RT @LeadingNFL: BREAKING: Seattle Seahawks postponed workout for QB Colin Kaepernick after he decline to stop kneeling next season. (via @AdamSchefter)
2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."
3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government
4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assata’s Daughters, a Chicago “direct action” resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.
5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police
6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the group’s commitment to “develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.”
7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.
8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"
9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy
10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."
This guy doesn't deserve a job in the nfl.
I tend to agree....talent wise yes. But that's a long list of things that can certainly be a viewed as a turnoff. And teams feel they can probably get a comparable player without the headaches.
kept an arsenal in his back yard, they would have welcomed him with open arms.
Just shows you how messed up we are as a society that supposedly values free speech. The guy takes a knee and no one can take it but had he been violent then its brushed off.
Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?
Or better yet... just leave the teams in the locker room like they used to do!
MAKING a person stand for the National Anthem is about the most UNAmerican thing I can think of... and yet that's exactly what most here and fans of the NFL that have a problem with the kneeling want... but... funny enough... most of the military guys I know and have heard from support the kneeling. Go figure.
I think many military guys take my position. They support the RIGHT to kneel, but do not agree with the action on a personal or moral level. Some, like me, do not believe the given reason for kneeling is a valid one or the arguments made in support of that reason are truthful.
Anecdotal, but I am a military veteran of 12 years.
I also support the rights of people to freely associate...so I would likewise support any owner who no longer wished to employ a person representing their organization because of their political expression in company attire on company time, whether I agreed with the political point or not. Basically, I always agree with the position that supports the most individual liberty. Note that doesn't mean that the expression of which may not have negative consequences unrelated to government interference or infringement of that liberty.
And wait until you get a load of this... I actually agree with you.
I've said from the beginning that I believe in WHAT he's protesting... just not sure if I agree with how. I told me wife that very thing the first time I saw this story break and saw Kap sitting on the bench.
That said... I do still also think it's bullshit that he hasn't had an opportunity to continue to play football in the National Football League because of that. I agree that teams have a right not to want to employ someone who can negatively affect their bottom line... but that doesn't make it right IMO... kind of like the whole kneeling thing itself in a way.
Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?
Or better yet... just leave the teams in the locker room like they used to do!
MAKING a person stand for the National Anthem is about the most UNAmerican thing I can think of... and yet that's exactly what most here and fans of the NFL that have a problem with the kneeling want... but... funny enough... most of the military guys I know and have heard from support the kneeling. Go figure.
It would be UnAmerican if they were MAKING the person to stand. But they aren't...they are compelling them to stand as a condition of employment. If that's a condition of employment, it's not UnAmerican. I personally would have no problem with the elimination of the anthem before games, or keeping the players inside the locker room or tunnel for the anthem. I don't think the owners want that because I think they want the anthem and want their players to be part of the pomp and nationalist ceremony performed prior to a game. If that's the case, that is their right as the business owner and the guy who writes the checks. The checks, now...that are cashed by the players, they have no problem with the owners writing those checks for them to cash, so it would seem that they shouldn't have a problem with complying with a specific set of behavior when representing the company on field, in company uniform.
Don't want to? Somebody else will cash those checks. Pretty simple.
But that's exactly what many want the NFL owners to do... MAKE them stand... and there are owners (like Jones for instance) who have taken it under consideration.
kept an arsenal in his back yard, they would have welcomed him with open arms.
Just shows you how messed up we are as a society that supposedly values free speech. The guy takes a knee and no one can take it but had he been violent then its brushed off.
The only way I could possibly defend that is to say, those you mentioned deserve a second chance (let's not get into repeat offenders).
And Kappernick continues to demonstrate his, as you said, free speech.
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because of the way he plays. He is the type of player that you have to structure your offense around how he plays. He doesn't really work within a conventional approach to protections etc. And he isn't good enough to be a starter.
The last thing you want for a back up is a guy who plays completely differently from your starter. Rather have an inferior talent, who can play within what you do, then a slightly superior talent that requires changing your approach if he comes in the game.
I just think he is a square peg that doesn't fit for most teams.
Except for a team like Seattle... or perhaps Philly... or Tennessee... that's three teams off the top of my head where a wholesale change of the offensive system wouldn't be necessary.
RE: People have to be reminded what a radical jerk Kaepernick is Â
2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."
3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government
4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assata’s Daughters, a Chicago “direct action” resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.
5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police
6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the group’s commitment to “develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.”
7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.
8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"
9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy
10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."
This guy doesn't deserve a job in the nfl.
No we don't. Because you post this same thing over... and over... and over again... soooooo... thanks for being consistent?
RE: RE: Can we all compromise and just stop having the national anthem Â
2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."
3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government
4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assata’s Daughters, a Chicago “direct action” resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.
5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police
6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the group’s commitment to “develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.”
7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.
8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"
9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy
10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."
This guy doesn't deserve a job in the nfl.
No we don't. Because you post this same thing over... and over... and over again... soooooo... thanks for being consistent?
is he wrong though?
I don't like Kap because I think he's disengenuous Â
with his cause based on some of his conflicting actions and comments. But I think it would be absolutely hilarious if some team picks him up, the starter goes down, and Kap leads the team to a Super Bowl victory. I can't even imagine what the media and public at large would be like after the final whistle blew.
And I do think he's better than most back ups out there currently. The guy got his team to the Super Bowl and it wasn't all based on the defense. He's shown in the right system he can get to the big dance.
All of you who keep beating that drum sound incredibly oblivious to the fact that a business is not required to hire you. If you are a marginal performer and you are also a PR pain in the ass, then do not get hired. Thats generally how it works. I dont want to work with a pain in the ass and owners dont want them fucking up chemistry.
Seahawks just win a huge game against an opponent and the fucking back up QB has got the entire media surrounding him asking about social injustices that he isnt even well-versed on...players see that. Coaches see that.
He is absolutely a distraction. The reason why athletes who commit DV are given another chance is because they generally issue a public apology and say they wont do it any more. Then when a reporter asks, they can point to their lack of desire to discuss it further and thats that. Colin has REPEATEDLY refused to stop his "protest." That means owners cannot count on him not being a pain in the ass. What if he gets signed by another team and then he decides to escalate it by having an American flag tucked in the back of his pants so that his ass is always rubbing on the flag? If they try and cut him, they are even bigger racists this time around.
You want a reason why he has no job? Blame today's America. Don't blame the ones who own the business and are responsible for its success. Geno had a job because he kept his mouth shut while at work. Once he is done with football, he can start his huge "Earth is flat" campaign.
You're entitled to that opinion. And certain players are entitled to their opinion that too many black people get shot by police. And the owners are entitled not to hire those players who kneel. And we're all entitled to bitch at each other about our opinions thanks to Eric hosting this site. It's a better system than "harmony" in China, at least.
Very well said.
Its really not....just covers one view point. If I dared bring up the other view point, I will be called racist and I dont feel like dealing with that here.
False equivalency. One is in reference to private industry, one to a public entity. Also, both are ok at work if the decision makers involved in the administration of each decide that it is ok. So the meme/cartoon here really doesn't make sense and is completely illogical.
RE: RE: RE: People have to be reminded what a radical jerk Kaepernick is Â
2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."
3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government
4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assata’s Daughters, a Chicago “direct action” resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.
5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police
6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the group’s commitment to “develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.”
7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.
8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"
9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy
10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."
This guy doesn't deserve a job in the nfl.
No we don't. Because you post this same thing over... and over... and over again... soooooo... thanks for being consistent?
is he wrong though?
Wrong? No.
Repetitive? Yes.
Do I think some of the things on his list (actually, a majority of them) merit him not being allowed to continue his career? Hell no.
2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."
3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government
4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assata’s Daughters, a Chicago “direct action” resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.
5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police
6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the group’s commitment to “develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.”
7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.
8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"
9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy
10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."
This guy doesn't deserve a job in the nfl.
No we don't. Because you post this same thing over... and over... and over again... soooooo... thanks for being consistent?
is he wrong though?
Wrong? No.
Repetitive? Yes.
Do I think some of the things on his list (actually, a majority of them) merit him not being allowed to continue his career? Hell no.
he can continue a career in football. Just not in the NFL.
RE: RE: he doesn't have a right to a job in the NFL Â
so him being better than other backups is pretty irrelevant.
He doesn't have the right... but he should have the opportunity to work when he hasn't broken any laws... particularly when if he HAD broken some laws he'd, in fact, have a job.
T-Bone, but he DOES have the opportunity...hence the few teams pursuing him that have. The league didnt hand down an edict saying no team may hire him unless he stands for the anthem. Teams arent hiring him because his risk does not outweigh the reward. All he has to do is say he won't pursue this while he is hired and all would be fine. He would prob get signed immediately.
Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?
Or better yet... just leave the teams in the locker room like they used to do!
MAKING a person stand for the National Anthem is about the most UNAmerican thing I can think of... and yet that's exactly what most here and fans of the NFL that have a problem with the kneeling want... but... funny enough... most of the military guys I know and have heard from support the kneeling. Go figure.
It would be UnAmerican if they were MAKING the person to stand. But they aren't...they are compelling them to stand as a condition of employment. If that's a condition of employment, it's not UnAmerican. I personally would have no problem with the elimination of the anthem before games, or keeping the players inside the locker room or tunnel for the anthem. I don't think the owners want that because I think they want the anthem and want their players to be part of the pomp and nationalist ceremony performed prior to a game. If that's the case, that is their right as the business owner and the guy who writes the checks. The checks, now...that are cashed by the players, they have no problem with the owners writing those checks for them to cash, so it would seem that they shouldn't have a problem with complying with a specific set of behavior when representing the company on field, in company uniform.
Don't want to? Somebody else will cash those checks. Pretty simple.
But that's exactly what many want the NFL owners to do... MAKE them stand... and there are owners (like Jones for instance) who have taken it under consideration.
Wrong. They can't MAKE them do anything. They have said if they kneel they won't have a job. That's not the same thing. The 1st Amendment guaranteeing free speech is protected here because nobody can imprison or strip Kaep of his freedom to protest. However, the owners can not be stripped of their right to not have him protest as a member of their organization. That is not the same thing, that is not unAmerican. Free association and the freedom to hire and fire who you want IS just as American as the freedom of speech.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: People have to be reminded what a radical jerk Kaepernick is Â
2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."
3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government
4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assata’s Daughters, a Chicago “direct action” resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.
5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police
6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the group’s commitment to “develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.”
7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.
8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"
9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy
10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."
This guy doesn't deserve a job in the nfl.
No we don't. Because you post this same thing over... and over... and over again... soooooo... thanks for being consistent?
is he wrong though?
Wrong? No.
Repetitive? Yes.
Do I think some of the things on his list (actually, a majority of them) merit him not being allowed to continue his career? Hell no.
he can continue a career in football. Just not in the NFL.
is essentially synonymous with having a contract. In order to have the opportunity to come to camp and earn a roster spot he'd have to have a contract first.
Again, it isn't his right to play in the NFL. He made his bed...
Criminals being given contracts is a whole separate issue, one that I think is pretty ridiculous but you have to put a lot of that blame on the public who mostly don't care about what laws are being broken if TD's are being scored.
Its an unfair world, Colin.
RE: RE: RE: he doesn't have a right to a job in the NFL Â
so him being better than other backups is pretty irrelevant.
He doesn't have the right... but he should have the opportunity to work when he hasn't broken any laws... particularly when if he HAD broken some laws he'd, in fact, have a job.
T-Bone, but he DOES have the opportunity...hence the few teams pursuing him that have. The league didnt hand down an edict saying no team may hire him unless he stands for the anthem. Teams arent hiring him because his risk does not outweigh the reward. All he has to do is say he won't pursue this while he is hired and all would be fine. He would prob get signed immediately.
chop - This is where I'm confused because, as someone mentioned earlier, I was under the impression he said he wasn't going to kneel anymore. I'm wondering why he changed his mind?
Personally... if I had a chance to give him some advice... my advice would be to stop the kneeling and do what's best for him. He's brought about awareness to the issue and that can never be changed and now I'd want him to do what's best for HIM... especially since it doesn't seem that the protest had much of an effect anyway.
Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?
Or better yet... just leave the teams in the locker room like they used to do!
MAKING a person stand for the National Anthem is about the most UNAmerican thing I can think of... and yet that's exactly what most here and fans of the NFL that have a problem with the kneeling want... but... funny enough... most of the military guys I know and have heard from support the kneeling. Go figure.
It would be UnAmerican if they were MAKING the person to stand. But they aren't...they are compelling them to stand as a condition of employment. If that's a condition of employment, it's not UnAmerican. I personally would have no problem with the elimination of the anthem before games, or keeping the players inside the locker room or tunnel for the anthem. I don't think the owners want that because I think they want the anthem and want their players to be part of the pomp and nationalist ceremony performed prior to a game. If that's the case, that is their right as the business owner and the guy who writes the checks. The checks, now...that are cashed by the players, they have no problem with the owners writing those checks for them to cash, so it would seem that they shouldn't have a problem with complying with a specific set of behavior when representing the company on field, in company uniform.
Don't want to? Somebody else will cash those checks. Pretty simple.
But that's exactly what many want the NFL owners to do... MAKE them stand... and there are owners (like Jones for instance) who have taken it under consideration.
Wrong. They can't MAKE them do anything. They have said if they kneel they won't have a job. That's not the same thing. The 1st Amendment guaranteeing free speech is protected here because nobody can imprison or strip Kaep of his freedom to protest. However, the owners can not be stripped of their right to not have him protest as a member of their organization. That is not the same thing, that is not unAmerican. Free association and the freedom to hire and fire who you want IS just as American as the freedom of speech.
I know they can't MAKE them do anything... but again, it's been suggested that they should.
is essentially synonymous with having a contract. In order to have the opportunity to come to camp and earn a roster spot he'd have to have a contract first.
Again, it isn't his right to play in the NFL. He made his bed...
Criminals being given contracts is a whole separate issue, one that I think is pretty ridiculous but you have to put a lot of that blame on the public who mostly don't care about what laws are being broken if TD's are being scored.
Seahawks just win a huge game against an opponent and the fucking back up QB has got the entire media surrounding him asking about social injustices that he isnt even well-versed on...players see that. Coaches see that.
He is absolutely a distraction.
And he's also suing the NFL - ALL owners. Outside of his protects, this is another fairly large distraction.
But think that's the essence of this - Kaepernick is a distraction. The media - overwhelmingly left leaning - have embraced his cause, and fully. And if Kaepernick gets a contract to join a team you can't help but think the media will circle the new team like a school of sharks around blood.
Kaepernick is at a major crossroads - does he want to play football or does he want to be an activist?
RE: RE: RE: RE: People have to be reminded what a radical jerk Kaepernick is Â
2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."
3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government
4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assata’s Daughters, a Chicago “direct action” resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.
5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police
6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the group’s commitment to “develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.”
7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.
8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"
9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy
10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."
This guy doesn't deserve a job in the nfl.
No we don't. Because you post this same thing over... and over... and over again... soooooo... thanks for being consistent?
is he wrong though?
Wrong? No.
Repetitive? Yes.
Do I think some of the things on his list (actually, a majority of them) merit him not being allowed to continue his career? Hell no.
So praising cop killers, racists, murderous dictators and revolutionaries, depicting police as pigs and denouncing the country that made you a famous, multimillionaire is the kind of guy you would want on your football team. I wouldn't.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: People have to be reminded what a radical jerk Kaepernick is Â
So praising cop killers, racists, murderous dictators and revolutionaries, depicting police as pigs and denouncing the country that made you a famous, multimillionaire is the kind of guy you would want on your football team. I wouldn't.
I'm REALLY not trying to get banned today so I'll just say... well... no, I won't even say that.
Have a good night.
RE: RE: RE: RE: he doesn't have a right to a job in the NFL Â
so him being better than other backups is pretty irrelevant.
He doesn't have the right... but he should have the opportunity to work when he hasn't broken any laws... particularly when if he HAD broken some laws he'd, in fact, have a job.
T-Bone, but he DOES have the opportunity...hence the few teams pursuing him that have. The league didnt hand down an edict saying no team may hire him unless he stands for the anthem. Teams arent hiring him because his risk does not outweigh the reward. All he has to do is say he won't pursue this while he is hired and all would be fine. He would prob get signed immediately.
chop - This is where I'm confused because, as someone mentioned earlier, I was under the impression he said he wasn't going to kneel anymore. I'm wondering why he changed his mind?
Personally... if I had a chance to give him some advice... my advice would be to stop the kneeling and do what's best for him. He's brought about awareness to the issue and that can never be changed and now I'd want him to do what's best for HIM... especially since it doesn't seem that the protest had much of an effect anyway.
Well according to the second set of tweets, it seems like the Seahawks (with arguably the most liberal fanbased and state in the entire country) are trying to get him to agree to some parameters in the interest of maintaining the integrity of thwir brand, and he has failed to do so.
It is DAMNING how many teams who were/are desperate for a QB, especially with his talent and he still has no job. I think many of you look at him as if he was Jackie Robinson being held back when in reality hes a mediocre QB who ruffles feathers.
so him being better than other backups is pretty irrelevant.
He doesn't have the right... but he should have the opportunity to work when he hasn't broken any laws... particularly when if he HAD broken some laws he'd, in fact, have a job.
T-Bone, but he DOES have the opportunity...hence the few teams pursuing him that have. The league didnt hand down an edict saying no team may hire him unless he stands for the anthem. Teams arent hiring him because his risk does not outweigh the reward. All he has to do is say he won't pursue this while he is hired and all would be fine. He would prob get signed immediately.
chop - This is where I'm confused because, as someone mentioned earlier, I was under the impression he said he wasn't going to kneel anymore. I'm wondering why he changed his mind?
Personally... if I had a chance to give him some advice... my advice would be to stop the kneeling and do what's best for him. He's brought about awareness to the issue and that can never be changed and now I'd want him to do what's best for HIM... especially since it doesn't seem that the protest had much of an effect anyway.
Well according to the second set of tweets, it seems like the Seahawks (with arguably the most liberal fanbased and state in the entire country) are trying to get him to agree to some parameters in the interest of maintaining the integrity of thwir brand, and he has failed to do so.
It is DAMNING how many teams who were/are desperate for a QB, especially with his talent and he still has no job. I think many of you look at him as if he was Jackie Robinson being held back when in reality hes a mediocre QB who ruffles feathers.
It's my understanding that they wanted to him to let them know what his future plans were as far as the protests go and he didn't have one to give them (I wonder if he was informed to have a plan in place?). Let's keep in mind the wording of the announcement... the Seahawks POSTPONED the visit... not cancelled. In other words, they're still willing to allow him to at least get his foot in the door... which is really all anyone can ask for right now.
Lastly, it's funny how in one sentence you say 'a QB, especially with is talent...' and then in the very next sentence call him 'mediocre'. LOL!
so him being better than other backups is pretty irrelevant.
He doesn't have the right... but he should have the opportunity to work when he hasn't broken any laws... particularly when if he HAD broken some laws he'd, in fact, have a job.
T-Bone, but he DOES have the opportunity...hence the few teams pursuing him that have. The league didnt hand down an edict saying no team may hire him unless he stands for the anthem. Teams arent hiring him because his risk does not outweigh the reward. All he has to do is say he won't pursue this while he is hired and all would be fine. He would prob get signed immediately.
chop - This is where I'm confused because, as someone mentioned earlier, I was under the impression he said he wasn't going to kneel anymore. I'm wondering why he changed his mind?
Personally... if I had a chance to give him some advice... my advice would be to stop the kneeling and do what's best for him. He's brought about awareness to the issue and that can never be changed and now I'd want him to do what's best for HIM... especially since it doesn't seem that the protest had much of an effect anyway.
Well according to the second set of tweets, it seems like the Seahawks (with arguably the most liberal fanbased and state in the entire country) are trying to get him to agree to some parameters in the interest of maintaining the integrity of thwir brand, and he has failed to do so.
It is DAMNING how many teams who were/are desperate for a QB, especially with his talent and he still has no job. I think many of you look at him as if he was Jackie Robinson being held back when in reality hes a mediocre QB who ruffles feathers.
It's my understanding that they wanted to him to let them know what his future plans were as far as the protests go and he didn't have one to give them (I wonder if he was informed to have a plan in place?). Let's keep in mind the wording of the announcement... the Seahawks POSTPONED the visit... not cancelled. In other words, they're still willing to allow him to at least get his foot in the door... which is really all anyone can ask for right now.
Lastly, it's funny how in one sentence you say 'a QB, especially with is talent...' and then in the very next sentence call him 'mediocre'. LOL!
His performance has been mediocre for a while now. But his talent has never beeen disputed. His talent is the only reason he is even a relevant option. Ryan Leaf had worlds of talent too.
Read it how you will T, but obviously he is not doing everything in his power to get a deal done. Seems highly unlikely that he is 100% conforming to any contractual stipulations vis a vis his protests.
Lastly T. Dont let the hyenas chase you away from a good discussion. If I can ignore the trolls, so can you.
calling someone else a troll. The dude was on Mets threads during the playoffs constantly taking shots at the Mets and posters on those threads. Amazing that his focus was on the Mets while his team was in the playoffs.
He hasn't been on any Mets threads this year! I wonder why? I'll look out for him during the first losing streak.
What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.
CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.
No one is running me off. There was a... I’ll call it dangerous (for my continued ability to post here)... comment I wanted to say in response to giants24’s post. But like I said, I’ll be pissed if I let myself get banned two weeks before the draft. So I decided to keep it to myself.
Besides, although somewhat annoyingly, consistently repetitive with his reasoning for not liking Kap, I can see how some things on his list would ‘ruffle’ some feathers (for example the pig socks... which I too thought was pretty stupid of him to wear) but there are some things he obviously sees from a perspective different than my own (like #’s 2, 7 & 9 on his list) that I necessarily don’t have an issue with but can see how someone like himself would take issue with (at least based on his previous posts anyway).
Lastly, I’ve been around here long enough that it’ll take much more than giants24 to run me off. That’s reserved for the true heavyweights like yourself lol.
What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.
CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.
What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.
CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.
I agree with your overall point but the NFL is not the government and he therefore is not being denied any constitutional right.
What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.
CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.
No one is denying him his right to express himself. What many people seem to forget is that playing football is a JOB. What would happen if you or I went to work and protested about something that has nothing to do with our jobs while we were being paid to do that job? I don't know about you, but I would be told to stop immediately and get back to work, the work I m being paid to do. If I choose not to do so, I would be looking for a new job.
What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.
CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.
No one is denying him his right to express himself. What many people seem to forget is that playing football is a JOB. What would happen if you or I went to work and protested about something that has nothing to do with our jobs while we were being paid to do that job? I don't know about you, but I would be told to stop immediately and get back to work, the work I m being paid to do. If I choose not to do so, I would be looking for a new job.
When has standing for the national anthem been a required part of the job description for an NFL player?
What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.
CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.
No one is denying him his right to express himself. What many people seem to forget is that playing football is a JOB. What would happen if you or I went to work and protested about something that has nothing to do with our jobs while we were being paid to do that job? I don't know about you, but I would be told to stop immediately and get back to work, the work I m being paid to do. If I choose not to do so, I would be looking for a new job.
When has standing for the national anthem been a required part of the job description for an NFL player?
This has been part of the NFL game operations manual for a long time. Regardless, any member organization can make employee policy at any time, subject to change and at their discretion. This is work, it's business, it's companies and employees. It has nothing to do with rights, freedoms, or social justice and causes. Nobody is stopping Kaepernick or anyone else from taking whatever political stance they want or speaking about whatever cause or issue they want. They are stopping them from doing it as a member of their football organization.
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What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.
CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.
No one is denying him his right to express himself. What many people seem to forget is that playing football is a JOB. What would happen if you or I went to work and protested about something that has nothing to do with our jobs while we were being paid to do that job? I don't know about you, but I would be told to stop immediately and get back to work, the work I m being paid to do. If I choose not to do so, I would be looking for a new job.
When has standing for the national anthem been a required part of the job description for an NFL player?
This has been part of the NFL game operations manual for a long time. Regardless, any member organization can make employee policy at any time, subject to change and at their discretion. This is work, it's business, it's companies and employees. It has nothing to do with rights, freedoms, or social justice and causes. Nobody is stopping Kaepernick or anyone else from taking whatever political stance they want or speaking about whatever cause or issue they want. They are stopping them from doing it as a member of their football organization.
I’ve seen that before and I may be wrong but it’s not a requirement, or else they would’ve been enforcing it no?
What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.
CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.
No one is denying him his right to express himself. What many people seem to forget is that playing football is a JOB. What would happen if you or I went to work and protested about something that has nothing to do with our jobs while we were being paid to do that job? I don't know about you, but I would be told to stop immediately and get back to work, the work I m being paid to do. If I choose not to do so, I would be looking for a new job.
When has standing for the national anthem been a required part of the job description for an NFL player?
This has been part of the NFL game operations manual for a long time. Regardless, any member organization can make employee policy at any time, subject to change and at their discretion. This is work, it's business, it's companies and employees. It has nothing to do with rights, freedoms, or social justice and causes. Nobody is stopping Kaepernick or anyone else from taking whatever political stance they want or speaking about whatever cause or issue they want. They are stopping them from doing it as a member of their football organization.
I'm just a random white guy, but I think CK is representing the very best traditions of our society. You can talk all you want about the rights of employers and all that, and I would agree, but they are on the wrong side of history.
I have a suggestion...why don't we listen to what these players are trying to tell us and deal with the inequalities that actually exist and affect their lives and the lives of their families.
What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.
CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.
I agree with your overall point but the NFL is not the government and he therefore is not being denied any constitutional right.
We all have something to say. For most of us nobody is listening. Now imagine you become an NFL QB and suddenly people start listening to what you have to say. That is your time to make a difference and I think that is what CK is doing. 10 years from now these players are just regular guys and nobody cares what they think. Now is the time to take a knee and take a stance. Is it really so hard for us to respect their experiences?
2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."
3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government
4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assata’s Daughters, a Chicago “direct action” resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.
5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police
6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the group’s commitment to “develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.”
7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.
8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"
9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy
10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."
This guy doesn't deserve a job in the nfl.
I tend to agree....talent wise yes. But that's a long list of things that can certainly be a viewed as a turnoff. And teams feel they can probably get a comparable player without the headaches.
Bingo.
But Eric Reid...is that really the same deal?
Just shows you how messed up we are as a society that supposedly values free speech. The guy takes a knee and no one can take it but had he been violent then its brushed off.
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Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?
Or better yet... just leave the teams in the locker room like they used to do!
MAKING a person stand for the National Anthem is about the most UNAmerican thing I can think of... and yet that's exactly what most here and fans of the NFL that have a problem with the kneeling want... but... funny enough... most of the military guys I know and have heard from support the kneeling. Go figure.
I think many military guys take my position. They support the RIGHT to kneel, but do not agree with the action on a personal or moral level. Some, like me, do not believe the given reason for kneeling is a valid one or the arguments made in support of that reason are truthful.
Anecdotal, but I am a military veteran of 12 years.
I also support the rights of people to freely associate...so I would likewise support any owner who no longer wished to employ a person representing their organization because of their political expression in company attire on company time, whether I agreed with the political point or not. Basically, I always agree with the position that supports the most individual liberty. Note that doesn't mean that the expression of which may not have negative consequences unrelated to government interference or infringement of that liberty.
And wait until you get a load of this... I actually agree with you.
I've said from the beginning that I believe in WHAT he's protesting... just not sure if I agree with how. I told me wife that very thing the first time I saw this story break and saw Kap sitting on the bench.
That said... I do still also think it's bullshit that he hasn't had an opportunity to continue to play football in the National Football League because of that. I agree that teams have a right not to want to employ someone who can negatively affect their bottom line... but that doesn't make it right IMO... kind of like the whole kneeling thing itself in a way.
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Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?
Or better yet... just leave the teams in the locker room like they used to do!
MAKING a person stand for the National Anthem is about the most UNAmerican thing I can think of... and yet that's exactly what most here and fans of the NFL that have a problem with the kneeling want... but... funny enough... most of the military guys I know and have heard from support the kneeling. Go figure.
It would be UnAmerican if they were MAKING the person to stand. But they aren't...they are compelling them to stand as a condition of employment. If that's a condition of employment, it's not UnAmerican. I personally would have no problem with the elimination of the anthem before games, or keeping the players inside the locker room or tunnel for the anthem. I don't think the owners want that because I think they want the anthem and want their players to be part of the pomp and nationalist ceremony performed prior to a game. If that's the case, that is their right as the business owner and the guy who writes the checks. The checks, now...that are cashed by the players, they have no problem with the owners writing those checks for them to cash, so it would seem that they shouldn't have a problem with complying with a specific set of behavior when representing the company on field, in company uniform.
Don't want to? Somebody else will cash those checks. Pretty simple.
But that's exactly what many want the NFL owners to do... MAKE them stand... and there are owners (like Jones for instance) who have taken it under consideration.
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kept an arsenal in his back yard, they would have welcomed him with open arms.
Just shows you how messed up we are as a society that supposedly values free speech. The guy takes a knee and no one can take it but had he been violent then its brushed off.
The only way I could possibly defend that is to say, those you mentioned deserve a second chance (let's not get into repeat offenders).
And Kappernick continues to demonstrate his, as you said, free speech.
Weird how it works out.
The last thing you want for a back up is a guy who plays completely differently from your starter. Rather have an inferior talent, who can play within what you do, then a slightly superior talent that requires changing your approach if he comes in the game.
I just think he is a square peg that doesn't fit for most teams.
Except for a team like Seattle... or perhaps Philly... or Tennessee... that's three teams off the top of my head where a wholesale change of the offensive system wouldn't be necessary.
2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."
3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government
4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assata’s Daughters, a Chicago “direct action” resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.
5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police
6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the group’s commitment to “develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.”
7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.
8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"
9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy
10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."
This guy doesn't deserve a job in the nfl.
No we don't. Because you post this same thing over... and over... and over again... soooooo... thanks for being consistent?
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and/or singing of any kind before a sporting event?
Fine. And then what will be next?
I admit it. I LOLed
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1. Wears pig/cop socks to practice
2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."
3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government
4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assata’s Daughters, a Chicago “direct action” resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.
5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police
6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the group’s commitment to “develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.”
7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.
8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"
9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy
10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."
This guy doesn't deserve a job in the nfl.
No we don't. Because you post this same thing over... and over... and over again... soooooo... thanks for being consistent?
is he wrong though?
And I do think he's better than most back ups out there currently. The guy got his team to the Super Bowl and it wasn't all based on the defense. He's shown in the right system he can get to the big dance.
Seahawks just win a huge game against an opponent and the fucking back up QB has got the entire media surrounding him asking about social injustices that he isnt even well-versed on...players see that. Coaches see that.
He is absolutely a distraction. The reason why athletes who commit DV are given another chance is because they generally issue a public apology and say they wont do it any more. Then when a reporter asks, they can point to their lack of desire to discuss it further and thats that. Colin has REPEATEDLY refused to stop his "protest." That means owners cannot count on him not being a pain in the ass. What if he gets signed by another team and then he decides to escalate it by having an American flag tucked in the back of his pants so that his ass is always rubbing on the flag? If they try and cut him, they are even bigger racists this time around.
You want a reason why he has no job? Blame today's America. Don't blame the ones who own the business and are responsible for its success. Geno had a job because he kept his mouth shut while at work. Once he is done with football, he can start his huge "Earth is flat" campaign.
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You're entitled to that opinion. And certain players are entitled to their opinion that too many black people get shot by police. And the owners are entitled not to hire those players who kneel. And we're all entitled to bitch at each other about our opinions thanks to Eric hosting this site. It's a better system than "harmony" in China, at least.
Very well said.
Its really not....just covers one view point. If I dared bring up the other view point, I will be called racist and I dont feel like dealing with that here.
False equivalency. One is in reference to private industry, one to a public entity. Also, both are ok at work if the decision makers involved in the administration of each decide that it is ok. So the meme/cartoon here really doesn't make sense and is completely illogical.
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1. Wears pig/cop socks to practice
2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."
3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government
4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assata’s Daughters, a Chicago “direct action” resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.
5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police
6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the group’s commitment to “develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.”
7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.
8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"
9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy
10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."
This guy doesn't deserve a job in the nfl.
No we don't. Because you post this same thing over... and over... and over again... soooooo... thanks for being consistent?
is he wrong though?
Wrong? No.
Repetitive? Yes.
Do I think some of the things on his list (actually, a majority of them) merit him not being allowed to continue his career? Hell no.
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1. Wears pig/cop socks to practice
2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."
3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government
4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assata’s Daughters, a Chicago “direct action” resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.
5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police
6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the group’s commitment to “develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.”
7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.
8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"
9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy
10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."
This guy doesn't deserve a job in the nfl.
No we don't. Because you post this same thing over... and over... and over again... soooooo... thanks for being consistent?
is he wrong though?
Wrong? No.
Repetitive? Yes.
Do I think some of the things on his list (actually, a majority of them) merit him not being allowed to continue his career? Hell no.
he can continue a career in football. Just not in the NFL.
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so him being better than other backups is pretty irrelevant.
He doesn't have the right... but he should have the opportunity to work when he hasn't broken any laws... particularly when if he HAD broken some laws he'd, in fact, have a job.
T-Bone, but he DOES have the opportunity...hence the few teams pursuing him that have. The league didnt hand down an edict saying no team may hire him unless he stands for the anthem. Teams arent hiring him because his risk does not outweigh the reward. All he has to do is say he won't pursue this while he is hired and all would be fine. He would prob get signed immediately.
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Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?
Or better yet... just leave the teams in the locker room like they used to do!
MAKING a person stand for the National Anthem is about the most UNAmerican thing I can think of... and yet that's exactly what most here and fans of the NFL that have a problem with the kneeling want... but... funny enough... most of the military guys I know and have heard from support the kneeling. Go figure.
It would be UnAmerican if they were MAKING the person to stand. But they aren't...they are compelling them to stand as a condition of employment. If that's a condition of employment, it's not UnAmerican. I personally would have no problem with the elimination of the anthem before games, or keeping the players inside the locker room or tunnel for the anthem. I don't think the owners want that because I think they want the anthem and want their players to be part of the pomp and nationalist ceremony performed prior to a game. If that's the case, that is their right as the business owner and the guy who writes the checks. The checks, now...that are cashed by the players, they have no problem with the owners writing those checks for them to cash, so it would seem that they shouldn't have a problem with complying with a specific set of behavior when representing the company on field, in company uniform.
Don't want to? Somebody else will cash those checks. Pretty simple.
But that's exactly what many want the NFL owners to do... MAKE them stand... and there are owners (like Jones for instance) who have taken it under consideration.
Wrong. They can't MAKE them do anything. They have said if they kneel they won't have a job. That's not the same thing. The 1st Amendment guaranteeing free speech is protected here because nobody can imprison or strip Kaep of his freedom to protest. However, the owners can not be stripped of their right to not have him protest as a member of their organization. That is not the same thing, that is not unAmerican. Free association and the freedom to hire and fire who you want IS just as American as the freedom of speech.
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1. Wears pig/cop socks to practice
2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."
3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government
4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assata’s Daughters, a Chicago “direct action” resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.
5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police
6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the group’s commitment to “develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.”
7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.
8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"
9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy
10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."
This guy doesn't deserve a job in the nfl.
No we don't. Because you post this same thing over... and over... and over again... soooooo... thanks for being consistent?
is he wrong though?
Wrong? No.
Repetitive? Yes.
Do I think some of the things on his list (actually, a majority of them) merit him not being allowed to continue his career? Hell no.
he can continue a career in football. Just not in the NFL.
Yet.
Again, it isn't his right to play in the NFL. He made his bed...
Criminals being given contracts is a whole separate issue, one that I think is pretty ridiculous but you have to put a lot of that blame on the public who mostly don't care about what laws are being broken if TD's are being scored.
Its an unfair world, Colin.
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so him being better than other backups is pretty irrelevant.
He doesn't have the right... but he should have the opportunity to work when he hasn't broken any laws... particularly when if he HAD broken some laws he'd, in fact, have a job.
T-Bone, but he DOES have the opportunity...hence the few teams pursuing him that have. The league didnt hand down an edict saying no team may hire him unless he stands for the anthem. Teams arent hiring him because his risk does not outweigh the reward. All he has to do is say he won't pursue this while he is hired and all would be fine. He would prob get signed immediately.
chop - This is where I'm confused because, as someone mentioned earlier, I was under the impression he said he wasn't going to kneel anymore. I'm wondering why he changed his mind?
Personally... if I had a chance to give him some advice... my advice would be to stop the kneeling and do what's best for him. He's brought about awareness to the issue and that can never be changed and now I'd want him to do what's best for HIM... especially since it doesn't seem that the protest had much of an effect anyway.
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Do not show the players on the sidelines. Show a tight picture of whoever is singing or the flag or both. If no one sees it, did it happen? The players get to kneel if they want and the people in the stadium see it, so it is a protest. No one is stopping them, their right to protest is preserved and people who just want to watch football on Sunday and not have their head explode because of a kneeling player get their wish too. Why not that?
Or better yet... just leave the teams in the locker room like they used to do!
MAKING a person stand for the National Anthem is about the most UNAmerican thing I can think of... and yet that's exactly what most here and fans of the NFL that have a problem with the kneeling want... but... funny enough... most of the military guys I know and have heard from support the kneeling. Go figure.
It would be UnAmerican if they were MAKING the person to stand. But they aren't...they are compelling them to stand as a condition of employment. If that's a condition of employment, it's not UnAmerican. I personally would have no problem with the elimination of the anthem before games, or keeping the players inside the locker room or tunnel for the anthem. I don't think the owners want that because I think they want the anthem and want their players to be part of the pomp and nationalist ceremony performed prior to a game. If that's the case, that is their right as the business owner and the guy who writes the checks. The checks, now...that are cashed by the players, they have no problem with the owners writing those checks for them to cash, so it would seem that they shouldn't have a problem with complying with a specific set of behavior when representing the company on field, in company uniform.
Don't want to? Somebody else will cash those checks. Pretty simple.
But that's exactly what many want the NFL owners to do... MAKE them stand... and there are owners (like Jones for instance) who have taken it under consideration.
Wrong. They can't MAKE them do anything. They have said if they kneel they won't have a job. That's not the same thing. The 1st Amendment guaranteeing free speech is protected here because nobody can imprison or strip Kaep of his freedom to protest. However, the owners can not be stripped of their right to not have him protest as a member of their organization. That is not the same thing, that is not unAmerican. Free association and the freedom to hire and fire who you want IS just as American as the freedom of speech.
I know they can't MAKE them do anything... but again, it's been suggested that they should.
Again, it isn't his right to play in the NFL. He made his bed...
Criminals being given contracts is a whole separate issue, one that I think is pretty ridiculous but you have to put a lot of that blame on the public who mostly don't care about what laws are being broken if TD's are being scored.
Its an unfair world, Colin.
Yes... this is what it essentially boils down to.
Brilliant post.
Seahawks just win a huge game against an opponent and the fucking back up QB has got the entire media surrounding him asking about social injustices that he isnt even well-versed on...players see that. Coaches see that.
He is absolutely a distraction.
And he's also suing the NFL - ALL owners. Outside of his protects, this is another fairly large distraction.
But think that's the essence of this - Kaepernick is a distraction. The media - overwhelmingly left leaning - have embraced his cause, and fully. And if Kaepernick gets a contract to join a team you can't help but think the media will circle the new team like a school of sharks around blood.
Kaepernick is at a major crossroads - does he want to play football or does he want to be an activist?
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1. Wears pig/cop socks to practice
2. Leaves US on 4th of July to go to Africa saying " To find my independence I went home."
3. Celebrates birthday on his twitter account to cop killer Joanne Chesimard aka Assata Shakur who escaped prison and is in Cuba being protected by that government
4. Kaepernick donates 25k to Assata’s Daughters, a Chicago “direct action” resistance organization honoring Assata Shakur, who escaped prison and fled to Cuba after being found guilty in the 1973 murder of Officer Werner Foerster.
5. Also donates $2,500 for CopWatch, a program that trains volunteers to follow and video police
6. $15,000 for teen training, part of the group’s commitment to “develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.”
7. Praises Cuba and Castro by wearing a Castro and Malcolm X tee shirt at Miami press conference.
8. Compares todays police to the Runaway Slave Patrol from the 1800's with the caption "A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!"
9. Praises Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Che Guevara, has camps for minority children only that teach Black Panther philosophy
10. His girlfriend spoiled his chances to sign with the Ravens because of her racist tweet: "The tweet posted on Aug. 2 by Nessa Diab shows Ray Lewis embracing Biscotti, similar to movie the "Django Unchained," where a character played by Samuel L. Jackson hugs slave-owner Leonardo DiCaprio's character."
This guy doesn't deserve a job in the nfl.
No we don't. Because you post this same thing over... and over... and over again... soooooo... thanks for being consistent?
is he wrong though?
Wrong? No.
Repetitive? Yes.
Do I think some of the things on his list (actually, a majority of them) merit him not being allowed to continue his career? Hell no.
So praising cop killers, racists, murderous dictators and revolutionaries, depicting police as pigs and denouncing the country that made you a famous, multimillionaire is the kind of guy you would want on your football team. I wouldn't.
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So praising cop killers, racists, murderous dictators and revolutionaries, depicting police as pigs and denouncing the country that made you a famous, multimillionaire is the kind of guy you would want on your football team. I wouldn't.
I'm REALLY not trying to get banned today so I'll just say... well... no, I won't even say that.
Have a good night.
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so him being better than other backups is pretty irrelevant.
He doesn't have the right... but he should have the opportunity to work when he hasn't broken any laws... particularly when if he HAD broken some laws he'd, in fact, have a job.
T-Bone, but he DOES have the opportunity...hence the few teams pursuing him that have. The league didnt hand down an edict saying no team may hire him unless he stands for the anthem. Teams arent hiring him because his risk does not outweigh the reward. All he has to do is say he won't pursue this while he is hired and all would be fine. He would prob get signed immediately.
chop - This is where I'm confused because, as someone mentioned earlier, I was under the impression he said he wasn't going to kneel anymore. I'm wondering why he changed his mind?
Personally... if I had a chance to give him some advice... my advice would be to stop the kneeling and do what's best for him. He's brought about awareness to the issue and that can never be changed and now I'd want him to do what's best for HIM... especially since it doesn't seem that the protest had much of an effect anyway.
Well according to the second set of tweets, it seems like the Seahawks (with arguably the most liberal fanbased and state in the entire country) are trying to get him to agree to some parameters in the interest of maintaining the integrity of thwir brand, and he has failed to do so.
It is DAMNING how many teams who were/are desperate for a QB, especially with his talent and he still has no job. I think many of you look at him as if he was Jackie Robinson being held back when in reality hes a mediocre QB who ruffles feathers.
Can't blame owners for not wanting to take on a distraction for a backup QB that may not fit the offense they run. Just not worth it.
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so him being better than other backups is pretty irrelevant.
He doesn't have the right... but he should have the opportunity to work when he hasn't broken any laws... particularly when if he HAD broken some laws he'd, in fact, have a job.
T-Bone, but he DOES have the opportunity...hence the few teams pursuing him that have. The league didnt hand down an edict saying no team may hire him unless he stands for the anthem. Teams arent hiring him because his risk does not outweigh the reward. All he has to do is say he won't pursue this while he is hired and all would be fine. He would prob get signed immediately.
chop - This is where I'm confused because, as someone mentioned earlier, I was under the impression he said he wasn't going to kneel anymore. I'm wondering why he changed his mind?
Personally... if I had a chance to give him some advice... my advice would be to stop the kneeling and do what's best for him. He's brought about awareness to the issue and that can never be changed and now I'd want him to do what's best for HIM... especially since it doesn't seem that the protest had much of an effect anyway.
Well according to the second set of tweets, it seems like the Seahawks (with arguably the most liberal fanbased and state in the entire country) are trying to get him to agree to some parameters in the interest of maintaining the integrity of thwir brand, and he has failed to do so.
It is DAMNING how many teams who were/are desperate for a QB, especially with his talent and he still has no job. I think many of you look at him as if he was Jackie Robinson being held back when in reality hes a mediocre QB who ruffles feathers.
It's my understanding that they wanted to him to let them know what his future plans were as far as the protests go and he didn't have one to give them (I wonder if he was informed to have a plan in place?). Let's keep in mind the wording of the announcement... the Seahawks POSTPONED the visit... not cancelled. In other words, they're still willing to allow him to at least get his foot in the door... which is really all anyone can ask for right now.
Lastly, it's funny how in one sentence you say 'a QB, especially with is talent...' and then in the very next sentence call him 'mediocre'. LOL!
There’s nothing left to say unless you happen to agree with any of those undisputed actions of CK.
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I'm REALLY not trying to get banned today so I'll just say... well... no, I won't even say that.
Have a good night.
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so him being better than other backups is pretty irrelevant.
He doesn't have the right... but he should have the opportunity to work when he hasn't broken any laws... particularly when if he HAD broken some laws he'd, in fact, have a job.
T-Bone, but he DOES have the opportunity...hence the few teams pursuing him that have. The league didnt hand down an edict saying no team may hire him unless he stands for the anthem. Teams arent hiring him because his risk does not outweigh the reward. All he has to do is say he won't pursue this while he is hired and all would be fine. He would prob get signed immediately.
chop - This is where I'm confused because, as someone mentioned earlier, I was under the impression he said he wasn't going to kneel anymore. I'm wondering why he changed his mind?
Personally... if I had a chance to give him some advice... my advice would be to stop the kneeling and do what's best for him. He's brought about awareness to the issue and that can never be changed and now I'd want him to do what's best for HIM... especially since it doesn't seem that the protest had much of an effect anyway.
Well according to the second set of tweets, it seems like the Seahawks (with arguably the most liberal fanbased and state in the entire country) are trying to get him to agree to some parameters in the interest of maintaining the integrity of thwir brand, and he has failed to do so.
It is DAMNING how many teams who were/are desperate for a QB, especially with his talent and he still has no job. I think many of you look at him as if he was Jackie Robinson being held back when in reality hes a mediocre QB who ruffles feathers.
It's my understanding that they wanted to him to let them know what his future plans were as far as the protests go and he didn't have one to give them (I wonder if he was informed to have a plan in place?). Let's keep in mind the wording of the announcement... the Seahawks POSTPONED the visit... not cancelled. In other words, they're still willing to allow him to at least get his foot in the door... which is really all anyone can ask for right now.
Lastly, it's funny how in one sentence you say 'a QB, especially with is talent...' and then in the very next sentence call him 'mediocre'. LOL!
His performance has been mediocre for a while now. But his talent has never beeen disputed. His talent is the only reason he is even a relevant option. Ryan Leaf had worlds of talent too.
Read it how you will T, but obviously he is not doing everything in his power to get a deal done. Seems highly unlikely that he is 100% conforming to any contractual stipulations vis a vis his protests.
Lastly T. Dont let the hyenas chase you away from a good discussion. If I can ignore the trolls, so can you.
Lastly T. Dont let the hyenas chase you away from a good discussion. If I can ignore the trolls, so can you.
Haha - troll and hyena for posting facts about Kaepernicks own documented actions that can be proven with a simple google search. Ok then.
He hasn't been on any Mets threads this year! I wonder why? I'll look out for him during the first losing streak.
What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.
CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.
Besides, although somewhat annoyingly, consistently repetitive with his reasoning for not liking Kap, I can see how some things on his list would ‘ruffle’ some feathers (for example the pig socks... which I too thought was pretty stupid of him to wear) but there are some things he obviously sees from a perspective different than my own (like #’s 2, 7 & 9 on his list) that I necessarily don’t have an issue with but can see how someone like himself would take issue with (at least based on his previous posts anyway).
Lastly, I’ve been around here long enough that it’ll take much more than giants24 to run me off. That’s reserved for the true heavyweights like yourself lol.
What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.
CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.
Very nice post sir!
What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.
CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.
I agree with your overall point but the NFL is not the government and he therefore is not being denied any constitutional right.
What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.
CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.
No one is denying him his right to express himself. What many people seem to forget is that playing football is a JOB. What would happen if you or I went to work and protested about something that has nothing to do with our jobs while we were being paid to do that job? I don't know about you, but I would be told to stop immediately and get back to work, the work I m being paid to do. If I choose not to do so, I would be looking for a new job.
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his constitutional rights to express himself.
What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.
CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.
No one is denying him his right to express himself. What many people seem to forget is that playing football is a JOB. What would happen if you or I went to work and protested about something that has nothing to do with our jobs while we were being paid to do that job? I don't know about you, but I would be told to stop immediately and get back to work, the work I m being paid to do. If I choose not to do so, I would be looking for a new job.
When has standing for the national anthem been a required part of the job description for an NFL player?
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his constitutional rights to express himself.
What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.
CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.
No one is denying him his right to express himself. What many people seem to forget is that playing football is a JOB. What would happen if you or I went to work and protested about something that has nothing to do with our jobs while we were being paid to do that job? I don't know about you, but I would be told to stop immediately and get back to work, the work I m being paid to do. If I choose not to do so, I would be looking for a new job.
When has standing for the national anthem been a required part of the job description for an NFL player?
This has been part of the NFL game operations manual for a long time. Regardless, any member organization can make employee policy at any time, subject to change and at their discretion. This is work, it's business, it's companies and employees. It has nothing to do with rights, freedoms, or social justice and causes. Nobody is stopping Kaepernick or anyone else from taking whatever political stance they want or speaking about whatever cause or issue they want. They are stopping them from doing it as a member of their football organization.
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his constitutional rights to express himself.
What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.
CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.
No one is denying him his right to express himself. What many people seem to forget is that playing football is a JOB. What would happen if you or I went to work and protested about something that has nothing to do with our jobs while we were being paid to do that job? I don't know about you, but I would be told to stop immediately and get back to work, the work I m being paid to do. If I choose not to do so, I would be looking for a new job.
When has standing for the national anthem been a required part of the job description for an NFL player?
This has been part of the NFL game operations manual for a long time. Regardless, any member organization can make employee policy at any time, subject to change and at their discretion. This is work, it's business, it's companies and employees. It has nothing to do with rights, freedoms, or social justice and causes. Nobody is stopping Kaepernick or anyone else from taking whatever political stance they want or speaking about whatever cause or issue they want. They are stopping them from doing it as a member of their football organization.
I’ve seen that before and I may be wrong but it’s not a requirement, or else they would’ve been enforcing it no?
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his constitutional rights to express himself.
What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.
CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.
No one is denying him his right to express himself. What many people seem to forget is that playing football is a JOB. What would happen if you or I went to work and protested about something that has nothing to do with our jobs while we were being paid to do that job? I don't know about you, but I would be told to stop immediately and get back to work, the work I m being paid to do. If I choose not to do so, I would be looking for a new job.
When has standing for the national anthem been a required part of the job description for an NFL player?
This has been part of the NFL game operations manual for a long time. Regardless, any member organization can make employee policy at any time, subject to change and at their discretion. This is work, it's business, it's companies and employees. It has nothing to do with rights, freedoms, or social justice and causes. Nobody is stopping Kaepernick or anyone else from taking whatever political stance they want or speaking about whatever cause or issue they want. They are stopping them from doing it as a member of their football organization.
I'm just a random white guy, but I think CK is representing the very best traditions of our society. You can talk all you want about the rights of employers and all that, and I would agree, but they are on the wrong side of history.
I have a suggestion...why don't we listen to what these players are trying to tell us and deal with the inequalities that actually exist and affect their lives and the lives of their families.
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his constitutional rights to express himself.
What's more, I support his cause, that being police violence and biased sentencing directed toward black men. What's more, I think the teams avoiding him are cowards and would be better served if they signed him and addressed a legitimate important issue in our society.
CK's protest is a legitimate concern. I know some of you want to keep politics out of football, but is the kneeling really such a hardship for you when compared to black men not being able to drive a nice car in a white neighborhood? He is inserting himself into your Sunday, and I know some of you don't like that, but he is inserting himself because he has the opportunity and forum to do so. If he was some black guy and not an NFL QB, nobody would listen, which is precisely the point.
I agree with your overall point but the NFL is not the government and he therefore is not being denied any constitutional right.
We all have something to say. For most of us nobody is listening. Now imagine you become an NFL QB and suddenly people start listening to what you have to say. That is your time to make a difference and I think that is what CK is doing. 10 years from now these players are just regular guys and nobody cares what they think. Now is the time to take a knee and take a stance. Is it really so hard for us to respect their experiences?