that the Giants legitimately didn't prepare for that scenario to unfold. Same reason it HAS to be the case that the Jets have three QBs they're in love with. If they're banking on one of the browns or Giants taking a non-qb, they're morons.
lost it after 1991. Giants were a mess until Accorsi took over.
Not really true. Several of the Giants' best players in the Accorsi era were Young draftees: Strahan, Sehorn, Armstead, Toomer, Barber, Hamilton. The '90s Young drafts kept bombing in the first round but finding good players in later rounds. Young made more than a few blunders in his time but so did Accorsi. Accorsi's drafting until 2003 (when Reese started running the draft) were mostly awful.
Giants trade with Denver who jumps the Jets and prevents Buffalo, Arizona and Miami from jumping them..to grab their QB
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this might lead someone to trade up for Cleveland 4th....QBs going g 1,2,3,4.
Giants draft BPA at 5.....Barkley
That would be nice. The Browns are locked on Darnold despite the Allen noise. And I don’t see the Giants drafting Rosen or Allen at 2. Surprised they didn’t include Chubb in their scenarios.
but it is even beyond my comprehension that they were caught unprepared. Don’t assume anything. Have your top five players listed in order and take the top one left . If there is a big drop off between your value of 4 and 5, explore your trade options before draft so that you don’t panic with time ticking. If things go wrong through 4 and you took all possible steps before to get a trade and you can’t get value, take your 5 and deal with it. Life screws you sometime but at at least you optimized your chances.
that the Giants legitimately didn't prepare for that scenario to unfold. Same reason it HAS to be the case that the Jets have three QBs they're in love with. If they're banking on one of the browns or Giants taking a non-qb, they're morons.
lost it after 1991. Giants were a mess until Accorsi took over.
Not really true. Several of the Giants' best players in the Accorsi era were Young draftees: Strahan, Sehorn, Armstead, Toomer, Barber, Hamilton. The '90s Young drafts kept bombing in the first round but finding good players in later rounds. Young made more than a few blunders in his time but so did Accorsi. Accorsi's drafting until 2003 (when Reese started running the draft) were mostly awful.
You mean when Gettleman took it over.
No, he’s got it right and it’s been covered pretty well Â
that the Giants legitimately didn't prepare for that scenario to unfold. Same reason it HAS to be the case that the Jets have three QBs they're in love with. If they're banking on one of the browns or Giants taking a non-qb, they're morons.
Jets love Mayfield, Darnold, and Rosen. Probably Mayfield slightly better than the rest but who really knows. But we're getting one of 'em and they're extremely thrilled over it.
Sure enough, Johnson, Hardy, Rice and Ogden ended up going 1, 2, 3 and 4. The Giants entered the draft certain that Nebraska running back Lawrence Phillips would be picked somewhere in the top four, and perhaps even wideout Terry Glenn or tackle Willie Anderson.
If they knew enough about Glenn and Anderson to know they might be off the board at 5, then why not just take one of them? And notice they didn't list Jones as a guy who might be gone - that might have been a tip-off right there. Either Glenn or Anderson would have been a nice pick at positions of need at that time though Glenn's career went off the rails fairly early. At least they didn't take Phillps but they didn't need a RB because they thought Wheatley was going to take over.
Their plan, as poor as it may have been, was to draft Jones if their first 4 weren't there. You are telling me they went into the draft with the 5th pick and only had 4 guys they wanted to use it on and no other options? I get that player might not be a blue chip, but you still have a plan. Phillips was a huge risk and I wouldn't have drafted him regardless of talent, but the Giants were convinced he was top four vuaranteed? I don't believe it regardless of what this scout says. They just made a bad choice after the top 4 were gone.
With all the various predictions, someone will probably guess right Â
Makes little sense since it truly makes them look like fools no one had done mocks where your top four players were gone really. Then it says they did not get a great offer for the pick so they select a guy 10 or 12 slots to early. This after two guys they felt would go in the top four were still available why not draft one of them instead you draft a blind guy?
Their plan, as poor as it may have been, was to draft Jones if their first 4 weren't there. You are telling me they went into the draft with the 5th pick and only had 4 guys they wanted to use it on and no other options? I get that player might not be a blue chip, but you still have a plan. Phillips was a huge risk and I wouldn't have drafted him regardless of talent, but the Giants were convinced he was top four vuaranteed? I don't believe it regardless of what this scout says. They just made a bad choice after the top 4 were gone.
Their plan, as poor as it may have been, was to draft Jones if their first 4 weren't there. You are telling me they went into the draft with the 5th pick and only had 4 guys they wanted to use it on and no other options? I get that player might not be a blue chip, but you still have a plan. Phillips was a huge risk and I wouldn't have drafted him regardless of talent, but the Giants were convinced he was top four vuaranteed? I don't believe it regardless of what this scout says. They just made a bad choice after the top 4 were gone.
Been reported multiple times over the years that they had only vetted 4 guys and were completely unprepared for none of them to be available. Obviously they had some clue on other players but not to the usual level and had no agreed upon plan of action to handle the situation. Apparently they didn't even know that Jones was blind in one eye.
but it is even beyond my comprehension that they were caught unprepared. Don’t assume anything. Have your top five players listed in order and take the top one left . If there is a big drop off between your value of 4 and 5, explore your trade options before draft so that you don’t panic with time ticking. If things go wrong through 4 and you took all possible steps before to get a trade and you can’t get value, take your 5 and deal with it. Life screws you sometime but at at least you optimized your chances.
and he brought structure to the Giants that moved Wellington out of the way. That was the most important thing he did it that led to winning 2 Super Bowls. Unfortunately even in those first 10 years he didn't draft Reggie White when he had the chance to. After those first 10 years he did such a bad job that he's not in the HOF. Cedric Jones was just one of many horrible decisions he made in the 90's.
when they picke Cedric Jones over Terry Glenn, that was a throw the remote
My brothee in law is a huge colleg FB guy and draftnik type and he was like "Cedric Jones? Never hard of him"
Giants trade with Denver who jumps the Jets and prevents Buffalo, Arizona and Miami from jumping them..to grab their QB
.....
this might lead someone to trade up for Cleveland 4th....QBs going g 1,2,3,4.
Giants draft BPA at 5.....Barkley
Not really true. Several of the Giants' best players in the Accorsi era were Young draftees: Strahan, Sehorn, Armstead, Toomer, Barber, Hamilton. The '90s Young drafts kept bombing in the first round but finding good players in later rounds. Young made more than a few blunders in his time but so did Accorsi. Accorsi's drafting until 2003 (when Reese started running the draft) were mostly awful.
Giants trade with Denver who jumps the Jets and prevents Buffalo, Arizona and Miami from jumping them..to grab their QB
.....
this might lead someone to trade up for Cleveland 4th....QBs going g 1,2,3,4.
Giants draft BPA at 5.....Barkley
That would be nice. The Browns are locked on Darnold despite the Allen noise. And I don’t see the Giants drafting Rosen or Allen at 2. Surprised they didn’t include Chubb in their scenarios.
Yeah, Reese was asleep at the wheel that draft.
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lost it after 1991. Giants were a mess until Accorsi took over.
Not really true. Several of the Giants' best players in the Accorsi era were Young draftees: Strahan, Sehorn, Armstead, Toomer, Barber, Hamilton. The '90s Young drafts kept bombing in the first round but finding good players in later rounds. Young made more than a few blunders in his time but so did Accorsi. Accorsi's drafting until 2003 (when Reese started running the draft) were mostly awful.
You mean when Gettleman took it over.
Jets love Mayfield, Darnold, and Rosen. Probably Mayfield slightly better than the rest but who really knows. But we're getting one of 'em and they're extremely thrilled over it.
If they knew enough about Glenn and Anderson to know they might be off the board at 5, then why not just take one of them? And notice they didn't list Jones as a guy who might be gone - that might have been a tip-off right there. Either Glenn or Anderson would have been a nice pick at positions of need at that time though Glenn's career went off the rails fairly early. At least they didn't take Phillps but they didn't need a RB because they thought Wheatley was going to take over.
I agree with this.
Lol good one Greg!
Been reported multiple times over the years that they had only vetted 4 guys and were completely unprepared for none of them to be available. Obviously they had some clue on other players but not to the usual level and had no agreed upon plan of action to handle the situation. Apparently they didn't even know that Jones was blind in one eye.
Nice to see you posting.
Hope all is well.