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The Browns have to know who they are taking with 1

Thinblueline : 4/13/2018 5:23 pm
By now.. Do the Giant call them and ask? If so would the Browns disclose it? What difference does it make if They make the 1st pick known? The Rams made it known they were taking Goff and Eagles were taking Wentz..
why would the Giants be interested in moving up one spot?  
SterlingArcher : 4/13/2018 5:26 pm : link
Why take a chance on drafting the next Ryan Leak when they can stay where they are and draft an olineman who will be an All Pro for the next years.
Not saying  
Thinblueline : 4/13/2018 5:29 pm : link
They want to move up.. It'll let them decide who they will take at 2.
Highly unlikely it's  
JonC : 4/13/2018 5:33 pm : link
Nelson.
They're not taking a guard with the 2nd overall pick  
Jay on the Island : 4/13/2018 5:45 pm : link
Why would the Browns let the Giants know who they are taking?

If the Browns have a close enough grade on Allen and Darnold but a much higher grade on Barkley than Chubb will they take Allen knowing that the Giants will take Darnold at 2 allowing Barkley to fall to them at 4. Or they could take Darnold 1st overall and risk the chance that the Giants will take Barkley at 2 leaving them with Chubb at 4. What it likely comes down to is would the Browns rather have Allen and Barkley or Darnold and Chubb?
My Thoughts I shared with Jon C:  
Big Blue '56 : 4/13/2018 5:57 pm : link
If Iím the Browns, I trade for the Giants 2 and give them their 4th pick and a 2nd or 3rd. The Browns seem to have a boatload of good picks. Being able to get the QB of their choice(donít need a trade for that) AND a Barkley or Chubb at 2 could be very enticing, imv.

Maybe theyíll get who they want at 4 if they stay pat, BUT to be assured that the Giants wonít take away their second most valued choice (Chubb or Barkley) could be an inducement. If they didnít have a plethora of picks, I wouldnít even broach this.

Not predicting this will or should happen, but if Iím the Browns, Iíd do it.
RE: My Thoughts I shared with Jon C:  
Jay on the Island : 4/13/2018 6:08 pm : link
In comment 13913482 Big Blue '56 said:
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If Iím the Browns, I trade for the Giants 2 and give them their 4th pick and a 2nd or 3rd. The Browns seem to have a boatload of good picks. Being able to get the QB of their choice(donít need a trade for that) AND a Barkley or Chubb at 2 could be very enticing, imv.

Maybe theyíll get who they want at 4 if they stay pat, BUT to be assured that the Giants wonít take away their second most valued choice (Chubb or Barkley) could be an inducement. If they didnít have a plethora of picks, I wouldnít even broach this.

Not predicting this will or should happen, but if Iím the Browns, Iíd do it.

Well we know the Browns are down to Allen and Darnold at 1. We know the Jets will take a QB at 3. That leaves the Giants as the only team that might take Barkley at Chubb at 2. Now if the Browns want Allen then they know there is a great chance that the Giants will take Darnold at 2 which would then leave both Barkley and Chubb for the Browns at 4. What it comes down to is do the Browns have a much higher grade on one of Barkley and Chubb?
Makes sense of course.  
Big Blue '56 : 4/13/2018 6:10 pm : link
But what if the Giants donít want Darnold at 2 if the Browns pass on him at 1? Or any QB that high?
Why would the Browns tell the Giants?  
Mike from SI : 4/13/2018 6:10 pm : link
Seriously, what would they gain from that?
RE: why would the Giants be interested in moving up one spot?  
Big Rick in FL : 4/13/2018 6:11 pm : link
In comment 13913452 SterlingArcher said:
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Why take a chance on drafting the next Ryan Leak when they can stay where they are and draft an olineman who will be an All Pro for the next years.


Yup! Just like the Raiders passing on Rivers/Roethlisberger for the All Pro OL.
The Browns wouldn't be wholly disserved by fixing the first pick  
glowrider : 4/13/2018 6:33 pm : link
That will certainly allow them to gain more information as they're sitting at #4. Action on the second pick is pretty much on hold until #1 is locked in. #2 is definitely impacting what #4 is planning to do. #3 is pretty firmed up and irrelevant.

If they can provoke a move on #2 by either the Giants or a trade, they could get a much clearer picture of what #4 is going to look like - which is equally as important.

And if they don't gain anything out of it, they haven't lost anything either. And they can always say go screw once the clock starts.

Just a thought.
The Browns 1st pick  
csh2z : 4/13/2018 6:48 pm : link
requires no strategy, they just pick the player they want most. But the only way they can guarantee who their next pick will be is by trading up to 2. Barkley, Chubb or Nelson would be the most probable choices. If all 3 are rated the same and all 3 are needed, they stay at 4. But if one of them is really, really important for them to get, they have to trade up or take their chances.
The Giants are on the clock, the Browns need to answer this question, "How bad do you want him?".
The browns are taking Darnold  
DavidinBMNY : 4/13/2018 6:49 pm : link
And if they don't we are running up to the podium to take him.
RE: The Browns 1st pick  
Big Blue '56 : 4/13/2018 7:06 pm : link
In comment 13913513 csh2z said:
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requires no strategy, they just pick the player they want most. But the only way they can guarantee who their next pick will be is by trading up to 2. Barkley, Chubb or Nelson would be the most probable choices. If all 3 are rated the same and all 3 are needed, they stay at 4. But if one of them is really, really important for them to get, they have to trade up or take their chances.
The Giants are on the clock, the Browns need to answer this question, "How bad do you want him?".


Yup, my major point
RE: Why would the Browns tell the Giants?  
GoDeep13 : 4/13/2018 7:28 pm : link
In comment 13913493 Mike from SI said:
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Seriously, what would they gain from that?
what would they lose?
If I'm the Browns  
David B. : 4/13/2018 7:30 pm : link
I'm taking phone calls while I'm on the clock before I decide anything.
RE: RE: Why would the Browns tell the Giants?  
kelsto811 : 4/13/2018 7:33 pm : link
In comment 13913542 GoDeep13 said:
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Seriously, what would they gain from that?

what would they lose?


For 1 they provide an advantage to another team. Wouldn't you think it's an advantage if you know for sure who is available at 2?
RE: The browns are taking Darnold  
fanofthejets : 4/13/2018 8:06 pm : link
In comment 13913514 DavidinBMNY said:
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And if they don't we are running up to the podium to take him.


And if they do take him you should still run to the podium for Rosen.
RE: RE: The browns are taking Darnold  
GFAN52 : 4/13/2018 8:15 pm : link
In comment 13913574 fanofthejets said:
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And if they don't we are running up to the podium to take him.



And if they do take him you should still run to the podium for Rosen.


Why run?
RE: Not saying  
steve in ky : 4/13/2018 8:20 pm : link
In comment 13913457 Thinblueline said:
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They want to move up.. It'll let them decide who they will take at 2.


What possible benefit could there be for the Browns in disclosing that info? I doubt the Giants would call and ask, but doubt even more that the Browns would offer the Giants the answer. How do they not know they Giants aren't in love with a different player and would possibly trade up to ensure getting him, why tell them they aren't drafting him?
RE: RE: RE: The browns are taking Darnold  
fanofthejets : 4/13/2018 8:36 pm : link
In comment 13913579 GFAN52 said:
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In comment 13913574 fanofthejets said:


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In comment 13913514 DavidinBMNY said:


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And if they don't we are running up to the podium to take him.



And if they do take him you should still run to the podium for Rosen.



Why run?


Nothing wrong with getting some cardio in
RE: If I'm the Browns  
Rjanyg : 4/13/2018 9:01 pm : link
In comment 13913545 David B. said:
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I'm taking phone calls while I'm on the clock before I decide anything.


Why would the Browns trade out of the 1st pick? They are 1-31 the last 2 years. If they can get the right QB for your team with the first pick with 4 1st round QB's, this team is doomed.

A ton of high picks this year should finally make Cleveland relevant.
why would the Browns  
fkap : 4/13/2018 9:36 pm : link
wait til they're on the clock to make a deal? Nothing is going to change between now and then. Maybe it would be in their interest to not announce it til the opening bell. It always annoys impatient me when the first team takes the entire time to make the pick. maybe a team will blink/cave at the last second, but realistically, all phone calls have been made before draft day arrives.
RE: RE: The browns are taking Darnold  
Optimus-NY : 4/13/2018 10:02 pm : link
In comment 13913574 fanofthejets said:
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In comment 13913514 DavidinBMNY said:


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And if they don't we are running up to the podium to take him.



And if they do take him you should still run to the podium for Rosen.


I agree.
Browns  
Dragon : 4/13/2018 10:54 pm : link
Should be in the final stage of picking there guy somewhere between the 20th to 24th the world will have an 85% percent idea who he is. Thatís normally how it works everything else we are reading and hearing about is just BS to keep you interested. From all accounts itís Darnold or Allen pretty sure the entire world knows that so now just comes the final decision.
RE: RE: The browns are taking Darnold  
ThatLimerickGuy : 4/13/2018 11:49 pm : link
In comment 13913574 fanofthejets said:
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In comment 13913514 DavidinBMNY said:


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And if they don't we are running up to the podium to take him.



And if they do take him you should still run to the podium for Rosen.


Just don't let Rosen run to the podium. If he trips before he gets there and gets one more injury his career could be over within seconds of being picked.
RE: Browns  
Optimus-NY : 4/14/2018 12:04 am : link
In comment 13913724 Dragon said:
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Should be in the final stage of picking there guy somewhere between the 20th to 24th the world will have an 85% percent idea who he is. Thatís normally how it works everything else we are reading and hearing about is just BS to keep you interested. From all accounts itís Darnold or Allen pretty sure the entire world knows that so now just comes the final decision.


This
RE: Why would the Browns tell the Giants?  
BigBlue4You09 : 4/14/2018 12:09 am : link
In comment 13913493 Mike from SI said:
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Seriously, what would they gain from that?


Only if the Giants in good faith say what they would do at 2 would it make sense.
Of course they wouldn't divulge that  
Mike from Ohio : 4/14/2018 12:58 pm : link
why would they? What if something happens between now and draft day and they change their mind? Do they need to call the Giants a tell them?

And what is the upside to telling them? So the Giants have more time to think about it? It's all downside and no upside for them, so no they wouldn't.
DG:"So, John, who are you taking #1?"  
Doomster : 4/14/2018 1:19 pm : link
John:"Dave, who are you taking #2?"

DG:"Well, that depends on who you are taking #1!"

John:"Well, that depends on who you are taking #2!"

DG:"Bye, John."

John:"Bye, Dave."
The Top Three Picks Will Be QBs...  
Jim in Tampa : 4/14/2018 3:14 pm : link
That means that the Browns will be able to choose the top QB at 1 and the top non-QB at 4.

There's no reason for them to trade up to 2 or to tell any team who they're picking at 1.
Aren't the Browns allowed to start talks with the player they want?  
81_Great_Dane : 4/14/2018 5:19 pm : link
In 2006, Mario Williams signed a contract as the #1 overall pick before the draft started. Have the rules changed? If not, when can the Browns start talks?

You wouldn't want to sign the contract until the night before or morning of the draft, because something could happen do the guy, but IIRC the word was out in advance that the Texans were passing on Reggie Bush to draft Williams. (Most of the world thought they were nuts.)
RE: Aren't the Browns allowed to start talks with the player they want?  
Jim in Tampa : 4/14/2018 6:27 pm : link
In comment 13914203 81_Great_Dane said:
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In 2006, Mario Williams signed a contract as the #1 overall pick before the draft started. Have the rules changed? If not, when can the Browns start talks?

You wouldn't want to sign the contract until the night before or morning of the draft, because something could happen do the guy, but IIRC the word was out in advance that the Texans were passing on Reggie Bush to draft Williams. (Most of the world thought they were nuts.)


I think you can still do that, but now with draftees being "slotted" (salary-wise) there's less of a reason to do so.

Back in the day a team with the first pick wanted to make sure that the player was sign-able and wouldn't hold out.
RE: The Browns wouldn't be wholly disserved by fixing the first pick  
OntheRoad : 4/14/2018 8:40 pm : link
In comment 13913502 glowrider said:
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...Just a thought.


That is a good thought, but I'm not sure the Raiders are that smart.
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