It still does not appear likely the Giants will take a quarterback, at least not with the No. 2 pick.
The Giants view Saquon Barkley as a near-perfect prospect. They think hes a better player than Ezekiel Elliott, who went No. 4 to the Cowboys in 2016.
There is no doubt North Carolina State defensive end Bradley Chubb is in the mix...
Quenton Nelson will not be the pick at No. 2. This is not because the Giants have any reservations with the player they do not but it is a matter of positional value. The second-overall pick is too high to take a guard. The Giants do not view Nelson as a viable option to move outside to tackle. If they trade down (this is unlikely), moving to No. 5 to give the Broncos the No. 2 pick, then Nelson makes sense...
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What I find interesting is that we really hold the cards to the draft. If one team really covets one quarterback more than the rest and Cleveland doesn't take that quarterback, that team might move heaven and earth to get ahead of the jets.
Nobody knows for sure what we are going to do, we can take so many different routes. We can draft a quarterback, draft Barkley or Chubb. Trade out to a team that wants a quarterback. All of it is in play.
Draft can't get here soon enough
What I find interesting is that we really hold the cards to the draft. If one team really covets one quarterback more than the rest and Cleveland doesn't take that quarterback, that team might move heaven and earth to get ahead of the jets.
Nobody knows for sure what we are going to do, we can take so many different routes. We can draft a quarterback, draft Barkley or Chubb. Trade out to a team that wants a quarterback. All of it is in play.
Draft can't get here soon enough
Uh, no. The team with the #1 and #4 picks really holds the cards to the draft.
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Has it right with the giants thinking. It could be one really big smokescreen or it could be true. We will find out soon enough.
What I find interesting is that we really hold the cards to the draft. If one team really covets one quarterback more than the rest and Cleveland doesn't take that quarterback, that team might move heaven and earth to get ahead of the jets.
Nobody knows for sure what we are going to do, we can take so many different routes. We can draft a quarterback, draft Barkley or Chubb. Trade out to a team that wants a quarterback. All of it is in play.
Draft can't get here soon enough
Uh, no. The team with the #1 and #4 picks really holds the cards to the draft.
The browns are expected to take a quarterback 1st overall. The jets are taking one 3rd overall. We are right in the middle with teams who may see the quarterback they rated highest sitting there.
What we do or don't do impacts the draft and what team's do
yard gains. Few NFL games are decided by long runs.
Thats it. And Barkley could be potentially had via a slight trade down with Jets or Broncos(if Browns don't take Bark-man).
RBs like Barkley dont ever hit FA until its too late. We can upgrade Guard any off season we choose. Im taking the dynamic playmaker over a Guard any chance I get.
True to you're name....quite 👍.
4,5,6 and even 7 has the potential to end up with one of those three. Although 7 would obviously require 4 QB's to go.
Jets going QB at 3.
Cleveland gets Barkley at 4. Only way is to convince them WE are definitely taking Barkley unless they buy us out of the spot.
If you are dying for Reggie Bush I am sure there is someone to be had later in the draft.
...99.99% of all BBIers already know this shit.
If this is true about passing in a QB, I sure hope its for Barkley. I dont see that kind of impact from the others.
This isn't a one night stand. It is a marriage. You don't mess around with QB. You take your guy.
If you are dying for Reggie Bush I am sure there is someone to be had later in the draft.
Well, this is it. He couldn't run for 60 against Rutgers or indiana, he sucks, he will never improve or have better games. All of the team scouts and draft experts should just go look for another job, because obviously they can't evaluate talent. I mean don't they know that what you do statistically against indiana and Rutgers is the barometer of talent.
Who cares if you are fast, who cares if you can help pass protect and who cares if you have elusiveness. None of that matters, all that matters is 2 Damn dames against indiana and Rutgers.
Thanks homer, we can all be experts now
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Only one way for Cleveland to secure Barkley for sure, and that's #1. I wouldn't discount it. They can get another great player including QB at 4.
This isn't a one night stand. It is a marriage. You don't mess around with QB. You take your guy.
Why are so many Giants fans ready for him at #2?
Of course the Giants LOVE Barkley. Who doesn't? But nobody, repeat nobody, knows what will happen.
In this order of likelihood, I still think it's:
Darnold.
Trade down.
Barkley.
I do agree with Schwartz that Webb is not a factor about whether they draft a QB.
If you would suggest not taking a QB until one with no flaws comes along, what would you sipuggest for the intervening 100 years or so?
If they don't pick a QB this year and are confident that they are assembling a competitive team, they won't be in a position to pick high again for at least 2 years. That means they will wait until Eli retires and roll his contract into a huge offer for a Free Agent QB, that will make Cousins' deal look like chump change. So on Friday, April 27, start looking at QB free agents in 2020 and 2021.
Those who say no one has a clue have been missing the constant theme for well over the past month: the Giants are going to take Barkley or Chubb with the #2 pick.
We'll see what goes down on draft day, but this is the storyline.
Those who say no one has a clue have been missing the constant theme for well over the past month: the Giants are going to take Barkley or Chubb with the #2 pick.
We'll see what goes down on draft day, but this is the storyline.
Eric - I think that's definitely valid, but no one, even those who have historically been somewhat reputable, have consistently demonstrated access to info since Gettleman took over.
That doesn't mean it won't be Barkley or Chubb - clearly those are two of the best players in the draft and would be easy to identify as candidates even without inside info - but I really don't think any info is reputable, especially this close to the draft. In fact, it's just as likely to be purposeful as it is to be accurate.
One thing you're 100% correct on though... we'll see what goes down on draft day.
How much consistent information can anyone have when gettleman hasn't even been here for 6 months. We all know the 2 hackjobs writeres at the daily news never know anything, but Paul schwartz does not have a track record of writing BS. Even in this article, he is not stating anything as fact. It is best guess work, which is what most of us are doing.
Every year I hear the "smokescreen" argument, but more often it seems as if Vacciano, Scwhartz, Garafolo, etc. have a pretty good idea of the team's thinking.
That all said, it could be different this year. If we take a QB, in my mind, they did a great job of misdirection.
A) Barkley
B) Rosen/Darnold
C) Trade down
I am going with C
Every year I hear the "smokescreen" argument, but more often it seems as if Vacciano, Scwhartz, Garafolo, etc. have a pretty good idea of the team's thinking.
That all said, it could be different this year. If we take a QB, in my mind, they did a great job of misdirection.
Only Schwartz has been steadfast about the Giants not drafting a QB. Raanan thinks it's Darnold if he's there or Barkley with Rosen as a dark horse. He has said before he does not think they like Chubb enough to take at 2.
Vacchiano has said Darnold if he's there, and then he thinks Chubb if he had to guess but wouldn't count out Rosen either. Schwartz has historically been far less reputable than either one of those two, he just happens to repeat himself over and over again so it can seem like that's all the noise coming out of east rutherford.
It's extremely difficult to tell who actually has sources and who's just repeating what others say in the hopes of claiming some of the credit. My best guess is that Raanan and Vacchiano hear things, Garafalo too but doesn't share much but most of what we hear is pure speculation based on DG's public comments. I'd expect that to change as we get closer to the draft but it's 2 weeks out still.
Also worth mentioning all of those guys totally whiffed last year. Hitdog was the only person I'd seen even mention Engram as someone the Giants liked. Maybe I missed it but I haven't seen him chime in at all this year other than to say that the Giants do like Chubb (responding to a poster calling it a smokescreen)
This is also a very unique situation. Picking at #2 doesnt happen often to quality organizations. Secondly, this is a unique draft in which there are 3-4 QBs multiple teams believe have franchise ability. That makes our real estate very valuable. If we have a conviction on one of them and we dont think Webb is the heir apparent then we should ineqivocably stay at #2 and take one. If not someone will pay us higher value for that #2 spot then what we would pick there (unless we truly think Barkley is the next Barry Sanders with Marshall Faulk receiving ability).
So a trade down very likely maximizes value if you are not going QB.
Yup.
If you are dying for Reggie Bush I am sure there is someone to be had later in the draft.
How did Fournette do against Bama? Worse than Barkley did in the games you mentioned yet he's still a great back. Sure Bama has a lot better D than Rutgers or Indiana but the point remains the same. A team can sell out to stop any RB but it doesn't make that back a bad player.
Oh and Barkley did score two TDs in that game vs OSU so not a bad day overall. I'd take two TD's on a bad day anytime.
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Only one way for Cleveland to secure Barkley for sure, and that's #1. I wouldn't discount it. They can get another great player including QB at 4.
This isn't a one night stand. It is a marriage. You don't mess around with QB. You take your guy.
Not saying this is the case, but if Cleveland has nearly equal grades on at least 3 QBs they may employ the strategy hes suggesting.
If you are dying for Reggie Bush I am sure there is someone to be had later in the draft.
This ..
A) Barkley
B) Rosen/Darnold
C) Trade down
I am going with C
Sy, why aren't you thinking Chubb is an option?
I think this is more likely than people think...
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3 options on what will happen
A) Barkley
B) Rosen/Darnold
C) Trade down
I am going with C
Sy, why aren't you thinking Chubb is an option?
If I had option D, sure