

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But the fact that he wants to use this platform for it, seems very odd.


I don't think it's 'odd' at all. It's the platform he's been given and worked very hard to achieve (being a pro football player). He wasn't 'given' that... he worked for it. Like you said, what happened with the Ravens was his girl stupidly putting in her two sense regarding her man's business... unless her name is Mrs. Kaepernick, if I was Colin I'd have told her to mind her own business... but that's just me. She ruined an opportunity for him and can leave him at any time and not have to deal with the consequences of her own actions on his behalf.
RE: RE: RE: RE: again... all this talk for a backup...  
GMAN4LIFE : 4/13/2018 11:50 am : link
In comment 13912741 T-Bone said:
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In comment 13912710 GMAN4LIFE said:


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In comment 13912682 T-Bone said:


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In comment 13912678 GMAN4LIFE said:


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is why teams dont want him.



And yet there are about 3 or 4 teams that he'd probably be able to start for tomorrow if given the chance.



which teams? All these teams can use him and then when they draft a QB and put him in. The media will call for him and talks and yada yada. Again, blame the media.

and what happened with the Ravens when talks were happening? He almost got a job until his girl got involved.

Listen, i think the guy is awesome for what he is doing. Hell i dont want him playing so he can be more devoted to the real fight in the world. But the fact that he wants to use this platform for it, seems very odd. He doesnt really want football.

but whatever. All this talk is again my assumption as to why they dont want him.



Jets and Bills for starters. That is... until they get their rookie pick ready to play anyway...



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But the fact that he wants to use this platform for it, seems very odd.



I don't think it's 'odd' at all. It's the platform he's been given and worked very hard to achieve (being a pro football player). He wasn't 'given' that... he worked for it. Like you said, what happened with the Ravens was his girl stupidly putting in her two sense regarding her man's business... unless her name is Mrs. Kaepernick, if I was Colin I'd have told her to mind her own business... but that's just me. She ruined an opportunity for him and can leave him at any time and not have to deal with the consequences of her own actions on his behalf.


he is still with her. Sooooooooooooo


and as for the platform, do you want to play or want the platform?
GMAN  
T-Bone : 4/13/2018 11:57 am : link
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he is still with her. Sooooooooooooo


and as for the platform, do you want to play or want the platform?


Yeah well... good pootie will make any man stick around with someone longer than he probably should *grin*.

I think he wants both. He gets the platform by playing. If he does in fact suck... then he loses his platform. But he should at least have the opportunity to prove that he sucks. He's not even getting that.
You really dont know that though  
UConn4523 : 4/13/2018 12:07 pm : link
do we know his contract demands? What if hes been told hed get a non guaranteed contract as a camp invite and he declined?

Im guessing he wants his cake while eating it too. He wants guaranteed money so he cant be cut in order to both get paid and continue to protest.
RE: You really dont know that though  
T-Bone : 4/13/2018 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13912923 UConn4523 said:
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do we know his contract demands? What if hes been told hed get a non guaranteed contract as a camp invite and he declined?

Im guessing he wants his cake while eating it too. He wants guaranteed money so he cant be cut in order to both get paid and continue to protest.


Well, we can both guess all we want. I don't know and at this point it's not really all that important to me because until recently he wasn't even getting any calls... much less contract offers. He needs to at least get his foot in the door... ANY door... before he worries about the contract IMO.
RE: GMAN  
GMAN4LIFE : 4/13/2018 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13912911 T-Bone said:
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he is still with her. Sooooooooooooo


and as for the platform, do you want to play or want the platform?



Yeah well... good pootie will make any man stick around with someone longer than he probably should *grin*.

I think he wants both. He gets the platform by playing. If he does in fact suck... then he loses his platform. But he should at least have the opportunity to prove that he sucks. He's not even getting that.


ok so he wants the platform to mess with people a certain way. Being all the examples given once before. So with that said, do you see why owners might be put off with this person?

I just want you to play ball. Thats it. i dont want you to solve the world. I want you to play ball. If you want to solve the world, go do that. if not, play ball.

see what i am getting at?
RE: RE: You really dont know that though  
UConn4523 : 4/13/2018 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13912925 T-Bone said:
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do we know his contract demands? What if hes been told hed get a non guaranteed contract as a camp invite and he declined?

Im guessing he wants his cake while eating it too. He wants guaranteed money so he cant be cut in order to both get paid and continue to protest.



Well, we can both guess all we want. I don't know and at this point it's not really all that important to me because until recently he wasn't even getting any calls... much less contract offers. He needs to at least get his foot in the door... ANY door... before he worries about the contract IMO.


I think thats naieve. If reports of him not adding a non kneeling clause is true that means hes atleast talked to 1 team about a contract. But again, if his demands are unrealistic, thats another problem.

Do you really think this guy is going to sign a contract with no guaranteed money?
GMAN  
T-Bone : 4/13/2018 12:23 pm : link
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ok so he wants the platform to mess with people a certain way. Being all the examples given once before. So with that said, do you see why owners might be put off with this person?

I just want you to play ball. Thats it. i dont want you to solve the world. I want you to play ball. If you want to solve the world, go do that. if not, play ball.

see what i am getting at?


"to mess with people a certain way"?

Is that how you see it? Perhaps that's the problem right there. He's using the platform in order to bring light to an issue that wasn't being discussed nearly as much as it is now that the protesting has started. This is an issue that's been going on for centuries... this didn't just start a few years ago. And if you were a person of color seeing what's been happening, you'd be happy that someone is shedding some light on it (even if you disagree with their method(s)).

And why can't he do both? The NFL uses a whole, entire month and color to try and solve an issue that everyone agrees needs to be figured out (breast cancer) and to bring awareness to it. But guys don't have an issue with that because they know if they did they'd be sleeping on the couch the rest of their lives. You sound a lot like the 'Shut up and dribble' woman... and if that's how you really feel then yeah... I see exactly what you're getting at.
RE: RE: RE: You really dont know that though  
T-Bone : 4/13/2018 12:25 pm : link
In comment 13912944 UConn4523 said:
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do we know his contract demands? What if hes been told hed get a non guaranteed contract as a camp invite and he declined?

Im guessing he wants his cake while eating it too. He wants guaranteed money so he cant be cut in order to both get paid and continue to protest.



Well, we can both guess all we want. I don't know and at this point it's not really all that important to me because until recently he wasn't even getting any calls... much less contract offers. He needs to at least get his foot in the door... ANY door... before he worries about the contract IMO.



I think thats naieve. If reports of him not adding a non kneeling clause is true that means hes atleast talked to 1 team about a contract. But again, if his demands are unrealistic, thats another problem.

Do you really think this guy is going to sign a contract with no guaranteed money?


What I'm saying is I don't know and neither do you. You can pretend to think you do... but you don't. You're calling me naive because I'm admitting this... that comes across as obnoxious to me.
RE: GMAN  
GMAN4LIFE : 4/13/2018 12:32 pm : link
In comment 13912960 T-Bone said:
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ok so he wants the platform to mess with people a certain way. Being all the examples given once before. So with that said, do you see why owners might be put off with this person?

I just want you to play ball. Thats it. i dont want you to solve the world. I want you to play ball. If you want to solve the world, go do that. if not, play ball.

see what i am getting at?



"to mess with people a certain way"?

Is that how you see it? Perhaps that's the problem right there. He's using the platform in order to bring light to an issue that wasn't being discussed nearly as much as it is now that the protesting has started. This is an issue that's been going on for centuries... this didn't just start a few years ago. And if you were a person of color seeing what's been happening, you'd be happy that someone is shedding some light on it (even if you disagree with their method(s)).

And why can't he do both? The NFL uses a whole, entire month and color to try and solve an issue that everyone agrees needs to be figured out (breast cancer) and to bring awareness to it. But guys don't have an issue with that because they know if they did they'd be sleeping on the couch the rest of their lives. You sound a lot like the 'Shut up and dribble' woman... and if that's how you really feel then yeah... I see exactly what you're getting at.



again, now you are a polarizing figure. You said it yourself. Without the nfl, he is in the history books. (which is why i still say fuck the NFL and just be the person he wants to be. He really doesnt need them) but he wants to use them for his agenda. He has a different agenda. Thats how i see it.

And no i am not shut up and dribble man. Why? Because lebron isnt wearing pig socks. he isnt wearing Che t shirts. he isnt doing all these things that can really rub people the wrong way. I honestly think his head is in the right place(though he needs to get rid of the girl) but i dont think he sees why people dont like him.

Again, this is why teams dont want him. We need to play to win. You want the platform. Sure, but this kneeling thing has rubbed alot of people the wrong way. So you cool with that? no. ok then sorry bud.

TBone  
UConn4523 : 4/13/2018 12:37 pm : link
this is all our opinion, thats a given. But I stand by my comment - its incredibly naieve to think that he just wants a shot instead of an actual contract with guarantees. And this thread exisists because he was talking about a contract...

My best guess is that hes a very hard person to work with now and he simply isnt worth the headache. Thats on him as other kneelers have had job offers, including a player for the NY Giants.
GMAN  
T-Bone : 4/13/2018 12:50 pm : link
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again, now you are a polarizing figure. You said it yourself. Without the nfl, he is in the history books. (which is why i still say fuck the NFL and just be the person he wants to be. He really doesnt need them) but he wants to use them for his agenda. He has a different agenda. Thats how i see it.

And no i am not shut up and dribble man. Why? Because lebron isnt wearing pig socks. he isnt wearing Che t shirts. he isnt doing all these things that can really rub people the wrong way. I honestly think his head is in the right place(though he needs to get rid of the girl) but i dont think he sees why people dont like him.

Again, this is why teams dont want him. We need to play to win. You want the platform. Sure, but this kneeling thing has rubbed alot of people the wrong way. So you cool with that? no. ok then sorry bud.


But he still wants to play GMAN... why does he HAVE to give up one in order to do the other when he can do both (if someone will give him the chance... which I can understand why some teams don't want to do, although I disagree with it)?

But I agree with you that some of the moves Kaep has made hasn't helped his... or perhaps I should say THE... cause at all. Where I disagree is that I think he knows EXACTLY why people don't like him. In his mind, evidently, continuing to protest the way he has is still the way to bring awareness to the issue. You and I may disagree with that... but it's how he chooses to continue his life. If that means no football... it appears he's willing to make that sacrifice.
RE: TBone  
T-Bone : 4/13/2018 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13912997 UConn4523 said:
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this is all our opinion, thats a given. But I stand by my comment - its incredibly naieve to think that he just wants a shot instead of an actual contract with guarantees. And this thread exisists because he was talking about a contract...

My best guess is that hes a very hard person to work with now and he simply isnt worth the headache. Thats on him as other kneelers have had job offers, including a player for the NY Giants.


IMO, it's because he's the face of the protests (similar to Reid in KWALL2's thread) that he's toxic. As has been said, I didn't even know who Michael Thomas was... much less that he was involved in the protest... before it was mentioned on this site. I mean... of course he wants some guarantees in his contract... who wouldn't? But that doesn't mean that he has no intention of playing if he isn't given one... which is what you appear to be thinking.
RE: GMAN  
GMAN4LIFE : 4/13/2018 12:59 pm : link
In comment 13913019 T-Bone said:
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again, now you are a polarizing figure. You said it yourself. Without the nfl, he is in the history books. (which is why i still say fuck the NFL and just be the person he wants to be. He really doesnt need them) but he wants to use them for his agenda. He has a different agenda. Thats how i see it.

And no i am not shut up and dribble man. Why? Because lebron isnt wearing pig socks. he isnt wearing Che t shirts. he isnt doing all these things that can really rub people the wrong way. I honestly think his head is in the right place(though he needs to get rid of the girl) but i dont think he sees why people dont like him.

Again, this is why teams dont want him. We need to play to win. You want the platform. Sure, but this kneeling thing has rubbed alot of people the wrong way. So you cool with that? no. ok then sorry bud.



But he still wants to play GMAN... why does he HAVE to give up one in order to do the other when he can do both (if someone will give him the chance... which I can understand why some teams don't want to do, although I disagree with it)?

But I agree with you that some of the moves Kaep has made hasn't helped his... or perhaps I should say THE... cause at all. Where I disagree is that I think he knows EXACTLY why people don't like him. In his mind, evidently, continuing to protest the way he has is still the way to bring awareness to the issue. You and I may disagree with that... but it's how he chooses to continue his life. If that means no football... it appears he's willing to make that sacrifice.



i dont. in fact as i said before, i could care less about the kneeling. If he played like Aaron Rodgers, any owner wouldnt let him out the door. But he isnt and thats the hard fact. And with that comes the media distraction. It isnt entirely his fault but thats how the media works.

in this world, the only thing you are granted with certainty is death. He may deserve a job in the nfl but he isnt entitled a job.

I seriously believe that for the cause, he doesnt need the NFL. He can somehow get a show or something to get this across to alot of people.
RE: RE: GMAN  
T-Bone : 4/13/2018 1:07 pm : link
In comment 13913046 GMAN4LIFE said:
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again, now you are a polarizing figure. You said it yourself. Without the nfl, he is in the history books. (which is why i still say fuck the NFL and just be the person he wants to be. He really doesnt need them) but he wants to use them for his agenda. He has a different agenda. Thats how i see it.

And no i am not shut up and dribble man. Why? Because lebron isnt wearing pig socks. he isnt wearing Che t shirts. he isnt doing all these things that can really rub people the wrong way. I honestly think his head is in the right place(though he needs to get rid of the girl) but i dont think he sees why people dont like him.

Again, this is why teams dont want him. We need to play to win. You want the platform. Sure, but this kneeling thing has rubbed alot of people the wrong way. So you cool with that? no. ok then sorry bud.



But he still wants to play GMAN... why does he HAVE to give up one in order to do the other when he can do both (if someone will give him the chance... which I can understand why some teams don't want to do, although I disagree with it)?

But I agree with you that some of the moves Kaep has made hasn't helped his... or perhaps I should say THE... cause at all. Where I disagree is that I think he knows EXACTLY why people don't like him. In his mind, evidently, continuing to protest the way he has is still the way to bring awareness to the issue. You and I may disagree with that... but it's how he chooses to continue his life. If that means no football... it appears he's willing to make that sacrifice.




i dont. in fact as i said before, i could care less about the kneeling. If he played like Aaron Rodgers, any owner wouldnt let him out the door. But he isnt and thats the hard fact. And with that comes the media distraction. It isnt entirely his fault but thats how the media works.

in this world, the only thing you are granted with certainty is death. He may deserve a job in the nfl but he isnt entitled a job.

I seriously believe that for the cause, he doesnt need the NFL. He can somehow get a show or something to get this across to alot of people.


This show may reach 'a lot of people'... but would it reach the people it needs to reach? That's the question.
RE: RE: RE: GMAN  
GMAN4LIFE : 4/13/2018 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13913066 T-Bone said:
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again, now you are a polarizing figure. You said it yourself. Without the nfl, he is in the history books. (which is why i still say fuck the NFL and just be the person he wants to be. He really doesnt need them) but he wants to use them for his agenda. He has a different agenda. Thats how i see it.

And no i am not shut up and dribble man. Why? Because lebron isnt wearing pig socks. he isnt wearing Che t shirts. he isnt doing all these things that can really rub people the wrong way. I honestly think his head is in the right place(though he needs to get rid of the girl) but i dont think he sees why people dont like him.

Again, this is why teams dont want him. We need to play to win. You want the platform. Sure, but this kneeling thing has rubbed alot of people the wrong way. So you cool with that? no. ok then sorry bud.



But he still wants to play GMAN... why does he HAVE to give up one in order to do the other when he can do both (if someone will give him the chance... which I can understand why some teams don't want to do, although I disagree with it)?

But I agree with you that some of the moves Kaep has made hasn't helped his... or perhaps I should say THE... cause at all. Where I disagree is that I think he knows EXACTLY why people don't like him. In his mind, evidently, continuing to protest the way he has is still the way to bring awareness to the issue. You and I may disagree with that... but it's how he chooses to continue his life. If that means no football... it appears he's willing to make that sacrifice.




i dont. in fact as i said before, i could care less about the kneeling. If he played like Aaron Rodgers, any owner wouldnt let him out the door. But he isnt and thats the hard fact. And with that comes the media distraction. It isnt entirely his fault but thats how the media works.

in this world, the only thing you are granted with certainty is death. He may deserve a job in the nfl but he isnt entitled a job.

I seriously believe that for the cause, he doesnt need the NFL. He can somehow get a show or something to get this across to alot of people.



This show may reach 'a lot of people'... but would it reach the people it needs to reach? That's the question.


i dont know. But if that is more important, than find a way.
T-Bone  
giantfan2000 : 4/13/2018 1:43 pm : link
1000% yes
I just read that the Seahawks have signed  
Bill in UT : 4/13/2018 1:44 pm : link
former Redskins QB Stephen Morris, according the Schefter
GMAN  
T-Bone : 4/13/2018 1:52 pm : link
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i dont know. But if that is more important, than find a way.


Much easier said than done my friend.
RE: T-Bone  
T-Bone : 4/13/2018 1:52 pm : link
In comment 13913151 giantfan2000 said:
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1000% yes


Sorry but I'm not sure what you're responding to?
RE: I just read that the Seahawks have signed  
T-Bone : 4/13/2018 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13913152 Bill in UT said:
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former Redskins QB Stephen Morris, according the Schefter


Yeah I saw that earlier on my way to work this morning.
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