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jvm52106 : 4/12/2018 2:24 pm
Lance Zierlein from NFL.com basically just said that Cleveland has NO interest in Josh Rosen. Not sure he buys the smoke around Allen going #1.

Makes a big point that Allen doesn't have great "anticipation" skills at QB and may NEVER have that.

He even makes the point to say the QB's coming out, could go 1, 2, 3 and maybe and even 1-4 but that none of the QB's are in the top 4 players in the draft.

I have been of that same mindset that the QB's and their value this year is greatly inflated.
that's why we need to draft  
SHO'NUFF : 4/12/2018 2:37 pm : link
Saquon Barkley.
Not unique  
AcesUp : 4/12/2018 2:42 pm : link
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I have been of that same mindset that the QB's and their value this year is greatly inflated.


Their value every year is inflated. If you wait until the QB is the best player on the board in the draft, you're probably never drafting a QB...ever.
Yeah man  
antdog24 : 4/12/2018 2:42 pm : link
Barkley has to be the pick. Immediate impact to the offense and will help Eli immensely.
QBs  
AcidTest : 4/12/2018 2:51 pm : link
always get drafted higher than they should. Frequently, much higher.
Hmm  
Ryan in Albany : 4/12/2018 2:54 pm : link
Yesterday I was Rosen; today Barkley; tomorrow, we'll see.
RE: Not unique  
jvm52106 : 4/12/2018 3:14 pm : link
In comment 13911575 AcesUp said:
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I have been of that same mindset that the QB's and their value this year is greatly inflated.



Their value every year is inflated. If you wait until the QB is the best player on the board in the draft, you're probably never drafting a QB...ever.


Yeah, BUT, this group to me just isn';t the same. You can say whatever you want to fit the narrative you want but to me the best QB of this bunch is Mayfield and the Giants don't seem like they are looking at him seriously. Rosen is way overrated here and Allen is basically no better than Webb in terms of being ready to play straight from college. Allen will need a lot of work.

Darnold has tools and the physical pieces but he is a turnover machine and that might be hard to break.
RE: Yeah man  
Rjanyg : 4/12/2018 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13911577 antdog24 said:
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Barkley has to be the pick. Immediate impact to the offense and will help Eli immensely.


Antdog,

You heard any rumblings with regards to the visits? Chubb had a nice visit. Is the hype real or a mirage?
RE: QBs  
bigbluescot : 4/12/2018 3:32 pm : link
In comment 13911606 AcidTest said:
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always get drafted higher than they should. Frequently, much higher.


It's ridiculous this year though, and frankly it's not all to do with the quality of the QB's. down to the teams needing a QB even good teams. You've got the QB class of 2004 on coming into the home straight, Brady starting to make real noises about calling it quits, Brees on his final two years most probably.

I mean you can make the case for all the following teams needing a QB at some point in the draft.

Browns,
Giants,
Jets,
Denver,
Miami,
Chargers,
Bills,
Arizona,
Baltimore,
Bengals,
Steelers,
Saints,
Jacksonville,
New England

I wouldn't be surprised if 6 QB's (Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield, Jackson and Rudolph) go in the first round if Rudolph sneaks in there. The other factor which is pushing the QB's up is that after the first 12 or so players it's a reasonably flat draft talent wise between the middle of the 1st round to the middle of the 3rd. According to MMQB, one NFL exec talking about a Giants trade with the Bills said "The problem is that the 22nd pick might as well be in the third round." It's a deep draft with good, if not a lot of exceptional prospects.
RE: RE: QBs  
AcidTest : 4/12/2018 3:36 pm : link
In comment 13911715 bigbluescot said:
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In comment 13911606 AcidTest said:


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always get drafted higher than they should. Frequently, much higher.



It's ridiculous this year though, and frankly it's not all to do with the quality of the QB's. down to the teams needing a QB even good teams. You've got the QB class of 2004 on coming into the home straight, Brady starting to make real noises about calling it quits, Brees on his final two years most probably.

I mean you can make the case for all the following teams needing a QB at some point in the draft.

Browns,
Giants,
Jets,
Denver,
Miami,
Chargers,
Bills,
Arizona,
Baltimore,
Bengals,
Steelers,
Saints,
Jacksonville,
New England

I wouldn't be surprised if 6 QB's (Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield, Jackson and Rudolph) go in the first round if Rudolph sneaks in there. The other factor which is pushing the QB's up is that after the first 12 or so players it's a reasonably flat draft talent wise between the middle of the 1st round to the middle of the 3rd. According to MMQB, one NFL exec talking about a Giants trade with the Bills said "The problem is that the 22nd pick might as well be in the third round." It's a deep draft with good, if not a lot of exceptional prospects.


Excellent analysis. That's also why I don't want to trade down with Buffalo. A few blue chip prospects, and a sea of red chippers.
Pat Kirwin on Moving the Chains just now  
jvm52106 : 4/12/2018 3:51 pm : link
basically ripped Rosen and said look at Rosen and his 0 TD 3 Int game against (I think he said Arizona) and then went on and said compare Mayfield's worst game to Rosen's worst game.. Not even close.

I have not been for Rosen at all and continue to be anti Rosen. Way too much there that just leaves me feeling MEH...
jvm  
AcesUp : 4/12/2018 4:07 pm : link
No narrative here, I'm done debating these things really. I was more focused on that comment, I think a lot of Giants fans are only noticing this now because the team is in the mix for the first time since 2004. These guys are no more overhyped than any of the other top QBs in previous drafts.
QBs  
Archer : 4/12/2018 4:08 pm : link
There is a lot of differing opinions about the QBs and for that matter all of the top players

I think that this occurs every year but this year the Giants pick second and have the opportunity to draft a premier player

While experts have completely differing opinions about all of the prospects

This is an excellent draft compared to others
There are more quality players and a greater depth of quality players than in previous years
I heard on Sirius NFL radio that the consensus was that the top 5 QBs including Jackson would be first round picks in any draft
RE: jvm  
jvm52106 : 4/12/2018 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13911800 AcesUp said:
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No narrative here, I'm done debating these things really. I was more focused on that comment, I think a lot of Giants fans are only noticing this now because the team is in the mix for the first time since 2004. These guys are no more overhyped than any of the other top QBs in previous drafts.


I meant narrative in general and not specifically you. I think this group is way over hyped out of fear than actual talent and result. We shall see.
I think there's just more of them this year, that's all  
AcesUp : 4/12/2018 4:18 pm : link
There's no Luck in the group but there's 4 guys on that next tier. Once you get past no brainer territory, it's entirely subjective and you're going to see a lot of variance in their evaluations. Typically, you're only dealing with 1 or 2 of these guys in a draft, the amount of options this year compared to others is driving the discussion and "hype" so to speak.
'that none of the QB's are in the top 4 players in the draft'...  
Torrag : 4/12/2018 5:13 pm : link
I disagree with him.
RE: 'that none of the QB's are in the top 4 players in the draft'...  
Beer Man : 4/12/2018 5:21 pm : link
In comment 13911934 Torrag said:
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I disagree with him.
A number of the Player Ranking sites have similar opinions. NFL.com has Darnold at 5, however the next QB is Rosen at 14. The others high ranking QBs are rank in the 20s and above (Allen is at 40)
No offense  
UberAlias : 4/12/2018 8:04 pm : link
But if QBs go 1,2,3, then to hell with what the media blowhards think. Itís easy to sit there and have an opinion when you have nothing in the line.
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