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Seventh Spiel : 4/13/2018 10:21 am
Says the Post. And just like that, from a surplus of catchers to a dearth
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Shecky : 4/13/2018 11:09 am : link
RE: RE: Just sign  
moze1021 : 4/13/2018 11:13 am : link
In comment 13912759 Eric on Li said:
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Carlos Ruiz before looking into trades



That's a really good idea.



I don't think I'd be able to handle hearing them call him "Chooch" every game...
If the 2-3 week timeline is accurate  
Chris684 : 4/13/2018 11:20 am : link
then there's really nothing to do other than sit tight at this point.

It's not like TDA or Plaw were staples in the lineup. The expectations were to basically be average. The offense probably suffers a little bit, but the defense may actually improve.
MLB traderumors  
giantsFC : 4/13/2018 11:20 am : link
has a decent list of players

fear not fellow pessimists (almost all met fans) there could be short term hope.
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debo_GIANTS : 4/13/2018 11:21 am : link
In comment 13912809 Shecky said:
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Sheck - Buster Posey trade in the works?
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 11:21 am : link
In comment 13912842 debo_GIANTS said:
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Sheck - Buster Posey trade in the works?


Haha, I think he meant that to be "water under the bridge"

In other words - we're fine.
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giantsFC : 4/13/2018 11:22 am : link
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giantsFC : 4/13/2018 11:23 am : link
In comment 13912844 arcarsenal said:
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Sheck - Buster Posey trade in the works?



Haha, I think he meant that to be "water under the bridge"

In other words - we're fine.


I interpreted it as the calm before the tidal wave hits...
Realmuto would be a great get,  
Ira : 4/13/2018 11:24 am : link
but he'll probably cost too much. Nimmo is our future at cf, once the team realizes that Jay Bruce's days are numbered. An outfield of Cespedes, Nimmo and Conforto is what we want going forward.

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Eric on Li : 4/13/2018 11:25 am : link
In comment 13912840 giantsFC said:
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has a decent list of players

fear not fellow pessimists (almost all met fans) there could be short term hope.


yea this is a very comprehensive list. Give Nido and Lobaton 10 days or so and I'm sure they will also add a veteran.
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Eric on Li : 4/13/2018 11:26 am : link
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Sheck - Buster Posey trade in the works?



Haha, I think he meant that to be "water under the bridge"

In other words - we're fine.



I interpreted it as the calm before the tidal wave hits...


I think he was saying he might jump.
Yeah most common suicide spot there is... lol  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2018 11:40 am : link
Not really funny but thatís where Shecky is considering heading.
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 11:42 am : link
I guess a picture really is worth a thousand words!
Desperation is not an envious  
pjcas18 : 4/13/2018 11:46 am : link
spot to be in, I'd wait it out, catcher is such a generally low offense producing position, I'd go with the best defensive option and let them roll.

and if some team approaches you with a fair offer for an everyday catcher, pull the trigger (not Gimenez).


If Plawecki is out only a few weeks  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2018 11:51 am : link
The smart play is definitely to roll with Lobaton/Nido for a while. They are both defensive minded so thatís good. In June/July asses and look at potential acquisitions. I think itís way too early now. The situation definitely sucks.
Why isnt Montero a viable option?  
spike : 4/13/2018 11:55 am : link
He played for the winning Cubs recently
Given their start the Mets have to make a move for a proven commodity  
Torrag : 4/13/2018 12:01 pm : link
Be it Lucroy or some of the other options discussed here. We can't wait have too long, we have to go get this done.
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2018 12:04 pm : link
In comment 13912914 Torrag said:
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Be it Lucroy or some of the other options discussed here. We can't wait have too long, we have to go get this done.


This will only lead to us overpaying big time. No reason to do this.

If Plawecki is only going to be out a few weeks, we'll survive.

Like I said before, we've been getting literally nothing offensively from either catcher and are 10-1. Not like either is a defensive whiz, either... especially not d'Arnaud.

We'll be fine. Roll with what we have for now or sign a vet and then when the deadline gets closer make a move for Realmuto or Lucroy if Plawecki isn't hitting much.
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ZGiants98 : 4/13/2018 12:53 pm : link

Matt Ehalt

@MattEhalt
Here's some recent feedback I got on some Mets' AAA guys:
Oswalt: back-end starter
Guillorme: Defensive gem
Brentz: Power, low avg.
Smith: best hitter
Cecchini: can be a major leaguer
Confirming what people have already said  
pjcas18 : 4/13/2018 1:10 pm : link
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Matt Ehalt
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Mets are not expecting Plawecki to be sidelined that long. Several weeks is early estimation.
Mets have asked about  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2018 1:11 pm : link
Realmuto.
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Timeline for Plaw?  
allstarjim : 4/13/2018 1:28 pm : link
What are we looking at, mid-late June before he's back?
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pjcas18 : 4/13/2018 1:31 pm : link
In comment 13913101 allstarjim said:
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What are we looking at, mid-late June before he's back?


look up two posts, Mets think just several weeks, so if they're right mid-May is more realistic for a conservative estimate.
RE: Timeline for Plaw?  
figgy2989 : 4/13/2018 1:31 pm : link
In comment 13913101 allstarjim said:
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What are we looking at, mid-late June before he's back?


Given the track record of the Mets training staff...I would say that Plaw will be able to start his rehab sometime in December. Should be ready by next spring.
the Mets must have a Kodak disposable camera for x-rays  
Victor in CT : 4/13/2018 1:49 pm : link
jeez.
Mets  
pjcas18 : 4/13/2018 1:56 pm : link
add Johnny Monell.

previously with the Mets a couple years ago, not sure if it's major or minor leagues.

I assume minors.
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spike : 4/13/2018 2:02 pm : link
In comment 13913107 figgy2989 said:
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What are we looking at, mid-late June before he's back?



Given the track record of the Mets training staff...I would say that Plaw will be able to start his rehab sometime in December. Should be ready by next spring.


Book the amputation
Yuck  
spike : 4/13/2018 2:16 pm : link

@Jacob_Resnick
Mets minor league catching depth after Jose Lobaton is (presumably) called up:
AAA-Colton Plaia (career .249 hitter), Jeff Glenn (literally all he does is catch bullpens)
AA-Patrick Mazeika (canít catch), Tyler Moore (career .211 hitter)
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DanMetroMan : 4/13/2018 2:17 pm : link
I'm not even the biggest Zack Wheeler believer but @Joelsherman1's Swihart suggestion is absurd. wRC+ of 47 last year in AAA. Hasn't shown any promise with the bat since 2015 #Mets
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DanMetroMan : 4/13/2018 2:28 pm : link
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The Mets have not spoken with the Marlins about J.T. Realmuto this week, source says.

They touched base in the offseason, but there is no sign talks went anywhere.
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steve in ky : 4/13/2018 2:41 pm : link
In comment 13912753 KWhite2250 said:
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Carlos Ruiz before looking into trades


Agreed, that's exactly what I thought Sandy might do:

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I could see Sandy bringing in a guy like Carlos Ruiz
steve in ky : 4/11/2018 9:51 pm : link : reply
just to have a veteran catcher on board
What would it cost to get  
Metnut : 4/13/2018 2:43 pm : link
Wilson Ramos asset wise? Could we just eat a lot of the salary?
Was  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2018 2:53 pm : link
just told "The Mets do not have a package that could land Realmuto, the price is extremely high, as it should be".
Don't panic  
pjcas18 : 4/13/2018 3:07 pm : link
the Mets are 2nd worst in MLB with 1.03 SB's allowed per game and an absolutely ridiculously bad (though I admit it's early/small sample) 7.7% caught stealing percent.

and that's probably only so low (SB's per game) because the Mets pitching has been good, especially the bullpen, and hasn't allowed a lot of base runners.

Just wait it out IMO.

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figgy2989 : 4/13/2018 3:24 pm : link
In comment 13913280 DanMetroMan said:
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just told "The Mets do not have a package that could land Realmuto, the price is extremely high, as it should be".


What type of package are they looking for? Itís not like he is the second coming of Johnny Bench.
RE: Don't panic  
steve in ky : 4/13/2018 3:28 pm : link
In comment 13913287 pjcas18 said:
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the Mets are 2nd worst in MLB with 1.03 SB's allowed per game and an absolutely ridiculously bad (though I admit it's early/small sample) 7.7% caught stealing percent.

and that's probably only so low (SB's per game) because the Mets pitching has been good, especially the bullpen, and hasn't allowed a lot of base runners.

Just wait it out IMO.


Besides that neither Plawecki nor TDA's bats had a lot to do with the fast start. So hopefully whomever ends up behind the plate they won't see much off a drop from the position.
Mets recalled Nimmo, Lobaton  
Defenderdawg : 4/13/2018 3:32 pm : link
díArnaud will have surgery moved to the 60 day DL

Rhame optioned to LV
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DanMetroMan : 4/13/2018 3:32 pm : link
In comment 13913303 figgy2989 said:
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just told "The Mets do not have a package that could land Realmuto, the price is extremely high, as it should be".



What type of package are they looking for? Itís not like he is the second coming of Johnny Bench.


By fWAR he's been the 2nd best C in baseball the past 2 seasons (by a good margin), 2nd in wRC+. He's signed through 2020. Price should be enormous and apparently is.
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Metnut : 4/13/2018 3:32 pm : link
In comment 13913303 figgy2989 said:
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just told "The Mets do not have a package that could land Realmuto, the price is extremely high, as it should be".



What type of package are they looking for? Itís not like he is the second coming of Johnny Bench.


Well he was worth over 7 wins the past two years and is under team control for a while, so you're getting his prime years at reasonable cost.

It looks like they've asked for an elite prospect over the summer for him (they supposedly asked Washington for Victor Roebles, who is a top 10 prospect in MLB). The Mets don't have a prospect that highly regarded. You'd probably have to make up in quantity with something like Giminez, Kay and maybe one of the reliever prospects.

Is it worth it? I'm not sure. If you can lock down a top 5 catcher for 4 years at low cost, our chances of winning a world series would go up, that's for sure. One thing to realize though is that most of his value comes from his defense. You're hoping to get an elite defensive catcher who is also a slightly above average hitter.
Lineup roster moves  
Defenderdawg : 4/13/2018 3:34 pm : link
Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
4/13/18, 3:08 PM
Loads of roster moves for the Mets. In addition to Jose Lobaton, Brandon Nimmo is back up from Las Vegas. The Mets optioned reliever Jacob Rhame to make room.

Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
4/13/18, 3:02 PM
Travis d'Arnaud has indeed decided to undergo Tommy John surgery, the Mets announced. He'll miss the rest of the 2018 season.

Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
4/13/18, 3:12 PM
Mets Game 12 of 162, vs. MIL:

Conforto CF
Cabrera 2B
Cťspedes LF
Bruce RF
GonzŠlez 1B
Frazier 3B
Rosario SS
Lobaton C
Matz LHP
For  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2018 3:34 pm : link
Context

Posey .303/.380/.447

Realmuto

.290/.337/.440

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DanMetroMan : 4/13/2018 3:35 pm : link
In comment 13913312 Metnut said:
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just told "The Mets do not have a package that could land Realmuto, the price is extremely high, as it should be".



What type of package are they looking for? Itís not like he is the second coming of Johnny Bench.



Well he was worth over 7 wins the past two years and is under team control for a while, so you're getting his prime years at reasonable cost.

It looks like they've asked for an elite prospect over the summer for him (they supposedly asked Washington for Victor Roebles, who is a top 10 prospect in MLB). The Mets don't have a prospect that highly regarded. You'd probably have to make up in quantity with something like Giminez, Kay and maybe one of the reliever prospects.

Is it worth it? I'm not sure. If you can lock down a top 5 catcher for 4 years at low cost, our chances of winning a world series would go up, that's for sure. One thing to realize though is that most of his value comes from his defense. You're hoping to get an elite defensive catcher who is also a slightly above average hitter.


I'd trade that Mets package for Robles without thinking twice.
Some of the comments here  
giantsFC : 4/13/2018 3:36 pm : link
are fucking hilarious. I'm glad I'm not the only pessimist met fan.
Jeff  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2018 3:43 pm : link
Sullivan projected Realmuto to make 27-30 million over 2018-2020

"In terms of surplus value, weíre talking tens of millions of dollars, which is what would allow the Marlins to turn him into an impressive prospect package. Itís pretty obvious that, say, the Nationals, Rockies, and Diamondbacks would be interested in adding Realmuto, and I imagine heíd also pique the interest of the Aís and the Brewers. Other teams could also jump in, if they knew Realmuto was out there. He wouldnít be just a short-term value. Heíd also be extremely affordable."
Dan,  
Metnut : 4/13/2018 3:44 pm : link
you're saying my offer doesn't get it done?
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DanMetroMan : 4/13/2018 3:47 pm : link
In comment 13913329 Metnut said:
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you're saying my offer doesn't get it done?


Mid-season and Gimenez is a top 50 prospect and Kay has 10+ starts impressing scouts maybe but right now Gimenez wasn't even on a few top 100 lists at all (and 80+ on others) and Kay has thrown 4 innings and is 23 in low-A. Most teams in baseball will be in on Realmuto so the Marlins will get a huge return. This isn't a $ saving maneuver.
Gimenez  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2018 3:48 pm : link
Baseball America
Pre-2018 #94

Baseball Prospectus
Pre-2018 #82


MLB.com
unranked

2 weeks doesn't change the perception he's a solid prospect who could become a good regular.
Modern day MLB  
Defenderdawg : 4/13/2018 3:51 pm : link
Mike Puma (@NYPost_Mets)
4/13/18, 3:49 PM
Alderson noted there are some teams that "aren't trying that hard," so trading would be a possibility this early in the season.
Mets should get Cashman  
Everyone Relax : 4/13/2018 4:25 pm : link
to negotiate with Jeter about Realmuto on our behalf. Could possibly get him for our 15th best prospect.
LV roster moves  
Defenderdawg : 4/13/2018 4:45 pm : link
Betsy Helfand (@betsyhelfand)
4/13/18, 4:23 PM
More roster moves for the 51s:
Brandon Nimmo from AAA to New York
Jose Lobaton from AAA to New York
Jacob Rhame from New York to AAA
Corey Taylor from AA to AAA
Matt Oberste activated from DL
A.J. Griffin to temporarily inactive list
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