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Walter Football: Giants/Broncos may be talking trade

Anakim : 4/12/2018 9:36 pm
Walter Football said that someone told him on Facebook (legit?) that the Broncos and Giants would swap first round picks and CJ Anderson and other draft picks would be going to the Giants.
i imagine they are laying the groundwork  
GiantsFan84 : 4/12/2018 9:39 pm : link
for all possible trades right now. just doing their homework. doesn't mean they are trading out
Source seems suspicious.  
Mike from SI : 4/12/2018 9:39 pm : link
But I would take it! Guaranteed one of Chubb/Nelson/Saquon.
Historically these trades  
Jarvis : 4/12/2018 9:47 pm : link
come out of nowhere. Like the JPP trade...no one had any idea until it was over...like the Jets trade up to the colts pick...not one rumor.

I am just guessing and could be completely wrong, but usually trades that get rumored just don't seem to happen. If a trade happens the 1st time we will likely hear about it is after it has occurred.
Why would they want CJ Anderson?  
Tom in NY : 4/12/2018 9:48 pm : link
Seems like a red flag in this info that leads me to believe it's BS.

Then again, could be the Broncos offered Anderson as part of a garage sale of picks/player...doesn't mean the Giants said yes.
Walter Football sucks.  
Mr. Bungle : 4/12/2018 9:52 pm : link
They know nothing.
No trade will be made until the Browns make their pick  
Sean : 4/12/2018 9:52 pm : link
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RE: No trade will be made until the Browns make their pick  
AcidTest : 4/12/2018 10:03 pm : link
In comment 13912244 Sean said:
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Agreed. And if Darnold is available, my guess is that they will take him instead of trading the pick.

No interest in Anderson.

Giants need to have everything worked out with every potential trade partner when their 10 minutes starts.
Facebook?  
twostepgiants : 4/12/2018 10:06 pm : link
Sounds reliable.
Here's the WF tidbit:  
Anakim : 4/12/2018 10:07 pm : link
Let's go back to the top five, because I got a tip from a Facebook friend I'll keep anonymous. He alerted me that the Giants and Broncos are discussing a trade. In this proposed transaction, Denver would move up to No. 2 to select Sam Darnold, while the Giants would slide down to take either Bradley Chubb or Quenton Nelson with the fifth-overall choice.

It remains to be seen if this trade will actually happen, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if this tip is true, and that Denver and New York have spoken about a deal. The Bills are the most popular team people are projecting to move up, but the quarterback-needy Broncos could do so as well.

So, what would a Giants-Broncos trade look like? Here it is:

image: http://walterfootball.com/images/fball/broncosb_logo.gif


image: http://walterfootball.com/images/fball/giantsb_logo.gif


Broncos acquire: Nos. 2 (2,600 points) overall = 2,600 points
Giants acquire: Nos. 5 (1,700 points), 40 (500 points), 71 (235 points), RB C.J. Anderson (~100 points) = 2,535 points
(see NFL Draft Trade Chart for point values)

In short, the Broncos are surrendering their second- and third-round picks, as well as C.J. Anderson (whom Denver wants to trade), to move up to No. 2.
RE: Facebook?  
Anakim : 4/12/2018 10:08 pm : link
In comment 13912253 twostepgiants said:
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Sounds reliable.


Totes
The  
AcidTest : 4/12/2018 10:08 pm : link
"proposed" trade involves the Broncos giving us their second and third round picks and Anderson so they can trade up to take Darnold. Hell, no.

That trade sucks - ( New Window )
I heard a guy in an elevator say . . . .  
TC : 4/12/2018 10:14 pm : link
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So the Giants are passing on Darnold in that scenario?  
Sean : 4/12/2018 10:17 pm : link
Doubtful.
RE: The  
Tom in NY : 4/12/2018 10:18 pm : link
In comment 13912257 AcidTest said:
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"proposed" trade involves the Broncos giving us their second and third round picks and Anderson so they can trade up to take Darnold. Hell, no. That trade sucks - ( New Window )


If that's all they get, then stay and pick the QB. That extra 2nd and 3rd will look like garbage if the QB winds up being a franchise QB.
They can shove  
Mr. Nickels : 4/12/2018 10:21 pm : link
CJ anderson RIGHT UP THEIR ASSES
a 2nd and 2019 1st must be minimum  
George from PA : 4/12/2018 10:35 pm : link
but I still think Giante draft Darnold if available
sure...  
firedbytheboss : 4/12/2018 10:49 pm : link
just so they know that CJ Anderson is totally worthless.
RE: RE: The  
firedbytheboss : 4/12/2018 10:52 pm : link
In comment 13912265 Tom in NY said:
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In comment 13912257 AcidTest said:


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"proposed" trade involves the Broncos giving us their second and third round picks and Anderson so they can trade up to take Darnold. Hell, no. That trade sucks - ( New Window )



If that's all they get, then stay and pick the QB. That extra 2nd and 3rd will look like garbage if the QB winds up being a franchise QB.


this can't be true because if it was true it would mean Gettleman is a fucking idiot... and I know that he is not so... not true.
LOL  
Peppers : 4/12/2018 11:07 pm : link
He sited Facebook.. That's great.
RE: LOL  
mfsd : 4/12/2018 11:19 pm : link
In comment 13912308 Peppers said:
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He sited Facebook.. That's great.


Lol seriously. I hope he got a lot of ďlikesĒ from people
Facebook? bwahahahahahahaha!  
SterlingArcher : 4/12/2018 11:20 pm : link
Yeah, real reliable source! And, why would the Giants want with Anderson, they already have a bunch of backs like him!
Not enough  
Des51 : 4/12/2018 11:47 pm : link
Considering the Jets gave up pk 6 (1600 pts), pk 37 (530 pts) pk 49(410 pts) and a 2019 2nd rd pk, say worth 420 if picking 16th in the 2nd rd, that's 2960 pts for moving up 3 spots to pk 3 worth 2200. Give me that kind of value and we'll talk.
RE: Not enough  
firedbytheboss : 4/12/2018 11:52 pm : link
In comment 13912331 Des51 said:
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Considering the Jets gave up pk 6 (1600 pts), pk 37 (530 pts) pk 49(410 pts) and a 2019 2nd rd pk, say worth 420 if picking 16th in the 2nd rd, that's 2960 pts for moving up 3 spots to pk 3 worth 2200. Give me that kind of value and we'll talk.


anybody moving up to #2 to get their franchise QB has to overpay what these pick valuation charts say. but anyway we need to draft one of those qbs
LOL  
SHO'NUFF : 4/12/2018 11:54 pm : link
we don't even get equal point value in this scenario
2nd pick value  
Des51 : 4/12/2018 11:54 pm : link
Based on the Jets trade the Giants should be looking for around 3350 pts for that # 2 pk
The chart  
djstat : 4/12/2018 11:56 pm : link
It out dated. Most nfl people say that constantly
there are only..  
firedbytheboss : 4/12/2018 11:59 pm : link
two potential draft partners imo..

The Browns and the Bills...

The Bills have the two firsts and a first next year makes the most sense.

but I would pass on all the offers to get a qb. QB is better than any haul we can get. There is no trade I would take. Grab Rosen and be done with it. The Jets beat guys are salivating over Rosen. Apparently Belichick wants him. But for some reason the best pure QB in the draft isn't good enough for us.
RE: LOL  
Mr. Nickels : 4/13/2018 12:09 am : link
In comment 13912334 SHO'NUFF said:
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we don't even get equal point value in this scenario


We get CJ Anderson though!
This can be true!  
wgenesis123 : 4/13/2018 1:50 am : link
If it is true than the Giants are just listening. This is Denver's offer, doesn't mean the Giants are taking it.! If it is just an opening offer by Denver to feel out the Giants for what it will take, it makes sense.
I am sure the giants have  
.McL. : 4/13/2018 2:51 am : link
Spoken with every team through the Bills at #12, and probably beyond about potential trades. For any trade to happen in the time allotted to the pick the groundwork has to have already been laid.

Look what happened in 2004. The chargers refused to talk ahead of time. Then after they picked manning it took until about 20 minutes AFTER the giants had to pick Rivers to finalize the deal.

These things take time, so smart GMs get everything ready ahead of time and then adjust in the heat of the moment.
At $4.5MM per year for the last two years of his contract...  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/13/2018 3:59 am : link
...C.J. Anderson has little or no trade value. He's a decent player, but no team will pay up for the privilege of taking on that salary. Besides, the Giants are already paying Jonathan Stewart close to $4MM to be the veteran anchor in the RB rotation.

FWIW, Denver owns the 99th pick, which WF's own chart values at 104 points. That pick could replace the 100 points this silly analysis assigns to Anderson. Denver could still throw in Anderson as a sweetener; but the Giants can probably get a more talented back (e.g. Royce Freeman) at the bottom of round three and pay him peanuts for four years.
Facebook?  
XBRONX : 4/13/2018 6:00 am : link
Are they sure it wasn't posted by Russian trolll?
Itís just a proposed trade WF does from time to time  
jeff57 : 4/13/2018 6:15 am : link
Their own creation.
CJ Anderson - LOL  
ZogZerg : 4/13/2018 6:19 am : link
Sounds like a Bronco fan made up that trade....
Here is what CBS sports suggested for Giants/Broncos trade  
ZogZerg : 4/13/2018 6:32 am : link
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To Broncos for No. 5, No. 71 and 2019 first-rounder

The Broncos are loaded in this draft, with two picks each in the third, fourth and fifth rounds. If they're looking to move up for a specific quarterback and if they're willing to part with next year's first-rounder to do it, they can certainly find the right sweetener among their cache of 2018 picks to entice the Giants to take their offer. The Giants might not want to move too far down if they have their eye on a top non-QB prospect, so this trade would strike the perfect balance for them to still pick up a Saquon Barkley or Bradley Chubb.
RE: Here is what CBS sports suggested for Giants/Broncos trade  
Beer Man : 4/13/2018 7:07 am : link
In comment 13912379 ZogZerg said:
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To Broncos for No. 5, No. 71 and 2019 first-rounder

The Broncos are loaded in this draft, with two picks each in the third, fourth and fifth rounds. If they're looking to move up for a specific quarterback and if they're willing to part with next year's first-rounder to do it, they can certainly find the right sweetener among their cache of 2018 picks to entice the Giants to take their offer. The Giants might not want to move too far down if they have their eye on a top non-QB prospect, so this trade would strike the perfect balance for them to still pick up a Saquon Barkley or Bradley Chubb.


There are so many really great options for the Giants this year, I really hope they don't f it up.
Anderson aside  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/13/2018 7:20 am : link
I find it difficult to believe that Denver could get #2 without giving up an extra 1st, or any selections at all in 2019.

As someone else said, this sounds like a Broncos fan's wet dream.
let me just say this  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/13/2018 7:21 am : link
I believe the Broncos are the Giants best trading partner if the Giants don't want to pick a QB # 2 -- I also believe that Elway would move up to get a QB he liked -- and I also believe that Gettleman has the moxie to make a good deal with Elway that benefits the Giants.
RE: let me just say this  
Eman11 : 4/13/2018 7:28 am : link
In comment 13912403 gidiefor said:
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I believe the Broncos are the Giants best trading partner if the Giants don't want to pick a QB # 2 -- I also believe that Elway would move up to get a QB he liked -- and I also believe that Gettleman has the moxie to make a good deal with Elway that benefits the Giants.


I agree with you but would like to see DG talk to the Jets before dealing with Denver. I think he could the Jets to ante up their 2019 #1 plus whatever else he can get to swap places. I can see the Jets getting antsy if they think Denver would jump them, and swap picks with the Giants.

Then go for the trade back to #5 with Denver.
RE: Here is what CBS sports suggested for Giants/Broncos trade  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/13/2018 7:35 am : link
ZogZerg said:
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To Broncos for No. 5, No. 71 and 2019 first-rounder
Not enamored with 2019 picks from Denver. The Broncos might be decent with Keenum at QB. If the Giants are trading for a 2019 first-rounder, there's an advantage to having it come from a team that figures to either throw their rookie QB into the fire right away, or fill the gap with a genuinely crappy vet. Denver's 2019 picks obviously have value, but less than, say, Buffalo's.
Has..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/13/2018 8:28 am : link
Walter Football ever broke a story??

The only thing I know about Walter Football is they have the distinction of being in the bottom 5 for mock draft accuracy in 7 out of the last 10 years.

But they know people on Facebook....
Not sure why people  
Metnut : 4/13/2018 8:29 am : link
don't like this idea. We get a blue chip talent and extra picks. Hard pass on CJ Anderson though. Throw in an extra pick.

If we're going to pass on the QBs, trading down to Denver makes a whole load of sense.
I wouldn't want Anderson  
Beer Man : 4/13/2018 8:32 am : link
But I'd be happy with a deal for their 2018 1st & 2nd, and 2019 1st. The Giants would still be in position for one of the top impact players in this years draft, plus pickup two premium picks
If the Giants trade down with Denver, the #5 pick becomes very  
Ivan15 : 4/13/2018 9:03 am : link
Valuable if there is only one of the Big 4 QBs on the board or if the Browns trade out at #4 leaving Barkley available.

If the Giants donít go for a QB, I still think a trade down to #5 and then to #12 is likely. Get a bunch of picks from Denver and a bunch more from Buffalo.

DG said donít get cute and that certainly qualifies.

Agreed that nothing happens until the Giants are on the clock.
If there is a trade..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/13/2018 9:10 am : link
there will certainly be discussions before the Giants are on the clock.

You don't wait until draft day to make a major trade that leaves the other teams with hardly any time to pull a trigger.

Almost all first round trades have had discussions happening prior to draft night, even down to specific situations when the trade will be made or called off based on other team's actions.
RE: If there is a trade..  
Big Rick in FL : 4/13/2018 9:27 am : link
In comment 13912534 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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there will certainly be discussions before the Giants are on the clock.

You don't wait until draft day to make a major trade that leaves the other teams with hardly any time to pull a trigger.

Almost all first round trades have had discussions happening prior to draft night, even down to specific situations when the trade will be made or called off based on other team's actions.


Yup! Can't see why the media is making a big deal about this. Every team has talked about trading up and down to a number of different teams. It's meaningless.
RE: If the Giants trade down with Denver, the #5 pick becomes very  
Beer Man : 4/13/2018 9:42 am : link
In comment 13912519 Ivan15 said:
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Valuable if there is only one of the Big 4 QBs on the board or if the Browns trade out at #4 leaving Barkley available.

If the Giants donít go for a QB, I still think a trade down to #5 and then to #12 is likely. Get a bunch of picks from Denver and a bunch more from Buffalo.

DG said donít get cute and that certainly qualifies.

Agreed that nothing happens until the Giants are on the clock.
I think that 2nd trade from #5 to #12 would fall under the DG category of "You don't want to get too cute".
RE: Has..  
Percy : 4/13/2018 11:47 am : link
In comment 13912457 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Walter Football ever broke a story??

The only thing I know about Walter Football is they have the distinction of being in the bottom 5 for mock draft accuracy in 7 out of the last 10 years.

But they know people on Facebook....

Nice. (Stat source? Just curious.)
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